Zoro vs Sanji

[Kiba Inuzuka]

Situation 1: Both can use whatever has been shown

Situation 2: Both at Enies Lobby level

Situation 3: No Power Ups

Situation 4: Sanji is given a pair of Grieve Edges (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SxYnEQTszN8) (If you have questions about the weapon ask)

[Eldritch]

Situation 1: Zoro.
Situation 2: Zoro, or depending on whether diable jambe or ashura gives a direct hit
Situation 3: Sanji. Sanji doesn't need a power up unless it's to break tekkai. >:

[Vance]

kiba u r my cuz

This has nothing to do with the thread.

Anyway, Zoro wins this.

[cp9luchi]

I really couldn't decide of a winner, it's like tossing a coin, but after Zoro's badass factor in the latest chapter is making me lean with him

[goldsaint13]

Zoro wins all the 3 fights...
Sanji is the second strongest of the crew... Not by much maybe, but so he is...

Well, Zoro has to fight seriously to defeat him, but he would make it...

We can say:

Bandanaless Zoro without swords vs Sanji : Sanji wins
Bandanaless Zoro with 1 or 2 swords vs Sanji: Draw match
Bandana Zoro with 3 swords vs Sanji: Zoro wins

[MIHAWK]

if u go in the luffy vs zoro thread in the first page there is a translation from the yellow databook that proves zoro and luffy as equals

sanji isn't in that league,the red databook proved that

zoro takes all 3 occasions

[Ark 16.5]

argh...all 3 ocasion go to Zoro, thought situation number 3 might be closse, in my opinion Zoro can take a lot more punishment from sanji and deal a lot more damage....argh

[Dragon (banned)]

Jesus.....zoro can take two sanjis.

[MuNaZ]

zoro at this moment takes this but i believe next arc things will change :awesome

[diablejambe]

The moment Sanji tries to kick Zoro his legs fall on the ground

[Pimp of Pimps]

I'm one of those guys that believe that Luffy = Zoro and that Sanji falls closely behind.

[Hawk eyes]

I'm one of those guys that believe that Luffy = Zoro and that Sanji falls closely behind.

I'm under the same impression. Which means Zoro wins in all 3 situations, however harsh that may sound.

The problem Sanji has is range. A hand to hand fighter will always struggle against a swordsman. The only way the advantage is alleviated is if there is a sufficient gap in speed. Sanji's slight speed advantage isn't sufficient enough, what's worse is when we consider Zoro's above supernormal reactions.

Sanji's latest Diable Jambe attack helps in the range department, but even that isn't enough, since he wouldn't be able to pull it off on a consistent basis.

Luffy fairs well against Zoro because he can stretch. Also Gear second's boost of attack speed would give even Zoro's reaction a run for its money. That fight is a complete toss up. This isn't I'm afraid.

[MIHAWK]

Jesus.....zoro can take two sanjis.

lol,nah,sanji is close to luffy and zoro,very close,his agility is bigger than zoro's and sanji's for example

[tanukibeast]

I just want to say that neither could injure Kuma.

[Powdered Toast Man]

1-Zoro
2-Zor 6 out of 10 since Sanji is more agile
3-Sanji (powerups include breath of all things and bandana right?)

[Kiba Inuzuka]

^Yeah, and Asura. Also, edited OP

[Dragon (banned)]

lol,nah,sanji is close to luffy and zoro,very close,his agility is bigger than zoro's and sanji's for example

He isnt THAT close. He is the second strongest in the crew, behind Luffy/Zoro, no doubt. But Zoro and Luffy feats shit on Sanjis. They would stomp him pretty good, once they bring out there big guns(Asura, Gears). Hopefully next arc ODA will make Sanji do some epic shit, so he can try to catch back up to Zoro's epicness.

[Powdered Toast Man]

^Dragon give Sanji more credit seriously. You make it sound as if he's fodder to Luffy and Zoro, Sanjis feats have been just as impressive as theirs. Wow, you act like Sanji doesn't even have an upgrade. He's one step behind them overall and ahead of them in some areas.

Situation 4-Sanji has a good chance of winning with those since he strikes a shitload of times in one shot. Depends on who hits a finisher(Asura Ichibugin, Flambage shot) first. Flambage shot with those greives would cut somones head clean off

[Dragon (banned)]

^Dragon give Sanji more credit seriously. You make it sound as if he's fodder to Luffy and Zoro, Sanjis feats have been just as impressive as theirs. Wow, you act like Sanji doesn't even have an upgrade. He's one step behind them overall and ahead of them in some areas.

Situation 4-Sanji has a good chance of winning with those since he strikes a shitload of times in one shot. Depends on who hits a finisher(Asura Ichibugin, Flambage shot) first. Flambage shot with those greives would cut somones head clean off
Sanji's feats have been just as impressive? Show me a durablity feat that matches what Zoro and Luffy have shown. Sanji is as good as both of there base forms. But liike i said, when they bring out the big guns, he is done. Zoro and Luffy can easily shrug off a Devil kick form sanji. From what we have seen them go through. But can sanji stand after getting cut in half? Or pummeled by class 100 Jet shell? Sanji is good, he is second strongest, but he will fall pretty convincely.

[Kiba Inuzuka]

Sanji's feats have been just as impressive? Show me a durablity feat that matches what Zoro and Luffy have shown. Sanji is as good as both of there base forms. But liike i said, when they bring out the big guns, he is done. Zoro and Luffy can easily shrug off a Devil kick form sanji. From what we have seen them go through. But can sanji stand after getting cut in half? Or pummeled by class 100 Jet shell? Sanji is good, he is second strongest, but he will fall pretty convincely.

*finds it funny how he used the word "feat"*

[Powdered Toast Man]

Sanji's feats have been just as impressive? Show me a durablity feat that matches what Zoro and Luffy have shown.
Yes they've been just as impressive. Since no durability feat in the series matches Zoro's (except Usopp) and Luffy is fucking rubber so its impossible to show one that matches them, but he is durable. He and Zoro were the only ones to stand up after Ursa Shock. He's taken hits from what is most likely the second hardest puncher in CP9.

His strength and speed have been up there with them. Kicking mohmoo, big pan, Crocs pet, pieces of a giant tower, and deflecting an Oz Bazooka put Sanjis strength right up near Zoro and Luffy. Sanji in Alabasta rushes into the basement of rain dinners and no one including Zoro, Luffy and Smoker notice shit. Sanji so far is the only one besides Luffy to completely disappear in front of a Soru user. And Sanji is leagues smarter than the both of them.

Sanji is as good as both of there base forms. But liike i said, when they bring out the big guns, he is done.
He will lose but it's not as easy peasy as you make it he can fight evenly for a while but sooner or later their advantages (Rubber+Gear2+3, and Demon Ki/Asura, Endurance) will win out.

Zoro and Luffy can easily shrug off a Devil kick form sanji. From what we have seen them go through.
Fuck no they can't, tekkai/steel couldn't even stop it, don't bullshit. None of the SH's is shrugging that off, Zoro and Luffy won't lose to it but shrug of dear lord no.

But can sanji stand after getting cut in half? Or pummeled by class 100 Jet shell? Sanji is good, he is second strongest, but he will fall pretty convincely.
Sanji can evade being cut by Zoro fairly easily, no I never even implied he would take a Jet Shell (it would kill him). He won't fail, he'll lose, not fail. Sanji is easily in the top tier of the SH's. I'm not saying he would win, in fact I'm agreeing that he most likely loses but nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.

[Dragon (banned)]

Sanji's feats have been just as impressive? Show me a durablity feat that matches what Zoro and Luffy have shown.
Yes they've been just as impressive. Since no durability feat in the series matches Zoro's (except Usopp) and Luffy is fucking rubber so its impossible to show one that matches them, but he is durable. He and Zoro were the only ones to stand up after Ursa Shock. He's taken hits from what is most likely the second hardest puncher in CP9.

His strength and speed have been up there with them. Kicking mohmoo, big pan, Crocs pet, pieces of a giant tower, and deflecting an Oz Bazooka put Sanjis strength right up near Zoro and Luffy. Sanji in Alabasta rushes into the basement of rain dinners and no one including Zoro, Luffy and Smoker notice shit. Sanji so far is the only one besides Luffy to completely disappear in front of a Soru user. And Sanji is leagues smarter than the both of them.

Sanji is as good as both of there base forms. But liike i said, when they bring out the big guns, he is done.
He will lose but it's not as easy peasy as you make it he can fight evenly for a while but sooner or later their advantages (Rubber+Gear2+3, and Demon Ki/Asura, Endurance) will win out.

Zoro and Luffy can easily shrug off a Devil kick form sanji. From what we have seen them go through.
Fuck no they can't, tekkai/steel couldn't even stop it, don't bullshit. None of the SH's is shrugging that off, Zoro and Luffy won't lose to it but shrug of dear lord no.

But can sanji stand after getting cut in half? Or pummeled by class 100 Jet shell? Sanji is good, he is second strongest, but he will fall pretty convincely.
Sanji can evade being cut by Zoro fairly easily, no I never even implied he would take a Jet Shell (it would kill him). He won't fail, he'll lose, not fail. Sanji is easily in the top tier of the SH's. I'm not saying he would win, in fact I'm agreeing that he most likely loses but nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.

I stopped reading at "fuck no they cant shrug off a devil kick" yes it would hurt them, but nowhere near injure them. Did you forget all that zoro went through in TB arc? And the island busting punches luffy was taking? Once again, feats is what matters here. Devil kick nowhere near split an island and sanji isnt standing after a jet shell or asura. like i said, once they bring out the big guns, its over and quick. Im not underestimating sanji. Im saying he needs some better feats. ODA needs to have Sanji do some epic shit next arc, so he can at least Start climbing the ladder, Luffy and Zoro are halfway up climbing. The ladder of epicness

[Powdered Toast Man]

So you think that Luffy and Zoros skin is harder than tekkai, also you yourself just admitted they would take damage from it, taking damage means that they didn't shrug it off; injury and damage are basically the same thing. Diable Jambe would burn through Zoro' skin easily (it's just flesh) and Luffys to some extent, that's what we call injury. Enough repeated kicks would eventually cook them inside out if they stood and took them, they would die.

No I didn't forget Zoros TB feats, I even mention it in my post. Also no SH split an island so that means nothing here that was Morias feat and I already addressed Luffy's durability and once again I said in my post that he would lose to them just not quickly, so you can stop saying he would lose I already agreed.

Yes you do underestimate Sanji, he's right there on the ladder with them, he's been there since he came. I already gave you some feats by sanji, he's been epic in his own way he just hasn't been glorified as much as the others, denying that is just stupid. I made my point you can choose to write them off if you like but they are there. Sanji would lose to them, but he would not be stomped.

[Dragon (banned)]

So you think that Luffy and Zoros skin is harder than tekkai, also you yourself just admitted they would take damage from it, taking damage means that they didn't shrug it off; injury and damage are basically the same thing. Diable Jambe would burn through Zoro' skin easily (it's just flesh) and Luffys to some extent, that's what we call injury. Enough repeated kicks would eventually cook them inside out if they stood and took them, they would die.

No I didn't forget Zoros TB feats, I even mention it in my post. Also no SH split an island so that means nothing here that was Morias feat and I already addressed Luffy's durability and once again I said in my post that he would lose to them just not quickly, so you can stop saying he would lose I already agreed.

Yes you do underestimate Sanji, he's right there on the ladder with them, he's been there since he came. I already gave you some feats by sanji, he's been epic in his own way he just hasn't been glorified as much as the others, denying that is just stupid. I made my point you can choose to write them off if you like but they are there. Sanji would lose to them, but he would not be stomped.

So your going by real world logic in an anime? You do know how inconsistent anime can be? Especially one piece. So saying Devil leg will "burn" them and possibly finish them is stupid. Injury= broken bone, huge loss of blood, etc. damage= get the breathe knocked out of you, little cuts, etc. Nothing that luffy and zoro cant shrug off and laugh at. Especially after we have seen luffy survive a huge explosive against Usopp and what we have seen Zoro go thru in recent chapters. What has sanji shown? See what i mean? Feats> your opinion. Zoro and Luffy's skin isnt as hard as tekkai, but do you think there skin is as durable as an island? Incase you didnt notice. Island>steel. therefore, zoro and luffy>>>anyone who has been beaten so far in the manga/anime, durability wise. Including Cp9. So try again. Yes once they bring out there big guns, sanji loses fast. You think sanji can stand after a jet shell? you think sanji can stand after being cut in pieces?

Sanji hasnt even reached Lucci's level yet. And with Luffy's newly aquired gear 2/3 combo. He would stomp Lucci. As would he stomp Sanji.

[cp9luchi]

I stopped reading at "fuck no they cant shrug off a devil kick" yes it would hurt them, but nowhere near injure them. Did you forget all that zoro went through in TB arc? And the island busting punches luffy was taking? Once again, feats is what matters here. Devil kick nowhere near split an island and sanji isnt standing after a jet shell or asura. like i said, once they bring out the big guns, its over and quick. Im not underestimating sanji. Im saying he needs some better feats. ODA needs to have Sanji do some epic shit next arc, so he can at least Start climbing the ladder, Luffy and Zoro are halfway up climbing. The ladder of epicness

that's silly, a knee from Odz temporarily KO'ed Zoro, Sanji's DJ matched and deflected Oz's GG bazooka which is >>> a nameless knee hitm and If you remember EL, Jyabura stated DJ burned him right to the bone and even broke them, and was Jyabura the Tekkai specialist of cp9.
also Sanji had his fair share of surability feats in TB, he was impaled through the heart by Absalom, than he took Oz 1 on 1 but got fucked up, than got up and got KOed by probably Oz's strongest move (GG gatling), the same one that KOed dozens of zombies on Ryuma's level, and lastly he was the closest one to get hit by Ursa shock, yeah he was willing to give his life just like Zoro, weather he could've taken it or not is arguable, since nobody dies in OP, but I must admit Zoro stole the show.

[Dragon (banned)]

that's silly, a knee from Odz temporarily KO'ed Zoro, Sanji's DJ matched and deflected Oz's GG bazooka which is >>> a nameless knee hit, Sanji had his fair share of surability feats in TB, he was impaled through the heart by Absalom, than he took Oz 1 on 1 but got fucked up, than got up and got KOed by probably Oz's strongest move (GG gatling), the same one that KOed dozens of zombies on Ryuma's level, and lastly he was the closest one to get hit by Ursa shock, yeah he was willing to give his life just like Zoro, weather he could've taken it or not is arguable, since nobody dies in OP, but I must admit Zoro stole the show.

Like i keep saying, show me sanji out feating luffy and zoro. or this argument is over. I can careless that sanji took some hits from Oz, after Zoro went thru Ryyuma, moria, oz, kuma, AND took on luffys pain and fatigue.

Besides taking a hit from oz<<<steel cutting swords. Getting cut in half>>>>blunt damage. nobody can stand from getting cut in half.

[cp9luchi]

Like i keep saying, show me sanji out feating luffy and zoro. or this argument is over
Sanji kept one uping Zoro while fighting Oz....
Zoro hits Oz's arm(with Sanji's asictance), Sanji delivers the final blow and flips Oz
Zoro redirects Oz's no name punch, Sanji clashes with Oz+Moria's GG Bazzoka and deflected it
Zoro gets temporarily KOed by a knee, Sanji gets temporarily KOed by GG gatling
I can careless that sanji took some hits from Oz, after Zoro went thru Ryyuma, moria, oz, kuma, AND took on luffys pain and fatigue.
[/QUOTE]
you're just overglorifying Zoro
he recieved little damage from Ryuma if any at all, he never even touch Moria himself so idk what you're talking about, got hit like twice by Oz, and Ursa shock, the only damage that made a difference between his and Sanji's was Luffy's fatigue
let's look at what Sanji took and compare them to Zoro's
got impailed in the heart by Absalom, went 1 on 1 with Oz and got smacked around, he took Oz's GG gatling, and than Ursa Shock, like I said the only damage that made a difference was Luffy's fatigue, weather he could've taken it or not is arguable, since nobody dies in OP.

Besides taking a hit from oz<<<steel cutting swords.
idk what you mean by this, or what point you're trying to make, but If you're reffering to Ryuma who was beaten by Zoro who was getting analy raped by Oz than that whole logic fails.
Getting cut in half>>>>blunt damage. nobody can stand from getting cut in half.
how many times has anybody cut any person in half in OP

[Dragon (banned)]

Sanji kept one uping Zoro while fighting Oz....
Zoro hits Oz's arm(with Sanji's asictance), Sanji delivers the final blow and flips Oz
Zoro redirects Oz's no name punch, Sanji clashes with Oz+Moria's GG Bazzoka and deflected it
Zoro gets temporarily KOed by a knee, Sanji gets temporarily KOed by GG gatling


you're just overglorifying Zoro
he recieved little damage from Ryuma if any at all, he never even touch Moria himself so idk what you're talking about, got hit like twice by Oz, and Ursa shock, the only damage that made a difference between his and Sanji's was Luffy's fatigue
let's look at what Sanji took and compare them to Zoro's
got impailed in the heart by Absalom, went 1 on 1 with Oz and got smacked around, he took Oz's GG gatling, and than Ursa Shock, like I said the only damage that made a difference was Luffy's fatigue, weather he could've taken it or not is arguable, since nobody dies in OP.

idk what you mean by this, or what point you're trying to make, but If you're reffering to Ryuma who was beaten by Zoro who was getting analy raped by Oz than that whole logic fails.

how many times has anybody cut any person in half in OP[/QUOTE]

We are not going by one piece rules. In a battle bloodlust is on. So you must be saying sanji's skin is harder then steel, if zoro's asura wouldnt end sanji in one attack. No matter what you say Zoro took way more damage in that arc then sanji. It doesnt even matter. Anyone who has read one piece knows Zoro is stronger and more durable. All i am saying is Zoro can stand after devil kick, Sanji wont stand after asura or repeated Jet shells. Sanji didnt get a power up this arc. He is still stuck back there trying to surpass lucci. Luffy can combine gears, while zoro got a new sword, and showed us insane durability we never knew he had. They both beat him convincely

[cp9luchi]

We are not going by one piece rules. In a battle bloodlust is on. So you must be saying sanji's skin is harder then steel if zoro's asura wouldnt end sanji in one attack.,
we don't even know how strong Asura is, since Kaku didn't even use Tekkai to block it........and why do you think it would hit Sanji right of the bat, Sanji is probably the fastest dodger after G2 Luffy, and even If it hit him, Sanji has been impailed through the heart and shrugged it off so.......
No matter what you say Zoro took way more damage in that arc then sanji.
yes, thanks to Luffy's fatigue only It doesnt even matter. Anyone who has read one piece knows Zoro is stronger and more durable.
anyone who has read OP knows they are very evenly matched, Sanji even has greater agility
All i am saying is Zoro can stand after devil kick
as I already said, Zoro got temporarily KOed by a knee attack from Oz, an attack that is much inferior to Oz's GG bazooka which Sanji stopped in mid air and deflected
, Sanji wont stand after asura or repeated Jet shells.
maybe not Jet Shells they are on another league than anything the SH's got, but anything Asura is speculation.
Sanji didnt get a power up this arc.
he sure as hell didn't need one to deflect Oz's GG bazooka
He is still stuck back there trying to surpass lucci.
neither can Zoro, Luffy needed "uncomparable strenght, greatest strenght, and unfollowable speed and impact"(YDB) to take him out, Oda hasn't put Zoro that high and his body is nowhere near as durable as Luffy's ruber body (to blunt damage), when he shrugged of an Island splitting punch and we saw him get messed up so badly after Rokougan
Luffy can combine gears, while zoro got a new sword,
you're actually comparing G2+3 to Zoro's new sword

and showed us insane durability we never knew he had. They both beat him convincely
wtf? what did you expect Zoro is always the "bloody" one, but the fact that his body probably can't even move and is in worst condition than Luffy's.....

[Dragon (banned)]

we don't even know how strong Asura is, since Kaku didn't even use Tekkai to block it........and why do you think it would hit Sanji right of the bat, Sanji is probably the fastest dodger after G2 Luffy, and even If it hit him, Sanji has been impailed through the heart and shrugged it off so.......

yes, thanks to Luffy's fatigue only
anyone who has read OP knows they are very evenly matched, Sanji even has greater agility

as I already said, Zoro got temporarily KOed by a knee attack from Oz, an attack that is much inferior to Oz's GG bazooka which Sanji stopped in mid air and deflected

maybe not Jet Shells they are on another league than anything the SH's got, but anything Asura is speculation.

he sure as hell didn't need one to deflect Oz's GG bazooka

neither can Zoro, Luffy needed "uncomparable strenght, greatest strenght, and unfollowable speed and impact"(YDB) to take him out, Oda hasn't put Zoro that high and his body is nowhere near as durable as Luffy's ruber body (to blunt damage), when he shrugged of an Island splitting punch and we saw him get messed up so badly after Rokougan

you're actually comparing G2+3 to Zoro's new sword


wtf? what did you expect Zoro is always the "bloody" one, but the fact that his body probably can't even move and is in worst condition than Luffy's.....

It's speculation whether Sanji can dodge asura or not. All i know is Zoro can take Sanjis kicks with a smile on his face. But the same cant be said for sanji. Unless you think sanji can stand after being cut in half. You cant use the argument "sanji is the most agile" So your saying he is gonna dodge everything zoro throws at him? Meaning your a sanji fanboy now? Zoro was blitzing a better version of jyabura. If jyabara can land hits on sanji, then zoro can. Besides Sanji wont know what to do against Asura. Just like Kaku didnt. Once they bring out the big guns, sanji is done. Zoro=Luffy>Sanji

[MIDNIGHT TERROR]

I can't read this thread with a straight face anymore.............

I think everyone should understand from the latest chapter zoro is above sanji. Zoro after the ursa shock jumped from the smoke and lion songed kuma. This is a solid hit, kuma couldn't stop him. Sanji got up later, which shows that attack put him down for a while.

Zoro then took everything luffy had given to him added to his own injuries, we then see him with the energy to stand and talk.

Now I can't see diable jambe having more power than all that punishment zoro took, if you people think otherwise please fill me in.

Also about these yellow book quotes, no matter what it says about luffy, it's said zoro equals it. So that is the end of that non-sense.

[Dragon (banned)]

I can't read this thread with a straight face anymore.............

I think everyone should understand from the latest chapter zoro is above sanji. Zoro after the ursa shock jumped from the smoke and lion songed kuma. This is a solid hit, kuma couldn't stop him. Sanji got up later, which shows that attack put him down for a while.

Zoro then took everything luffy had given to him added to his own injuries, we then see him with the energy to stand and talk.

Now I can't see diable jambe having more power than all that punishment zoro took, if you people think otherwise please fill me in.

Also about these yellow book quotes, no matter what it says about luffy, it's said zoro equals it. So that is the end of that non-sense.
Exactly. Feats and Canon matter here. Not bandwagons and speculation.

[Shoddragon]

Exactly. Feats and Canon matter here. Not bandwagons and speculation.

I don't care if Oda says zoro is STRONGER than Luffy, until Zoro shows FEATS IN THE MANGA, REPEAT, IN THE MANGA, NOT A GARBAGE DATABOOK WRITTEN BY THE AUTHOR EXCEPT THE MANGA, LUFFY>ZORO. jesus christ man. get it through your head. I am having a damm good laugh reading your posts. the huge amount of shit and no scan or info proven things is laughable. please prove things with evidence or scans. your not contributing anything to this thread.

[Dragon (banned)]

I don't care if Oda says zoro is STRONGER than Luffy, until Zoro shows FEATS IN THE MANGA, REPEAT, IN THE MANGA, NOT A GARBAGE DATABOOK WRITTEN BY THE AUTHOR EXCEPT THE MANGA, LUFFY>ZORO. jesus christ man. get it through your head. I am having a damm good laugh reading your posts. the huge amount of shit and no scan or info proven things is laughable. please prove things with evidence or scans. your not contributing anything to this thread.

Im not even gonna argue with you. You dont even know who laboon is. You remind me of the old me. Your probably gonna get banned soon. you should calm down.

[Unrivaled]

I can't read this thread with a straight face anymore.............

I think everyone should understand from the latest chapter zoro is above sanji. Zoro after the ursa shock jumped from the smoke and lion songed kuma. This is a solid hit, kuma couldn't stop him. Sanji got up later, which shows that attack put him down for a while.

Zoro then took everything luffy had given to him added to his own injuries, we then see him with the energy to stand and talk.

Now I can't see diable jambe having more power than all that punishment zoro took, if you people think otherwise please fill me in.

Also about these yellow book quotes, no matter what it says about luffy, it's said zoro equals it. So that is the end of that non-sense.

LOL you said it right.....
Wow again.
Zoro takes this, he is equal to Luffy in power.
*Wash rinse repeat.*

[I.P. Standing]

Keep it clean.

[Aokiji]

http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg

[diablejambe]

maan you should hide those things in spoiler..;]

[Aokiji]

OK. :thumbs

[KLoWn]

Zoro takes this. I've always seen him as being a level above Sanji.

[goldsaint13]

:notrust Shoddragon there is a topic for Luffy vs Zoro... Anyway what you said means nothing until you show proves of direct superiority of Luffy on Zoro...
Even if Luffy would destroy the world and Zoro wouldn't it doesn't mean Zoro won't be able to do it if he needs to...

As for Zoro vs Sanji... Maybe the cook won't go down with an hit in a real fight, but if Zoro fights seriously the victory is in his hands, no doubt...

[Unrivaled]

http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg

Well that ends the thread.
What's for dinner?

[Dragon (banned)]

Well that ends the thread.
What's for dinner?

Who might you be, stranger? I havent seen such canon brought to the Battledome since the WHITEBEARD resided here. hmmmmmmmm, I like you.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

Luffy = Zoro > Sanji for now ......

Its cannon !!!!!!!

@Unrivaled ..... your work is appreciated :3 :nod

[Unrivaled]

Just going along with the story.

[MIDNIGHT TERROR]

http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg

Well that ends the thread.
What's for dinner?

Lol that's just great, hahahaha

But be prepared for the comebacks, even a signed document stating zoro>sanji from oda wouldn't be good enough for some people here.

[Unrivaled]

Lol that's just great, hahahaha

But be prepared for the comebacks, even a signed document stating zoro>sanji from oda wouldn't be good enough for some people here.

I will be on the lookout.

[cp9luchi]

danm, not too much time, but here's a quicky

Zoro getting KOe by Oz's nameless knee attack
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/06/

Sanji stopping a much stronger hit in mid air and deflecting it
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/12/

now please humor me

[Unrivaled]

danm, not too much time, but here's a quicky

Zoro getting KOe by Oz's nameless knee attack
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/06/

Sanji stopping a much stronger hit in mid air and deflecting it
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/12/

now please humor me

Damn not too much time, but here is something I already posted.
http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg
God makes the food.. and the devil makes the spices...Looks like it was too hot for you Sanji.
Now, please humor me.

[cp9luchi]

Damn not too much time, but here is something I already posted.
http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg
does this prove anything more than Sanji being cheapshotted by Zoro with the shonen cliche "KO you to protect you" deal, anyway...I have already posted scans of Sanji putting out more than enough power to KO Zoro, and no don't get me wrong I'm not saying Sanji would beat Zoro, but that that Sanji shouldn't be downplayed

God makes the food.. and the devil makes the spices...Looks like it was too hot for you Sanji.
WTF isn't this in my sig?
Now, please humor me.
I will a soon as you give me a decent argument

[Unrivaled]

does this prove anything more than Sanji being cheapshotted by Zoro with the shonen cliche "KO you to protect you" deal, anyway...I have already posted scans of Sanji putting out more than enough power to KO Zoro, and no don't get me wrong I'm not saying Sanji would beat Zoro, but that that Sanji shouldn't be downplayed

That's all folks.

[cp9luchi]

That's all folks.
what does this have to do with anything?

[Unrivaled]

That Sanji can't beat Zoro.

[cp9luchi]

That Sanji can't beat Zoro.

can Zoro succesfully beat Sanji?

[Unrivaled]

Yep..............

[cp9luchi]

Yep..............

than Sanji can also beat Zoro, he has shown more than enough power to KO Zoro.

[Unrivaled]

than Sanji can also beat Zoro, he has shown more than enough power to KO Zoro.

http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/19/

[Shoddragon]

so because Zoro put down a weak, battered, and extremely fatigued Sanji who already used a diable jamble on Oz with 1 hit, that makes him automatically> Sanji? if thats all your going to go by pack up your bags and leave. provide REAL evidence.

[Power16]

so because Zoro put down a weak, battered, and extremely fatigued Sanji who already used a diable jamble on Oz with 1 hit, that makes him automatically> Sanji? if thats all your going to go by pack up your bags and leave. provide REAL evidence.
Zoro was on the same foot as Sanji and he took a portion of Luffy pain and got up and took it all and was still standing is the point he's trying to get across if you didn't catch it.

[Shoddragon]

Zoro was on the same foot as Sanji and he took a portion of Luffy pain and got up and took it all and was still standing is the point he's trying to get across if you didn't catch it.

thats not saying much. he absorbed pure fatigue and pain. not broken bones and a dent in his face :amuse

[MIHAWK]

luffy has no broken bones,his is a rubberman

and sanji has been weaker than zoro forever,it's even in the red databook

and in the chapter 485

zoro has been stated equal to luffy in the yellow databook,if u say sanji>zoro is like saying sanji>luffy

the only facts we have about zoro and sanji show that zoro>sanji

everything else is speculation

[Unrivaled]

thats not saying much. he absorbed pure fatigue and pain. not broken bones and a dent in his face :amuse

:facepalm
An injured Zoro KO's an injured Sanji and then proceeds to absorb all the damage Luffy took and TOOK it.

[Shoddragon]

luffy has no broken bones,his is a rubberman

and sanji has been weaker than zoro forever,it's even in the red databook

and in the chapter 485

zoro has been stated equal to luffy in the yellow databook,if u say sanji>zoro is like saying sanji>luffy

the only facts we have about zoro and sanji show that zoro>sanji

everything else is speculation

sanji kicking zoro in the face= broken bones :notrust. just because he took PURE pain and fatigue doesn't mean he could take broken bones so easily. I am not at all saying sanji> zoro, but its not as one sided as you guys make it seem. sanji's kicks could easily go against zoro's swords, and a diable kabmle will damm well deflect most of zoro's attacks or at least tie around his strongest. the lion strike he used on mr.1 and Kuma or Ashura would be too fast however. however zoro doesn't automatically go using his best attacks like that. it would be closer than what your thinking. your acting like sanji cannot even compete. And on a good day sanji COULD win. then again most people can do amazing things on a good day.

[Dragon (banned)]

sanji kicking zoro in the face= broken bones :notrust. just because he took PURE pain and fatigue doesn't mean he could take broken bones so easily. I am not at all saying sanji> zoro, but its not as one sided as you guys make it seem. sanji's kicks could easily go against zoro's swords, and a diable kabmle will damm well deflect most of zoro's attacks or at least tie around his strongest. the lion strike he used on mr.1 and Kuma or Ashura would be too fast however. however zoro doesn't automatically go using his best attacks like that. it would be closer than what your thinking. your acting like sanji cannot even compete. And on a good day sanji COULD win. then again most people can do amazing things on a good day.

Zoro stabbing Sanji in the face=death. Death>broken bones. Zoro's will>Sanji's. Stop arguing, you cant win.

[cp9luchi]

http://img30.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/13.jpg
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/19/

Zoro getting KOe by Oz's nameless knee attack
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/06/

Sanji stopping a much stronger hit in mid air and deflecting it
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/12/

you have yet to elaborate on this feat, showing Sanji can definately put a hurting on Zoro.
and Zoro's latest badass feat..I had a little fangasm like everyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that the only feat was staying concius from Luffy's fatigue, and his body is in no condition to do anything at all
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3602/68271689rx4.jpg

[goldsaint13]

Sanji can equal Zoro and seriously damage him only with Diable Jambe...
But if Zoro uses his Demon Ki and Ashura in particular there is no chance for Sanji...

Against Ohz Sanji used Diable Jambe but the best Zoro used was Sanzen Sekai that is pretty much equal to a Diable Jambe attack (Zoro tore apart Ohz chest with it), but basically we have Zoro = Luffy > Sanji...

[Unrivaled]

Zoro getting KOe by Oz's nameless knee attack
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/06/

Sanji stopping a much stronger hit in mid air and deflecting it
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/12/

you have yet to elaborate on this feat, showing Sanji can definately put a hurting on Zoro.
and Zoro's latest badass feat..I had a little fangasm like everyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that the only feat was staying concius from Luffy's fatigue, and his body is in no condition to do anything at all
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3602/68271689rx4.jpg

Zoro took all the fatige and pain Luffy took (even Luffy fell unconcious) and Zoro KO'd Sanji so......

[Powdered Toast Man]

Seriously could you guys stop repeating things over and over that doesn't mean anything. I'm pretty sure no one is saying Sanji wins, but at least acknowledge that he can fight Zoro evenly and he is in the same tier as him. Sanji is faster, Zoro is physically stronger, Sanji is smarter, Zoro has more endurance.

Also I've read the DB and the stats are freaking relative to the character it just means they have room to improve. It has Luffy with a damn 1 in speed does that mean he is slower than Nami and that Nami is as fast as Zoro and Sanji? The strength rating is for physical strength ONLY, that means if Zoro and Luffy had an arm wrestling match no one would win it doesn't mean they are equal overall. And really stats from Alabasta mean shit anymore go by the feats, no one is saying Sanji wins just don't act like he's below them when he obviously isnt.

Also Zoro hitting a weakened Sanji after Kuma did all the damage means nothing for Zoro except that he has a much higher endurance (which everybody agreed on). And Zoro took Luffys pain not his damage, Zoro didn't have his bones stretched/ his heart nearly popped/ 100 shadows put into him. Had that happened to Zoro he would've died.
But I'm pretty sure this means nothing to you guys.

[Unrivaled]

Seriously could you guys stop repeating things over and over that doesn't mean anything. I'm pretty sure no one is saying Sanji wins, but at least acknowledge that he can fight Zoro evenly and he is in the same tier as him. Sanji is faster, Zoro is physically stronger, Sanji is smarter, Zoro has more endurance.

Also I've read the DB and the stats are freaking relative to the character it just means they have room to improve. It has Luffy with a damn 1 in speed does that mean he is slower than Nami and that Nami is as fast as Zoro and Sanji? The strength rating is for physical strength ONLY, that means if Zoro and Luffy had an arm wrestling match no one would win it doesn't mean they are equal overall. And really stats from Alabasta mean shit anymore go by the feats, no one is saying Sanji wins just don't act like he's below them when he obviously isnt.

I take it that you didn't read the yellow data book, where it states Zoro is "equal" to Luffy in fighting power? So your basically saying Sanji can fight Zoro and Luffy evenly and he is in the same tier as them

Also Zoro hitting a weakened Sanji after Kuma did all the damage means nothing for Zoro except that he has a much higher endurance (which everybody agreed on). And Zoro took Luffys pain not his damage, Zoro didn't have his bones stretched/ his heart nearly popped/ 100 shadows put into him. Had that happened to Zoro he would've died.
But I'm pretty sure this means nothing to you guys.

: What I have just expelled from his body
is his "pain" and "fatigue."
It is all of the damage he accumulated during his fight with Moria and his people.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Read my previous posts, I said he can fight equally until they use things like G2 and Asura. Yes he is in the same tier, the top tier of the SH's are Luffy/Zoro/Sanji. Sanji is not so far below them that he'd be in a different tier. It's always been this way they are always the ones who fight the main powerhouses of every crew they've gone against.

I have yellow and it says their power/strength is equal just like in Red, the same symbol is used.
Kuma gave the resulting damage, Zoro didn't go through it he just took what Luffy felt. Zoro's body didn't go through gear 2 or 3.

[Unrivaled]

Kuma said ALL the damage.
In the yellow data book it states Luffy and Zoro are equal in "fighting power."
I agree with you concerning Sanji.

[FinalEnd]

Zoro getting KOe by Oz's nameless knee attack
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/478/06/

Sanji stopping a much stronger hit in mid air and deflecting it
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/10-11/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/12/

you have yet to elaborate on this feat, showing Sanji can definately put a hurting on Zoro.
and Zoro's latest badass feat..I had a little fangasm like everyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that the only feat was staying concius from Luffy's fatigue, and his body is in no condition to do anything at all
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3602/68271689rx4.jpg


LMAO at whats in bold......

CP9luchi..... Your argument is saying that sanji at full power (Diable Jambe) can handle base Zoro? Cuz thats all you proven to me so far........

Zoro was base form this whole arc, and made you have a Fangasm (LMAO) as you like to call it... So ummmmmm

Sanji<Zoro....


I AM FINALEND

THE END TO ALL THREADS



THANK YOU!

[Powdered Toast Man]

Kuma said ALL the damage.
In the yellow data book it states Luffy and Zoro are equal in "fighting power."
I agree with you concerning Sanji.
I know it was all the damage the damage but Zoro didn't go through the effects he only received the result (when I say go through the effects I mean the blood vessels expanding and bones expanding).
Fighting power doesn't mean they are equal in speed though, Zoro isn't close to G2.
But whatever I don't want to get into Zoro vs Luffy; I just want people to stop looking at Sanji like he is fodder. Saying things like one slash is all Zoro needs, Sanji isn't a fodder marine those guys are one slashers.

[Unrivaled]

I know it was all the damage the damage but Zoro didn't go through the effects he only received the result (when I say go through the effects I mean the blood vessels expanding and bones expanding).
Fighting power doesn't mean they are equal in speed though, Zoro isn't close to G2.
But whatever I don't want to get into Zoro vs Luffy; I just want people to stop looking at Sanji like he is fodder. Saying things like one slash is all Zoro needs, Sanji isn't a fodder marine those guys are one slashers.

No..No I know Zoro will never beat Sanji in one slash it would be a battle. Sanji is one of the principle fighters of the SH crew, always has been.

[cp9luchi]

CP9luchi..... Your argument is saying that sanji at full power (Diable Jambe) can handle base Zoro? Cuz thats all you proven to me so far........
Sanji's DJ shouldn't be giving his kick more power, but to add burning damage to his opponent, and with the scans I posted Sanji has shown more than enough power to hurt Zoro....
Zoro was base form this whole arc, and made you have a Fangasm (LMAO) as you like to call it... So ummmmmmI meant the end of 485, I'm sure all of you Zoro lovers had huge ones.....
anyway Zoro was fighting with everything he had, he even pulled out his ougi, saying things like he didn't fight at full power is just not right, Zoro's profile in the YBD it states Zoro's Asura is just an Illusion of his warrior spirit.
the only one in the "top 3" SH's to have a real upgrade in strenght and speed was Luffy
Sanji<Zoro....
blood-lusted Sanji>Zoro(after seeing Nami naked)
I AM FINALEND

THE END TO ALL THREADS



THANK YOU!
..........

[Dragon (banned)]

Sanji's DJ shouldn't be giving his kick more power, but to add burning damage to his opponent, and with the scans I posted Sanji has shown more than enough power to hurt Zoro....
I meant the end of 485, I'm sure all of you Zoro lovers had huge ones.....
anyway Zoro was fighting with everything he had, he even pulled out his ougi, saying things like he didn't fight at full power is just not right, Zoro's profile in the YBD it states Zoro's Asura is just an Illusion of his warrior spirit.
the only one in the "top 3" SH's to have a real upgrade in strenght and speed was Luffy

blood-lusted Sanji>Zoro(after seeing Nami naked)

..........

lol@ zoro lovers having HUGE ones. Im not a zoro lover, well i am. He is my second favorite character behind Luffy. But im just calling it how it is and giving Zoro the respect he deserves.

[MIHAWK]

sanji kicking zoro in the face= broken bones :notrust. just because he took PURE pain and fatigue doesn't mean he could take broken bones so easily. I am not at all saying sanji> zoro, but its not as one sided as you guys make it seem. sanji's kicks could easily go against zoro's swords, and a diable kabmle will damm well deflect most of zoro's attacks or at least tie around his strongest. the lion strike he used on mr.1 and Kuma or Ashura would be too fast however. however zoro doesn't automatically go using his best attacks like that. it would be closer than what your thinking. your acting like sanji cannot even compete. And on a good day sanji COULD win. then again most people can do amazing things on a good day.

no one said sanji couldn't even compete

even usopp made luffy's day hard

zoro would win but they fight would be long and tough

[Aldrick]

If Whitebeard were to be included in the Data book, he would have been a 6 as well as Luffy and Zoro, therefore Luffy, Zoro and Whitebeard are "The Strongest Mans on Earths".

Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Especially Oda:pek

We don't need no Japanese guy's opinions:LOS

[Jin22]

The powerhouses as well as strongest fighters in the Strawhat crew are Sanji, Zoro and Luffy. For the record, I will say that I have always been of the Luffy = Zoro >> Sanji opinion. It really wasn't until Enies Lobby when I changed it from being just Luffy = Zoro > Sanji. Sanji at the time had only been shown as a strong prominent fighter that was just there to be the chef. But, what I needed to see of Sanji was delivered in his fight with Jayabura. I say that because Jayabura was really the very first titan Sanji had faced where is that Luffy and Zoro both would have had to exhibit if but a little effort to defeat him.

I do find annoying how people rank the CP9 based on their douriki measurments like how Dragonball Z powerscales. Saying such things as: since such character beat that character, he would be able to beat that character as well. No, One Piece is not made in that kind of fashion which to me is why it's battle system is so appealing. Zoro simply matches up better to one like Luffy because slashing attacks have a much adverse affect on Luffy then say Sanji's blunt attacks, plain and simple. That's the reason you won't find a Sanji vs Luffy thread because we all know Sanji would lose. Atleast from Zoro's side it can be argued.

On the other hand, it can be argued as well that Sanji could beat Zoro because blunt attacks would adversely affect Zoro worse so than Luffy. Of course Sanji won't win the fight but it can be argued atleast. In all honesty, my assessment of Zoro vs Sanji is that Sanji would hold his own, but lose in the end.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I'm pretty sure I read on here that the new databook confirms Zoro= Luffy > Sanji. Regardless, in an actual fight Zoro would kill Sanji fairly easily. If only because of the fact that Sanji can't guard from his 3 swords at once. Sanji would be able to block with his leg, but still be open to an attack from another area. Zoro is to skilled not to capitiliaze. Lets not forget that Zoro also has Asura and breath. Honestly, how does Sanji responded to either one of those two ? What's he gonna do ?????

[Jin22]

No, don't misunderstand me.

What I'm pointing out is that yes, Sanji would lose to either Zoro or Luffy in a fight but, he really isn't that far behind them.

[Dragon (banned)]

I'm pretty sure I read on here that the new databook confirms Zoro= Luffy > Sanji. Regardless, in an actual fight Zoro would kill Sanji fairly easily. If only because of the fact that Sanji can't guard from his 3 swords at once. Sanji would be able to block with his leg, but still be open to an attack from another area. Zoro is to skilled not to capitiliaze. Lets not forget that Zoro also has Asura and breath. Honestly, how does Sanji responded to either one of those two ? What's he gonna do ?????

Thats what im saying. With bloodlust on, Zoro will make quick work of Sanji. People keep talking about the fight with plot plot fruit and with them in character. Yes, Sanji isnt that far behind Zoro in skill. But Zoro is simply a bad matchup for Sanji. With bloodlust on, Zoro is gonna go berserk with them swords and start slicing a cook!

[Gary]

1 zoro
2 its a tied
3 tie
4 i dont know

[MIDNIGHT TERROR]

How can this still be argued when we have a data book (which we found out the first half was translated from japanese to english and was not chinese to jap then english.) saying Zoro equals luffy in fighting ability?

It doesn't say strength, speed or endurance, it says fighting ability. This means they're equal.

Now that should clear everything up, otherise it's luffy = zoro = sanji

[Jin22]

How can this still be argued when we have a data book (which we found out the first half was translated from japanese to english and was not chinese to jap then english.) saying Zoro equals luffy in fighting ability?

It doesn't say strength, speed or endurance, it says fighting ability. This means they're equal.

Now that should clear everything upI am of the opinion that Zoro and Luffy do infact equal each other in fighting but, I believe it because what's been shown in the manga depicts them as equals(if you ask me). Luffy has the advantage in the eyes of many One Piece followers over Zoro because basically his destruction credibility and feats are just bigger. Zoro has the advantage over Sanji for that very same reason. The one obvious thing that Luffy and Zoro both have over Sanji, is their versatility. They can simply do much much more with what they got; puts me in mind of that tidal wave they both blew through to save the train and crew and get through to Ennies Lobby. Sanji doesn't have anything in his arsenal to top that alone.

I read what Rice Ball said on the other page and agree with him. There really are many more things that can be used to prove Zoro > Sanji. I will admit though that if the databook states Luffy = Zoro then that is pretty much cemented, if it's coming directly from Oda himself.

Edit: I just want to add that, a debate is a debate. Facts and evidence is what matters. Yes, quotes can count as well. Just as long as it is a reliable quotation.

[Rice Ball]

data book content is still currently up for debate as its just been translated to Zoro understands luffy, not Zoro = Luffy.

[goldsaint13]

:amuse As for the Japanese scan, you have it here:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5918/sequalaq9.jpg

If some of you can translate it, we would be grateful...

As for Zoro vs Sanji...

Give 1 or 2 swords to Zoro and he can equal Sanji...
Give him 3 swords and he can equal Luffy...

Or, at least, he would need 3 swords and the Bandana (that means "fighting at 100%") to equal Luffy...
While with less than this Sanji is an opponent for him since he is weaker than Luffy and Zoro but not by much...

[MIDNIGHT TERROR]

I am of the opinion that Zoro and Luffy do infact equal each other in fighting but, I believe it because what's been shown in the manga depicts them as equals(if you ask me). Luffy has the advantage in the eyes of many One Piece followers over Zoro because basically his destruction credibility and feats are just bigger. Zoro has the advantage over Sanji for that very same reason. The one obvious thing that Luffy and Zoro both have over Sanji, is their versatility. They can simply do much much more with what they got; puts me in mind of that tidal wave they both blew through to save the train and crew and get through to Ennies Lobby. Sanji doesn't have anything in his arsenal to top that alone.

I read what Rice Ball said on the other page and agree with him. There really are many more things that can be used to prove Zoro > Sanji. I will admit though that if the databook states Luffy = Zoro then that is pretty much cemented, if it's coming directly from Oda himself.

Edit: I just want to add that, a debate is a debate. Facts and evidence is what matters. Yes, quotes can count as well. Just as long as it is a reliable quotation.

I agree with you and truley believe the bolded part because that is exactly what I see when I read the manga. I only turn to data books because some people just won't have it.

I mean if chapter 485 doesn't clear up zoro being above sanji and equaling luffy, I can't see anything else showing it.

@ Riceball

Well if that's true at least zoro vs luffy is a debate again. Chapter 485 in my opinion has given the edge to zoro for debaters, however I still believe they're equal

Also Zoro hitting a weakened Sanji after Kuma did all the damage means nothing for Zoro except that he has a much higher endurance (which everybody agreed on). And Zoro took Luffys pain not his damage, Zoro didn't have his bones stretched/ his heart nearly popped/ 100 shadows put into him. Had that happened to Zoro he would've died.
But I'm pretty sure this means nothing to you guys.
Finally I just want to comment on this......

If zoro took no damage why does kuma specifically state damage, and why is zoro and half the forest covered in blood?

It's obvious everything that happened to luffy was cut and pasted onto Zoro, he is just so tough it didn't rip him to shreads. If this isn't the case we'll ust have to wait for Oda to comment, as there is no other plausible explanation.

[Shoddragon]

i really do not believe anyone is saying Sanji will beat Zoro, but its just your grossly overestimating zoro and downplaying Sanji. and stop basing any of this on the fact Zoro knocked out an extremely beaten up Sanji. He actually used diable jamble once or twice while Zoro really did not use any of his best attacks. you guys are acting like if he touches Zoro he is instantly going to die. I would just appreciate it if you gave sanji a bit more credit.

[Unrivaled]

i really do not believe anyone is saying Sanji will beat Zoro, but its just your grossly overestimating zoro and downplaying Sanji. and stop basing any of this on the fact Zoro knocked out an extremely beaten up Sanji. He actually used diable jamble once or twice while Zoro really did not use any of his best attacks. you guys are acting like if he touches Zoro he is instantly going to die. I would just appreciate it if you gave sanji a bit more credit.

Zoro has taken more damage tan Sanji and he was STILL able to KO him.

[MIHAWK]

brothers correct if i am wrong but if in that scene instead of zoro and sanji luffy would be the one standing and he KO'ed zoro why do i think that the same people that are saying that doesn't count as a fact for zoro>sanji would use it as a fact in luffy>zoro???

[Dragon (banned)]

data book content is still currently up for debate as its just been translated to Zoro understands luffy, not Zoro = Luffy.

Your allowed to be off topic, but im not? ok. We were both talking about Luffy vs. Zoro. Dont see why my post should be deleted while yours stands.

[Unrivaled]

brothers correct if i am wrong but if in that scene instead of zoro and sanji luffy would be the one standing and he KO'ed zoro why do i think that the same people that are saying that doesn't count as a fact for zoro>sanji would use it as a fact in luffy>zoro???

LOL this is the truth......To much Zoro hate really.
Zoror already KO'd Sanji, that's what Sanji gets for jumping into grown folks conversation.

[cp9luchi]

too much Sanji hate If you ask me, you take him way too likely as If he couldn't put up a fight, when his superior feats while fighting Oz show otherwise, and no Sanji had taken more damage than Zoro until Kuma came along so.......... But I'll leave it that, we'll probably see Sanji take the spotlight along with Luffy in the next arc due to Zoro's severe condition.

[Unrivaled]

LOL there is no Sanji hate it's just facts and that's just business baby.
After Zoro sleeps he will be ready to take on Fishman islands number one swordsman!

[KiShiDo]

Thats what im saying. With bloodlust on, Zoro will make quick work of Sanji. People keep talking about the fight with plot plot fruit and with them in character. Yes, Sanji isnt that far behind Zoro in skill. But Zoro is simply a bad matchup for Sanji. With bloodlust on, Zoro is gonna go berserk with them swords and start slicing a cook!

So anybody who haven't a weapon will lose against bloodlusted Zoro even Luffy... That's the way U speak.

[NinnjaHero]

I'm under the same impression. Which means Zoro wins in all 3 situations, however harsh that may sound.

The problem Sanji has is range. A hand to hand fighter will always struggle against a swordsman. The only way the advantage is alleviated is if there is a sufficient gap in speed. Sanji's slight speed advantage isn't sufficient enough, what's worse is when we consider Zoro's above supernormal reactions.

Sanji's latest Diable Jambe attack helps in the range department, but even that isn't enough, since he wouldn't be able to pull it off on a consistent basis.

Luffy fairs well against Zoro because he can stretch. Also Gear second's boost of attack speed would give even Zoro's reaction a run for its money. That fight is a complete toss up. This isn't I'm afraid.

I agree Sanji has range problem(damn he needs rankyaku :D)
He has speed advantage but Zorro has abnormal reactions.
Zorro takes this but Sanji isnt to far behind

[Shuntensatsu]

Zoro wins all the fights. He is considerably stronger than Sanji, a bit faster than Sanji and extremely more durable than Sanji. He outclasses him in all areas.

[Candy]

sit.1=zoro
sit.2=sanji
sit3. what ar ehtey gonna do go super saiyan they dont have power-ups= sanji

[SchmoozingWouter]

Zoro takes them all due to his shear bad assness :LOS

[Saotome Ranma]

If you ask me Luffy and Zoro are stronger than the rest of the crew by far. Zoro does better in injured then Sanji does at full health.....Mainly becasue Zoro is never at full health.

[sanji's left eye]

If you ask me Luffy and Zoro are stronger than the rest of the crew by far. Zoro does better in injured then Sanji does at full health.....Mainly becasue Zoro is never at full health.

haha how do you figure?

[Saotome Ranma]

haha how do you figure?

Both Zoro and Sanji were in pretty bad shape when Kuma came along, and Zoro did a better job by far. Do you think Sanji could have taken Luffy's pain? Also, in the fight with Oz Zoro put in the most work out of Luffy's crew and he isn't the number 2 for nothing. He probley has the greatest attack power out of anyone in the crew, his speed is on par with Luffy's, he has Asura for back up, he can tank much more damage. What is Sanji really going to do? Kick him? Zoro would probley cut Sanji's legs off.

[MakeEmum]

I guess Zoro wins the first 3 situations since zoro is a small bit stronger than sanji
but Sanji wins the last one since that's like 1 power up over Zoro

[Gelu]

Both Zoro and Sanji were in pretty bad shape when Kuma came along, and Zoro did a better job by far. Do you think Sanji could have taken Luffy's pain?
Yes whoever was left standing would take the pain and be "fine" in a few days. For the first line the reason Zoro did the better job was since he was the person Kuma was targeting .

Also, in the fight with Oz Zoro put in the most work out of Luffy's crew and he isn't the number 2 for nothing.


Through out the Oz Fight Sanji had the greatest Feats Him taking a streching OZ Bazooka head on is far more impressive than anything else shown in that fight.

He probley has the greatest attack power out of anyone in the crew

Ah Feats?

His speed is on par with Luffy's

He isn't touching Gear's Luffy in speed

he has Asura for back up he can tank much more damage.

I'll give that he can tank more damage but Sanji's DJ has far better feats than Asura.


What is Sanji really going to do? Kick him? Zoro would probley cut Sanji's legs off


This is the Part which really annoys me since it is brought up every single Sanji vs Swordman X. Everyone suddenly thinks that the smartest of the 3 monsters would have no idea to handle himself against a swordsman. Seriously even if they aren't Blood lusted Sanji's comic fights against Zoro show that he can handle himself against swords.

Honestly I think Zoro would win this but people who say zoro takes this easily are deluding themselves Sanji is always shown to be only slightly weaker than Zoro and Luffy through the entire series.

[fakund1to]

Yes whoever was left standing would take the pain and be "fine" in a few days. For the first line the reason Zoro did the better job was since he was the person Kuma was targeting .

Don't get your point here


Through out the Oz Fight Sanji had the greatest Feats Him taking a streching OZ Bazooka head on is far more impressive than anything else shown in that fight.

I don't agree or disagree, I personally think they both did great


Ah Feats?

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000371/08-09.jpg


He isn't touching Gear's Luffy in speed

I agree


I'll give that he can tank more damage but Sanji's DJ has far better feats than Asura.
:lmao



This is the Part which really annoys me since it is brought up every single Sanji vs Swordman X. Everyone suddenly thinks that the smartest of the 3 monsters would have no idea to handle himself against a swordsman. Seriously even if they aren't Blood lusted Sanji's comic fights against Zoro show that he can handle himself against swords.
I agree, Sanji is the smartest, but that doesn't really help him against Zoro in battle.


Honestly I think Zoro would win this but people who say zoro takes this easily are deluding themselves Sanji is always shown to be only slightly weaker than Zoro and Luffy through the entire series.
I agree, but Zoro would win without a doubt.

[Gelu]

Don't get your point here
The reason why zoro showed more against kuma was that kuma was targeting him therefore so he had more chances to dodge and counter attack. It was just to counter sanji not doing anything during kuma fight.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000371/08-09.jpg

Which has nothing on Luffy Pushing apart 2 Skyscrapers or his Bedrock break against croc hell even him bending the bustercall ship was more powerful than that. Again i'm not saying zoro is weak but he has nothing on luffy when it comes to powerful attacks.

Edit: Forgot Ginganto Jet Shell

I'll give that he can tank more damage but Sanji's DJ has far better feats than Asura.

:lmao


Asura has been used Twice once against kuma-clone (we will never know how much damage it did) and against Kaku. It brokethe Amedichi or whatever the hell its called, whose best feat is slicing through about a foot of stonewall, compares in no way, shape or form to going head on against Oz's Baooka.

I'm sure Kaku's attack was powerful but we have no way to quantify it.


I agree, Sanji is the smartest, but that doesn't really help him against Zoro in battle.


I agree that it wouldn't help him all that much. The point of that part was that since Sanji will never fight against a swordsman (since Zoro hogs them all) in the story it should be a safe assumption that sanji knows how to fight against swordmen and people saying LOL he get legs cut off should GTFO.

Again Zoro should win. Oda Intends for him to be number 2 just behind Luffy but for the last time this is in no way a stomp for zoro.

[fakund1to]

The reason why zoro showed more against kuma was that kuma was targeting him therefore so he had more chances to dodge and counter attack. It was just to counter sanji not doing anything during kuma fight.

Maybe, Sanji was very damaged too


Which has nothing on Luffy Pushing apart 2 Skyscrapers or his Bedrock break against croc hell even him bending the bustercall ship was more powerful than that. Again i'm not saying zoro is weak but he has nothing on luffy when it comes to powerful attacks.

Edit: Forgot Ginganto Jet Shell


He cut the wagon in half, metal and wood wagon, without effort


Asura has been used Twice once against kuma-clone (we will never know how much damage it did) and against Kaku. It brokethe Amedichi or whatever the hell its called, whose best feat is slicing through about a foot of stonewall, compares in no way, shape or form to going head on against Oz's Baooka.

I'm sure Kaku's attack was powerful but we have no way to quantify it



Exactly, just as we can't quintify Oz's bazooka (wich by no means I'm saying it's weak)




I agree that it wouldn't help him all that much. The point of that part was that since Sanji will never fight against a swordsman (since Zoro hogs them all) in the story it should be a safe assumption that sanji knows how to fight against swordmen and people saying LOL he get legs cut off should GTFO.

Agreed


Again Zoro should win. Oda Intends for him to be number 2 just behind Luffy but for the last time this is in no way a stomp for zoro.
Agreed, both Luffy and Zoro would have to push it to beat him.

[Gelu]

He cut the wagon in half, metal and wood wagon, without effort

Yes which damn impressive but isn't even in the same league as
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000210/02.jpg
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000363/14-15.jpg

Again zoro has some great destruction feats Luffy just has better ones.


Exactly, just as we can't quintify Oz's bazooka (wich by no means I'm saying it's weak)

I see what you did there.

However, Oz's attacks can be scaled by comparing him to Luffy. Compare the damage Luffy's Bazooka does to his normal hits and you can get a rough idea of just how Freaking strong Oz's Bazooka has to be. He effortlessly smashed through metres concrete and steel like it was nothing with random punch X and that was before he got Moria's stretching power up.

Kaku's Ran(I'm not even gonna try to spell it) were making gouges in the floor and walls easily but you can't even compare his damage to Oz's.

I'm sure Asura will get better feats, or Oda will give Zoro new Ki techniques, but as of right now DJ tops its.


Agreed

Agreed, both Luffy and Zoro would have to push it to beat him.


I love debating reasonable people.

Anyway I just read through the Oz fight again

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000473/05.jpg

I just love that page

Edit: Woops forgot to do this part


Maybe, Sanji was very damaged too

Yeah possibly, he did just take a Gattaling gun, but we will probably never know or even care after this arc is done. Can't wait for some new feats. :dance

[fakund1to]

Yes which damn impressive but isn't even in the same league as
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000210/02.jpg
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000363/14-15.jpg

Again zoro has some great destruction feats Luffy just has better ones.


Well this is a difficult thing to say cause I may sound biased, but I think It depends on your own opinion, the pages you show there never really impressed me, I thought It was kind of a joke but It did show how strong Luffy was, though I prefer Sanji's first kick to that catfish monster or Zoro lifting tons of weight for example, wich may seem less impressive in the long run but It is arguably equal or stronger, just to give an example


I see what you did there.

:LOS


However, Oz's attacks can be scaled by comparing him to Luffy. Compare the damage Luffy's Bazooka does to his normal hits and you can get a rough idea of just how Freaking strong Oz's Bazooka has to be. He effortlessly smashed through metres concrete and steel like it was nothing with random punch X and that was before he got Moria's stretching power up.

Kaku's Ran(I'm not even gonna try to spell it) were making gouges in the floor and walls easily but you can't even compare his damage to Oz's.

I'm sure Asura will get better feats, or Oda will give Zoro new Ki techniques, but as of right now DJ tops its.

Oz's bazooka is very strong indeed, we've both DJ and Asura against Kuma and they both did the same damage, we know that at least, that instantly puts Asura on the same league, now if you wanna bet, I'd bet for Asura but that's pointless actually


I love debating reasonable people.



Me too:wink


Anyway I just read through the Oz fight again

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000473/05.jpg

I just love that page

Edit: Woops forgot to do this part


Yeah possibly, he did just take a Gattaling gun, but we will probably never know or even care after this arc is done. Can't wait for some new feats. :dance
I love that page too

[KiShiDo]

If you ask me Luffy and Zoro are stronger than the rest of the crew by far. Zoro does better in injured then Sanji does at full health.....Mainly becasue Zoro is never at full health.

With your fucking logic even Luffy would be without chance cuz he hasn't swords and he would be cut off... Even his stretching wouldn't help... So Zoro and all other swordsman >>>> everyone.

[Gelu]

Zoro lifting tons of weight for example, wich may seem less impressive in the long run but It is arguably equal or stronger, just to give an example

Well if you want to take stength showings luffy has that ridiculous gold ball feat. That thing puts luffy well over class 100 strength.

[Kagutsuchi]

Asura has been used Twice once against kuma-clone (we will never know how much damage it did) and against Kaku. It brokethe Amedichi or whatever the hell its called, whose best feat is slicing through about a foot of stonewall, compares in no way, shape or form to going head on against Oz's Baooka.

Sanji needed diable jambe to deflect Oz's Bazooka.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000477/10-11.jpg
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000477/12.jpg

Zoro redirected Oz's punch with no technique, let alone Asura.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000474/04.jpg

[KiShiDo]

Sanji needed diable jambe to deflect Oz's Bazooka.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000477/10-11.jpg
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000477/12.jpg

Zoro redirected Oz's punch with no technique, let alone Asura.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000474/04.jpg

Sanji deflected a STRECHED Bazooka instead of an simple punch without stretching like Zoro did it

[TWF]

Zoro also happened to have a massive power up in the form of Shuushio, which is why he was capable of blocking Oz's punches.

Sanji at minimum, defiently beats Zoro with repeated shots of Diablo Jambe's Flambage Shot.

Not sure afterwards but its no way or shape a stomping for Zoro or Sanji.

[Gelu]

Sanji needed diable jambe to deflect Oz's Bazooka.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000477/10-11.jpg
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000477/12.jpg

Zoro redirected Oz's punch with no technique, let alone Asura.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000474/04.jpg

Ever done vectors? Sanji actually went head on against Oz's punch Zoro didn't.

[Teach]

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/485/013.jpg

History will repeat itself.

[fakund1to]

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/485/013.jpg

History will repeat itself.

What do you mean?

[Dante10]

Man sanji takes this due to pure badassary lol in a real fight Zoro

[Dracule Mihawk]

Oz actually needed to DODGE an attack from Zoro. He admitted it would have caused him serious damage. None of Sanji's attacks could do that.

[Gelu]

It ain't important in this fight since Sanji is a close Range fighter while Zoro Pound Cannon is long.

Edit: Oz said that it would do some real damage not serious.

[Cochise]

Zoro is faster and has stronger attacks.

[Dracule Mihawk]

It ain't important in this fight since Sanji is a close Range fighter while Zoro Pound Cannon is long.

Edit: Oz said that it would do some real damage not serious.

It doesn't matter. Zoro has an attack which DAMAGES Oz WITHOUT Asura. Sanji doesn't.

Zoro is more durable than sanji

[sapphireninja]

zoro of course :amuse

[Candy]

Zoro is faster and has stronger attacks.

o i beg to differ, sanji works out what? his legs! zoro works out what? his arms! so how in heck could zoro be faster then sanji.

just my opion but they are even, pretty much. zoro is just judged better beacuase he has swords, they have even power but just in different areas. i think we can all agree on that.