MD Gatherin: Discussing some new things [Archive]

Cax

01-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Aight. Its even been discussed in the staff lounge, so now i've been told (sort of) to discuss it here.

Lately we've noticed we don't have any competitions here in the MD .. no prizes what so ever, so i decided to try and get the rap battle some prizes. the champion would get a prize, and heres how my post wen't talking about this idea:

Aight. Whats goin on staff room.. anyway, im gettin kix to post this shit because obviously i can't see here.

To start it off, what i seriously wanted, was two avatars. I saw the big Goobs with it like that before, and from then on fan-boyed about it and wanted to have two avies.. then i realised i could have just a larger avatar, but i had no way of getting it. Then i realised i was the rap battle champion of NF. Then i realised .. the MD doesnt really have any prizes at all, and the champion for the one competitive thing the MD has should get a reward. I am only the 2nd champion of the rap battle arena - but its been going strong for a while. I run it with Unrequited Silence, but i am the one who has literally made it all (He just posted it).

Heres the actual pure battling: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=286816
Here is our conversation thread: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=294057

Now, even if i wasn't the champion, i'd push for this to happen. Its quite obvious how much effort i put into this shit, not only rapping myself but making this, judging battles and keeping it up. If you ask Del, or someone else in the MD, i like to organise shit .. or make shit, i'm not sure if you get me, but anyway. We seriously put our heart into this shit, its serious business, if anyone wants to come down and spit some rhymes to show us what they're made of.. they can. Recently its been gettin even more active, and people been comin back to it. If you regularly read this or skim it you'd see the sick verses that people drop here.

Basically, what im sayin is, look at the MD .. we're our own group of people, yet still welcome others. We need prizes, and theres no better place to give prizes then our battle arena.

The prizes im thiking of, is a larger avatar (atleast to Unrequited Silence, myself and the next champion, for being the first 3 champions), bold title and sparkly name.
I'd definetly have to make a rule that the champion can only have one title match a week though, so it's basically like a SoTW but rap battling.

Don't just ignore this .. i wanna get this in action, one obviously (why would i hide it?) for the fact i wan't a freakin ace large avatar (bro, already got one ready..), i want to give the MD something and i want to give our rap battlers somethin.

Cheers for readin and doin anythin in advance.

-Cax

It has been discussed in staff, and pek came to the conclusion:

Same award system as TotM and other competition. 1 month and no "bigger avatar AND sparkles AND custom rank".

Brought it up with them and I think MD should discuss it over and so should the MD mods. I'm a bit uncertain about whether it should be the rap battle competition though. I'd like to see "lyrics of the week/month" which everyone can attend. Don't get me wrong I think the rap battle competition is pretty damn awesome, it seems like it's mostly hip-hop heads, with a few rock/metal heads, in there and that wouldn't be a "MD Competition". Pimp of the month could work too.

I sort of agree with that. So i adapted my idea, and was thinking .. the rap battle champion will still get to have a larger avatar/sparkly name/bold title. They just have to win 5 battles in a row after getting their champion title. And now, ask anyone in the thread, 5 battles in a row is VERY hard.. the closest to come is Sel i think, he got 4 in a row, and that was when there was only a few opponents around (and a few were fresh begginers at rapping).

So, us, as the MD, should really discuss this. Some ideas.

Lyrics of the months? Pimp of the month? The battle champion prizes? I think having all of these would be fucking great.

And its quite obvious .. i aint bein a tard or nothin, but the MD, we're alot different then other places on NF. All of you regs know what im talkin about and i shouldnt really need to explain why, we are in many ways.

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The current ideas:
-Rap battle champion, wins 5 times in a row, gets prize.
-Lyrics of the month/verse of the month
-Design an album cover

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 01:50 PM

Lyrics of the Month. People already established that Pimp of the Month wouldn't be fair, though I think that's BS. I could see the battle thread champ getting rewarded but what if he loses next week? His custom gets removed and the new champ wins? The mods are not going to have the time to do all of that.

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 01:52 PM

Certainly.

I would love to have a lyric based contest in the MD, I'm there are some gifted lil' writers in here, and a competition would be great for those who want to go about sharing those.

Of course, I'm sure ther could be others, like "Create your own Album Cover" or somesuch other idea. I think it's just a good idea in general to get more activity in here, and competitions are a great way to go about it.

Lamb

01-17-2008, 01:52 PM

Pimp of the month would be difficult to impossible.

As, you'd hafta listen to every pimp, and I'm pretty sure, not everyone listens to every single pimp that is pimped.

Also, when I think about how many albums are pimped per month, it's almost impossible for me to think about being able to keep up with the large amount of pimpage that occurs within a month. I get every pimp, but I'm almost consistantly 10 pimps behind.

sel

01-17-2008, 01:52 PM

It feels good knowing I've beat both champs twice <3

Yeah I've been thining about this for a while - Pimp of the Whatever time period wouldn't work since that biased on who votes since people do have preference in one area or another.

Rap Battle is only favourable to Hip-Hop-Heads, and at the end of the day it's basically about insulting each other. I mean it's been said in there that you can have intelligent lyrics and wordplay but they won't win you battles and for those reasons - Lyrics of the <time period> seems like a better bet

Or an Abbas of the Month Competition :LOS

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 01:53 PM

"Create your own Album Cover" sounds good.

Bubbles

01-17-2008, 01:55 PM

A pimp of the month is a good idea.

I can't say I ever visit the rap battle or anything because it isn't my cup of tea at all.

We all want sparkles though :amuse

Cax

01-17-2008, 01:56 PM

Yeah. Sin, you keep what you win for 3 months, and can't pick any other prize if you somehow lose champ and get it back again within 3 months.

But yeah. We should have a lyric/verse of the month, and the champion thing. And even better, a 'design album cover for album thats already been made'. Especialy for albums that could have much better cover work like 8 diagrams..

Audrey

01-17-2008, 01:56 PM

I'm all for giving awards to people who consistently contribute to the MD in multiple different ways, rather than just having awards for writing raps or lyrics, since I don't do either one. I'm indifferent to awarding specific pimps different things, because a lot of people will never listen to certain albums because they dislike the genre of music. I think an overall contribution award is the best idea. It would probably be even better if they gave more than one out every month.

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 01:57 PM

There was a thread in the Plaza about make your own album cover, which was actually a good idea, as it made impossible for you to "choose" what it was about, including the picture, the band name and the title. It may, however, be tilted towards those with PS skills, but I still think we may be able to work around it.

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 01:57 PM

I already have my lyrics written down so I'm cool with the idea.

Cax

01-17-2008, 01:59 PM

I'm going to edit my post with ideas we have. After a few days or so, i'll make a new thread with the ideas, people will post ONCE saying Yes for things they want and No for things they dont. That way we'll get the overall opinion of the MD.

pek

01-17-2008, 01:59 PM

Just for your information. Thread of the Month / Fanart of the Month and other competition winners gets 1 month of custom rank / sparkles and avatar.

Custom User Titles can be fixed easier and can probably be rocked longer because that doesn't require the creation of a new usergroup which Custom User Rank requires and rocking an avatar 150x170 for longer then a month seems out of place.

Album cover of the week/month would be something for Graphic/art department.

Bubbles

01-17-2008, 02:00 PM

less

01-17-2008, 02:01 PM

Lyrics of the Month.

Man, that brings me back (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=83725) :amuse

sel

01-17-2008, 02:03 PM

Would this be done in the same fashion as Other sections? Where the winner accumulates points and gets a prize upon reaching a certain point? Or that winner of a certain month gets prize for that month only?

Audrey

01-17-2008, 02:04 PM

I don't like the idea of prizes that last only a certain amount of time, because I'll probably cry when they're gone. X3

Cax

01-17-2008, 02:05 PM

I think that point shit is rather gay .. somewhat

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 02:08 PM

lol

Well, if it's weekly, then eventually I'm sure everyone will have one, and then the prizes won't mean anything. Unless of course, Sel decides to mop up the floor with us on every single occasion, then it's OK.

Bubbles

01-17-2008, 02:10 PM

I don't really know how you'll be able to reward anything. We MDers never really agree on anything. Nor do our "projects" ever really get finished.

Cax

01-17-2008, 02:10 PM

Dude, I eat sel like airoplane peanuts

@Bubbles: true but not true, look how strong the rap battle is. 500+ posts of pure battling, 1,100+ posts of pure battling convo.

Freiza

01-17-2008, 02:11 PM

ive won, five times in a row.

Cax

01-17-2008, 02:12 PM

Forgot about you freiza. But you battle like a cat on speed, and no offence, you battle the cats alot who aren't that up there in skills compared to others.

Freiza

01-17-2008, 02:12 PM

Freiza

01-17-2008, 02:13 PM

Forgot about you freiza. But you battle like a cat on speed, and no offence, you battle the cats alot who aren't that up there in skills compared to others.
cuz all the good ones wanna retire and shit. :mad

sel

01-17-2008, 02:16 PM

Well, if it's weekly, then eventually I'm sure everyone will have one, and then the prizes won't mean anything. Unless of course, Sel decides to mop up the floor with us on every single occasion, then it's OK.Lol what the hell? xD

Let's stop this getting off topic please, kay?

Bubbles

01-17-2008, 02:16 PM

The rap battle is fair enough but what if you're a member like myself who has no interest in rap but obviously contributes to the MD. I know I won't be the only one, hence the dilemma.

Cax

01-17-2008, 02:17 PM

Rap battle + Verse/Poetry of the month? Like that shit Less just posted, could do that..

But dont get it wrong, when we say rap .. rap is just a form of poetry

Audrey

01-17-2008, 02:18 PM

The rap battle is fair enough but what if you're a member like myself who has no interest in rap but obviously contributes to the MD. I know I won't be the only one, hence the dilemma.

I've never even clicked the rap battle thread or the rap battle discussion thread. X3

I dunno, I just don't feel like writing poetry or anything like that.

Freiza

01-17-2008, 02:20 PM

Sel..pish-posh :quite

anyways for the regular non battlin MDers they could have like best poster in the MD, or fav MD member of the month..

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 02:21 PM

Spring, the bringer of life wherever she goes
In one season she'll remove all your woes
She thought she found love, heart all exposed
But summer burned her, that's just how it goes

The same death threats read: "You're gonna get got!"
But Summer says they're all hating on him 'cause he's hot
He'll get heated quickly, if you tell him that he's not
Always packing heat, though he fears getting shot

Autumn sucks the life from all those he touches
If anything is alive, he grabs it, he clutches
He said "fuck duke" and had his way with the Duchess
Spring had to make her blossom, dude left her on crutches

Winter, the coldest cat, cannot stand a quitter
Spring said she had to go for a while, so he hit her
She wasn't cool enough, so he dropped her like litter
All his friends wear layers 'cause his wrath is quite bitter

Rap is poetry in motion.

Bubbles

01-17-2008, 02:23 PM

I've never even clicked the rap battle thread or the rap battle discussion thread. X3

I dunno, I just don't feel like writing poetry or anything like that.
We're pretty much in the same boat. I'm not a writer here so doubt i'd take part in such things. Of course this just means i'd never win anything, which in all honesty probably wouldn't bother me. It's just that it still isn't exactly fair to all md members.

Freiza

01-17-2008, 02:23 PM

She wasn't cool enough, so he dropped her like litter
All his friends wear layers 'cause his wrath is quite bitter
art man, art.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 02:26 PM

We're pretty much in the same boat. I'm not a writer here so doubt i'd take part in such things. Of course this just means i'd never win anything, which in all honesty probably wouldn't bother me. It's just that it still is exactly fair to all md members.

Yeah, not everyone wants to write rap or poetry, which is why having awards for overall contribution and being an all-around good MDer is a must.

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 02:29 PM

Yeah, not everyone wants to write rap or poetry, which is why having awards for overall contribution and being an all-around good MDer is a must.

All-around MDer? So who will be a candidates? Will everyone just randomly throw out a name and wait for the votes? Overall contribution goes back to pimp of the month. Not the actual album but the person who sent out the album. Paul would dominate that with ease. Lone Gunman and Moe for pimps.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 02:31 PM

Contributing doesn't strictly mean sharing the most music. Oh, not to mention that your candidates are subjective and your own opinion, and something I'm sure not everyone or even close would agree on.

Bubbles

01-17-2008, 02:36 PM

Hence my earlier post
I don't really know how you'll be able to reward anything. We MDers never really agree on anything. Nor do our "projects" ever really get finished.

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 02:39 PM

Very true, Bubbles. Hopefully this will be the total opposite. I'm listening to everyone's opinions and just choosing which one sounds okay with me.

Lamb

01-17-2008, 02:40 PM

Dream Brother

01-17-2008, 02:41 PM

Gonna agree with Bubbles here.

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 02:45 PM

I don't really understand why we need awards for the MD, shouldn't the music be rewarding in itself? :sag

I guess giving awards for being able to write skilled verse makes sense, but I don't think the MD should become a contest. X3

I think you're getting mistaking. The MD is the MD. This is our section that we all love and hate or stuck in between. What we are having is contests. Almost every section has contests and I don't see why MD shouldn't have one too.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 02:46 PM

Member of the "month" or whatever time period and also pimp of the "month" are shit ideas. Best pimper is also a bad idea I think (though not nearly as subjective as Audrey suggested it is it's not about whether the pimp is according to your own music tastes but how often that person pimps good quality music regardless of genre but more based on consistency and quality. Most of the new pimpers just put stuff up that I already have or could find in a heartbeat).
Obviously the lyrical thing could work as most MD'ers tend to be wordy bastards anyway reps to Less for digging up the lyrical challenge thread brings back the sweet memories and also allows people to see that lyrics doesnt just mean rap seeing as only 1 straight laced hiphop head contributed to that thread.
The album art is also a really good idea and yes it does lean towards PS skills but we could make it more tilted toward concept and less to actual proffesionalism of end project.
We could maybe also do periodic mixtape competitions everyone could put together 5 songs that they feel most exemplifies the given theme...
I dunno just throwing out ideas.

Lamb

01-17-2008, 02:54 PM

I think you're getting mistaking. The MD is the MD. This is our section that we all love and hate or stuck in between. What we are having is contests. Almost every section has contests and I don't see why MD shouldn't have one too.

No, I was mainly saying that, I don't think you should have contests over things that aren't physical or original, aka Best Pimp, Best Member etc.

I'd rather there be a bunch of contests I can't compete in, instead of a few contests I feel obligated to compete in, but know I cant win :wink

Audrey

01-17-2008, 02:58 PM

Best pimper is also a bad idea I think (though not nearly as subjective as Audrey suggested it is it's not about whether the pimp is according to your own music tastes but how often that person pimps good quality music regardless of genre but more based on consistency and quality.)

This isn't subjective in what way? Different people will or will not enjoy different things, so the quality of a pimp is clearly a matter of personal opinion.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 03:09 PM

This isn't subjective in what way? Different people will or will not enjoy different things, so the quality of a pimp is clearly a matter of personal opinion.No it's really not! I'm allergic to shellfish so don't eat it that doesnt mean a chef who makes many a shellfish dish isnt any good at what he does just because I can't enjoy it. If you only like specific types of music it says nothing at all about the quality of the music or pimp and more about personal tastes. Preference should be irrelevant esp as I like to think that a very high percent of Md'ers are eclectic in their tastes.

There have been times in the past that people in the MD have been turned onto a new artist based on the pimp of a fellow member which someone downloads and then makes a post in the convo thread or some other place saying oh my god its aces and then a few more people get it and go oh my god its aces and go on msn and tell other members who get it and go oh my god its aces. This is the only criteria that should be used in determining a goood pimp.

Edit: Though having said that I still hate the idea of best pimp. It shouldnt be something that's made into a competition.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 03:14 PM

Tehol Beddict

01-17-2008, 03:22 PM

We shouldn't have contests and rewards because since fucking when do we need shiny retard shit to keep us amused at ourselves like the rest of these fucking forums? Tch.

I'm glad we started letting the "quality is subjective!" dumbasses back in too. It'll help broaden our cuddly "just like everyone" else image. Once all of our shit starts sparkling to demonstrate our individuality, of course.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 03:25 PM

Odds are that I won't know the quality of a pimp if I don't listen to it because I dislike whatever it is. Or even if I give it a chance and I don't like it, I probably won't be like, "Wow, that's a great album and I really enjoyed it! A quality release for sure! " That's why it's subjective. You realize that I'm not supporting the idea of best pimp awards, right?
I know that you're not just added the edit to my previous post because I didnt want to sound like I am either.
It's subjective in the traditional sense but not in the MD sense god damn it. Where the only music that generates instant dislike blongs to the likes of 50 cent and where nothing else about the music matters (not the origins, age, language or genre) except for the heart or soul put into it by the artist.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 03:30 PM

It's subjective in the traditional sense but not in the MD sense god damn it. Where the only music that generates instant dislike blongs to the likes of 50 cent and where nothing else about the music matters (not the origins, age, language or genre) except for the heart or soul put into it by the artist.

Let's put it this way: I've pimped numerous black metal albums. I have absolutely no doubt that a large portion of the MD regulars who download pimps have totally skipped over my pimp thread for these albums without downloading a single one. I know it's true because almost everyone I've ever talked about it to has told me they didn't listen to them. So they can't judge the quality of something they're completely avoiding in favor of other pimps. It's a genre of music that many people avoid because it is not accessible or easy for many people to enjoy.

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 03:32 PM

Tehol Beddict

01-17-2008, 03:36 PM

Clever, sin. Too clever by half.

Didn't ask for it. Wasn't asked about it. I got re-twinned after moe's got changed.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 04:54 PM

*Stares at your custom user title and then continue to read your post* BRB.xD made me actually lol and not just in the it made me somewhat amused sense but in the true nature of the term.

Let's put it this way: I've pimped numerous black metal albums. I have absolutely no doubt that a large portion of the MD regulars who download pimps have totally skipped over my pimp thread for these albums without downloading a single one. I know it's true because almost everyone I've ever talked about it to has told me they didn't listen to them. So they can't judge the quality of something they're completely avoiding in favor of other pimps. It's a genre of music that many people avoid because it is not accessible or easy for many people to enjoy.I wont deny the fact that for the most part I don't even bother to click on you pimp threads. Too many albums are pimped there has to be some criteria you use to filter what you get. Mine is this how many opinion points does the user who pimped said album have, how many opinion points does the last user who posted in said pimp thread have aaaaand lastly how much of what I have noticed them pimping before have I already had. So for yourself in the first and last categories you kinda fall short hence I don't look at your pimps.

Brother Wayne Kramer

01-17-2008, 05:06 PM

I, hereby, remove myself from the race for Governor of Arkansas.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 05:13 PM

I wont deny the fact that for the most part I don't even bother to click on you pimp threads. Too many albums are pimped there has to be some criteria you use to filter what you get. Mine is this how many opinion points does the user who pimped said album have, how many opinion points does the last user who posted in said pimp thread have aaaaand lastly how much of what I have noticed them pimping before have I already had. So for yourself in the first and last categories you kinda fall short hence I don't look at your pimps.

I don't concern myself with who doesn't download my music. I was using it as an example of something you said doesn't happen that much, because even people who check my other pimps won't touch that thread solely based on the genre of music. I'm still right when I say quality of pimps is entirely subjective and based upon the opinions and types of things different users enjoy.

Before this goes any further, which it doesn't need to since what I originally stated is correct anyway, since the quality of music is subjective to and determined by the opinions and taste of the person who listens to it, and that people do ignore things based on genre of music, let's remember that I was using it as part of a post to say that the biggest contributor isn't necessarily the person who shares the most music.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 05:29 PM

I'm still right when I say quality of pimps is entirely subjective and based upon the opinions and types of things different users enjoy
I'm still right when I say that subjectivity has no place in the MD and I quote
I'm glad we started letting the "quality is subjective!" dumbasses back in too.
some good reading (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=10454651#post10454651)
some more (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=7185242#post7185242)
I could go back even further it's the new wave of close mindedness that seems to be turning oldsters away and has also caused a dramatic drop in general quality of pimps.

I would also like to say in terms of an MD competition I don't think we need prizes. It should just be the taking part that counts... as lame as it sounds.

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 05:45 PM

I think I may like Mike's posts in there, mainly because they read like literature pieces, aimed at people who probably already agree with him. Much more to digest, really.

However, I think Del said it best for the majority of the people:
"Hey guys. Let's all make threads where we all agree that said band that the thread is about is great and let's not have anyone disagree whatsoever because then that might make someone feel bad that someone doesn't like their band and any actual discussion about different aspects of the music is evil. Then we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya over a camp fire and cut out paper dolls of people holding hands that emulate us and the utopian bubble we live in, 'kay?"

I dont' know about the rest of you, but I'd grow fucking tired of "Let's only say positive things about bands" threads fucking quickly. I know flaming is not allowed, but I wasn't aware that calm, and thoroughly explained disagreement was flaming. And if I don't like a band, I'm usually just as apt to say why I don't, as much as when I do.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 05:50 PM

I'm still right when I say that subjectivity has no place in the MD and I quote

some good reading (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=10454651#post10454651)
some more (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=7185242#post7185242)
I could go back even further it's the new wave of close mindedness that seems to be turning oldsters away and has also caused a dramatic drop in general quality of pimps.

That's something that I agree with. I never said subjectivity was a good thing. I did, however, say that automatically picking the people who share the most music that a particular person likes is way too subjective and that most people won't see it that way. I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Voynich

01-17-2008, 05:59 PM

So should we just agree then that besides the OP no one gives a fuck about a sparkly name?

Secondly, seeing as most pimps =/= best pimps. How the hell would we decide? It would require voting. Which would come down to the few people who ARE update with pimps and then getting them to vote. 2/3 times maybe and it falls flat.

The MD is just not a dept for contests or projects. The rap battles are doing fine, so just keep it there? I really can't see a new contest coming off the ground.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 06:10 PM

I dont' know about the rest of you, but I'd grow fucking tired of "Let's only say positive things about bands" threads fucking quickly. I know flaming is not allowed, but I wasn't aware that calm, and thoroughly explained disagreement was flaming. And if I don't like a band, I'm usually just as apt to say why I don't, as much as when I do.I would cry and join Davey in his silent protest if I honestly thought most people in the MD didnt think this same way.

That's something that I agree with. I never said subjectivity was a good thing. I did, however, say that automatically picking the people who share the most music that a particular person likes is way too subjective and that most people won't see it that way. I think you misunderstood what I was saying.I was basically pointing out that you underestimate the open mindedness of many MDers I very very strongly doubt that people would pick people who shared the most of a particular genre that they liked as best pimper I know for sure I wouldnt. I can think of maybe 4 or 5 people who would but for the most part im doubtful it would go that way.

So should we just agree then that besides the OP no one gives a fuck about a sparkly name?I think we can safely say yes to this one!
The MD is just not a dept for contests or projects. The rap battles are doing fine, so just keep it there? I really can't see a new contest coming off the ground.It would come off the ground with relative ease I just don't think it would remain flying! As is the sad Md trend...
I think that it would be good to have more open lyrical competitions ala the 2006 one less posted as there are many lyrical people in here but just not in the hiphop sense.

Audrey

01-17-2008, 06:21 PM

I was basically pointing out that you underestimate the open mindedness of many MDers I very very strongly doubt that people would pick people who shared the most of a particular genre that they liked as best pimper I know for sure I wouldnt. I can think of maybe 4 or 5 people who would but for the most part im doubtful it would go that way.

I never said most people would do that. I was specifically saying most people wouldn't do that because someone did exactly that and said that the people he picked would definitely win.

delirium

01-17-2008, 06:36 PM

I don't really understand why we need awards for the MD, shouldn't the music be rewarding in itself? :sag

I guess giving awards for being able to write skilled verse makes sense, but I don't think the MD should become a contest. X3

This is actually how I feel about the whole situation.

This doesn't feel like the MD at all to be doing some shit like this. It feels like we're just latching on to some other forums game.. it feels like a damn gimmick.

rockst☆r sin

01-17-2008, 06:39 PM

Forget all of this. Since I want a custom and tried to play the game correct, tell me what to do then. If the contest is not in the Sports Bar or MD, then count me out.

sel

01-17-2008, 06:47 PM

Look at all the drama, what is this place - the chatterbox? XDD

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 06:49 PM

It's true, sadly. :(

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 06:54 PM

This is actually how I feel about the whole situation.

This doesn't feel like the MD at all to be doing some shit like this. It feels like we're just latching on to some other forums game.. it feels like a damn gimmick.There have been competitions in the MD before they started in any other subsection. It's just that they have never had any "prizes" attached and neither should they.

Forget all of this. Since I want a custom and tried to play the game correct, tell me what to do then. If the contest is not in the Sports Bar or MD, then count me out.So you were just using the MD as a means to fulfill your secret desires :pek
I never said most people would do that. I was specifically saying most people wouldn't do that because someone did exactly that and said that the people he picked would definitely win.Your objection to the inital point he raised was far more subjective than the people he listed for best pimpers... except maybe lone gunman that choice made wonder. He ranks among the top 3 pimpers of stuff already pimped or things most people should already have (as for the other two one persons name ryhmes with mass and the other is quoted in my post... *hinthint*)
Edit:Actually the second clue is wrong but the mass one still applies!

Audrey

01-17-2008, 07:09 PM

(as for the other two one persons name ryhmes with mass and the other is quoted in my post... *hinthint*)
Edit:Actually the second clue is wrong but the mass one still applies!

I looked through like 10 pages and nobody's name rhymes with "mass" so I have no idea who that is. I know for a fact that I've pimped a few things people probably already should have or maybe were even pimped, but it was always requested by people that I ought to do it. Not sure who you're talking about.

delirium

01-17-2008, 07:13 PM

That's cool that you want one, that's just my feelings on the situation though.

I look at it like this:

The whole contest stuff started in the Library to up the quality in threads because they were all going to shit. So they created a Thread of the Month comp and started giving out 150x200 ava, custom ranks/titles, sparkly names and I think a larger PM box (<--not to sure about that one though).

Then it moved on to the art department where the amount of participants in SOTW started to dwindle and so the idea of giving out prizes was used in order to up activity. This is also the situation in the literature department with the Flashfics. It's to up activity.

Now when we look at the MD, well, the MD has never really been like any of the other forums. I've always likened it to being an island. One that only us regs know the way to. Hell, one that only us regs would even bother to find. And because of that we've gone and done our own thing. We've been doing projects. We've had lyrics of the month. We've done mixtape of the month. We've had secret santas. We've done the Listening Parties. Hell, we fuckin created the word "Pimp" on NF.

We're this tight knit group that doesn't really need to "up its activity" or try and "up the quality of threads" because it's just us anyways. If someone new comes along they come along. If a different kind of thread is made we check it out and if it's of our interest we post. It's whatever. But most of all... most of the people here don't need the incentive of having some sparkly name or scrolling title. If anything, that just complicates shit (as I've seen from behind the scenes in the other comps with vote hording and what not).

That's just how I see the whole thing. They're just my thoughts. Doesn't mean my word is the final say though, as the others will tell you. We always try and come to a consensus about what we do here. If you guys do decide to try and run a comp just take my words into consideration. A certain type of person frequents the MD unlike the other forums.

IMO, though, the comp has to be something like a monthly trivia. Questions would range from what year did this record come out and on what label to who sang these lyrics. We'd use pimps, as well. Take lyrics from pimps and test out if people are checking them out. Find out obscure facts about the pimps and ask shit like... what instruments were used in this song... dadadada. And of course we'd run the gamut for genres. Punk, Metal, Reggae, Country.. whatever.

^^Take what I said for what it is..

There have been competitions in the MD before they started in any other subsection. It's just that they have never had any "prizes" attached and neither should they.

That's exactly what I meant. We've always done stuff. But we did it just to do it. That's how most of us here are. Not for the incentive. But just 'cause we're the MD. Just because we do it to hang out with all the other regs.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 07:33 PM

I am in love with your post del!!! I find it so awesome when some manages to delightfully vocalise the very same thoughts you were having but are either too lazy to put down or don't have the words to do it justice!!!

I looked through like 10 pages and nobody's name rhymes with "mass" so I have no idea who that is.It's a ryhme based on a real name and not a username...

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 07:37 PM

sel

01-17-2008, 07:42 PM

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 07:45 PM

:awesome

I'm going to bandwagon, I agree with del. Competitions are fine, but we don't really need prizes. It's not like we get amazing music as a reward for putting forward that which we think is good.http://www.norman.k12.ok.us/087/webpix/Bandwagon%20Final.jpg There is room for more....
It took me ages to realise who you were referring to xDI figured it would for most people...

sel

01-17-2008, 07:47 PM

My first though was that member Bass who mods wherever it is: and I was like - hang on. He's not an pimper xD

delirium

01-17-2008, 07:50 PM

I am in love with your post del!!! I find it so awesome when some manages to delightfully vocalise the very same thoughts you were having but are either too lazy to put down or don't have the words to do it justice!!!

It's a ryhme based on a real name and not a username...

Thank you. Y'know.. sometimes I can actually act like I deserve the colour in my name. :awesome

Oh wait.. the colour is kinda shitty. :(

--

Actually, I've given the whole thing and what I said further thought. And here's what I'm thinking. It's the cats in the battle thread that want the prizes right? So why not just give the prizes to them and keep it within that thread? What's all this bullshit about being fair and having a comp that's open to all the MDers when most of those people don't give a damn about the prizes one way or the other. They'd participate if it so interests them but that's about it (and probably lost interest after a couple of comps xD).

Isn't that a little unfair to those who do want prizes since we can't seem to come to an agreement meaning NO ONE is getting them?

So if people don't mind that the prizes will be limited to the battle thread then we can just end it there. Yay/nay?

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 07:53 PM

Yay verily.

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 07:55 PM

My first though was that member Bass who mods wherever it is: and I was like - hang on. He's not an pimper xDxD hahahaha I can see the thought process you made to arrive at your current conclusion and it amuses me greatly.

I think that keeping the prizes to just the battle thread is a good idea although I think bubbles wants sparkles and she doesnt battle. But other than that I don't imagine anyone else will have issue with it.

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Fuck you guys, I want a moving user title!

delirium

01-17-2008, 08:02 PM

I think bubbles wants sparkles

Must have missed that. I thought I remember her saying she didn't care either way. >.<

We'll see what she has to say.

--

Hey Doc.. how about some nuts on your chin. :awesome

Niabingi

01-17-2008, 08:03 PM

Fuck you guys, I want a moving user title!The fuck... user titles can MOVE!! I change my stance on this totally I want comps and prizes and a wiggly user title.

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-17-2008, 08:05 PM

We shall start a revolution.

del, was that an offer? :LOS

pek

01-17-2008, 08:06 PM

Del is just trying to trick you guys. Look at his username and his usertitle...

Freiza

01-17-2008, 09:28 PM

..:quite i diagree.

Cax

01-17-2008, 11:55 PM

So should we just agree then that besides the OP no one gives a fuck about a sparkly name?

You makin' it sound like i just want a sparkly name (which infact, if i was going to have a prize, id have a larger inspectah deck avatar) Laura. I'm just tryin to give the MD as a whole or atleast the battlers another good thing.

We gonna battle, we gonna rhyme, prizes or not, champion or not - we dont even record the wins anymore. So whatever goes down, goes down.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 06:04 AM

I've read all of the posts in this thread and the reasons yay and nay are quite interesting, but not surprising. I'm going to drop my thoughts on this later.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 06:19 AM

I think that keeping the prizes to just the battle thread is a good idea although I think bubbles wants sparkles and she doesnt battle. But other than that I don't imagine anyone else will have issue with it.
OMG lol @ the debate going on in here.

In all honesty I would love sparkles because well I like sparkles (some bubbles would be the best though) but as I can't say I contribute a great deal to the MD apart from my pimping thread, which not everyone likes anyway. There is no way i'll be getting any "prizes", the only thing i'm good at is been occasionally random. I don't really mind not having prizes, as really, why the hell should we start getting them now anyway? My point still stands though for those who may want "prizes" and like me don't battle or have much interest in rap or hip hop, the system is still unfair.

In conclusion it perhaps would have been better if this thread was never created in the first place. Then we would all continue our MD activities blissfully unaware and uncaring.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 06:36 AM

I see your point Bubbs but if nobody wants prizes outside of the battlers then it's no big deal, after all there is not gonna be one competition we could have that would be an even playing field and open to every MD'er. The reason lyrical challenges have been a recurring theme is that many people here write though the battle thread is very much hiphop there have been other comps that were just lyrics and those appeal to a surprising amount of people. I still can't think of a competition that would draw in a higher level of interest.

You makin' it sound like i just want a sparkly name Don't lie Cax you know you just want a sparkly user title to draw peoples attention away from the crackhead in your avatar!
I'm just tryin to give the MD as a whole or atleast the battlers another good thing.I think maybe for the battlers but the MD as a whole has more or less not viewed the concept of comps with prizes as a good thing..

Cax

01-18-2008, 06:50 AM

Crack head? Possibly. But this man is Inspectah Deck :del

But like i said, this is everyones opinion and everyones opinion counts in this case .. whatever goes down, goes down.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 07:00 AM

I know who it does be just he looks all cracky in that pic.. to be fair never really liked him that much though which is why his verse on triumph shocked me soooo much because I adore it to this day unyet as a rapper find him to be meh and sometimes a bit below it.

delirium

01-18-2008, 07:04 AM

Because you like OutKast as much as me you get a pass.

But you don't know how much that hurt me. :(

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 07:11 AM

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 07:21 AM

I see your point Bubbs but if nobody wants prizes outside of the battlers then it's no big deal, after all there is not gonna be one competition we could have that would be an even playing field and open to every MD'er. The reason lyrical challenges have been a recurring theme is that many people here write though the battle thread is very much hiphop there have been other comps that were just lyrics and those appeal to a surprising amount of people. I still can't think of a competition that would draw in a higher level of interest.

This thread has proved though that few may like prizes who don't battle.

In all honesty I don't think anyone deserves special treatment because this matter is never going to get resolved. It'll be far easier if we just continued as we did before by no one getting prizes. Therefor no one will get pissed off.

I don't battle but surely a "hall of fame" thread would be far easier to get special recognition for your efforts rather then "prizes". In that way the battle winners will have their spotlight and their winning lyrics shown or something. I never look at the battle threads but it's an idea.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 07:24 AM

This thread has proved though that few may like prizes who don't battle.
Really! My bad I never noticed anyone saying the prizes were a good idea! Must've skipped over some posts as I just generally speed read over pages instead of doing it proper like.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 07:36 AM

Well yes Nia considering this thread is about doing something in the MD so we can get prizes :laugh Audrey for one has certainly made her argument and some other posts as well that I can't remember.

Cax

01-18-2008, 07:51 AM

Sorry del he just never appealed I prefer GZA as a lyricist, Raekwon and ghostface as just all round rappers, Method mans voice and flow, ODB for his charisma and persona and RZA as a producer. Inspectah Deck never really got a look in for me...

Man, deck is the only one in the Wu that can go toe to toe in lyricism with the GZA.. you should notice him because he outshines the others on the tracks he's on

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 07:53 AM

Well yes Nia considering this thread is about doing something in the MD so we can get prizes :laugh Audrey for one has certainly made her argument and some other posts as well that I can't remember.Yeh but I thought only Cax and SIN wanted the actual prizes. Audrey was more arguing about the idea that people would vote for best pimper subjectively and that the people who SIN mentioned would most likely winb best pimper were his subjective choices (Both points I disagreed with seeing as Paul is a master pimper and if you check the music request thread he has like 4 times the amount of posts as everyone else due to the high volume of requests he fills he is like the MD's very own coonhound and Moe is a very eclectic and consistent pimper.. lone gunman was a very dubious choice but the other two was quite rightly metioned).

Anyway I stand by my not wanting prizes if someone has an idea for a competition then great but we don't need prizes to make it worthwhile.

EDIT: Cax I always just felt like GZA towered over everyone else in the Wu when it came to lyricism he is such a beast that anyones lyrics next to his seem like basic day, way, play, hay kind of ryhmes.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 08:12 AM

Well if there are only 2 people who want prizes, i'm sorry but, what the hell is the point of that? Sorry Cax and SIN but can't you just live without prizes? Blimey, what a carry on :facepalm

Voynich

01-18-2008, 08:40 AM

Ehhh right.

So basically, most of us don't care about prizes, can't be arsed to join a new competition and really aren't all that interested in this discussion.

So why exactly are we still going on about it? Give Cax and SIN their sparkly shit for free and close this :pek

Cax

01-18-2008, 08:48 AM

...............

Have i not made it clear? I dont want fuckin sparkly shit .. i was tryin to give the battlers or the MD as a whole somethin new, get some prizes and shit. How have i carried on..? I haven't even proposed anything new, disagreed with anyone or agreed with anyone, infact, two times now i've stated that whatever happens, happens. Thats three times now.

We gonna battle, we gonna rhyme, prizes or not, champion or not - we dont even record the wins anymore. So whatever goes down, goes down.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 09:20 AM

I'm for prizes, but I don't have the time to argue why just yet. Once I've finished my essay, I'll do so.

rockst☆r sin

01-18-2008, 11:14 AM

First of all, I see people mentioning my name. I mentioned what I would like but I wouldn't die if I didn't get it. I'm too busy reading and laughing at these stupid ass debates to make the MD seem human or non human. You don't want contests in here because other sections does it. Seriously, how spectacular do you think this section is? Convo thread, Intelligent Rap Thread, then leave. Here or there, a pimp or two. This is my MD activity. For some it's convo thread, metal, and then pimp or two. This is the direction that will carry on until eternity. This doesn't get boring to you? lol That's a stupid question since people doesn't want happiness and singing Kumbaya and holding hands stupidness in here.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 12:08 PM

^^ perhaps the whole argument really is, we've managed so far without rewarding people so why start now?

After all you comment on threads or pimp an album or join a competition because you want to. If you did it before without prizes why do you suddenly need them now? You did it because it interested you or you wanted to share your ideas or passions.

And also take into consideration how much the mere idea of awarding prizes to people has kicked up such a fuss, is it really worth it?

The MD has never universally agreed on anything in the past so it isn't going to start now. I guess most peoples point on the matter is that the MD works in a way that the regs are happy with already. We already have extra benefits just for been regs here, bigger pm storage, the ability to send messages up to 50 people at a time etc. They work because they're useful and we appreciate it. Perhaps some of us just think sudden prizes for what we were doing already are a bit much.

rockst☆r sin

01-18-2008, 12:17 PM

I respect what you're saying Bubbles. Forget about the prizes, the Battle Thread winners can be rewarded, but is the Lyrics of the Month such a terrible idea? I'm really sitting here trying to figure out how the tiniest thing is being debated. I wouldn't mind us having contests with no reward or prize. What Less posted before would be pretty fun.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 12:22 PM

Well I don't know, i don't take part in these things so it really doesn't concern me anyway. Leave it for the mods to work out, this thread has become tiresome. And with that said I now leave this thread forever.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 01:05 PM

If you don't want to participate in the contests in the first place, then I don't see the reason for you to protest rewards being given. If the majority of the people that are actually involved in the competitions are in favour of prizes, then they should be included. Unfortunately, that majority aren't regs and so they're not going to post in here. I doubt that it's only Cax, Sin and I who support it.

It feels like some people are saying that the MD is too good for prizes or that they want the MD to remain different to other sections, with no reason. Change is good.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 01:12 PM

Prizes are just novelties used as a tool to increase participation if you want the quality of the entries to go down but the number of entries to go up then prizes is a good way to go. It's not the majority of people actually involved in the competitions who want prizes it's the majority of people involved in the battle thread who want prizes. Which is why Del was saying why not limit the prize giving to that thread.
I would also like to see an occasional ressurection of the lyrical challenge we had as battling is fun but not the same type of challenge plus the quality isnt what it once was.. although I see violence fight is back and he was always good.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 01:20 PM

Incentives such as prizes are put in place to increase the morale, which in theory increases the quality. Only a fool would join something with the hopes of getting a prize and then submit something poor. As Del said, prizes were introduced in the Library to increase the quality. But maybe I'm overestimating some of the people that may join in. Prizes are also a reward for the people that are excelling and why shouldn't they be given one? If Del is in agreement with prizes for the battle thread, then that's a go. Perhaps something could be given for the best cipher of the month too.

I also want the lyrical challenge to be resurrected, since I haven't had the pleasure of participating in it.

rockst☆r sin

01-18-2008, 01:25 PM

That's exactly what I'm saying Paul and it's good to see someone agree with me. It's the BS that people were quick to dub us in other sections and I'm seeing it come to life in here with my own eyes.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 01:43 PM

If you were going to give me a prize that I could really care about then fine but no prize given on this forum is worth shit to me the only thing I can think of that would be fun is the power to change other users info without their permission (from username to profile to blog) aside from that there is nothing. Hence I would rather compete for the sake of competition and give it my own meaning.

Bottom line is people were asked for their opinions and they gave them you can either accept it or not whining about it changes little.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 01:57 PM

Everyone on the first page actually agreed with the idea of prizes and then the whining followed.

I think it's just a good idea in general to get more activity in here, and competitions are a great way to go about it.
A pimp of the month is a good idea. We all want sparkles though :amuse
I'm all for giving awards to people who consistently contribute to the MD in multiple different ways
Doc, Bubbles, Audrey, Sin, Cax, Frieza and myself are all for it. Unless some of them have now changed their minds.

Verbal Assault

01-18-2008, 02:02 PM

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 02:03 PM

We all agreed to the idea of competitions bubbles is the only one who said anything about the prizes.

rockst☆r sin

01-18-2008, 02:05 PM

That's very disrespectful heat. That's a female you're talking to and it was unnecessary. If you don't have anything useful to say, then don't speak at all. lol thank God I'm not a mod in here.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 02:06 PM

bitch :oh ....

and i got nothin to discuss in this thread.. so im out.. :oh
If you have nothing to contribute then don't post. You need to learn some respect.

We all agreed to the idea of competitions bubbles is the only one who said anything about the prizes.
No, Audrey mentioned prizes explicitly. We already have competitions, the people on the first page were agreeing to prizes.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 02:15 PM

Everyone on the first page actually agreed with the idea of prizes and then the whining followed.

Doc, Bubbles, Audrey, Sin, Cax, Frieza and myself are all for it. Unless some of them have now changed their minds.
i'm back.

I said from the start that the battles were fair enough and i even suggested a hall of fame type thread for the winners. My main beef was that those threads are completely redundant to someone like myself and I won't be the only one in the same situation.

The only thing I could possibly even take a part in would be something like a pimp of the month and that idea pretty much got thrown out straight away because of everyone's preferences and tastes.

So then I simply went on about the fairness of the whole thing and came to the conclusion that perhaps no prizes at all would be a better option. As we'd just be carrying on the same as we've always done anyway.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 02:21 PM

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 02:31 PM

I don't think that's a valid argument because the threads and opportunities are open to everyone. That's like saying the Library Thread of the Month competition isn't fair because some people don't make humorous or essay type threads in the library.
I don't know what you think you read but you seem to agreeing with me here.

Of course competitions are open to all. But if the only competition going in the MD is lyric writing or battling it's still going to leave out a lot of people. I'm sure others will want a chance to do something they're good at in the MD outside of this field.

I don't even know if i'm expressing my point anymore, my head hurts.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 02:38 PM

I'm sure others will want a chance to do something they're good at in the MD outside of this field.
Then it'd be better to find something that others can do, than to shoot down the whole idea.

pek

01-18-2008, 02:47 PM

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 02:51 PM

Then it'd be better to find something that others can do, than to shoot down the whole idea.
I haven't really, which is why my other main point up until now is that the MD can never agree on anything.

So far suggestions have been Pimp of the month, design a cd cover and lyric writing. The first two were pretty much canned straight away.

Personally I liked the cd cover idea but that was probably only because i like and am good at art. But guess what, that will surely leave out alot of people as well.

Even I am open to peoples suggestions. I just don't like the idea that someone should get special treatment in this part of the forum just because they have interests in the right area, eg battles. The argument will just go on forever.

Voynich

01-18-2008, 02:51 PM

That's kinda the problem, finding a good idea.

The rap battle has pretty much all the people who are into it participating already, so prizes for that would prolly not get extra participants.
The lyrical challenge, when restarted will still fail to interest alot of people (I mean, not all of us are into writing and most that are are already in the rap battle thread)

Picking something that would still be totally MD focussed and get quite a decent participation that will last, is really hard.

I kinda liked the CD cover design but they said it was too much focussed on art, so belonging to the art dept. But it also takes alot of time to create a good cover.

For myself, honestly, I'm neutral on the whole thing. I don't have time to participate in it anyway. But I do think that's it will be near impossible to create something that doesn't automatically exclude half the MD AND keep it running after 2/3 times.

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 02:55 PM

UCM: That's a bad comparison, any thread created in Library can be nominated for TotM. It doesn't have to be "funny" nor an essay, it's just that people prefer those kind of threads/see those threads as more useful and nominates/votes for them instead.
There's specifically a category for "humorous thread of the month". And since it's a given that the essay type threads will win ToTM, the point I was making is the same.

rockst☆r sin

01-18-2008, 02:59 PM

I'm not in the rap battle thread and I love to write. Mike, Cata, mow, Paul and Del are not in it either but have the ability to write if they want to. Likewise with Becca and Laura. Almost forgot Dre. When you think about it, almost all of the regs have the ability to write if they want to and they do not participate in the rap battles.

Voynich

01-18-2008, 03:06 PM

Want to. Can be arsed to.

That's pretty much what every fucking project here dies on. People who want to participate in stuff, are already doing so. That's exactly the point.

People need to wanna do this. Prizes will not make them wanna do it more.

It's not the point that we don't want you to start a contest. Hell go start one, who cares. The point is, will it attract more people than all the previous projects. And I say, I doubt it. Most MDers have a notoriously short attentionspan for those things.

I don't see why you keep acting like we won't let you. You pretty much got the a-okay on starting something, so go fucking do it then, since obviously no one has a decent idea for a contest and the rest can't be arsed to think of something.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 03:14 PM

Voynich pretty much says it all of what I have been trying to say.

Tehol Beddict

01-18-2008, 03:22 PM

It feels like some people are saying that the MD is too good for prizes or that they want the MD to remain different to other sections, with no reason. Change is good.

This is precisely what I'm saying.

I do not concur with the closing statement, given the context.

Want to. Can be arsed to.

That's pretty much what every fucking project here dies on. People who want to participate in stuff, are already doing so. That's exactly the point.

People need to wanna do this. Prizes will not make them wanna do it more.

It's not the point that we don't want you to start a contest. Hell go start one, who cares. The point is, will it attract more people than all the previous projects. And I say, I doubt it. Most MDers have a notoriously short attentionspan for those things.

I don't see why you keep acting like we won't let you. You pretty much got the a-okay on starting something, so go fucking do it then, since obviously no one has a decent idea for a contest and the rest can't be arsed to think of something.

This is pretty fucking spot on. I think my md [which is already significantly smaller than what most might refer to as the md, and shrinking every day] is sort of past sparkly shit, honestly. But for those of you that want sparkly shit ...well, I can mostly call it, and don't mind one way or another. I know who won't be playing for a hip flare of shiny individualism anyways, so it doesn't change anything.

As long as another fuckstupid sparkly contest doesn't do like they do everywhere else and draw the hordes of blithering fucking morons to come shit on our doorstep. Maybe no one but you guys will find out about it, then you can all feel fucking special in secret.

I'm aware that I sound like an asshole, and I mean to. The truth is, most of you I'm referring to I actually like in passing, or at least don't hate. I do fucking hate this idea though, and I fucking hate what the md is turning into/has been turning into for months, so I'll continue to be an asshole about it every chance I get. To little avail, I'm sure, but people still picket and write letters, so fuck it.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 05:25 PM

I'm aware that I sound like an asshole, and I mean to. The truth is, most of you I'm referring to I actually like in passing, or at least don't hate. I do fucking hate this idea though, and I fucking hate what the md is turning into/has been turning into for months, so I'll continue to be an asshole about it every chance I get. To little avail, I'm sure, but people still picket and write letters, so fuck it.The sentiment is harsh but one echoed by many it's just where Davey has taken a more Martin luther king jr approach with his silent protest. You are more vocal about your own opinions taking a Malcolm X like approach. Either way you're both right...

I would also like to say that I find it amusing how the prizes are now commonly referred to as "sparkles".

delirium

01-18-2008, 05:33 PM

People should be asking for their own smiley.

Now that is awesome. :del

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 05:43 PM

Just out of curiosity, what is the MD turning into?

Dream Brother

01-18-2008, 05:58 PM

Just out of curiosity, what is the MD turning into?

I was curious about that too.

Unlike the majority of you, I have no clue how the MD has slowly evolved or declined over time -- I’ve got no reference point from the past to compare to the present, and so I’m quite interested in how this place has supposedly changed.

Effloresce

01-18-2008, 06:04 PM

I was curious about that too.

Unlike the majority of you, I have no clue how the MD has slowly evolved or changed over time -- I’ve got no reference point from the past to compare to the present, and so I’m quite interested in how this place has changed.
I would like to know too.
I mean I know I don't often post here, but I quite like this section of the forums. I mean you don't all try to be something you're not, it's a shame I can't say the same about the rest of the forums.
And I'm pretty sure you all know what I mean.

Tehol Beddict

01-18-2008, 06:59 PM

The MD is turning into NF.

delirium

01-18-2008, 07:01 PM

The MD is turning into NF.

See.. I was working on this tl;dr type history lesson post. But damn if that doesn't encapsulate all the thoughts I was going to type out. :lmao

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 07:15 PM

See.. I was working on this tl;dr type history lesson post. But damn if that doesn't encapsulate all the thoughts I was going to type out. :lmaoIt really does sew it all up shut in just one sentence!

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 08:16 PM

I see. Because of my musical tastes, i only visit a small proportion of the MD. Perhaps this is why I never really noticed such things. Although must admit my activity has probably halved compared to a year ago. Ah the life of the blissfully unaware. I only still visit nf because of this department though. If it got really bad i'm sure i'd eventually put this place in my past. But alas there is still some punch to it yet. All is not lost.

BTW I'd hardly say say Davey is having a silent protest it's more that he's having a bit of a mope.

sel

01-18-2008, 08:18 PM

I think she meant the MLK likeness only in terms of appearance.

Bubbles

01-18-2008, 08:33 PM

MLK??? I'm lost

troublesum-chan

01-18-2008, 08:40 PM

omg im an idiot i thought this was somehting else

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 08:40 PM

The MD is turning into NF.
By NF I assume you mean the Chatterbox, and you're mainly talking about the MD Pic Thread. Is that correct?

MLK??? I'm lost
Martin Luther King Jr.

Dream Brother

01-18-2008, 09:01 PM

By NF I assume you mean the Chatterbox, and you're mainly talking about the MD Pic Thread. Is that correct?

He said that the MD has been 'turning into' this undesirable state for 'months', and so I assume that the main gripe can't possibly be the pic thread, as that was a very recent addition. Maybe the icing on the cake, rather than the cake itself? Although I honestly don’t see anything wrong or negative at all with a thread revolving around posting pictures, and so I doubt that the problem lies in that direction.

delirium

01-18-2008, 09:09 PM

There are some things about the MD that have never changed while others different.

Some things that are the same:

Good music still flows through this place. That's a huge part of what even brings me back here. At least once I give up NF completely it seems I can always come back to the Pimp sub forum and find something to chew on. Then there's the type of people this place attracts. Our newer regs are pretty cool. The usual strong headed people not too caught up in the forum bullshit.

Some things that have changed:

Lack of community. This is such a big hit to the MD. This place lacks the same kind of community it once had. While the same strong headed type of people are here, we're also not as chummy as we once were. Also, being an MD reg meant something different. You didn't just come in here to post in a single thread. You were involved in keeping this forum alive. There were only a handful of us here at the time thus a reg was someone who pimped, posted in the convo thread (hell posted in damn near every thread), participated in all the activities and so on and so forth.

Then there's the variety in threads. I remember back when the first page was either pimp threads, the hip hop thread, the metal thread, the jazz thread, the electronica thread, one of Cata's ED! threads, The Rate this song thread (which X revived), and an assortment of other types of discussion threads. Basically.. WE TALKED TO EACH OTHER and about all kinds of things. Again, part of the loss in community. I had an arrow next to every thread on the first page at one time. And with some of these threads that I've tried to revive.. they ended up dying again.

Then there's pimping. While I did praise the fact that good music is still flowing, the way we do it isn't the same, either. It seems like it's become this competition to see who could pimp the most all the while we don't even know if people are listening. There was a time when we'd pimp and get FEEDBACK. We'd talk to each other about what we were listening to. We'd have discussions in the threads about what we liked and disliked. We didn't just request for the album and bounce the fuck out. Whenever I see a pimp thread these days go up to 3 pages I damn near think a unicorn passed through.

There's more I can say about the changes.. but I don't know. Maybe it's time to just pass this place on to the next generation. Things change. That was our MD and we're not gonna be here forever so it's time a new cast had their MD.

Niabingi

01-18-2008, 09:31 PM

I would also say that there is a lot more by way of lack of diversity to me it seems that people skim the pimp sub section for music of their genre and then get that and that alone. I seem to remember the MD being a lot about discovering new music and new artists and not so much sticking to comfort zones and as Del said there were other threads that encouraged this (rate the song above you was a personal fave). I think one of the reason for this is the sheer volume of pimps in the sub section is somewhat ridiculous as is the number of "new" threads for albums that have already been pimped. People need to have some sort of criteria for selecting what to download especially if they have download limits or limited HD space.
I also seem to remember there being many different threads on the first two pages for people to talk in and there just also seemed to be so much more musical discovery going on. I will admit I was more of a lurker for my first year or so (did a couple of pimps and recieved many more) as I was often too lazy to post and for the most part still am. But I think the lurking I used to do back in '05 allows me to see even more clearly the changes...

mystictrunks

01-18-2008, 09:37 PM

Lyrics. Definitely.

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-18-2008, 09:47 PM

Undercovermc

01-18-2008, 09:54 PM

Who is to blame for the decline you speak of?

Dr. Boskov Krevorkian

01-18-2008, 09:57 PM

No one in particular, and I'm not saying it's because newer people are joining. I've found people like you, Lone Gunman, Kidsmoke and a few other's contributions refreshing, but the MD was usually full of other things rather than just games threads and pointless threads (I'm looking at you "What are you listening to"). Those are fine, I've even posted in it a few times, but when that's all that fills the main page, with the Metal Thread, the Hip Hop thread and possibly a few band threads, it's certainly not as interesting as it was.

As I said, I miss the discussion.

Voynich

01-19-2008, 06:43 AM

I have to agree with Del and Doc. I couldn't tell you precisely what changed but the community feeling is different.

I miss my old MD when we didn't even have our own subforum yet. When I was able to catch every pimp and slowly digest it, thus broadening my views. When I didn't feel like I was getting pushed out of my own damn subforum.

Now I get so much that I just stick to downloading things I KNOW I'll like and even those are too damn much to listen. I feel like the MD regs aren't the MD regs anymore. And I think that most people start feeling like this isn't their place anymore cause I'm seeing less and less of the people who used to hang out here each day.

Bubbles

01-19-2008, 12:31 PM

This community failure gets thrown about every 6 months or so, I just don't think it's true at all. None of you have changed it's just that you're all getting older and therefor have new commitments and probably less time. Perhaps you've discovered a new social life?

Personally I don't see any change in the discussion of projects either. For the albums I have shared past and present i've always been lucky to get maybe 4 people to talk about it or even just say, yeah i liked it. I've seen it on other pimps as well. Maybe all of the hip hop heads of metal heads just can't be bothered anymore? I don't think it's fair to say that no one is willing to experiment anymore either. I saw a thread on here about how your musical tastes had changed and loads of people replied saying they had discovered they liked new genres of music.

The MD is lazy, get over it, it always has been. You can either like it here or not.

Perverse

01-19-2008, 01:04 PM

I don't think this should make a difference to anyone, to be honest. I think we here at the MD are a very different group to the rest of the forum, and as Mike said, I don't want this place to be exactly like the rest of NF, but I don't think this is a particularly bad idea. It makes no difference to me seeing as I won't be participating.

The MD IS NOT NF. That must be made known. This competition is admittedly in the vein of NF as an entity, but I don't think it will bring 'blithering idiots to shit on our doorstep' as Mike so eloquently put it. The MD is already a quite exclusive community, and I think the general sentiment is to keep it as such. I don't think the proposed competition will change it.

rockst☆r sin

01-19-2008, 01:22 PM

Bubbles

01-19-2008, 01:30 PM

Sin your sarcasm is a little sharp

Undercovermc

01-19-2008, 01:30 PM

Some of the MD regs mentality is far more worse than a typical GB mentality. I think we should set up tests and decide who belongs in here as well, since this is a community that shouldn't allow 06 and 07 members. Having a positive attitude is killing the MD so let's study the past and reminisce about the old schools members that's never coming back.
A suitable solution to the current woe could be making the MD a hidden section or require group membership perhaps? This is similar to when the blenderites complained about what the blender was supposedly becoming and not wanting new members to join or even people complaining that NF was so much better in 05. This affixation to the past and placing it's quality above the present doesn't do much to improve anything, except make people wonder why they're still here. I think we should just enjoy what we have or do our best to improve it, the fact people are only complaining, is a shame.

rockst☆r sin

01-19-2008, 01:37 PM

Sin your sarcasm is a little sharp

No way, was that sarcasm?

Bubbles

01-19-2008, 01:45 PM

rockst☆r sin

01-19-2008, 01:50 PM

If the only way left for MD regs to be happy is by having their own private section I just think thats a very sad thing and makes me wonder if it really is the newer members who are ruining this place. Why is everyone so angry about trivial things all the time? Perhaps the MD isn't a fun place at all after all. I wonder why i've always stuck up for this section when people have said it's unfriendly. Perhaps I am a fool.

That's exactly how I feel when I use to argue with people in the CB and defend the MD, and then read some of the current posts that's being posted. It really make guys like Seto look like a genius right now.

Bubbles

01-19-2008, 02:14 PM

Undercovermc

01-19-2008, 02:19 PM

Well perhaps talks are needed with the mods about making changes, i've never been aware of such negativity in here before. The MD has bad patches but this seems to have become a vast hole. I don't know what else to say.
Making the MD a hidden section or require group membership, is far from a suitable solution. I just being subtly sarcastic there, in addition to what Sin said. But it seems like that's what some people want to happen.

jkingler

01-19-2008, 02:37 PM

What's the current drama? Don't feel like reading this whole thread. Anyone willing to provide some kinglernotes?

Catatonik

01-19-2008, 02:38 PM

That is not the solution.

I am not sure what it is. But over three years, I have watched the MD go through these phases every three months, with someone stating how it is 'Dead' constantly.

I disappear all the time.

RL, gets in the way, and is...first and foremost, my primary concern.

many of us with nothing better to do, tend to forget that RL could care less how active our cyber-community is...it happens regardless.

Niabingi

01-19-2008, 03:28 PM

What's the current drama? Don't feel like reading this whole thread. Anyone willing to provide some kinglernotes?Some people wanted competitions so that there would be more to do in the MD and felt those comps should have prizes aka sparkles or sparkley shit. Some people suggested competition ideas nothing solid was put forward then people were saying that prizes is not what the MD is about we don't need sparkles or to use other subsections or forums gimicks (things like thread of the moneth, pimp of the month or whatever comps). But some people did care about the sparkley shit mostly people from the battle thread. It was suggested that the prizes should only be for participants in said battle thread and then some people got upset that people were saying no sparkles in the MD as it was elitist or whatever to say "we don't want to do what everyone else is doing as we are better than them". This then led into this whole debate about the MD and it's attutude where Mike said the MD is becoming NF and then more offence was taken and blah blah bla....
I think I did a very poor job of summing it all up but maybe my rambling will confuse you so much you will be forced to read the rest of the thread :amuse.

Catatonik

01-19-2008, 03:34 PM

I did not even bother.

I have no interest in getting sparkled up, but if some people want cyber-bling, tis all cool in my world.

These arguements come up all the time. Mostly they amuse me.

Effloresce

01-19-2008, 04:00 PM

And bingo, Del, Mike (For those who understood) and a few others nailed it for me.

People seem to pittering off, and the MD is becoming it's open circle again. The convo thread is more or less becoming dead, the main page of the MD is usually filled with "Band Artist" games, "What are you listening to?" or "Favorite Artists" threads. Those are nice, and fine, but there's no discussion, and even if there is, it's usually one side overracting to another ("Band" fucking sucks; You guys are all elitist pricks because you don't agree with me) and that's it. No real interaction, no interesting threads (for the most part) and the regulars are slowing beginning leave. I'm against new members, I'm just not for the fact that the majority of the threads simply don't interest me, and as far as I can tell, the majority of the MD.

I'll agree with you on the shitty threads. To be honest all they seem to be is ways to get up your postcount, there's never any discussion in any of these "game" threads. It's always a one line answer and the time's I tried to make discussion nobody replied to my posts so I followed suite and ended up posting one liners too because let's face it practically talking to yourself in a thread isn't going to get you anywhere.
And you haven't actually said why you're against new members.
Sure, I can understand that you and the other MD regulars have been here for a very long period of time and have since developed your own well established group of friends, but I can't see how the newcomers are to blame.

And even with our variety, most of us only converge in the convo thread. The metal thread, hip hop thread, hell even the Punk thread are largely based of people who post nowhere else, and that is that. And the lack of just about any type of discussion besides hip hop and metal leads to it feeling rather dry at times. I can't make people want to discuss other genres, but it certainly does lead to the feelings of uninterest.
From what I've experienced the threads do have discussion, and even so it's hardly active and has to get bumped every so often.
But I see where you're going with the whole "genre" thing. Perhaps it's just what people prefer.

The MD IS NOT NF. That must be made known. This competition is admittedly in the vein of NF as an entity, but I don't think it will bring 'blithering idiots to shit on our doorstep' as Mike so eloquently put it. The MD is already a quite exclusive community, and I think the general sentiment is to keep it as such. I don't think the proposed competition will change it.
To be honest it's already happening a competion will only make it worse- but that's just my personal opinion.

A suitable solution to the current woe could be making the MD a hidden section or require group membership perhaps? This is similar to when the blenderites complained about what the blender was supposedly becoming and not wanting new members to join or even people complaining that NF was so much better in 05. This affixation to the past and placing it's quality above the present doesn't do much to improve anything, except make people wonder why they're still here. I think we should just enjoy what we have or do our best to improve it, the fact people are only complaining, is a shame.
I wasn't here in '05 but the past is the past and that previous post I made about the MD not being like the rest of the forum... I feel as though I'm changing my mind. :(

Making the MD a hidden section or require group membership, is far from a suitable solution. I just being subtly sarcastic there, in addition to what Sin said. But it seems like that's what some people want to happen.
Agreeing here too. Maybe the postcount factor might have something to do with it. People only seem to post here to raise that. >_< and honestly, I think it's pathetic I only post in here for the music and discussion although as
Dr. Boskov Krevorkian seemed to say, there's a lack of that.

And also might I add, everytime I post/lurk in here all I see is flames. e.g; The recent Paramore thread. If you don't like a certain band isn't it best to stay out of that thread regarding them?

Also, I'm against the sparkles. You'll end up with people just posting here for a fucking sparkly username, and then your MD "community" would be gone for good and it'll be a shame for all of you really...

Catatonik

01-19-2008, 04:17 PM

Also, I'm against the sparkles. You'll end up with people just posting here for a fucking sparkly username, and then your MD "community" would be gone for good and it'll be a shame for all of you really...

To be fair, we have some VERY good rhyme-sayers in here..they would have to work to get the sparkles...if so, well...let them have their cyber-bling.

On the whole, i find this constant trend towards closed doors ridiculous, most people who are now regs would not be if we had Closed Doors of some sort.

Honestly, the problem is not the new people you need that flood of idiocy to find the intelligent in there. the problem is the open-belief that idiocy should be tolerated, even coddled. Fuck the post count threads. Start some good ones. RESPOND to the good ones. Who cares who fucking started them >.>

Also, thr slathering idiot masses have been camping and shitting on our proverbial doorstep well before NF reached 300,000 registered users.......

Lamb

01-19-2008, 04:32 PM

To be fair, we have some VERY good rhyme-sayers in here..they would have to work to get the sparkles...if so, well...let them have their cyber-bling.

On the whole, i find this constant trend towards closed doors ridiculous, most people who are now regs would not be if we had Closed Doors of some sort.

Honestly, the problem is not the new people you need that flood of idiocy to find the intelligent in there. the problem is the open-belief that idiocy should be tolerated, even coddled. Fuck the post count threads. Start some good ones. RESPOND to the good ones. Who cares who fucking started them >.>

Also, thr slathering idiot masses have been camping and shitting on our proverbial doorstep well before NF reached 300,000 registered users.......

I think that's the perfect answer to any problem your having. It's all good to complain about the horrid quality of threads in the MD, but how many of you are actually making decent threads to counter act the stupid ones? Next to none.

And any ideas about making the MD a hidden area are fucking retarded. It means that people who only post on NF for the music section, such as myself, are suddenly barred from a decent music section, why? Because you guys have decided that elitism goes beyond just being able to tell the difference between shit and gold, which is a surprisingly hard skill to attain, and rub it in the face of those who don't.

If you really don't like the people who post in the MD now, then make it known you think that casual music listeners are not welcome here, not many people are going to be willing to post in a section that is firm in its belief that people who aren't them are lesser beings. If someone calls you elitist, then you bash them more.

Don't bitch about the quality of the members or the threads in the MD if you're not all willing to man up and make it what you remember it being. Laziness is no excuse, you're all wordy fucks, why not use those words to actually do something with this section?

Auraya

01-19-2008, 04:45 PM

And any ideas about making the MD a hidden area are fucking retarded. It means that people who only post on NF for the music section, such as myself, are suddenly barred from a decent music section, why? Because you guys have decided that elitism goes beyond just being able to tell the difference between shit and gold, which is a surprisingly hard skill to attain.

Okay so I post in here on a very rare occasion, and I usually just lurk about the threads, but I would hate if this was made into a hidden area. Just because some people might post some crap in here doesn't mean you should rule out everyone because of certain people.

This is the sort of section it can be hard to post in when you know some of the people posting in here have been posting from pretty much day one and are quite familiar with the MD. Making this a hidden area would most likely make the problem worse, because then there would be little traffic through here and although regular members would gain access , many people might not bother if this became hidden and you could miss out on some potentially interesting topics

Voynich

01-19-2008, 04:53 PM

Okay, everybody just chill.

This explosion of whine, "omg I hate it here" and pointless tries to reshape the MD happens at least once a year and more often once every 6 months at the MD. Regular cycle, has been for 4 years and prolly will be for years to come. Nothing ever comes out of it except a rejuvinated love of the MD.

So everyone cool down, take a break and mostly, stop contributing to the drama. It isn't going anywhere.

Dream Brother

01-19-2008, 05:03 PM

Didn’t this whole ‘hidden section’ crap stem from an utterly sarcastic comment by UMC? It was a joke, people. If someone really did seriously propose that and I missed it, though, then that’s just even funnier. Elitism to the level of stupidity.

Drama, meh. I agree with Voy.

Undercovermc

01-19-2008, 05:08 PM

Yes, let me reiterate that it was a sarcastic comment. I said it because that's the level of elitism being shown by others, in my opinion.

But whatever, I'm done.

Catatonik

01-19-2008, 05:13 PM

No, I was not reffering to the Invisible Forum thing, but the close tight and shut-out new people attitude that keeps popping up. I recognized that Paul was being sarcastic.

pek

01-19-2008, 06:23 PM

It's decided then. I'll give a prize myself whenever someone wins a competition.

delirium

01-19-2008, 08:27 PM

This affixation to the past and placing it's quality above the present doesn't do much to improve anything, except make people wonder why they're still here. I think we should just enjoy what we have or do our best to improve it, the fact people are only complaining, is a shame.

I only come back for the music; pimp sub forum and occasional request.

The music is enough to keep me coming here since ultimately, that's what it's about. That doesn't mean that it wasn't a little more fun when I had someone to talk to about what I was listening to.

I've always tried posting in all threads I find interesting and adding what I can. That's about as much as I can do.

No, I was not reffering to the Invisible Forum thing, but the close tight and shut-out new people attitude that keeps popping up.

I don't remember any regs suggesting this. Though I do agree about the coddling of idiocy which I'm partly to blame when I first became mod. But now I realize what people were calling elitism are simply our standards.