Sanji Powerups

[mykillbrian]

Since everybody's discussing about Sanji's powerups, I have come up w/ 3 possible suggestions.

1. Sanji + Rokushiki
2. Since his attacks rely on his leg power and most of them come in centrifugal motion(Roundhouse kicks, Reverse Spinning kicks). Ankle weights like Rock Lee is using would be a good item. It makes his kicks heavier and deadlier and when he removed it he becomes even more faster and have better attacks.
3. Combination of both

[diablejambe]

I thinkt he needs Rokushiki and a Seastone pieces on his boots to become imba

[A1zen]

Maybe a 'third leg', train that :awesome



Seriously, rokushi or diable jambe for both legs maybe. Seastone part on his boots, for a harder kick and also against DF users

[Tobirama]

Since the Straw Hats seem to get their inspiration from past opponents, maybe Sanji will do a Mr 2 Bon Clay and stick steel or maybe even seastone shoes on his feet.

[jinjue]

Am I the only one who thinks that Sanji doesn't need any more powerups at this point? He figured out Diable Jambe not all that long ago, relatively speaking, and another powerup so soon after that would be too much too soon, in my opinion. If anything, the only "powerup" that Sanji really could use would be a basic strength/durability/endurance boost to inch him even closer to Luffy and Zoro, both of whom are demonstrably and statistically stronger and more durable than he is. But even that difference between them balances out some as Sanji makes up for his relatively weaker strength and durability with greater speed and agility.

I will say this though, Sanji with rokushiki – sans shigan, of course, for obvious reasons – would be a beast.

[Tobirama]

Am I the only one who thinks that Sanji doesn't need any more powerups at this point? He figured out Diable Jambe not all that long ago, relatively speaking, and another powerup so soon after that would be too much too soon, in my opinion. If anything, the only "powerup" that Sanji really could use would be a basic strength/durability/endurance boost to inch him even closer to Luffy and Zoro, both of whom are demonstrably and statistically stronger and more durable than he is. But even that difference between them balances out some as Sanji makes up for his relatively weaker strength and durability with greater speed and agility.

I will say this though, Sanji with rokushiki – sans shigan, of course, for obvious reasons – would be a beast.

He didn't really do anything new in Thriller Bark. Also, a lot of people believe the Merman Island arc (which is probably where they are going next) will be Sanji-centric, to a degree.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Sanji needs to learn black leg style

or lose one of his legs (or possibly both) and instead get some cybernetic ones

[Powdered Toast Man]

Sanji doesn't need powerups...just piss him off and it's a guaranteed win. Sanji never loses unless it's a woman, he probably has the best win-loss record in the SH's..

[youngmiyn]

he should put impact dials in his shoes

[jinjue]

He didn't really do anything new in Thriller Bark.
Neither did Zoro or Luffy or anyone else, as far as noticeable powerups go. For the record, I don't consider Nightmare Luffy to be a powerup because it was only temporary and it's not like Luffy will ever be able to use it again. Nor do I really consider Zoro getting a third sword to be a powerup either, even though Shuusui is a notably stronger blade than Yubashiri.

Also, a lot of people believe the Merman Island arc (which is probably where they are going next) will be Sanji-centric, to a degree.
As do I, though I'm hoping that it would have more to do with Sanji's dream than anything else.

Sanji needs to learn black leg style
I'm kinda confused by this statement. I mean, Sanji is the Black Leg. :headscrat

Sanji doesn't need powerups...just piss him off and it's a guaranteed win.
This is pretty true, come to think of it. Once Sanji gets pissed off he doesn't dick around and moves straight into blitzkrieg mode, which we've seen as early as Arlong Park with his fight against Kuroobi.

[Jin22]

I'll go ahead and agree with the concensus, I would love to see Sanji get a Rokushiki-like attack.

[A1zen]

Neither did Zoro or Luffy or anyone else, as far as noticeable powerups go. For the record, I don't consider Nightmare Luffy to be a powerup because it was only temporary and it's not like Luffy will ever be able to use it again. Nor do I really consider Zoro getting a third sword to be a powerup either, even though Shuusui is a notably stronger blade than Yubashiri.


As do I, though I'm hoping that it would have more to do with Sanji's dream than anything else.


I'm kinda confused by this statement. I mean, Sanji is the Black Leg. :headscrat


This is pretty true, come to think of it. Once Sanji gets pissed off he doesn't dick around and moves straight into blitzkrieg mode, which we've seen as early as Arlong Park with his fight against Kuroobi.

Luffy's improvement was combining his two gears, 2 and 3.
Getting a stronger sword made zoro a bit better, his pound canons improved and also his durability improved.
Sanji might have improved a little, the multiple diable jambe kick from sanji. Not so sure if thats an improvement though....

[mykillbrian]

anyone considering sanji might be using ankle weights or 1k lbs shoes? or he might be using them already and he'll be removing them in the next arc for faster attacks.

[mykillbrian]

I'll go ahead and agree with the concensus, I would love to see Sanji get a Rokushiki-like attack.

not the complete rokushiki, he might only be learning soru and geppou. Geppou suits him well.

[Mullet_Power]

I think Sanji's Diable Jamble is strong enough as is

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/477/011.jpg

Deflecting OZ's Gomu Gomu no Bazooka is friggin crazy

[jinjue]

Luffy's improvement was combining his two gears, 2 and 3.
Getting a stronger sword made zoro a bit better, his pound canons improved and also his durability improved.
Sanji might have improved a little, the multiple diable jambe kick from sanji. Not so sure if thats an improvement though....
This is probably just an disagreement of semantics on my part, but I don't consider those to be powerups so much as they are improvements. Id est, I think that Luffy figuring out how to use Gears was a powerup, whereas refining the effectiveness of said Gears was an improvement on a pre-existing powerup and not another powerup in and of itself. I'm also unwilling to consider Zoro trading up one of his swords to be a powerup as it's just a getting better sword, not a whole new skill set. But that's just how I choose to define it; feel free to disagree.

In any case, I do think that Sanji improved upon his powerup since Enies Lobby as well. Not only is his Diable Jambe now powerful enough to deflect something as strong as Oz's Gomu Gomu no Bazooka dead on, as Mullet Power's scan clearly shows, but unless I'm mistaken it also looks like a genuine ranged attack as well. If that truly is the case then it would be Sanji's first shown ranged attack, which increases his combat effectiveness overall as until Thriller Bark he was the only one of the Monster Trio that didn't have any ranged attacks.

anyone considering sanji might be using ankle weights or 1k lbs shoes?
With all due respect, I really don't think that ankle weights or weighted shoes would affect Sanji's attack power much, given his already insane level of superhuman strength and speed. The weights he would have to use would need to be so heavy that they'd be almost comically huge on his feet.

not the complete rokushiki, he might only be learning soru and geppou. Geppou suits him well.
I'd rather Sanji not recycle rokushiki myself, though I do agree that the martial art suits him and his style of fighting. Despite that, I do have to say that Sanji with soru would be ridiculously, nay, almost stupidly fast; even without soru he was easily able to keep pace with and even outrun transformed Jyabura, the third strongest member of CP9, and he made Calipha look like a snail by comparison. Given that, I'd shudder to think about how fast he would be with if he actually used something like soru to increase his speed.

[Eldritch]

Diable jambe rankyaku would be a sight to see.

But as for the weights, that's a stupid idea. The oldest idea of dragon ball, recycled by Kishimoto. If oda wanted to pull a weight training thing he would have pulled it at the start. Also 1k weights would make sanji break the ship when he walks.

[Gary]

sea stone always wanted that on his feet

[mystictrunks]

Knives. New Shoes.

[Jetstorm]

Am I the only one who thinks that Sanji doesn't need any more powerups at this point? He figured out Diable Jambe not all that long ago, relatively speaking, and another powerup so soon after that would be too much too soon, in my opinion. If anything, the only "powerup" that Sanji really could use would be a basic strength/durability/endurance boost to inch him even closer to Luffy and Zoro, both of whom are demonstrably and statistically stronger and more durable than he is. But even that difference between them balances out some as Sanji makes up for his relatively weaker strength and durability with greater speed and agility.

I will say this though, Sanji with rokushiki – sans shigan, of course, for obvious reasons – would be a beast.

I agree with every word in this post. :nod

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

I dont want Sanji to get another power up ... but i think he is gonna get one in the next arc.

He probably will show his ultimate technique in the next arc .... he wouldn't want to be held back when compared to Zoro, specially when he got owned so easily by him.

I am somehow not inclined for Sanji to learn Roukushki techniques because it would be like a plot hole because of 2 reasons :

1. It takes a long time and a lot of training to learn them and him learning these while travelling with the SH would be antithetical IMO.
2. I am expecting them to become redundant soon ... Garp was at a whole different level when compared to Jyabura and weren't the CP9 flouted as users who had perfected these techniques ??
Someone mentioned with Oda will probably come up with something else to explain it ... so as of now, I dont want Sanji to get Rokushiki unless he uses something radical like Gear 2 which obviously not possible for Sanji

[mykillbrian]

i thought of another idea for his power up/level up since most of u guys disagree w/ the rokushiki and also about the weights. how about sanji displaying his best fighting arts ever called the ultimate kenpo.

we've heard of the merman kenpo w/ was beaten by his own kempo at the arlong arc. theres also the okama kenpo w/c bon clay used. And finally the tekkai kenpo.

we can finally see how effective his fighting arts here and also see why red feet zeff was once one of the most feared pirates in Grand Line. and maybe a secret technique better then diable jambe.

Plus in the next arc, we might be able to watch sanji fighting somebody, hopefully jimbei, w/ better merman kenpo.

pls correct me if its kenpo or kempo or whatever.

[diablejambe]

He probably will show his ultimate technique in the next arc

Oh my gosh.. what should that be? Maybe a fullbody diable jambe.. but when I think of it he needs only his legs fired..
I dont know about rokushiki or kenpos but the idea for pieces seastone on his boots just cracks me upsmile-big

[youngmiyn]

both feet will burn when he gets his next power up

[jinjue]

He probably will show his ultimate technique in the next arc .... he wouldn't want to be held back when compared to Zoro, specially when he got owned so easily by him.
I think that it's way, way, way too early for any of the characters to be showing any kind of "ultimate technique" in the next arc. We're only halfway through the series; if one of the Strawhats' top fighters plateaus out before even hitting the New World then the balance of power between all three of them becomes severely and permanently disrupted. Either Sanji tops out at being equal to or slightly better than current Luffy and Zoro, which will make him next to useless as a fighter as the series progresses ever onward, or Sanji blazes so far beyond current Luffy and Zoro that it would take them years to catch up. Either way, it's a bad idea at this point in the series because no matter what happens it'll end up limiting what Oda could do with the character in the next ten or so years. In addition to all of that, it will also completely destroy any chance for a continued rivalry between Zoro and Sanji, which I think is an inherent part of both of their characters.

Also, I wouldn't exactly call an extremely beat up Zoro cheap shotting an extremely beat up Sanji to knock him out "owning" him. I know a lot of people like to look at it that way, but to me that was in no way a fair fight, let alone an applicable combat feat. As far as I can remember, the only time Zoro ever "owned" Sanji outright was in the fifth movie, which in addition to being non-canon was also completely ass, in my opinion. Thank the maker that movie six was able to so completely right the wrong that was movie five in the name of all that was good and proper and nakama-y.

[sanji's left eye]

I think that it's way, way, way too early for any of the characters to be showing any kind of "ultimate technique" in the next arc. We're only halfway through the series; if one of the Strawhats' top fighters plateaus out before even hitting the New World then the balance of power between all three of them becomes severely and permanently disrupted. Either Sanji tops out at being equal to or slightly better than current Luffy and Zoro, which will make him next to useless as a fighter as the series progresses ever onward, or Sanji blazes so far beyond current Luffy and Zoro that it would take them years to catch up. Either way, it's a bad idea at this point in the series because no matter what happens it'll end up limiting what Oda could do with the character in the next ten or so years. In addition to all of that, it will also completely destroy any chance for a continued rivalry between Zoro and Sanji, which I think is an inherent part of both of their characters.

Also, I wouldn't exactly call an extremely beat up Zoro cheap shotting an extremely beat up Sanji to knock him out "owning" him. I know a lot of people like to look at it that way, but to me that was in no way a fair fight, let alone an applicable combat feat. As far as I can remember, the only time Zoro ever "owned" Sanji outright was in the fifth movie, which in addition to being non-canon was also completely ass, in my opinion. Thank the maker that movie six was able to so completely right the wrong that was movie five in the name of all that was good and proper and nakama-y.

i completely and utterly agree with this and sanji's leg power has definitely improved since EL. sanji deflected wat was possibly oz's most powerful attack not to mention he took a full power gomu gomu no gatling, ursa shock, being impaled by absolom, and attacked by oz after fighting with absolom. he shows great durablity and strenght feats this arc that i doubt he was able to do in EL. oh yeah and he was still able to get up after all of that!!!

[Shoddragon]

As far as I can remember, the only time Zoro ever "owned" Sanji outright was in the fifth movie, which in addition to being non-canon was also completely ass, in my opinion. Thank the maker that movie six was able to so completely right the wrong that was movie five in the name of all that was good and proper and nakama-y.

this made me LOL so hard. mostly because I've never hard a girl just outright say " it was ass" .

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

I think that it's way, way, way too early for any of the characters to be showing any kind of "ultimate technique" in the next arc. We're only halfway through the series; if one of the Strawhats' top fighters plateaus out before even hitting the New World then the balance of power between all three of them becomes severely and permanently disrupted. Either Sanji tops out at being equal to or slightly better than current Luffy and Zoro, which will make him next to useless as a fighter as the series progresses ever onward, or Sanji blazes so far beyond current Luffy and Zoro that it would take them years to catch up. Either way, it's a bad idea at this point in the series because no matter what happens it'll end up limiting what Oda could do with the character in the next ten or so years. In addition to all of that, it will also completely destroy any chance for a continued rivalry between Zoro and Sanji, which I think is an inherent part of both of their characters.

Also, I wouldn't exactly call an extremely beat up Zoro cheap shotting an extremely beat up Sanji to knock him out "owning" him. I know a lot of people like to look at it that way, but to me that was in no way a fair fight, let alone an applicable combat feat. As far as I can remember, the only time Zoro ever "owned" Sanji outright was in the fifth movie, which in addition to being non-canon was also completely ass, in my opinion. Thank the maker that movie six was able to so completely right the wrong that was movie five in the name of all that was good and proper and nakama-y.

Well, Zoro showed his "ougi" which means his ultimate technique way back when he fought Mihawk .... he has developed a lot since then but his ultimate technique remained the same when he used it once again while fighting Oz.

I was thinking that Sanji should atleast start working on his techniques .... he may not perfect it the first time but he needs something to compare the improvement that Zoro and Luffy got over the EL arc. Its just that Sanji's fighting techniques arent discussed too often . I want some insights into how he develops them :pek

Well, we will never get a full fledged fight between the two of them so those who believe Zoro > Sanji will show this as a canonical evidence in favor of their argument. The data book says Luffy = Zoro so Zoro > Sanji by implication :zaru

[jinjue]

oh yeah and he was still able to get up after all of that!!!
Until Zoro cheap shotted him in the kidney and completely knocked him out, that is. Oh, Sanji. He never wins at life. :lmao

this made me LOL so hard. mostly because I've never hard a girl just outright say " it was ass" .
Well, it was. Ass, that is. Also, haven't you ever seen any of my other posts? I can and often do cuss like a sailor. No, like a pirate! Arrrr.

Well, Zoro showed his "ougi" which means his ultimate technique way back when he fought Mihawk .... he has developed a lot since then but his ultimate technique remained the same when he used it once again while fighting Oz.
I never considered Zoro's "Ougi" to be a truly ultimate technique, just another one of his moves that he's been improving upon over the years. Ultimate techniques to me are the final, strongest skill sets and/or moves that a character learns near the end of any given series, not just a move that gets improved over time to be ever more powerful. So we'll just have to agree to disagree there.

I was thinking that Sanji should atleast start working on his techniques .... he may not perfect it the first time but he needs something to compare the improvement that Zoro and Luffy got over the EL arc.
He did get something to compare: Diable Jambe. Diable Jambe absolutely destroyed transformed Jyabura's tekkai kenpo at Enies Lobby and in Thriller Bark proved itself strong enough to deflect Oz's Gomu Gomu no Bazooka head on. It also gave Sanji his first ranged attack, as the previously referenced scan from Mullet Power shows. It might not be as impressive as Luffy's Gears, but trying to make the claim that Sanji hasn't improved at all over Enies Lobby is just...no. Even without that specific powerup, it's also fairly safe to say that Sanji also received a generic strength/speed/durability/endurance boost over Enies Lobby as well, so there's that too.

Also, what does Asura do anyway? I always assumed that it was just an illusion manifested by Zoro's warrior spirit to confuse/terrify the enemy by giving the impression that he's wielding nine swords all at once. Does anyone know if it actually does anything more than that? Che, that whole Asura thing confuses me. :sweatdrop

Well, we will never get a full fledged fight between the two of them so those who believe Zoro > Sanji will show this as a canonical evidence in favor of their argument. The data book says Luffy = Zoro so Zoro > Sanji by implication :zaru
Of course not, and if we did I'd give it to Zoro in the end, though it would be long fought, hard won and brutal. However, for use as a feat the cheap kidney shot at the end of Thriller Bark should hardly apply as it isn't exactly the best measure of anything, given their respective conditions. A fair fight, it was not. Also, I never felt that Luffy = Zoro, regardless of what the Databooks claim. The old stats from Red are worthless and obsolete and have been almost since the moment it was published, and the claim from Yellow that Luffy and Zoro are equal in combat ability doesn't necessarily mean that Luffy = Zoro. If Luffy and Zoro were to go all out, I'd give it to Luffy in the end after a long, hard fight, just as I'd give it to Zoro were he to really fight Sanji.

But I don't want to get into that, because the Zoro fanboys tend to swarm like maggots on a rotting corpse whenever the topic comes up. So that's the last I will say on that subject.

[sanji's left eye]

Of course not, and if we did I'd give it to Zoro in the end, though it would be long fought, hard won and brutal. However, for use as a feat the cheap kidney shot at the end of Thriller Bark should hardly apply as it isn't exactly the best measure of anything, given their respective conditions. A fair fight, it was not. Also, I never felt that Luffy = Zoro, regardless of what the Databooks claim. The old stats from Red are worthless and obsolete and have been almost since the moment it was published, and the claim from Yellow that Luffy and Zoro are equal in combat ability doesn't necessarily mean that Luffy = Zoro. If Luffy and Zoro were to go all out, I'd give it to Luffy in the end after a long, hard fight, just as I'd give it to Zoro were he to really fight Sanji.

But I don't want to get into that, because the Zoro fanboys tend to swarm like maggots on a rotting corpse whenever the topic comes up. So that's the last I will say on that subject.

haha so true

[Mullet_Power]

I don't see Zoro > Sanji to be honest. EL pretty much proved to me that Zoro = Sanji. Zorro had alot of trouble with Kaku who was only a slightly higher Douriki and had just gotten his DF. Sanji pretty much owned the shit out of Jyabura the whole fight.

[mykillbrian]

So in summary,in the next arc w/c is in merman island, we might NOT see sanji having a power ups but improvements, am i right? we might see him display more of his techniques as well.

[Rashou]

I don't see Zoro > Sanji to be honest. EL pretty much proved to me that Zoro = Sanji. Zorro had alot of trouble with Kaku who was only a slightly higher Douriki and had just gotten his DF. Sanji pretty much owned the shit out of Jyabura the whole fight.
That kind of thing always seems to happen. Zoro struggles and barely wins his fight while Sanji is able to walk out all cool. Granted, the only other arc where Zoro wouldn't be excused is Alabasta (in Arlong Park he was half dead before the fight anyway). Though in all fairness, Sanji never really faces opponents that can make you bleed and deal really lethal damage- Zoro's always going against other swordsmen, so it makes sense that he struggles more as he's bleeding by the first ten seconds of a fight.

[AbnormallyNormal]

maybe he can shoot fireballs when he kicks

[Royal King]

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Also, what does Asura do anyway? I always assumed that it was just an illusion manifested by Zoro's warrior spirit to confuse/terrify the enemy by giving the impression that he's wielding nine swords all at once. Does anyone know if it actually does anything more than that? Che, that whole Asura thing confuses me. :sweatdrop

Your right on the mark with the illusion well this explains it better then I do so here a link an some quotes.

http://www.thegrandline.com/zoroprofile.html

Zoro reveals the fierce demon fighting spirit within him as Asura, the stance that allows him to perform his powerful Nine Sword School attacks. This is not an attack, merely a stance or form. As of this writing since not much has been seen of him in this form we cannot know for certain yet but 'Asura' may precede the name of any attack while in said state. Thus it may be similar to how he announces, "Two sword school", or, "Three sword school", etc. before a normal attack. The data book One Piece Yellow made a point to put a space between Asura and the name of his first attack, Ichibugin, so I will follow suit until we find out otherwise.

Zoro fiercely slashes through anything in his path seemingly reducing all to mist and lands a terrfying finishing blow to his opponent's weak spot with the full force of his three blades. While in the Asura state, his appearance makes it impossible to discern which sword is real and which is his spirit. Any chance of an effective block is rendered almost useless.

Can You Dig It?

[jinjue]

I don't see Zoro > Sanji to be honest. EL pretty much proved to me that Zoro = Sanji.
I do think that Zoro does have an edge in combat over Sanji overall, but that the edge is almost but not quite negligibly slight. However, I think their respective skills balance out; Zoro clearly has more strength, endurance and range, but I think it's just as safe to say that Sanji has greater speed, agility and intelligence. Their durability is probably somewhat even, as Zoro is not an extreme durability beast like some people think; he just has insane levels of endurance.

In addition to that, I don't think that the gap of power between them is as huge as most people seem to think simply because it would negatively affect their character dynamic and interaction with each other. Zoro and Sanji would never make convincing or worthwhile rivals if Zoro was so far above Sanji in fighting ability that he eclipses him completely. Sanji's not stupid (sometimes) and I imagine that he's a capable enough fighter that he would know if Zoro was purposely going easy on him, even when they're just brawling 'for fun', as it were. So if Oda ever plans on making Zoro that much more powerful than Sanji, he may as well throw their rivalry dynamic out the window for all the worth it'd have.

Zorro had alot of trouble with Kaku who was only a slightly higher Douriki and had just gotten his DF. Sanji pretty much owned the shit out of Jyabura the whole fight.
Don't forget that Sanji by that point had already been beaten up, and beaten up badly, by Califa and had only just recovered before facing Jyabura. Also, Jyabura had carnivorous zoan while Kaku's zoan was an herbivorous ruminant, meaning that Jyabura's Devil Fruit ability was not only more experienced than Kaku's, it was also inherently more aggressive and bloodthirsty.

mykillbrian - that's what I'm assuming, yes.

Zoro struggles and barely wins his fight while Sanji is able to walk out all cool.
I've noticed this as well. Perhaps Zoro has a masochistic blood fetish? He does tend to bleed an awful lot, after all.

Though in all fairness, Sanji never really faces opponents that can make you bleed and deal really lethal damage [...]
I'm sorry, but I'm forced to disagree with you here. Way back in the Baratie arc Gin was tearing Sanji up with those cannonball tonfa things, Mr. 2 Bon Clay had kicks as powerful as rifle shots when he put his steel tipped swans on his shoes, and Jyabura had that whole clawed juu-shigan thing. None of those opponents were swordsmen, but they were all more than capable of making someone bleed and doing really lethal damage.

AbnormallyNormal - I think that Sanji's Diable Jambe: Frit Assortie already allows him to do that. Of course I could just be interpreting the image wrong, but it does look like a genuine ranged attack to me.

Your right on the mark with the illusion [...]
Ah, good. I thought that was the case judging from what I've actually seen of it, but I've been hearing so much conflicting information about it from various sides that I found it all too confusing in the end. Still, I think that at this point it's impossible to determine just what exactly the Asura stance is capable of, simply because we've seen so little of it compared to Luffy's Gears or Sanji's Diable Jambe. Perhaps when we see more of it, its strength and capabilities will become even more apparent.

Can You Dig It?
Fuck yeah, Cyrus!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dw9yEuwohkk
Ahh, how I love that movie. :amuse

[Royal King]

Classic just classic.