Black Cat

[Kira Yamato]

Well just download the sub when it comes out.
Why's that in spoilers anyway?


It should be out sometime tommorrow night ^_^

and the comment had to do with something that happened in episode 16 and how could you see 15 episodes and not know his name :notrust

[Chamcham Trigger]

Who the guy with the stupid hat and glasses? Or the stupid doctor that shot Train to turn him into a kid?

[Kira Yamato]

Who the guy with the stupid hat and glasses? Or the stupid doctor that shot Train to turn him into a kid?


If you mean in the intro.

The guy with the stupid glasses is Chronos Member #10

He is the master of disguise and can pretend to look like anyone. And the Doctor is another member of the apostle of stars who has a pretty cool ability that he hasn't shown yet, but I won't tell you just yet :spaz

[Chamcham Trigger]

No I was asking whose name you were asking about that I didn't know by episode 15? You and Cup already know that I suck with names.

[Kira Yamato]

No I was asking whose name you were asking about that I didn't know by episode 15? You and Cup already know that I suck with names.


episode 15? will the only person with glasses there was the Doctor and that's just his name :amuse

You'll find out more about him in the upcoming episodes ^_^

[Chamcham Trigger]

Oh ok, but there's another guy with glasses and a stupid hat. The guy that quit Star of heaven, or whatever the organization's called.

[Kira Yamato]

Oh ok, but there's another guy with glasses and a stupid hat. The guy that quit Star of heaven, or whatever the organization's called.

oh...you meant Charden. Yeah, he left with Kyouko. Where he is currently is even a mystery of us manga readers :oh

[Kusajishi]

Lol to bad, he seems like a cool guy and I would like to see more of him but yeah=/

[cupnoodles]

man, ep 14 sucked big time -____-;;

[Chamcham Trigger]

lol leave it to Cup to be as blunt as possible :laugh

[Kira Yamato]

man, ep 14 sucked big time -____-;;


why, because you're not a fan of Chibi Train. It was a pretty nice episode. Sure, it doesn't match up to episode 12, but that doesn't mean it was bad. And is it me or did Train turn back to normal? :S

[cupnoodles]

i'm a fan of chibi train. when did i say i hate him? i like it. i just like my neko train shooting cats out of his gun more >_>
but that's not why. i hate it. i hate ep 14. it was horrible. terrible. boring. dreadful.
stupid leon brat = don't give a damn
stupid other brat = don't give a damn
stupid girl with glasses = don't give a damn
stupid thugs coupled with more stupid nameless thugs = don't give a damn
stupid 2-5 yr old kiddies = don't give a damn

no creed, no sephiria, no echidna, no uber cool ownage, nothing!!!

[Kira Yamato]

You could have put some of that in spoiler tags, plus it's way different from the manga. And explains a bit more about Leon. I think it's a bit refreshing to see a different perspective :amuse

[cupnoodles]

spoiler tag for what? you can't make anything out of it :noworry
they were all shown in the ep preview anyways :notrust

and like hell i care about leon and his past with those other ppl. they can shred him up limb by limb for all i care. in fact you know what? i hope creed kills him that way. feed him to imagine blade lvl 2.

[Chamcham Trigger]

Awww man. There's gonna be a bunch of stupid kids in the episode? I hate kids. Eve is an exception.

[Kira Yamato]

spoiler tag for what? you can't make anything out of it :noworry
they were all shown in the ep preview anyways :notrust

and like hell i care about leon and his past with those other ppl. they can shred him up limb by limb for all i care. in fact you know what? i hope creed kills him that way. feed him to imagine blade lvl 2.


Creed will ahve his hands full with Train in the final confrontation. And if Leon had any sense he would have left after his fight with Eve. Cuppie you're way to violent for your own good :oh

and no, not all of it was in the preview

[Chamcham Trigger]

Arg. Stop with the spoiler tags. I'm getting claustroaphobic :arg

[cupnoodles]

i watch black cat for the action and the pwnage that train displays. not a bunch of kiddies crying and whining. i dont care about leon's catfight with eve, i don't care about him being a part of the apostles, i don't care for his very existence. it's a plague to the story..

and it was all in the preview. the kiddies, the brats, a pic of leon, the thugs. everything.


yes humpy. ep 14 sucks like hell. i'm not even gonna bother getting the subs. not worth it :noworry

[Kira Yamato]

i watch black cat for the action and the pwnage that train displays. not a bunch of kiddies crying and whining

and it was all in the preview. the kiddies, the brats, a pic of leon, the thugs. everything.


yes humpy. ep 14 sucks like hell. i'm not even gonna bother getting the subs. not worth it :noworry


I watch Black cat for storyline and character development as well as action. I'm not as one-dimensional as you cuppie V_V

I plan to watch the subs because it's hard to understand Train as a chacracter without understanding what happened to him.

[cupnoodles]

nothing happened to him. don't you understand? the stupid kid wanted train to help them fight off those adults cuz train's all uber. train says no. eve convinces him because she can relate to them and wants to help them. big ol' meanies came, train kicks their ass, and that's the end of it. leon was obviously one of midget leaders whom they all looked up to, but left them for the apostles. who needs subs?
leon's gay.
as for train's past...that was pretty much exactly the same as the manga. so you should've understood quite well.

[Kira Yamato]

nothing happened to him. don't you understand? the stupid kid wanted train to help them fight off those adults cuz train's all uber. train says no. eve convinces him because she can relate to them and wants to help them. big ol' meanies came, train kicks their ass, and that's the end of it. leon was obviously one of midget leaders whom they all looked up to, but left them for the apostles. who needs subs?
leon's gay.


What makes you think Leon might have not been related to one of those kids. Maybe you didn't pick that up because it's a Raw and not a Sub :yell

Plus I want to see what Train was exactly saying in his flashbacks and how it compares to the manga :noworry

lol...Leon's gay from watching raw? XD Now I know you definetly need to see the sub

[Chamcham Trigger]

So basically this episode has little relevance to the overall story besides a quick flashback?

[Kira Yamato]

So basically this episode has little relevance to the overall story besides a quick flashback?


It's basically why Train became the person he is today. And through dealing with the boy he got to see parts of himself that he hadn't acknowledge himself. Plus it wasn't a quick flashback.

[cupnoodles]

this ep means jack shit.
don't listen to kira. he's always defending everything when it comes to an anime :noworry
the only reason you should bother watching it is for the 2 mins of train's past.
the other stuff is as important as dust in the wind. they're better not existing at all.

[Kira Yamato]

^You're always negative cuppy. You need to expand your horizons instead of being so self-centered :shakefist

The episode was pretty good and of course gave me plenty of gif opportunities unlike some episodes. I can name worse episodes than that, so don't go around dramatizing anything just because I happened to like it.

[cupnoodles]

you're getting me all wrong. i hate it because i hate it. not because you like it :noworry

i'm just train-centered :noworry
>_>
i can think of no worse eps than this.

[Kira Yamato]

I can think of plenty of episodes that are not any better than this one :notrust

meh..you're opinion is worth anything and the sooner you learn it the better. I raised you wrong cuppie =/


Train was the focus of this episode!! You're just picky V_V

[cupnoodles]

you're right. you tried to raise me wrong, but i grew up the right way anyways :noworry
thank god i didn't fall into your line of thinking =D

there isn't an ep nearly as bad as this one IMO :noworry

not to mention he reverted to adult for no reason

[Kira Yamato]

you're right. you tried to raise me wrong, but i grew up the right way anyways :noworry
thank god i didn't fall into your line of thinking =D

there isn't an ep nearly as bad as this one IMO :noworry

not to mention he reverted to adult for no reason


There migth have been an explanation, but since you don't read japanese you can't really say then it would be difficult to say that wasn't an explanation. Stop staying stuff you know nothing about. and besides in the preview it looks like Train reverted back to his chibi form, and we're definetly going to get an explanation once the enxt episode occurs if it wasn't explained in this episode.

[cupnoodles]

don't be an idiot. i know some degree of japanese. they don't know wtf happened. that's why rinslet came in saying something like "wtf? he's not chibi!" after sven told her about what happened to train.

[Kira Yamato]

don't be an idiot. i know some degree of japanese. they don't know wtf happened. that's why rinslet came in saying something like "wtf? he's not chibi!" after sven told her about what happened to train.



Like I said they will provide an explanation. They wanted to leave it some suspense so people like you would say wtf happened. In other word that's a good thing!! Plus it means taht the explanation will be dramtically different from the manga. Therefore I'm looking forward to it.

[Chamcham Trigger]

Where's the surprise though if you guys read the manga? Or is this swaying from the main story.

[Kira Yamato]

^That's the whole point. When you see an episode that goes against the grain and has a different storyline for the manga, it makes it interesting to compare the two storylines ^_^

[cupnoodles]

Like I said they will provide an explanation. They wanted to leave it some suspense so people like you would say wtf happened. In other word that's a good thing!! Plus it means taht the explanation will be dramtically different from the manga. Therefore I'm looking forward to it.
the way they did it, i don't even care.
i certainly didn't say "wtf happened", i said "this is retarded" =D

[Kira Yamato]

^Yeah, I figured you would. But most people will find it interesting and you'll find yourself in the miniority opinion as usual cuppie :noworry

Some peopls just like intrigue and intelligence in there anime :P

[cupnoodles]

please, you speak only for yourself. quit pretending you're speaking for the majority :notrust

[Kira Yamato]

^bleh..you always go against the grain. You even think Echidna is top tier in terms of looks, so yeah, I'll take on the personality of most of the majority because somebody has to :noworry

[Chamcham Trigger]

HEY Echidna is top tier in terms of looks :mad...wow Cup's visible.

[cupnoodles]

you don't know the majority :notrust
just cuz we have a few other ppl posting in here doesn't mean anything XD

i just wanted to say i hated ep 14 and you still have to go against me >(
i don't care about leon and the kids. let me hate the ep in peace -____-

[Kira Yamato]

you don't know the majority :notrust
just cuz we have a few other ppl posting in here doesn't mean anything XD

i just wanted to say i hated ep 14 and you still have to go against me >(
i don't care about leon and the kids. let me hate the ep in peace -____-

And I happen to like the episode with Leon's crew..

okay let's drop this topic, but if you bring that up again of course I will defend it..because I will not allow it to become one-sided.

@CCT: stop being delusional xDD

[cupnoodles]

....this isn't a battle. i hate ep 14. that's all i wanted to say! don't tell me to like it!!
i don't tell you to hate it!! :cussing
>_>
<_<
*bites*


stop being delusional xDD
you're the one that should wake up :noworry
echidna is hot as hell, anime just uglified her.

[Kira Yamato]

....this isn't a battle. i hate ep 14. that's all i wanted to say! don't tell me to like it!!
i don't tell you to hate it!! :cussing
>_>
<_<
*bites*



you're the one that should wake up :noworry
echidna is hot as hell, anime just uglified her.


I never said you should like it, but I want it to be balanced...because your negativity about the anime shouldn't engulf the whole thread. So another side showed be shown to even things up.

And this is an anime thread so, yeah Echidna is ugly :P

[cupnoodles]

you know what? i think rinslet is also ugly in the anime :notrust
kyoko's pretty damn ugly at times. eve is deformed sometimes as well. they're all ugly :notrust
hell even sephy gets ugly too.

[Kira Yamato]

^now you're just being plain cynical cup nini, i fact you yourself have asid on many occassions that the anime uglified echidna but said nothing else about anyone, else but now I say that about her, you suddenly come to relaizatiuon that everyone else is ugly? lol..you're too easy to read cuppy XDD

[cupnoodles]

what're you talking about? dig back 40 pages and i'm sure you're bound to see that i've said on many occasions that they uglyfied rinslet and sephy as well as de-cutsey-fying eve..

[Kira Yamato]

^you didn't say it that way. And I never remembered you saying anything about Kyouko and if you did you would have just mentioned it in your latest post.

[cupnoodles]

i said it because i just realized it in ep 13 :noworry
when they did that weird-style drawing of her, it was disgusting -___-

[Kira Yamato]

^Yeah, use that excuse, we all know you're starting to run thin on them. :)

Besides there's no doubt the manga characters look better than their anime counter-parts ^_^

well, echidna.....well..meh -__-

[cupnoodles]

what're you talking about...it's true. you can't expect me to see into the future on what ep 13 would be like. she's ugly as hell. what? must i say they're gonna uglify shiki unmasked right now prior to them showing it?

looks like a blob. besides, you're always attacking me on the minor things that have little relevance just because you see a little opening and ignoring everything else that i'm right about :notrust

[Kira Yamato]

what're you talking about...it's true. you can't expect me to see into the future on what ep 13 would be like. she's ugly as hell. what? must i say they're gonna uglify shiki unmasked right now prior to them showing it?

looks like a blob. besides, you're always attacking me on the minor things that have little relevance just because you see a little opening and ignoring everything else that i'm right about :notrust


You were planning to say that before hand and would have just said you saw it in epi 12 or something. :noworry

Fact is your trying to make everything seem negative when that isn't the acse and while your entitled to your own opinion...so am I

[cupnoodles]

...then stop trying to make me seem like a nutcase just cuz i said echidna would be top tier as well since i'm entitled to my opinion and you to yours :notrust

[TEK]

After looking at your avy Kira, I kinda want to see episode 14 now. But then I realized that there are no subs yet....

[Chamcham Trigger]

Yesss yesss TEK. Laziness compells you like me :kukuku

[TEK]

haha, I guess so chamcham. ^_^

[Chamcham Trigger]

So do you read the manga as well? Or are you strictly an anime man? I'm trying to get into the manga, but laziness keeps rebuking me :S

[TEK]

I actually am currently just watching the anime for this series but I do want to start reading the manga for this. Laziness is also what's stopping me. I don't feel like putting in the effort to download the chapter for it since I have to download them one by one at stoptazmo.com so I just decided to watch the anime unless I can download them by volumes.

[Chamcham Trigger]

That's a good idea. I can't even download from there if I wanted to :laugh. For some reason it keeps saying something about restricted or whatnot. Bah I just usually go for torrents for any manga that's not bleach or naruto anyway....well besides Hajime no ippo and flame of recca

[TEK]

Yea, I only go to stoptazmo for Prince of Tennis and Eyeshield 21.

Are you registered at stoptazmo? If not, that might be why it's restricted.

[Taxman]

stoptazmo is saying stuff about server updates and only like 50% of the manga downloads are available...or at least that's what I'm getting. I'm not a member and it's the only place I know of with eyeshield 21 manga.

Episode 6 of black cat made me depressed...T_T

[Kusajishi]

Lol I wonder, lazyness stops me from downloading the manga also it's way much easier to just watch the episodes hah, I only read the Naruto manga so!

[TEK]

Yea, that was a pretty depressing episode. Poor Saya. :scry

As for the Eyeshield Manga, it's usually released at a place called Fucking Forums but stoptazmo seems to get it from them pretty quickly and provide direct downloads so I usually just get it from there.

[Prince Leon]

I actually am currently just watching the anime for this series but I do want to start reading the manga for this. Laziness is also what's stopping me. I don't feel like putting in the effort to download the chapter for it since I have to download them one by one at stoptazmo.com so I just decided to watch the anime unless I can download them by volumes.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=77539

Kira and Moridin have the volumes uploaded in the manga thread. :amuse

[Kira Yamato]

After looking at your avy Kira, I kinda want to see episode 14 now. But then I realized that there are no subs yet....


*points at cups and says "told ya so"* :P

..and yeah, episode 6 made me sick to my stomach, but it was neccessary :cry


and I'll get right on uploading the other volumes :amuse

volumes 9-18 should be uploaded by days end and posted in the manga thread. Hopefully I can download chapters that belong in volume 1. because I'm missing those.

*only has volumes 2-18*

[cupnoodles]

...told me what? don't expect me to care just cuz elephantman likes your avi :noworry

the world can go against me and i'll still say ep 14 sucks.

..ep 6 was awesome >_>

[Prince Leon]

Just finished watching episode 13 after a long wait to do so. Yet another good episode. :amuse

I love the changes they made to the opening sequence and the new ED.

Oh and Kyouko = :love + :laugh


@Kira: Yeah man, episode 6 was quite possibly the gayest episode yet. =/

[Kira Yamato]

the world can go against me and i'll still say ep 14 sucks.

..ep 6 was awesome >_>


only you would say something like that. That episode seriously sucked ><
It basically made a lot of people angry, so I don't quite understand how you liked it...

*beats insolence out of cuppie*

[cupnoodles]

please, we all knew saya had to go :noworry
they should be grateful creed didn't dice her up limb by limb and then into another million pieces.
plus you know, the firework in the background was so pretty! XD

[TEK]

Alright. Just to lighten the mood, here are some Black Cat wallpapers.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6503/animepaperwallpapersblackcatda.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatda.jpg)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4370/animepaperwallpapersblackcatra.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatra.jpg)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1362/animepaperwallpapersblackcatda1.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatda1.jpg)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1387/animepaperwallpapersblackcatjt.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatjt.jpg)

[TEK]

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5664/animepaperwallpapersblackcatla.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatla.jpg)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4687/animepaperwallpapersblackcatbj.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatbj.jpg)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5623/animepaperwallpapersblackcatve.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepaperwallpapersblackcatve.jpg)

[cupnoodles]

lol, that wallpaper of saya is freaky. XD

[TEK]

haha, yea. It gives me hope that she is still alive cuz we have yet to see her be freaky. :P

[Kira Yamato]

please, we all knew saya had to go :noworry
they should be grateful creed didn't dice her up limb by limb and then into another million pieces.
plus you know, the firework in the background was so pretty! XD


No, it was horrible and Saya should have never died. Plus, weren't you the one who said you hated the new Train...well her death helped him changed his personality even moreso. :noworry

*saves and uses the wall paper* ^_^

[cupnoodles]

*sigh* i'm not gonna argue. you're hopeless :noworry

haha, yea. It gives me hope that she is still alive cuz we have yet to see her be freaky.
i rather see her dead than freaky like that >_>
a freaky saya is not a saya....
i bet that's how she'd look if creed brought her back to life XD

[TEK]

Yea, probably. It would definitely do a ton of mental damage to Train.

[Kira Yamato]

^I think Train would probably want a living saya even if she was a bit freaky. And are we talking about the good kind of freaky? :lmao

Thanks for the wall papers TEK ^_^

[cupnoodles]

...oh shut up...saya's not that kinda girl :notrust

they're...just best friends >_>

hey i'm visible now, doesn't that entitle me to a cookie? =D

[Kira Yamato]

^once again your attacking me cuppie, but yet you say I bring stuff up all the time :notrust

I'm not saying Saya is like that, I'm giving my opinion on what personality type I would like regarding Saya ^_^

she can be friends with Train for all I care...doesn't change anything :drool

*snatches cookie from cup-nini*

[TEK]

No prob Kira. And Saya being freaky like that....I woulnd't mind seeing that. :lmao :drool

[Kira Yamato]

^Yeah, but it still saddens me of what became of her.....damn Creed!! :cry

[TEK]

I still hold hopes that she's alive, no matter how unlikely the chances for that are. I'm still mad that Creed did that. Stupid Creed.

[cupnoodles]

kira, did you see the piccy i posted at the black cat FC?
eve doesn't grow up to look like tearju. she cuts her hair short and looks more like rinslet in tight clothing =D it's from volume 20 of the series

once again your attacking me cuppie, but yet you say I bring stuff up all the time
what's another little jab really gonna do ya? :notrust
i meant you bring up arguments all the time XD

...give me my cookie!! :cussing

[Kira Yamato]

^I'm hoping she's still alive, but I'm in the "she's as dead as a door nail" camp. It just seems that it would be impossible for her to be still alive, and if she does somehow come back, you probably won't like the results :cry

@Cuppie: I haven't been in the FC for quite some time. but did you say tight clothing? :drool

I gave you a cookie like 18 years ago, we you have to be so greedy?

[cupnoodles]

well i remember it was pretty tight >_>

...she almost turned from being cute to being hot XD

[Chamcham Trigger]

What's up with everyone in black cat and short hair?...well at least for the good guys.

[TEK]

So does anyone have any good Kyouko fanart. I really want to make a sig/avy about her but haven't found any pics that are good.

[Kira Yamato]

^almost?

meh...well, since we have different opinions about what's hot or not, I won't be dissapointed until I actually see her for myself. And the tighter the better I always say..well, not always but how many overweight females do you see in Black Cat?

[Ssj3_Goku]

is 14 subbed yet or anything?

[Kira Yamato]

^nope, I've been checking and it hasn't been subbed yet. Expect it anytime between tonight and Tuesday XD, although I'd errh on the Tuesday than the saturday xDD

[Kusajishi]

Ele I only found a few screenshots on her at http://www.animestocks.com/ otherwise I havnt found anything=( I want em to!

[Chamcham Trigger]

^almost?

meh...well, since we have different opinions about what's hot or not, I won't be dissapointed until I actually see her for myself. And the tighter the better I always say..well, not always but how many overweight females do you see in Black Cat?
So are you telling me that the manga has a gap where everyone gets older?

[cupnoodles]

nah. it's just how they look after the whole thing with creed is settled and they resume their ordinary lives.

and sephiria's got long hair >_>
so not everyone has short XD

[Kira Yamato]

nah. it's just how they look after the whole thing with creed is settled and they resume their ordinary lives.

and sephiria's got long hair >_>
so not everyone has short XD


good to know... sephy just wouldn't look right without long hair. :amuse

[TEK]

@Kyouko: I guess I"ll register there and see what they've got. If I ever find any good stocks of her, I'll post them here. Maybe I'll just use the wallpaper stock I found of her and posted for a sig.

[cupnoodles]

good to know... sephy just wouldn't look right without long hair. :amuse

you see her sitting around...XD
you'd think she's a busy busy woman ^^;;

train does get hades repaired >_>

[Chamcham Trigger]

nah. it's just how they look after the whole thing with creed is settled and they resume their ordinary lives.

and sephiria's got long hair >_>
so not everyone has short XD
I consider Sephiria a badguy because she's a drone of Chronos...and she annoys me despite her looks.
Hmmm so Creed is actually done with already? I thought his death would end the series.

[cupnoodles]

the series ended. it ended ages ago. sephiria isn't such a drone in the manga anyways. in fact she's quite nice to train throughout the whole series in the manga, so you'd probably think differently if you read it XD

[Kira Yamato]

you see her sitting around...XD
you'd think she's a busy busy woman ^^;;

train does get hades repaired >_>


lol..maybe Sepheria is on a mini vacation of sorts :laugh

and I'm not shocked that Train got Hades repaired. It would have sucked if it didn't

[cupnoodles]

lol..maybe Sepheria is on a mini vacation of sorts :laugh

and I'm not shocked that Train got Hades repaired. It would have sucked if it didn't

please...most of the time you see sephy, she's just taking life easy...>_>


i'm not sure who repaired it, but chronos is the only organization in the world capable of that. though you do get to see train using a regular gun to sweep some losers before it got repaired =P

[Kira Yamato]

please...most of the time you see sephy, she's just taking life easy...>_>


i'm not sure who repaired it, but chronos is the only organization in the world capable of that. though you do get to see train using a regular gun to sweep some losers before it got repaired =P

she seems too uptight to take it easy...:noworry



I knew Chronos would eventually repair his gun. The reason for is still a mystery for me. Train is a skilled expert, Hades is an awesome Gun, but Train is still formidable with a normal gun or no gun at all.

[cupnoodles]

well you tell me why she's always sitting or standing around doing nothing >_>

yeah, it's quite a mystery to me as well. bah...train wouldn't seem like train if he didn't have his Hades. i wish some of the apostles had died though. sephy let them all go XD

[Kira Yamato]

well you tell me why she's always sitting or standing around doing nothing >_>

yeah, it's quite a mystery to me as well. bah...train wouldn't seem like train if he didn't have his Hades. i wish some of the apostles had died though. sephy let them all go XD


Because she's maintaing all her energy for the next big battle :oh

I knew Chronos would repair Train's Gun...:knk
Sephy let them all go??? hmmh...she went really soft. They should have died somehow during battle, I didn't expect Chronos to kill them but I thought they would have died indirectly as a result from the battle.

[cupnoodles]

what next big battle...she just sends some of the Numbers off to kill whoever it is anyways :notrust
all you see is her eating sushi and drinking tea XD

meh, i got the feeling she was always that soft. you've never seen her actually try to kill anyone prior to creed. whether it was train or kyoko or anyone she's dealt with. it was only the anime that they made her so violent :noworry
but yeah, i expected the tao users to be screwed for life. turns out they're all free. even creed. heck, none of them were even jailed or anything.

[Kira Yamato]

what next big battle...she just sends some of the Numbers off to kill whoever it is anyways :notrust
all you see is her eating sushi and drinking tea XD

meh, i got the feeling she was always that soft. you've never seen her actually try to kill anyone prior to creed. whether it was train or kyoko or anyone she's dealt with. it was only the anime that they made her so violent :noworry
but yeah, i expected the tao users to be screwed for life. turns out they're all free. even creed. heck, none of them were even jailed or anything.

Well, she did went to go fight Creed, so I'm guessing that there will always be some major evil out there which will need her power to defeat it. In anime series there's always some giant evil that was stronger than the last so Sephy will probably fight again.

wow...Apostles got off pretty lightly. Never expected that kind of ending but hey if it was too predictable I guess it would have been bad.

[Chamcham Trigger]

the series ended. it ended ages ago. sephiria isn't such a drone in the manga anyways. in fact she's quite nice to train throughout the whole series in the manga, so you'd probably think differently if you read it XD
Awww alright I give. I'm gonna start collecting the manga then. I didn't know it was over with though.

[cupnoodles]

you probably won't find the manga past chapter 170 though, but it's only 10 chapters from the ending.

Well, she did went to go fight Creed, so I'm guessing that there will always be some major evil out there which will need her power to defeat it. In anime series there's always some giant evil that was stronger than the last so Sephy will probably fight again.

yeah, but that was a direct order fromt he supreme elders. plus i would expect anyone would want to kick creed's ass and put a stop to him, no surprise there. he's not the type who would turn to a life of peace so easily like some of the other apostles. violence was her last resort.
In anime series there's always some giant evil that was stronger than the last so Sephy will probably fight again.
well in most anime series it is. creed is the only bad guy here really, so there's really no "stronger" opponent out there. i think the anime did a bad job of capturing her personality.

[Kira Yamato]

you probably won't find the manga past chapter 170 though, but it's only 10 chapters from the ending.


yeah, but that was a direct order fromt he supreme elders. plus i would expect anyone would want to kick creed's ass and put a stop to him, no surprise there. he's not the type who would turn to a life of peace so easily like some of the other apostles. violence was her last resort.

well in most anime series it is. creed is the only bad guy here really, so there's really no "stronger" opponent out there. i think the anime did a bad job of capturing her personality.




Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a guy even more evil than Creed after all, you can't have sequeals with new enemies if they're weaker than the previous villains. It would be really lame. That's why I'm saying Sephy is saving her strenght because there will be an evil greater and stronger evil than Creed :P

Sure Creed may be the strongest villain in this series, but if they ever think of having sequel that will no longer be the case.

[cupnoodles]

just because black cat can surprise you at times, i'm leaning towards the new evil dude in the sequel if one exists, that he won't be stronger than creed. it's not always power that wins the war :noworry
besides, it's pretty damn impossible to be more powerful than creed. creed actually has an imagine blade lvl max. train wouldn't have won if it weren't for saya's ghost appearing again. (she helped him aim when he was too weak to hold his gun still.)

[Kira Yamato]

just because black cat can surprise you at times, i'm leaning towards the new evil dude in the sequel if one exists, that he won't be stronger than creed. it's not always power that wins the war :noworry
besides, it's pretty damn impossible to be more powerful than creed. creed actually has an imagine blade lvl max. train wouldn't have won if it weren't for saya's ghost appearing again. (she helped him aim when he was too weak to hold his gun still.)



I still say there will be a stronger opponent. What's the fun in having a new enemy if there weaker than the previous villain. That's what we refer to as "filler" characters xDD

Train help with the help of Saya? Cool, just like it should of ended :amuse

[cupnoodles]

i dunno, sometimes new enemies are just more tricky or complicated than the previous >_>

anyways, i uploaded the black cat side stories at the manga thread for you.

[Kira Yamato]

^Thanks for the up-load ^_^

meh...usually filler characters are weaker than the main villains. It's almost like Majin Buu fighting Goku and the gang then someone like Genral Tao from the DB series coming to fight them next...a strong opponent followed by a weaker opponent just doesn't make too much sense.

[Taxman]

alright...so I've technically caught up until episode 14 is subbed. Are you guys going over manga spoilers now?...I have yet to catch up on that...:(...however, from what I've read there are many differences (not as many as FMA manga but still there are many differences).

I will mention though that if no one has read the manga and they saw what happened in episode 13...they would probably slap their foreheads saying "not another detective conan"...xD

And after catching up and from the last time I posted which was after I saw episode 3...or 6...can't remember...Sven is still the series to me though I'm always intrigued by number 1. Of course, all the characters are interesting.

[Kira Yamato]

^It's great to know that you've caught up with series Ryan.

Sven seems like a side story character to me. At first it seemed it might have alot more to do with Sven, escecially since the relationship between him and Eve were first forged but now it seems as though it's more about Train. Even Eve's interactions now seemed more geared towards Train than anyone else. *because she wants to prove her value to the team and especially Sven*

errh..nvm, what me and Cuppie are talking about...just useless stuff that you need not worry about xDD

[Taxman]

@CJ: I don't mind reading though spoiler tags...xD....I've already read them.

Yeah, it does appear as if sven is being pushed into the backround. After so many episodes where he is the focus with Eve and now she is mainly focusing on Train.

[Kira Yamato]

^yep, even when future episode re-focus their attention on Sven, it's only temporary. well, we know the main character is Train and that everyone else is secondary :noworry

[Taxman]

^yep, even when future episode re-focus their attention on Sven, it's only temporary. well, we know the main character is Train and that everyone else is secondary :noworry

very true...since he is the black cat xD...so...I just read some of the back pages and found out that Saya actually put up a fight against creed and it's in volume 13...which I don't have...T_T

and were you guys talking about future villains to continue the series?...this series just feels like one where once the rival is gone..then there is no one else. Isn't that how most animes work that have an ongoing rivalry whether it be in some tournament...or one final fight...

[Kira Yamato]

^yeah, initially that's what I thought at first, but after finding out certain news >_>

we started speculating about new villains and such. Can't say anymore because it might be too spoilerish.

Volume 13? Are you saying you would like me to transfer some more volumes to you? XDD

[Taxman]

now that I'm back from class....you should know that answer...>.>...<.<...

oh...too spoilerish eh?...so the manga didn't finish up properly?...I guess I'll find out once I finish reading it.

[Kira Yamato]

^*refuses to answer the last question in this thread* xDD

The anime will have a conclusion so, don't worry about the story not being complete. Just how much it follows the manga storyline is still a mystery at this point.

[cupnoodles]

why would anyone think sven was the main char? the series is titled "black cat" XDDDD

and were you guys talking about future villains to continue the series?...this series just feels like one where once the rival is gone..then there is no one else. Isn't that how most animes work that have an ongoing rivalry whether it be in some tournament...or one final fight...
the series is over. it was only creed. the manga ended a looooong time ago, but whether or not there will be a sequel, only god knows.

^Thanks for the up-load ^_^
*bites*
shut up, don't say stupid things.

[Taxman]

No one said sven was the main character...I was mentioning how he's basically my favorite character and CJ mentioned how he's moving to the backround/side character role, even though that's what he was to begin with...xD

The manga has been done for that long and they still felt like making a somewhat different storyline?...:oh

[Kira Yamato]

*bites*
shut up, don't say stupid things.

Bites back :yell

@Ryan: It's not uncommon for an anime series to deviate from the manga storyline. I'm not sure if it was to make the storyline fit better in a 26 episode series or maybe they felt that some parts just wasn't interesting.

[Taxman]

@CJ: you know that I know that mangas deviate...you ARE talking to probably NF's biggest FMAtard...so I know how different mangas can be than the anime. However, from what I know from the manga...I would say that you are right with it trying to fit 26 episodes.

[Kira Yamato]

^yep FMA had 51 episodes to work with, while Black Cat is working within the restrictions of 26 episodes, so obviously parts of the storyline must be either sacraficed or modified to fit the 26 episode mold.

I don't mind the deviation from the manga storyline. But after saying that, I still enjoy the manga storyline better.

[cupnoodles]

it's 24 eps. they could've fit more in had they just let train start off as a sweeper like he was suppose to...*sigh* not start out with ep 1 already being a filler -____-;;

[Chamcham Trigger]

lol well I like the direction it's taking still. I know it's a different approach, but it's still being done pretty well, and it can just be seen as an alternative approach like FMA

[Kira Yamato]

it's 24 eps. they could've fit more in had they just let train start off as a sweeper like he was suppose to...*sigh* not start out with ep 1 already being a filler -____-;;


I wouldn't neccessarily call it a filler. After all, they changed the whole way Train, Sven and Eve met, that's essentially changing around the storyline. Fillers are something that has no impact on the main storyline :noworry

[Taxman]

I wouldn't neccessarily call it a filler. After all, they changed the whole way Train, Sven and Eve met, that's essentially changing around the storyline. Fillers are something that has no impact on the main storyline :noworry

what impact did episode one have again?....other than the opening sequence which we finally saw in detail in episode 7

[Kira Yamato]

The fact that it showed that Train and Sven were not fellow sweepers intially and it would be difficult to go into episode 2 without the audience knowing how Sven met Train...even though it was through an assasination attempt.

[Chamcham Trigger]

In the end the story was slightly changed, but the main focus isn't lost, and it's still nice how it's being directed imo, though there seems to be some slight disapointing aspects.

[Taxman]

and what would those be so far cham?

I love it so far. I even love the opening song now...xD

@CJ: I guess that gave the episode enough significance to not be a filler...:oh

[Kira Yamato]

In the end the story was slightly changed, but the main focus isn't lost, and it's still nice how it's being directed imo, though there seems to be some slight disapointing aspects.

...wait how would you know the ending changed? I mean the anime is currently on episode 14, whose to say that the anime won't be a bit more on track from this point on?

[Chamcham Trigger]

and what would those be so far cham?

I love it so far. I even love the opening song now...xD

@CJ: I guess that gave the episode enough significance to not be a filler...:oh

...wait how would you know the ending changed? I mean the anime is currently on episode 14, whose to say that the anime won't be a bit more on track from this point on?
When did I say the ending changed? I said that the main focus is still there. Meaning that Train's still trying to go after Creed, just like in the manga. When I said change, I meant the approach they took, like what Cup touched upon, such as the fact of it starting differently. The lack of a time gap as big as the manga version, and the change of attitude with Chronos.

[Taxman]

I think cham meant to put an "even if" at the beginning of his last comment...:oh...so when do subs usually come out...considering I've heard that since it was liscenced that most of the fansubbers dropped it.

[Kira Yamato]

When did I say the ending changed? I said that the main focus in still there. Meaning that Train's still trying to go after Creed, just like in the manga. When I said change, I meant the approach they took, like what Cup touched upon, such as the fact of it starting differently. The lack of a time gap as big as the manga version, and the change of attitude with Chronos.


meh...It's pretty similar and can you really tell me what scenes they left out or what characters that were introduced in the manga, but haven't made there way into the anime storyline. And there's plenty of them so feel free to list as many of them as you'd like. For example, what was the name of the guy who challenged Train during the ladies birthday party? and how did it factor into the storyline, or how can it possibly fit in the anime storyline? :amuse

[Chamcham Trigger]

meh...It's pretty similar and can you really tell me what scenes they left out or what characters that were introduced in the manga, but haven't made there way into the anime storyline. And there's plenty of them so feel free to list as many of them as you'd like. For example, what was the name of the guy who challenged Train during the ladies birthday party? and how did it factor into the storyline, or how can it possibly fit in the anime storyline? :amuse
:mad. Let's stay on focus. This isn't a quiz show, and I'm not saying that there was a lot of focus lost. I said that there was small changes on the approach, and that it doesn't really mess with the main idea. In both the anime and manga there is the same main badguy.

[Kira Yamato]

:mad. Let's stay on focus. This isn't a quiz show, and I'm not saying that there was a lot of focus lost. I said that there was small changes on the approach, and that it doesn't really mess with the main idea. In both the anime and manga there is the same main badguy.


hmmh...why so defensive..hmmh..it seems kind of suspicious, that you wouldn't know something like that...after all, if you didn't you could have easily just rechecked....strange indeed. :laugh

I mean, I guess there's a reason why I haven't seen you in the manga thread..but meh, I digress,


Back on-topic:

@Ryan: Black Cat still has 3 fansub groups working on it, so the licensing of the series hasn't really discouraged most groups.

[Chamcham Trigger]

hmmh...why so defensive..hmmh..it seems kind of suspicious, that you wouldn't know something like that...after all, if you didn't you could have easily just rechecked....strange indeed. :laugh

I mean, I guess there's a reason why I haven't seen you in the manga thread..but meh, I digress,


Back on-topic:

@Ryan: Black Cat still has 3 fansub groups working on it, so the licensing of the series hasn't really discouraged most groups.
No nothing really suspicious. I just haven't finished the manga yet, but I do know some things about it, and I have read, though lazily, and am still reading it atm. I see nothing suspicious about using knowledge that I've attained from this thread (and the corresponding manga thread) and my limited, though justifiable understanding from what I've read. In the end, there are evident differences from starting point, and the lack of the big gap. Unless you don't know about these differences yourself.:noworry

[Taxman]

It's good to know that there are fansubbers still doing it, but how long does it take them?...I usually have to wait a week for Eyeshield 21 subbed.

[Kira Yamato]

No nothing really suspicious. I just haven't finished the manga yet, but I do know some things about it, and I have read, though lazily, and am still reading it atm. I see nothing suspicious about using knowledge that I've attained from this thread (and the corresponding manga thread) and my limited, though justifiable understanding from what I've read. In the end, there are evident differences from starting point, and the lack of the big gap. Unless you don't know about these differences yourself.:noworry


One word:

Dinosaur......~nuff said~ :noworry


@Ryan: Yeah, it usually takes about a week for the sub to comes out. Tuesday/Wednesday are usually the days when the sub comes out, while fridays/saturdays are the time when the raw is released.

[Chamcham Trigger]

One word:

Dinosaur......~nuff said~ :noworry


@Ryan: Yeah, it usually takes about a week for the sub to comes out. Tuesday/Wednesday are usually the days when the sub comes out, while fridays/saturdays are the time when the raw is released.
Two words: Point was dropped already and I've already explained my case. Anything more would be uncivilised. Plus I already know what you mean about the party attack :noworry

If it takes too long, I might break my policy and actually bring myself to watch the raw.

[Kira Yamato]

Two words: Point was dropped already and I've already explained my case. Anything more would be uncivilised. Plus I already know what you mean about the party attack :noworry

If it takes too long, I might break my policy and actually bring myself to watch the raw.


hmmh..I wonder where you got that information from *whistles innocently* :P

meh...that's the basic..part, but there's also the part about Train taking on the assassain who was suppsoe to kill that old lady...*the one who collects exotic animals*

14 should be out by tommorrow, so save your little HD space for something more important CCT XD

[Chamcham Trigger]

hmmh..I wonder where you got that information from *whistles innocently* :P

meh...that's the basic..part, but there's also the part about Train taking on the assassain who was suppsoe to kill that old lady...*the one who collects exotic animals*
I wonder who? Anyway you're still missing the point. The point is the small differences there are, and when you mention these, you're only pointing out more differences.
14 should be out by tommorrow, so save your little HD space for something more important CCT XD
That's a low blow :mad...and I'll have plenty of space left :noworry

[Kira Yamato]

I wonder who? Anyway you're still missing the point. The point is the small differences there are, and when you mention these, you're only pointing out more differences.

That's a low blow :mad...and I'll have plenty of space left :noworry


It's all perspective, what you deem small difference, I deem important to the overall storyline. Especially if they make a repeat appearance in the storyline.

and errh...get more space :sweat

[Chamcham Trigger]

It's all perspective, what you deem small difference, I deem important to the overall storyline. Especially if they make a repeat appearance in the storyline.
In the end, does Creed get dealt with?
and errh...get more space :sweat
I need no extra space. All I need are DVD- they cost less than DVD+ and I really don't see the difference in storage space or quality. With 100 for about $40, I'm fine :amuse

[Kira Yamato]

In the end, does Creed get dealt with?




Well, since the anime isn't finished yet, we really won't know. For all we know Creed could die this time around or even defeat Train!!! :nuts

But the manga ending is neither of those :noworry


I need no extra space. All I need are DVD- they cost less than DVD+ and I really don't see the difference in storage space or quality. With 100 for about $40, I'm fine :amuse


It's cheaper for an external drive...then again I use both methods >_>

[Taxman]

Are you guys quite through yet?

@cham: you never answered my question about what were the "disappointing aspects"?

[Chamcham Trigger]

Well, since the anime isn't finished yet, we really won't know. For all we know Creed could die this time around or even defeat Train!!! :nuts

But the manga ending is neither of those :noworry

I haven't finished the mange yet...or even gotten close

It's cheaper for an external drive...then again I use both methods >_>
are you sure? I got a 250 gig hdd for 100 when modding my, now burned out, xbox, but 100 DVDs for 40. That's almost 500 gigs for 40 isn't it?

[Taxman]

GET OVER IT...:yell

and answer my damn question....:oh

[Kira Yamato]

are you sure? I got a 250 gig hdd for 100 when modding my, now burned out, xbox, but 100 DVDs for 40. That's almost 500 gigs for 40 isn't it?

When it comes to accessibility issues, believe me..the savings will be there.


and answer Ryan's question CCT :amuse

[Chamcham Trigger]

Oops sorry Hyuuga.
Well I might've used the wrong word when I said "disapointing".
I guess I meant weird. I go back to the difference in time. There is no gap in the anime...well at least the 6 month gap wasn't that big I mean.

[Taxman]

oh..I see. I haven't found anything wrong with the anime...well...actually....creed is a bit...um....nevermind...xD

I want to see more sephy...:yell...oh...and I'm thinking of doing a sig from a moment in vol 13 and an avy from the opening...too bad there are words right in the middle of the screen...-_-;

[Kira Yamato]

Oops sorry Hyuuga.
Well I might've used the wrong word when I said "disapointing".
I guess I meant weird. I go back to the difference in time. There is no gap in the anime...well at least the 6 month gap wasn't that big I mean.


There wasn't that much of a gap in the manga as well >_>

Sven and Train haven't been doing Sweeper work together for that long, plus the fact that it happened in the beggining of the managa is almost neglible at best. :noworry

[cupnoodles]

i'm not about to read all that crap, but ep 1 was a f**king filler. you wouldn't miss a damn thing if the anime just started on ep 2. ep 2 didn't bring anything up from ep 1, so it doesn't freaking matter if sven caught a glimpse of the back of train's head for 2 seconds.
glancing at the back of train's head isn't vital to the storyline.



yeah sure...2 years isn't a big gap...

[Chamcham Trigger]

Bah. Creed's the best he's so cool and eccentric. I see nothing wrong with him :noworry

[Kira Yamato]

oh..I see. I haven't found anything wrong with the anime...well...actually....creed is a bit...um....nevermind...xD

I want to see more sephy...:yell...oh...and I'm thinking of doing a sig from a moment in vol 13 and an avy from the opening...too bad there are words right in the middle of the screen...-_-;


You could always download the raw, or I could transfer it to you via msn.

and don't worry we all think that of Creed >_>

[Chamcham Trigger]

You people are so closeminded to people's opinions of others. He just really admires Train. I see nothing wrong with admiration :noworry. Plus he doesn't take any lip from anyone who thinks otherwise, though I still hate the fact that he killed Saya, but noone's perfect.
@Cup: Point taken, though I still thought it was a nice episode. Hyuuga was also talking about how the anime started rather slowly.

[Taxman]

@CJ: I wasn't talking about text from the subtitles...I'm talking about actual Japanese text that they decided to put right in the middle of the screen.

@cham:....creed has a special admiration for train.....way too obsessive and he might as well dream about him like Kyouko does....that equates to one thing in my book...he doesn't only admire train...he WANTS him...:nuts

[Kira Yamato]

^^closeminded? Brining up a point isn't close minded, it's just stated an opinion. We never devalued anyone answers who happens to be different from our own. Well, except for Cuppie, but I like torturing that nini, so that the exception. Creed has deep affection for Train, just how far is open for interpretation...and that's what expressing ideas is all about.

[Chamcham Trigger]

Then you just are thinking too one dimensionally. He only wants him as a partner. Nothing more. That's what makes him a unique character. I don't know of his orientation, but when it comes to train, his originality comes in the fact that he doesn't simply have some desire for him in ways that most people assume at first.

[Kira Yamato]

^The point that he wants to bond with him and be one person, speaks volumes. And if Creed isn't playing for the other team, then they're really doing a bang up job of making it seem that way...


and the way that Creed carries himself doesn't help the matter.

[Taxman]

Then you just are thinking too one dimensionally. He only wants him as a partner. Nothing more. That's what makes him a unique character. I don't know of his orientation, but when it comes to train, his originality comes in the fact that he doesn't simply have some desire for him in ways that most people assume at first.


of course he wants him as a partner...A LIFE PARTNER...:nuts

and no...I am not thinking one dimensionally, I just find it very hilarious that a villain of a series would have so much "love" for the main character and loves roses...way too much...etc.

[Kira Yamato]

of course he wants him as a partner...A LIFE PARTNER...:nuts

and no...I am not thinking one dimensionally, I just find it very hilarious that a villain of a series would have so much "love" for the main character and loves roses...way too much...etc.


and bath in rose petals, and puts on his clothes when his one important person comes to see him. He slashes anyone who even talks badly about Train. And when Train hurts his feelings, he was left vulnerable and almost got killed. He wouldn't be doing that for someone he doesn't love. :noworry

[cupnoodles]

just because the subs say "bond" doesn't mean that's the exact phrasing in japanese.
cham's right. you're thinking way too 1 dimensionally. creed sees train as a kindred spirit who hates the world as it was and all the people in it,not a gay lover. so of course he'll kill anyone who disrepects train. train is one of a kind in the world to him and the only person he deems worthy. everyone else is just trash in his eyes.

[Chamcham Trigger]

So he likes to look pretty. I see nothing wrong with the guy liking to look pretty, and it's not like there aren't any other anime characters that are really extreme like that. I could name a few off the top of my head.

@Hyuuga: That's just low using my post against me :notrust
EDIT:
And thanks Cup. See I knew you'd see it clearly.

[Kira Yamato]

just because the subs say "bond" doesn't mean that's the exact phrasing in japanese.
cham's right. you're thinking way too 1 dimensionally. creed sees train as a kindred spirit who hates the world as it was and all the people in it,not a gay lover.


Meh...if you want to take it in the general sense, then be my guest, but I see it otherwise. You make it seem like a bad thing, when in fact it's just different. Kindred spirits are often lovers cuppie :wink

[cupnoodles]

....that was a sad attempt at a rebuttal. you've obviously been cornered :noworry
male "bonding" doesn't mean a male orgy, k?

[Kira Yamato]

^since when does Orgy mean less than 2 people being together. I thougt it was more than 2. Besides, your avoiding my question, so who has a sad rebuttal now? :notrust

Creed has very deep feelings for Train, admit it!! :yell

[Chamcham Trigger]

Oh please. Don't try to make us look small minded about Creed's lifestyle. I've already stated that I don't know his sexual orientation, but that's not my concern. It's his unique relition to Train, and his original approach that makes me like him as a character.

[cupnoodles]

you didn't ask me any questions, you nini :notrust
what's to avoid?

i do admit he has deep feelings for train. who the heck wouldn't? does that automatically make creed gay? no.
creed loved train's enmity towards the world and his never ending quest to become stronger and stronger, not his penis.
you're thinking he's gay just because he wants to "save" the one person that would be a perfect fit in the utopia he wants to create.

[Kira Yamato]

Black Cat 14 (http://datorrents.com/download.asp?id=6478&name=%5BOyasumi%5D_Black_Cat_14_%5B017B99D9%5D.avi .torrent) is out now!!! :knk

[cupnoodles]

who cares, i just want ep 15 >_>;;

[Kira Yamato]

you didn't ask me any questions, you nini :notrust
what's to avoid?

i do admit he has deep feelings for train. who the heck wouldn't? does that automatically make creed gay? no.
creed loved train's enmity towards the world and his never ending quest to become stronger and stronger, not his penis.
you're thinking he's gay just because he wants to "save" the one person that would be a perfect fit in the utopia he wants to create.


No one ever said it had to be physical nini...

That's the case in many straight couples...there's isn't that physical attarction. Heck, you could compare it to the way that Train felt about Saya. They didn't have a relationship but you can tell there was a connection. And Creed's feelings for Train seem even more deeper than that.

[Chamcham Trigger]

lol wow. ohh because of the raw? I didn't see it, but my torrent's not starting up :S

[Kira Yamato]

lol wow. ohh because of the raw? I didn't see it, but my torrent's not starting up :S


Don't let one person's experience determine your opinion about an episode. If it sucks, then you'll know aftter seeing it, but not because cup-nini said so..

[Taxman]

you didn't ask me any questions, you nini :notrust
what's to avoid?

i do admit he has deep feelings for train. who the heck wouldn't? does that automatically make creed gay? no.
creed loved train's enmity towards the world and his never ending quest to become stronger and stronger, not his penis.
you're thinking he's gay just because he wants to "save" the one person that would be a perfect fit in the utopia he wants to create.

yeah...like the garden of eden...except instead of adam and eve it would be adam and steve....:nuts

ok...back on point...which was what again?...oh right, so episode 14 has now been subbed is that whay you're saying CJ? So...how many episodes do you think train is going to remain small?

[Kira Yamato]

I'm guessing at least one more episode, so by 15 Train should be back to normal. Then again taht's all speculation at this point :P

[Chamcham Trigger]

Hopefully he'll be big by episode 15 or 16.
We don't have time for Chibi Train in a series that's only 24 episodes.

[Taxman]

I'm guessing at least one more episode, so by 15 Train should be back to normal. Then again taht's all speculation at this point :P
well...they are going to need to introduce the doctor and find her and then go from there. You would think that it would take one episode for them to find out about her. One episode for them to find her...and the beginning of the next ep for him to be back to normal. However...they could probably do this all in one episode...but that would be covering two volumes of manga in one or two episodes...>.>

[cupnoodles]

are you blind? he was already big again by the end of ep 14.

That's the case in many straight couples...there's isn't that physical attarction. Heck, you could compare it to the way that Train felt about Saya. They didn't have a relationship but you can tell there was a connection. And Creed's feelings for Train seem even more deeper than that.
what're you saying? any guy who cares for another guy is gay? :notrust

[Prince Leon]

Hopefully he'll be big by episode 15 or 16.
We don't have time for Chibi Train in a series that's only 24 episodes.

Actually it seems like it'll be 52 episodes according to ANN. :oh

But no one else has a number of episodes listed. :S

[Taxman]

I haven't seen episode 14 yet...:oh...maybe that would explain how blind I am

[Kira Yamato]

@Cuppy: he was in his chibi form in the preview for episode 15 >_>

so, I suggest you rewatch the preview because I just did :noworry

[cupnoodles]

I haven't seen episode 14 yet......maybe that would explain how blind I am
my insults are always aim only at kira :noworry

@Cuppy: he was in his chibi form in the preview for episode 15 >_>

so, I suggest you rewatch the preview because I just did
really? he turned back? O_o

...you really think i'd keep ep 14 around? :notrust

[Kira Yamato]

^That's what I'm trying to say...You're too quick to judge and missed out on something important..hello!! he gets the rail gun when he finalizes his transformation back, and the preview shows Chibi Train doing just that!!!

[cupnoodles]

...you misunderstand. it's not important to me. :noworry
i was never a fan of the rail gun anyways.

[TheVileOne]

How can you not like rail guns?

KIRA! Latest av...where's it from?!

[cupnoodles]

becuz it's lame and unoriginal. the thing isn't the least bit creative.

[Kira Yamato]

...you misunderstand. it's not important to me. :noworry
i was never a fan of the rail gun anyways.


I knew you never liked it, but my point is still valid. Train is still chibi in the next episode probably meaning his transformation in 14 wasn't permamnent. :noworry


@TVO: It's from the anime series Karin :amuse

[Chamcham Trigger]

I knew you never liked it, but my point is still valid. Train is still chibi in the next episode probably meaning his transformation in 14 wasn't permamnent. :noworry
I don't really see how that arguement makes sense. If you're trying to prove that his chibi form isn't permanent (which it can't be), then mentioning that he's still chibi wouldn't help the arguement would it?

[Taxman]

no...CJ is proving that he was still chibi by the end of the episode in which cuppie said that he had already transformed back.

[TheVileOne]

Is Karin a good fan service show I should be watching?

[Chamcham Trigger]

no...CJ is proving that he was still chibi by the end of the episode in which cuppie said that he had already transformed back.
Ohh now I get it. Though I think the series shouldn't waste time with chibi train considering the amount of episodes left. That last remark has nothing to do with what Kira said, but it is a small concern of mine.

[Taxman]

@cham:But chibi train does matter...it's the whole reason for his new ability. The effects of the lucifer bullet is what causes train to have the rail gun...the chibi form was a side effect and it had to be shown.

[TheVileOne]

Once again, the Doctor has SCREWED the apostles royally by doing this.

[TheVileOne]

BTW, its official.

Kyouko IS INDEED a LOLI-PEDO-FIN! Confirmed by episode 14.

Chibi-Train is so awesome though. He thought he could fly and transform into stuff :) .

[Chamcham Trigger]

Hyuuga: When did I say that Chibi Train didn't matter? I just said that with the slight lack of episodes that the series will be composed of, I just don't think more than 2 episodes should be spent on him. I already know that it's the thing that is responsible for the development of his powers, because I've seen Cup and Kira discuss that a few pages ago.
@TVO...hey that's like Tivo:amuse:
@Tivo: You're right, and in your other post, you're right again. Chibi Train is pretty cool for a kid character, though I'm not surprised since Eve is also a cool kid character, and I usually hate kid characters. I just don't know how much time it would be wise spending on him in this form though.

[Kira Yamato]

I don't really see how that arguement makes sense. If you're trying to prove that his chibi form isn't permanent (which it can't be), then mentioning that he's still chibi wouldn't help the arguement would it?


No one ever mentioned the form wasn't permamnent. Remember, I've read the manga, so I know it's only temporary, but unlike cuppie, I've actually seen the entire episode 14 and saw in the preview that for 15 that he's still in chibi form, thus my prediction is that he stabilizes back into old Train in 14 is correct. That was my whole point, while cuppie said that he stabilized at the end of 14 which wasn't the case.

@TVO: Karin has decent fanservice, but I don't watch that anime for fanservice, it has a decent storyline, and I like the chcracters. Animes like DearS and Girls Bravo can be viewed for ecchiness, but this anime, is a bit driven by plot, despite the fact that the OP for Karin screams "ecchi" :laugh

[cupnoodles]

don't put words in my mouth. i said he turned back to adult in the end of ep 14 and he did. whether or not he turns chibi again in ep 15 is another case :noworry

though my point was that it was of no importance >_>

[Kira Yamato]

don't put words in my mouth. i said he turned back to adult in the end of ep 14 and he did. whether or not he turns chibi again in ep 15 is another case :noworry

though my point was that it was of no importance >_>


It's a big change from the actual manga storyline. Only you could say that it wasn't important :notrust

[cupnoodles]

big changes of something unimportant is still unimportant :noworry

whether or not he keeps turning chibi is non of my concern. my only concern is that he learns how to kick some ass =D
just because it leads up to it doesn't make it important.

[Kira Yamato]

^yeah, right, you're the one who doesn't even like the Rail gun. What can you possibly like about the remaining episodes? In fact all you do is complain about character development.

[cupnoodles]

...what's being chibi got to do with char development?
i loved the background story about train being an assassin and saya getting killed :noworry
and i'm just looking forward to the fights, nothing much else =/
oh and hot girls.

[Taxman]

Ohh now I get it. Though I think the series shouldn't waste time with chibi train considering the amount of episodes left. That last remark has nothing to do with what Kira said, but it is a small concern of mine.

this is where I got the impression that you said that chibi form train didn't matter....and that's why I responded.

[cupnoodles]

it's not that chibi train doesn't matter, it just doesn't take priority when we have so little eps left.

and i just looked at the preview for ep 15 and there was NO chibi train.
...you nini!! you baka!!!!! *bites* *bites* *bites* >(
such a failure of a fake e-pops :noworry

[Kira Yamato]

...what's being chibi got to do with char development?
i loved the background story about train being an assassin and saya getting killed :noworry
and i'm just looking forward to the fights, nothing much else =/
oh and hot girls.


The fact that he had to confront the demons of his past, which the transformation allowed him to do. If it weren't for that phase then we wouldn't have gotten to know what happened in his past. The transformation wasn't just used to allow him to gain new abilities, but it was usued as a vehicle to convey what happened in his childhood cuppie :noworry

I just saw the preview again and Chibi trunks was aiming the gun and it recoiled on him, so you fail nini :notrust

*locks e-son in closet as punishment* v_v

[animefeen]

How many more ep. until the series is over?

[Kira Yamato]

The series is scheduled to be 24 episodes in lenght, some say 26, there were even estimates earlier about 50 episodes, but the current and probably most accurate estimate is as 24 episode series.

[cupnoodles]

that was the adult train. you can tell clearly from the clothes. adult train and chibi train dress differently.

plus they don't need to turn someone chibi to get him to think about his childhood :notrust

[Kira Yamato]

^Yes, because he turns back into an adult in the next episode however there is a scene with him still in chibi form. Please take another look at it, because your obviously not seeing it, but then again, you're the one who said you didn't want to see the episode again, so naturally you wouldn't pay as much attention as I would :noworry

It was the series way of doing it, he also had his flashbacks when he was in chibi form in the manga as well. If you don't like the method, tough...because that's how they went about addressing the matter.

[cupnoodles]

the only thing i see is train holding up his hades and pointing it at something in the preview >_>;;
also a close up view of his eyes...his arms swooping down to save fatso black cat...and that's it.

[Kira Yamato]

Well, Chibi Train was there and he was holding up Hades. I guess well, see whose right when episode 15 comes out. Obviously I'm right, and I'll provide the screencaps to prove it...then you can kneel down and kiss my feet. :noworry

[cupnoodles]

you mean the part where he was pointing hades at someone? that's the adult train, damn it!! XD
oh, so you wanna make a little bet with good ol' cuppie,ssj? >D
*fills the thread with darkness and gloom*
:kukuku
of course, this is refering to whether that part with train holding hades is chibi or not, since you like to bend rules in your favor alot when they're unspoken :notrust

[animefeen]

Kira where did you get those gamecube games from?

[Kira Yamato]

^you're on for the bet. Because that was Chibi Train or is adult Train for you always 3ft?? Oh, and I reccommend you get glasses so you don't feel embarassed when I prove you wrong.

[cupnoodles]

you don't see how tall he is :noworry
all you see is the upper half of his body. and i do believe that's adult train, and when i get back from classes, i shall come to an agreement of what to wager with you :kukuku
prepare to lose :evil

[Kira Yamato]

^you actually have classes? well, wonders never cease :amuse

Yes, I agree to almost any terms to this wager, as long as I get something in equal value for winning.

His face was that of chibi train and soon you'll relaize it as well.

[animefeen]

Umm yeah that was adult train at the end of the ep. even the Dr. along with everyone else was like the effects wore off and princess was like train the hot water did it, you are like instant noodles...

[Kira Yamato]

Yeah, nobody is disputing the fact, we were talking about the spidoe 15 preview that occurred right after it.

[Moridin]

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2281/snapshot200601311504496nw.jpg

[Taxman]

So...what were the wagers for the bet?...xD

You did say episode 14 was subbed, right? I guess I should find a way to get that now so I can determine the answer myself.

[Moridin]

yeh you should :P

various links @ http://www.invisionplus.net/forums/index.php?mforum=oyasumi&act=ST&f=8&t=250

[Kusajishi]

Lol yeah tell us the link please! Ohh and between, couldn't you guys start a thread where all the latest anime episodes is posted? Would be awesome=P

[Taxman]

ok...so after watching that episode and watching the episode preview for 15...I would have to say that you are wrong CJ...xD Train is wearing his adult clothes considering that his chibi clothes didn't have the "pads" on it and the one he is wearing in the episode preview is the one with the pads on it.

[Kira Yamato]

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2281/snapshot200601311504496nw.jpg


It looks like he's young in that pic Ryan :oh

I still don't see how it can be viewed otherwise O_O

[Moridin]

it was my take that it was a chibi train in that preview pic as well. The face looks much younger.

[Taxman]

Yes...the face looks like chibi train but still the clothing is different...ah hell...we'll just find out when the episode is released.

[Chamcham Trigger]

That has to be Chibi Train. If it ends up being like some "clone" Chibi Train, then I'm burning my black cat collection and tossing the ashes in the hudson river.

[Kira Yamato]

^I can't wait till sup-nini sees the pic of chibi Train. That way he can lick my boots and say taht he's wrong and I'm right. It's not so difficult to admit ^_^

[Taxman]

only when they want to prove their e-pops wrong...and they are that stubborn...xD

However, I can see why he doesn't like that episode....*viva la revolution des enfants*

[Chamcham Trigger]

only when they want to prove their e-pops wrong...and they are that stubborn...xD

However, I can see why he doesn't like that episode....*viva la revolution des enfants*
Arg I hate childred :rant.
Oh and Kira...what was the arguement about?

[Taxman]

Basically the same one that we were having. Cuppie believes that train isn't chibi in the next episode...CJ says that the picture that moridin posted proves that chibi form is still there....so...they were going to make a bet but no wagers have come up and cuppie's in class.

[Kira Yamato]

Arg I hate childred :rant.
Oh and Kira...what was the arguement about?


Whether Chibi Trains was shown in the episode 15 preview at all. Cups said he didn't see him at all, but I said otherwise.

[Moridin]

hrm I realised i posted the pic and not actually any opinions on the ep :P I thought it was quite enjoyable really, neat bit of backstory on leons part as well imo. I just hope that the latter part of this episode gets a proper explanation. Train just returning to normal size was a wtf moment

[Kira Yamato]

^exactly, and Eve has a crush on Sven? :S

I shouldn't be surprised since I watch Mai Otome, but wow, didn't quite see that coming. xDD

well, I didn't expect anyone to bring it up :lmao

[Chamcham Trigger]

Whether Chibi Trains was shown in the episode 15 preview at all. Cups said he didn't see him at all, but I said otherwise.
That's a debate worth waiting for a confirmation of Cup saying you're right? I say that's a minor detail considering that it's only a preview and those go by rather fast :noworry.

@Moridin: Nice cap. I almost missed it.

[Moridin]

well, I didn't expect anyone to bring it up

I had taken it for an unspoken agreement that we'd just avoid speaking about it >.<

[Kira Yamato]

That's a debate worth waiting for a confirmation of Cup saying you're right? I say that's a minor detail considering that it's only a preview and those go by rather fast :noworry.




yeah, right [/sarcasm] he's the one who suggested the bet, not me..so all I did was back-up my claim. nothing wrong with that.

@Moridin: lol...I don't remember anyone making that promise :laugh

[Taxman]

*Speaks about it*...:nuts

we are seeing what is supposed to be a father/daughter relationship turn into something much greater....:nuts...she definitely has an elektra complex now and should be counseled. She needs to stop reading books, like oedipus rex...>.>...no wonder she has that idea in her head. Next thing you know, she'll kill rins so she will be the only girl in Sven's life...:nuts....xD

[Kira Yamato]

^I don't think it's that serious XD

In fact she loves Sven and wouldn't disobey him, and she knows that Sven wants her to live a life that doesn't involve killing people. And this is only one in the latest of animes where a girl has a crush on a father figure type, so were getting used to it XDD

[Chamcham Trigger]

iik. Eve's turning into a freaky girl. She's like Arika or something....or did Kira already say that? :huh

[Taxman]

oh...I know that this isn't the first time...but this proves how weird the Japanese are if they are going to throw around the elektra complex around and try to be serious with it. She should just see him as a father figure and not to blush...V_V

[Kira Yamato]

^lol...it looks like you haven't seen Mai Otome, which has the same exact situation. But at least there not blood related so it isn't totally weird :S

[Chamcham Trigger]

In both cases it's weird, especially since eve i slike 10 or something? and Sven is like 30. In Mai otome, it's freeky, but the gap isn't as big as this one.

[Taxman]

^lol...it looks like you haven't seen Mai Otome, which has the same exact situation. But at least there not blood related so it isn't totally weird :S

You should already know that I haven't seen that series...T_T....you know that I've been stuck on FMA for months...it took me forever to finish maburaho and I'm still trying to finish Tenjou Tenge.

[Kira Yamato]

^Well, in Otome, Sergay could have actually gone for it (w/Arika, because Nina would have been too weird), but in Black Cat you know that Sven actually sees Eve as a daughter in his eyes and nothing more.

[cupnoodles]

alright, old fart, ready to lose it all? :kukuku
(didn't think of something to wager cuz he fell asleep during the train ride and in class XD)
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2281/snapshot200601311504496nw.jpg

that's the pic right? as long as that's adult train, i win. if that's chibi, you win. if the anime somehow made him transform half-way, nobody wins.
those are the only rules.

[Kira Yamato]

^Mordin posted a screencap of chibi Train, so yeah, I'm ready for the bet. What will you do for me now that you lost :amuse

[cupnoodles]

i lost? when did i lose? that screen cap is obviously adult train. you'll see :noworry
the real question is what i shall take from you.

[Kira Yamato]

^It's chibi Train and you owe me. V_V

I guess we'll just have to settle this when the raw comes out. Although 2 people agree with me on that opinion :amuse

[cupnoodles]

i told you, i don't care what others think.
i have great faith in my extreme superiority over all humans. :noworry

what i say is the truth. i'm like...creed and you're all my apostle minions =D
don't think for yourself and just listen to as i say, and all shall be fine. :P

though of course, if others want to bet with me, i'm fully willing to take their assets. >D
then again...i only wish to make you suffer more than anyone else, old fart :evil