Pain v. Itachi, Kisame

[Luchini]

(apologies if it's already been done)

i think most can agree, alone either would be stomped, but how about together? I think it'd be interesting. it'd be close but i'd have to go with the duo.

[Tasmanian Tiger]

lol, Pain. Still 6 Bodies are enough to handle them.


Who know what other Massive jutsus Rinnegan has.


They have many abilities together: One can summon, one has good taijutsu, one can absord Attacks, others can use ninjutsu, and they all share the same vision.

[Purble Place]

I'd go for pein, but Itachi and Kisame would bring Pein an inch close to his death.

[zabuza666]

Pein wins!!!

[Noble Avenger]

STOP GIVING ITACHI PARTNERS when fighting anyone. It isn't fair...if the person is even decent he should be able to beat anyone not named Madara.

He and Kisame each make 5 Bushins. They rape-stomp each of Pein's shit bodies 2 on 1.

[Jesus]

^ so much hate lol.:P

Pain takes it alone :LOS

[Noble Avenger]

^ so much hate lol.:P

Pain takes it alone :LOSIt's not hate at all. Individually analyze Pein's bodies, and you'll see that alone none of them are any better than Elite Jounin. The only one that could stand alone as a member of Akatsuki would be the summoning body, and even that body would be one of Akatsuki's weakest members. Take into account that Itachi matches up TREMENDOUSLY with that one-dimensional body, and Itachi and Kisame bushins can easily dismantle the various bodies 2 on 1. And the faster Pein's individual bodies fall, the more difficult the fight becomes to win.

With the speed Itachi catches people in genjutsu, I have a hard time seeing this as a very difficult fight for the duo. At least as long as the bodies stay somewhat separated.

[Grimmjowsensei]

PAin takes this.

[.Nagato.]

Pein!!! He cannot be beat!

[Rubicon007]

Pein can be beat and let's face it, Itachi and Kisame have all the skills at their disposal to do it convincingly.

Pein's summon body - Against Itachi, summons are fodder if Sasuke is capable of making Manda fodder.

Pein's taijutsu body - Don't make me laugh. It's useless against Itachi and Kisame, two of the best taijutsu users we've seen.

Absorbing body - Useful for absorbing water/fire jutsu's but how about a genjutsu or samehada?

Pein's fate lies with the other 3 bodies, one with a rocket arm (WTF, lol) and 2 unknowns.

2 kage bunshins and 2 mizu bunshins take care of the numbers disadvantage if needed.

From what we've seen from Pein so far, he gets beat and to be honest, I haven't seen anyone who could beat them alone at the same time.

Just because Pein has a better chance than almost anyone else, doesn't mean he can do it, especially going by what he's shown so far.

[maximilyan]

6 bodied pein = GG.
3 v 1
3 v 1

Kisame and itachi lose.

[Luchini]

LMAO @ the rocket arm.

but yea i agree for the most part, but then again pain still has ALOT of factors that would possibly turn the tide in his favor; those screwy black sword thingys, full extent of the rinnegan, REVIVAL, and said rocket arm just to name a few...

[-Deidara-]

Pain Wins This One.

[Kuroro]

Pein's summon body - Against Itachi, summons are fodder if Sasuke is capable of making Manda fodder.

Sasuke made Manda fodder because Sasuke could summon Manda whenever he wanted, would be on top of Manda's head, and Manda wouldn't expect his own summoner to attack him. If Manda knew that Sasuke would genjutsu him to wonderland priorhand, Sasuke wouldn't be able to do anything to the boss summon.

[fghj]

Sasuke made Manda fodder because Sasuke could summon Manda whenever he wanted, would be on top of Manda's head, and Manda wouldn't expect his own summoner to attack him. If Manda knew that Sasuke would genjutsu him to wonderland priorhand, Sasuke wouldn't be able to do anything to the boss summon.
Unless rinengan is immune to sharingan, Itachi would genjutsu all summons.

[Kuroro]

Unless rinengan is immune to sharingan, Itachi would genjutsu all summons.

Itachi can only genjutsu one summon at a time. Pein sees whatever his summons see and he controls them in accordance with whatever the situation requires. Itachi doesn't genjutsu all summons because he will not be allowed the opportunity to do so, and furthermore, it would probably be a bad idea to genjutsu every summon because it would leave him open to attack.

[Luchini]

Unless rinengan is immune to sharingan, Itachi would genjutsu all summons.

even so, i don't even picture Pain relying on summons that much so i dont see them being a factor in this battle. well unless he uses them to spam @ kisame and keep him busy while he deals with itachi...

[Distracted]

Can Itachi and Kisame win? Yes, I don't doubt that.

Will they? That's an entirely different issue.

The problem here is Knowledge. If Pein sends 3 of his bodies out and they use summons, absorption, and whatever the other body could do. They can fight Itachi and Kisame to a relative standstill until they go all out.

Obviously Itachi and Kisame will defeat these 3 bodies, but once they walk away. Suddenly those 3 are back up and 3 more are joining the fight. All of this while Itachi and Kisame may be worn out.

and Pein is very likely to still have more to show. If the 6 bodies is all there is to Pein, then Kisame and Itachi should win, if they aren't, then Pein wins.

[fghj]

You guys forget Pain has 5 bodies now :P

[Noble Avenger]

Itachi can only genjutsu one summon at a time. Pein sees whatever his summons see and he controls them in accordance with whatever the situation requires. Itachi doesn't genjutsu all summons because he will not be allowed the opportunity to do so, and furthermore, it would probably be a bad idea to genjutsu every summon because it would leave him open to attack.Itachi can easily genjutsu more than one summon by employing the same ravens he used to genjtusu Naruto. They carried his Sharingan, and i nthe manner they dispersed, it seems Itachi is capable of doing something like what Kabuto did at the Chuunin exams...only the individual genjutsus on each person are actually quite powerful.

Not to mention that (oddly enough) genjutsuing large/boss summons demands little to no chakra.

[copycat123]

Unless rinengan is immune to sharingan, Itachi would genjutsu all summons.


By the time Itachi genjutsus all his summons, he will realize he already grew angel wings and a halo on his head.

with Itachi's chakra capacity, genjutsu all the summons... LOL

[copycat123]

Itachi can easily genjutsu more than one summon by employing the same ravens he used to genjtusu Naruto. They carried his Sharingan, and i nthe manner they dispersed, it seems Itachi is capable of doing something like what Kabuto did at the Chuunin exams...only the individual genjutsus on each person are actually quite powerful.

Not to mention that (oddly enough) genjutsuing large/boss summons demands little to no chakra.

If you are referring to Sasuke's case, then I will drop it. That to me seemed like the manga was desperate to save its Cinderella (I mean sasuke) chakra or no chakra.

If it drains Itachi to MS a person whose chakra level should be < a boss summon (at the very least a summon should have the same level of chakra as a normal human if not way more), then I don't see Itachi smoking a cigar and spamming MS at every summon Pein's throws at him.

[Kuroro]

Itachi can easily genjutsu more than one summon by employing the same ravens he used to genjtusu Naruto. They carried his Sharingan, and i nthe manner they dispersed, it seems Itachi is capable of doing something like what Kabuto did at the Chuunin exams...only the individual genjutsus on each person are actually quite powerful.

Naruto made eye-contact with Itachi here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/365/16/). And Itachi hasn't shown the ability to cast genjutsu with an AoE.

Not to mention that (oddly enough) genjutsuing large/boss summons demands little to no chakra.

As far as we know, Sharingan genjutsu doesn't require a lot of chakra unless you use something like Tsukuyomi. And keep in mind that Manda wouldn't be expecting his own summoner to attack him when he would have been confused as to what was occuring because of the explosion. Genjutsuing a confused, unsuspecting boss summon wouldn't require a lot of chakra, not when you have eyes with the power that Sasuke wields.

[sworder]

Itachi and Kisame wins. Pain's advantage against anyone is their perfect teamwork, but when fighting two people with completely different styles that perfectly compliment each other, Pain doesn't stand much of a chance right now.

Pain's bodies need to be together, if anything. For example, where will fatty be? He's the only one that can resist ninjutsu. But not only that, one of those teams will also have one useless body because fatty can't attack. Itachi can do everything, Kisame can't do genjutsu but Pain doesn't know any.

He'd get raped. That's assuming Pain knows other abilities too. Here in the battledome, where Pain only has 3 bodies to have shown anything, he can't win.

[zabuza666]

STOP GIVING ITACHI PARTNERS when fighting anyone. It isn't fair...if the person is even decent he should be able to beat anyone not named Madara.

He and Kisame each make 5 Bushins. They rape-stomp each of Pein's shit bodies 2 on 1.

So Itachi is gonna split his chakra and leave himself with 20% and still win? Not to mention the fact that bunshins get killed on one hit.

[zabuza666]

Itachi can easily genjutsu more than one summon by employing the same ravens he used to genjtusu Naruto. They carried his Sharingan, and i nthe manner they dispersed, it seems Itachi is capable of doing something like what Kabuto did at the Chuunin exams...only the individual genjutsus on each person are actually quite powerful.

Not to mention that (oddly enough) genjutsuing large/boss summons demands little to no chakra.

Aren't the ravens part of Itachi's genjutsu?

[Elite Uchiha]

The only way to beat Pein is to destroy all of his bodies at the same time basically or else he would just resummon them back to full status. That is something Itachi + Kisame cant do.

[Vangelis]

Itachi and Kisame would win.

[Elite Uchiha]

You cant tie someone that can just resummon his dead bodies over and over again.

[Empirejoao]

There has to be some condition for ressurecting his bodies...

No one (not even all Hokages combined lol) could beat him if he can just ressurect like that


Nevertheless, Pein would win.

[sworder]

Jiraiya killed the summoner body, he must obviously have a limit.

[Elite Uchiha]

Yet the bodies were resummoned at the end of the fite looking like nothing ever happened?

[iander]

He can probably only revive them when one or a specific body is in close proximity. The one that Jiraiya killed was inside his barrier and could not be revived. I find it funny though that Itach said that if he and Kisame fought Jiraiya it would be a tie and Jiraiya was killed by Pein. I still think Pein would win but it would be a really tough fight for him.

[fghj]

Yet the bodies were resummoned at the end of the fite looking like nothing ever happened?
5 bodies here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/13/

[Noble Avenger]

Naruto made eye-contact with Itachi here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/365/16/). And Itachi hasn't shown the ability to cast genjutsu with an AoE.1. We don't know whether Naruto made contact with Itachi or not, but we do know he wasn't genjutsu'd in that instance. He was still able to coordinate a KB attack, and never felt like he was in genjutsu until he looked the crows/ravens in the eyes. That is an AoE genjutsu.

As far as we know, Sharingan genjutsu doesn't require a lot of chakra unless you use something like Tsukuyomi. And keep in mind that Manda wouldn't be expecting his own summoner to attack him when he would have been confused as to what was occuring because of the explosion. Genjutsuing a confused, unsuspecting boss summon wouldn't require a lot of chakra, not when you have eyes with the power that Sasuke wields.And? The summons Pein had showed no propsensity for thinking. Expecting it or not is irrelevent, it wouldn't prevent them from looking Itachi in the face. If he can fucking force genjutsu upon the most elite Shinobi we see, he can get a slobering dog or flying lobster to succumb to his might.
Aren't the ravens part of Itachi's genjutsu?No, because Karin and Hebi were able to see them fleeing the cave after Itachi/Sasuke's little exchange.
So Itachi is going to fight at 20%Umm, yes. The only tech he uses that requires much chakra is MS, something he doesn't need vs Pein's individual bodies. We've seen him dismantle Dei/Oro without the use of it (or ANY exertion for that matter), and we've seen what a 30% Itachi could supposedly do to someone on Kakashi's level. Not to mention that he has KISAME with him, fighting a bunch of shitty individual fighters.

Yea, they stomp. It'd be MUCH more interesting to actually simulate a 1 on 1 battle. 15% Itachi's (roughly) vs those individual Peins.
If you are referring to Sasuke's case, then I will drop it. That to me seemed like the manga was desperate to save its Cinderella (I mean sasuke) chakra or no chakra.Fine, drop it. But don't be immature and use that bitchy cop-out. Regular Sharingan genjutsu has NEVER taken a toll on Sasuke or Itachi, so why would it then. It doesn't matter how much chakra the person has, if their control is paltry. Look at fucking Naruto. All the chakra in the world, couldn't freaking stop Kabuto's feather genjutsu that had its effect spread out across an ENTIRE STADIUM of people.

Itachi and Kisame stomp, with very little to worry about. Then they go into other villages, pwning more Jounin that are supposed to be badass. :amuse