Oda Eiichiro vs. Hirohiko Araki [Archive]

Dio Brando

01-20-2008, 10:22 AM

Aokiji

01-20-2008, 10:31 AM

There should be enough people who've read both OP and Jojo here...

Anyways onto the questions:

1. Who is a better artist?

2. Who is a better writer?

3. Who is more creative?

Feel free to add your own comments/questions and whatnot.

1. Oda.

2. Not sure.

3. Araki by a margin. He manages to be creative while mantaining a non-goofy exterior. Also, he's been doing it for 90+ volumes. Then there's the fact, that he doesn't serve shonen cliches.

Dio Brando

01-20-2008, 10:52 AM

1. Oda.

2. Not sure.
What is it about Oda's art that makes you say it so obviously? Is it consistency or something else?
3. Araki by a margin. He manages to be creative while mantaining a non-goofy exterior. Does that really matter? Goofy or not, creativity is creativity. Also, he's been doing it for 90+ volumes. Then there's the fact, that he doesn't serve shonen cliches.Araki does have a 10 or so year headstart. But Oda has what 45+ volumes?
Araki does do shonen cliches, the difference is that his 'inspiration' comes mostly from Fist of the North Star whereas Oda gets his from Dragon Ball.

Aokiji

01-20-2008, 11:04 AM

What is it about Oda's art that makes you say it so obviously? Is it consistency or something else?
Does that really matter? Goofy or not, creativity is creativity. Araki does have a 10 or so year headstart. But Oda has what 45+ volumes?
Araki does do shonen cliches, the difference is that his 'inspiration' comes mostly from Fist of the North Star whereas Oda gets his from Dragon Ball.

Oda's art is damn impressive. Araki's art is good, but I#ve yet to see something like this in JJBA: http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000290/06-07.jpg

3. Actually, it's harder to be creative with Araki's style. That guy thinks of abilities and fights that make you go "WTF?!". I think it's harder to create original designs like Araki than those of Oda, IMO.

The characters of OP fit more into the shonen cliche, while it's hard to put JJBA into cliches. And how is JJBA a hommage at FotNS? I never understood that.

Dio Brando

01-20-2008, 11:16 AM

Oda's art is damn impressive. Araki's art is good, but I#ve yet to see something like this in JJBA: http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000290/06-07.jpg
If I were at my pc I'd find something to show.... I'm actually a big fan of Steel Ball Run's artwork (I don't know if you're there yet) and I find watching Araki's change in artwork, fascinating.
3. Actually, it's harder to be creative with Araki's style. That guy thinks of abilities and fights that make you go "WTF?!". I think it's harder to create original designs like Araki than those of Oda, IMO.
That may be true, but Araki does occasionally fall into copying himself sometimes. I understand that most main characters have similar stands for certain reasons, but why is there almost always somebody with a gun stand? Or King Crimson is just a poor man's Za Warudo.
The characters of OP fit more into the shonen cliche, while it's hard to put JJBA into cliches. And how is JJBA a hommage at FotNS? I never understood that.

First of all there is ORA/MUDA and ATATA comparison of many punches. But (especially in parts 1 and 2) the overall style and structure is quite similar. (dramatic deaths that help the hero to advance is another)

Aokiji

01-20-2008, 11:24 AM

If I were at my pc I'd find something to show.... I'm actually a big fan of Steel Ball Run's artwork (I don't know if you're there yet) and I find watching Araki's change in artwork, fascinating.

No, I'm still reading Diamond is unbreakable. :amuse

First of all there is ORA/MUDA and ATATA comparison of many punches. But (especially in parts 1 and 2) the overall style and structure is quite similar. (dramatic deaths that help the hero to advance is another)

I thought about the punches, too, but I think the deaths are common in any manga.

Sylar

01-20-2008, 11:28 AM

1. Oda just bcause of Araki pulling off that sexchange on Jolyne in Stone Ocean.

2. Araki simply for writing 90+ volumes consistantly.

3. Araki again due to being creative for 90 volumes.

MdB

01-20-2008, 11:36 AM

I still need to read more of JJBA before I can give my opinion.

Oda's art is damn impressive. Araki's art is good, but I#ve yet to see something like this in JJBA: http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000290/06-07.jpg

I saw even better artwork from Oda *cough* Water 7, Enies Lobby and especially Thriller Bark *cough*.

Aokiji

01-20-2008, 11:37 AM

I still need to read more of JJBA before I can give my opinion.

I saw even better artwork from Oda *cough* Water 7, Enies Lobby and especially Thriller Bark *cough*.

It's the last thing I remembered. :dupe

Dio Brando

01-20-2008, 11:38 AM

No, I'm still reading Diamond is unbreakable. :amuse

I thought about the punches, too, but I think the deaths are common in any manga.
Yes, but it was HnK that made it popular, especially in how the ally dies and that death is what drives the protagonist forward just enough to beat the final villain. And Araki did admit to being a huge fan of HnK.
1. Oda just bcause of Araki pulling off that sexchange on Jolyne in Stone Ocean.
lol
2. Araki simply for writing 90+ volumes consistantly.
Abdul's two deaths? GER? D'Arby crappy brother? Araki does do plotholes and errors as well.
3. Araki again due to being creative for 90 volumes.
Again, Oda hasn't had the time to do 90 but he's about halfway there and hasn't shown signs of faltering.

Xell

01-20-2008, 12:06 PM

I don't think you can compare the two. Their styles are so different.

Ryu19

01-20-2008, 02:42 PM

I consider them equal as the two are my tied as my second favorite mankaga's.

Tash

01-20-2008, 07:44 PM

There should be enough people who've read both OP and Jojo here...

Anyways onto the questions:

1. Who is a better artist?

2. Who is a better writer?

3. Who is more creative?

Feel free to add your own comments/questions and whatnot.

1. Araki, his art shines more in parts 1,2, and the very beginning of 3, but when it does it's more impressive than Oda. Though his landscape scenes like Enies Lobby are impressive as well.

2. Araki has managed to intertwine 7 storylines that each somehow relate to each other and yet have an individual plotline. Oda's arcs tend to be a bit more random.

3. Araki hands down for this one, rarely will you find a cliche in Jojo. Even the classic elementals are done with a new spin, and some abilities just make you go, "what the fuck?" like Sticky Fingers. Not to mention how he has warped your average vampire into something much more interesting than a dracula story. My personal favorite in terms of originality being a tie between a character that effectively uses bubbles as a weapon, and a character who causes so much trouble with the ability to seal things in paper. Not to mention the various animal regulars.

Sylar

01-20-2008, 08:16 PM

*snip*

I agree Oda is very impressive but mangakas CAN decline rapidly for no reason (see Togashi).

For now until he hits about 50 or 60 volumes he won't be as impressive as mangakas like Araki or Morikawa who can go on for 70+ volumes and be consistantly excellent.

The Faint Smile

01-20-2008, 08:22 PM

I honestly have to go with Araki for all three. He's had some brilliant drawings, memorable amazing characters, and literally dozens(maybe a hundred?) unique powers with all the stands and ripple users and pillar men etc.

He's truly an amazing author.

Oh, watch me blow away Aokiji's picture:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8708/jojov06c53p010011ch9.png
Only bad thing is the weird poses and overly buff people early on...Still rocks though.

Darts

01-20-2008, 09:28 PM

4 was pretty bad. Awesome villain, but yea stopped right after finishing.
The structure gets a little bit old also.

The Faint Smile

01-20-2008, 09:32 PM

Part 5 was my favorite of the stand sections, you should have kept going.

Actually most of his crew end up being really awesome. Not just that though, some of the best enemy stands are in part 5. The pace is also fantastic...I tore through those chapters. Weakest point is the main villain, but he's not bad himself, just a little underdeveloped with all the other awesomeness happening around him.

Darts

01-20-2008, 09:39 PM

Actually, I think I read 2 volumes.
I love how the main character is the son of you know who.
I just hate the "allies" in the gang. Seems filler to me.
And Araki nerfing Jotaro and Joseph after every arc=;((

The Faint Smile

01-20-2008, 10:09 PM

I almost forgot to mention...Giorno>Everyone and everything, as a character and in a fight.

AbnormallyNormal

01-20-2008, 11:34 PM

1. araki

2. oda

3. araki/tie

Graham Aker

01-21-2008, 12:15 AM

1. Who is a better artist?
Oda(backgrounds) Araki(characters, especially in the later Parts)
final verdict: tie

2. Who is a better writer?
Oda

3. Who is more creative?
tie

'REDHAIRED' SHANKS

01-22-2008, 02:35 AM

i've just started JJBA ..... I loved Oda's artwork ....

I second the panel Aokiji pointed out. Is there anything from Araki which can match it ?? I am just curious lol

I think Oda is gonna be creative for 90 volumes lol XD

Aokiji

01-22-2008, 08:20 PM

Dio Brando

01-23-2008, 07:34 PM

^I forgot about this thread.

from this
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1497/jojov04c36p014015rh1.png (http://imageshack.us)

to this
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6127/d0141rotated511nd8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lucifer

01-24-2008, 04:38 AM

1. Who is a better artist?

easily Araki, I luv crazy style

2. Who is a better writer?

Oda

3. Who is more creative?

they were really good, but I'd chosen Araki

btw, jojo part 5 and 7 was my favorite

Endless Mike

02-27-2008, 01:06 PM

Who is the better mangaka?

Zetta

02-27-2008, 01:10 PM

One Piece vs JoJo...

Well,Araki has always had a problem with disproportionates. His heads are often too small for the bodies he draws. I mean,just look at Part 3 Dio. This works better on some characters than others.

Oda has a very...unique style. He always thinks up very unique characters compared to Araki.

I'dd give it to Oda based on the uniqueness but this is very close.

Kamen Rider Ryoma

02-27-2008, 01:14 PM

Well,Araki has always had a problem with disproportionates. His heads are often too small for the bodies he draws. I mean,just look at Part 3 Dio.

Well, Dio can be kinda excused. It's not like it's his own body. Don't forget that it belonged to Jonathan Joestar and that guy was huge.

Timur Lane

02-27-2008, 01:23 PM

Damn, I really can't choose who I like best (they are probably my two favorite mangakas)

I appluad them both for being batshit crazy though (Oda with his weird characters and Araki with the weird powers he give to the characters)

Kazuma the Shell Bullet

02-27-2008, 01:46 PM

They are both great, but I prefer Araki overall.

Oda has a few really retarded character designs (Foxy, Mr. 2, etc.) and shitty muscle work. JJBA's only art flaw is the occaisonal body:head disproportion (and it hasn't really appeared since Part 3)

I also think JJBA has the more creative abilities and battle system

Elijah Snow

02-27-2008, 01:51 PM

In terms of art: I personally have always preffered Oda, but SBR era Araki edges out this one with more detailed art

In terms of writting: Both are different enough for me to like them equally.

Quite honestly I can't really decide, I might very slightly prefer Araki though.

Dio Brando

02-27-2008, 02:09 PM

I did this once and it got moved to KL2

OT: Araki. But he has the advantage of being roughly 10 years ahead of Oda and that his 'masterpiece' consists of smaller stories that have been resolved. His fluctuating artwork annoys some but I think they go with the times (in the 80's we had Rambo, now we have Jason Bourne). People may underestimate some of the art (especially part 3 and 4) because only LQ scanlations are available too. Also deserving mention is that he draws very abstract things compared to most mangaka, such as all the weird posing or some of the stands abilities.

That said Oda is great and he certainly knows when to drops bits and pieces of information at the right time. All while maintaining a balance of action, drama and comedy. His art style is also unique (in fact his style reminds me of Osamu Tezuka sometimes, which is a good thing.) and he does seem to do better and better as he picks up more experience. But for now, I think Araki has too much on him.

Taleran

02-27-2008, 02:11 PM

he also has the advantage of not aging

neodragzero

02-27-2008, 03:06 PM

I just barely edge over to Oda. That's in good part to the quality of his work and the fact that I've still haven't been able to reading the series, Part 6, that leads into Steel Ball Run.

Kamen Rider Ryoma

02-27-2008, 03:13 PM

hat I've still haven't been able to reading the series, Part 6, that leads into Steel Ball Run.

:oh Part 6 doesn't lead into Steel Ball Run. SBR is set over a hundred years in the past in an alternate timeline.

Timur Lane

02-27-2008, 03:14 PM

:oh Part 6 doesn't lead into Steel Ball Run. SBR is set over a hundred years in the past in an alternate timeline.

Yes, but it's because of the actions of Pucci that SBR even came into existance(tried to rewrite reality, but he was killed halfway in the process).

Kamen Rider Ryoma

02-27-2008, 03:16 PM

Yes, but it's because of the actions of Pucci that SBR even came into existance(tried to rewrite reality, but he was killed halfway in the process).

:huh Really? I didn't know that... So what happened to the old universe?

Taleran

02-27-2008, 03:18 PM

BOOM BANG SMASH

Timur Lane

02-27-2008, 03:19 PM

:huh Really? I didn't know that... So what happened to the old universe?

It got destroyed, but all the guys from the current universe got reborn in the new one.
The alternate universe(this new one) has strinkingly many similiaritys to the old universe, but there are still some difference(like Diego Brando)

Hmm, probably a little to spoilerish for some people this?

Lucifer

02-27-2008, 03:40 PM

I like hirohiko more than oda

because SBR is seinen :dupe

Magenda Magenda FTW
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3374/13157os0.jpg

Taleran

02-27-2008, 03:44 PM

I like hirohiko more than oda

because SBR is seinen :dupe

thats a pretty rediculous reason to like something more than something else

Xell

02-27-2008, 04:09 PM

There should be enough people who've read both OP and Jojo here...

Anyways onto the questions:

1. Who is a better artist?

2. Who is a better writer?

3. Who is more creative?

Feel free to add your own comments/questions and whatnot.

1. Different styles which can't be compared. But I'll say I prefer Araki's.

2. No comment.

3. Definitely Araki. He's got over 90 volumes and still going strong with new ideas. It's amazing.