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The Cheat
01-13-2008, 03:50 PM
Seriously, I'm getting tired of this all dubs suck shit. Why do some people think all dubs suck?

Franklin Stein
01-13-2008, 03:53 PM
well they do the english voice actors suck so hard

Kubisa
01-13-2008, 03:53 PM
Most dubs do suck though.

Although there are a few exceptions, such as Death Note, DBZ, and Naruto. Of course this is just my opinion.

iDrum
01-13-2008, 03:54 PM
I know that in my experience, many dubs have been disappointing. many American voice actors, not all mind you, tend to show little emotion compared to their Japanese counterparts, or they end up making the voice sound ridiculous and unlike what you think they should sound like. Of course, a lot of people download their anime, and that of course is almost always in Japanese with subtitles. People get used to the original voices, and when they hear the dub, they are dissappointed because the dub voice isn't like the original Japanese voice.

ragnara
01-13-2008, 03:55 PM
I don't like dubs because they almost never reach the quality and/or the full original meaning behind everything that is said. Also there is the subject with the
awful voices which take away a lot of the intended athmosphere.

Even when the dub is good, I always prefer the original.

Auraka
01-13-2008, 03:56 PM
Because the original voices are better ( in my opionion), and sometimes they change the speech in dubs.

That's why I hate dubs...

Robotkiller
01-13-2008, 03:56 PM
I happen to think that Full Metal Alchemist had an amazing dub. I actually prefer it to the Japanese version. It really just depends on how much effort is put into the actually act of dubbing.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 03:57 PM
well they do the english voice actors suck so hard

You fail big time.

Micah
01-13-2008, 04:00 PM
Full Metal Dub, Dub Note were both fantastic in my opinion. Bleach isn't bad. Ghost in the Shell was really good.

Not all dubs suck, just alot.

Franklin Stein
01-13-2008, 04:01 PM
u seem to think i care if i fail lol ur funny some of them have bad voice actors but fma was good lol naruto is shit all he says is belive it lol

iDrum
01-13-2008, 04:03 PM
Adding to my previous post, I think a lot of it has to do with budget. Just like bigger budget movies get better actors, bigger budget dubs get better voice actors. Of course there are going to be exceptions to the rule, but this is generally how it happens.

chrisp
01-13-2008, 04:04 PM
Beacause they can't surpass DBZ?

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:05 PM
u seem to think i care if i fail lol ur funny some of them have bad voice actors but fma was good lol naruto is shit all he says is belive it lol

He stopped saying believe it nearly 100 episodes ago, dattebyo is almost as reatarded.

The Space Cowboy
01-13-2008, 04:05 PM
Some dubs don't suck like the Hellsing dub.

BTW: DBZ was surpassed a -long- time ago

pajamas
01-13-2008, 04:12 PM
DBZ/FMA/YuYu

They were all good dubs :oh

Horrid Crow
01-13-2008, 04:19 PM
Come to Holland, watch shows with Dutch dubs, and then ask again why we think dubs suck.
This doesn't go for Dutch dubs only though, I find nearly every English/American dub to be almost as bad.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:24 PM
Come to Holland, watch shows with Dutch dubs, and then ask again why we think dubs suck.
This doesn't go for Dutch dubs only though, I find nearly every English/American dub to be almost as bad.

A lot of english dubs are good.

Mecha-Kisame
01-13-2008, 04:25 PM
Why do people think Nazis were assholes?

Most of them simply were (are?).

Smoke
01-13-2008, 04:26 PM
Why do people think that dubs suck hard
Cuz they do:zaru

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:26 PM
Why do people think Nazis were assholes?

Most of them simply were (are?).

Not that many dubs suck.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:27 PM
Cuz they do:zaru

Not all of them do.

Horrid Crow
01-13-2008, 04:27 PM
A lot of english dubs are good.

And a lot of them aren't.
I can only think of DBZ/GT when thinking about a good English American dub.
Have you ever seen Naruto in English? It's hilarious compared to the original.

Spanish Hoffkage
01-13-2008, 04:27 PM
lol

I just cant watch dubs anymore

the old blood starts to boil

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:32 PM
And a lot of them aren't.
I can only think of DBZ/GT when thinking about a good English American dub.
Have you ever seen Naruto in English? It's hilarious compared to the original.

The english version has some good acting and goes easy on the edits. Plus, there is an english uncut version. And bring up believe it, he stopped saying it nearly 100 episodes and dattyebto is just as retarded.

Outlandish
01-13-2008, 04:39 PM
why settle for second best when you can download the subs for free ?

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:46 PM
why settle for second best when you can download the subs for free ?

True, very true unless someone prefers a dub.

Shirker
01-13-2008, 04:46 PM
Simple answer. They're called subtards. No, I don't mean people that tolerated subpar dubs and like the really good ones (Naruto, FMA, Bleach, FuniPiece, Death Note, etc...); I'm perfectly aware that there are aweful ones. I mean the ones that hate all dubs without even seeing them for either retarted reasons or no reason at all. They get themselves use to JP voice acting and then get upset when the English (or other language) VA doesn't "do justice to the character" like their oh-so-precious seiyuu.

I'm gettin' tired of it as well cheat... eh, but what can you do?

Shirker
01-13-2008, 04:50 PM
why settle for second best when you can download the subs for free ?

Simple. If you want the title of anime fan. Unless you import legal stuff from Japan, you really can't call yourself one. :zaru

Unless, you don't want to be one... in which case....... why are you here!?! OMG, intruder!!!! :omg

Ornina
01-13-2008, 04:56 PM
Come to Holland, watch shows with Dutch dubs, and then ask again why we think dubs suck.
This doesn't go for Dutch dubs only though, I find nearly every English/American dub to be almost as bad.

Truth :pek I'm glad Naruto hasn't aired there yet. My first experience with dub was bad, and changed my love for the scene I watched. I just grew used to Japanese voices, and the emotion the original voice had was lost on me and just sounded fake.

I'd watch it in dub if necessary, but imo Japanese VA's are just better.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 04:57 PM
Simple. If you want the title of anime fan. Unless you import legal stuff from Japan, you really can't call yourself one. :zaru

Unless, you don't want to be one... in which case....... why are you here!?! OMG, intruder!!!! :omg

I prefer to download myself,too much for the uncut dvds, naruto boxsts uncut usually 50 bucks,and take up to volume 6 10 reach 104 while the DBZ uncut boxsets cost 35 bucks and by volume 4 their up to the trunks saga.

Shirker
01-13-2008, 05:09 PM
I prefer to download myself,too much for the uncut dvds, naruto boxsts uncut usually 50 bucks,and take up to volume 6 10 reach 104 while the DBZ uncut boxsets cost 35 bucks and by volume 4 their up to the trunks saga.

Oh, don't get me wrong. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, I download too. But that's because I'm broke as a vase in a children's playroom. I was just pointing out that people that like to call themselves true anime fans either add to sales/publicity of said anime here in the US, or import the stuff from its source. As of now, I don't have the cash to get that title myself :cry

Download if you want, everyone wants to know the story, just contribute to its success afterward. :)

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 05:10 PM
Cause they are inferior in the department of "quality" to the japanese original.

Kira Yamato
01-13-2008, 05:15 PM
Just like people...some are good and some suck.

Blood Plus, Eureka 7, Full Metal Alchemist, Death Note and fooly Cooly were well dubbed.

While others weren't so fortunate, but that's a risk you take when put your trust in a company or entity to do a job of translating a series that has it's own inherent charm and features.

Horrid Crow
01-13-2008, 05:15 PM
The english version has some good acting and goes easy on the edits. Plus, there is an english uncut version. And bring up believe it, he stopped saying it nearly 100 episodes and dattyebto is just as retarded.

No, they haven't got good acting.
I don't know if it is because I watched Naruto in Japanese all this time, but the English voice actors really sound out of place if you ask me.

Truth :pek I'm glad Naruto hasn't aired there yet. My first experience with dub was bad, and changed my love for the scene I watched. I just grew used to Japanese voices, and the emotion the original voice had was lost on me and just sounded fake.

I'd watch it in dub if necessary, but imo Japanese VA's are just better.

You from the Netherlands too? :)
And yea, watching Dutch dubs ruins the experience amazingly well.
I'm glad they aired DBZ/GT with English dubs and Dutch subd a few years ago, because every other anime (and we haven't got that much really) gets ruined through Dutch voice actors.

I've heard they are planning on doing Naruto in the near future too, seeing how Fox Kids has changed into Jetix more then a year ago and they already promised us it would be aired by the end of last year earliest.
Man, cannot even imagine how bad it will be. :hehee

Shirker
01-13-2008, 05:21 PM
How'd I know Dreikoo'd be here :P

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:21 PM
Cause they are inferior in the department of "quality" to the japanese original.

Well that all depends on opinion and first expieneces, like I've seen watch the subbed and dubbed versions of FMA. Another example when the watched dbz subbed and saw the episodes where trunks killed freiza and cold, I didn't get the exciment when I did watching the dub, I thought trunks was cool when those episodes. I think subbed DBZ is better but it wasn't as fun and exciting when I was younger and more into it(I was into from Kindergarden till the sixth grade). Transformers was an edited anime and it has a huge fanbase, i bet if some fans watch the original version,it wouldn't be as much as fun for them watching the dub when they were younger.

So it comes down to what you expierence first.

I.P. Standing
01-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Seriously, I'm getting tired of this all dubs suck shit. Why do some people think all dubs suck?Thank you, thank you, thank you.

The 90's DBZ era of shitty dubs has long been over. AS/Toonami have put out anime after anime with at least satisfactory dubbing quality, if not excellent quality. FMA, Robotech/Macross, Samurai Champloo, Outlaw Star, Fooly Cooly, Eureka 7, Paranoia Agent, etc...

Shit, one series in particular, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, has a dub that is so good, it surpasses the original VA work, IMO.

But sadly, like most first impressions, it's hard for people to accept that things have changed.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Well that all depends on opinion and first expieneces, like I've seen watch the subbed and dubbed versions of FMA. Another example when the watched dbz subbed and saw the episodes where trunks killed freiza and cold, I didn't get the exciment when I did watching the dub, I thought trunks was cool when those episodes. I think subbed DBZ is better but it wasn't as fun and exciting when I was younger and more into it. Transformers was an edited anime and it has a huge fanbase, i bet if some fans watch the original version,it wouldn't be as much as fun for them watching the dub when they were younger.


That's cause young people are stupid,impressionable and not worthy to base decisions upon , i'm sure you liked some things when you were younger that now you consider stupid and would never watch....and just cause somethign is popular it doesn't mean it's good...cause pokemon has the biggest audience in america but i doubt you think of it's anime as better than death note or naruto...

Doggie
01-13-2008, 05:28 PM
They seem bad because reading a line like "now I'm going to crush you" doesn't seem as stupid as actually hearing a voice actor saying it. Reading subtitles creates an illusion of quality, but in reality, the Japanese voice actors sound just as cheesy as the American ones, we just can't appreciate it fully. If an anime seems crappy in English, it probably isn't because the dub sucks, it's more likely that the anime itself sucks. You just couldn't tell that when you were reading the subtitles.

Purgatory
01-13-2008, 05:29 PM
Japanophiles

Unless your name is Viz or...possiblt FUNi, your dub has a high chance of sucking.

golthin
01-13-2008, 05:33 PM
Seriously, I'm getting tired of this all dubs suck shit. Why do some people think all dubs suck?

Nothing against dubs, but if you can understand Japanese, you can discern that even an average Japanese "Seiyuu" is far superior than one of the best English voice actors.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:34 PM
That's cause young people are stupid,impressionable and not worthy to base decisions upon , i'm sure you liked some things when you were younger that now you consider stupid and would never watch....and just cause somethign is popular it doesn't mean it's good...cause pokemon has the biggest audience in america but i doubt you think of it's anime as better than death note or naruto...

You have a point but I wasn't that impressonable, I was into into DBZ for the action which is pretty much the selling point, I still DBz but there are many anime better than that. The pokemon anime stopped being popular years, its just still remembered, the games are still are oblivously popular. But it depedns on opinon really, for example i prefer the english version of onegai sensei to the original version mostly because I watched and tried watching the japanese version but didn't like the voices

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 05:34 PM
They seem bad because reading a line like "now I'm going to crush you" doesn't seem as stupid as actually hearing a voice actor saying it. Reading subtitles creates an illusion of quality, but in reality, the Japanese voice actors sound just as cheesy as the American ones, we just can't appreciate it fully. If an anime seems crappy in English, it probably isn't because the dub sucks, it's more likely that the anime itself sucks. You just couldn't tell that when you were reading the subtitles.

Not true one bit , through my anime fandom i've been studying japanese and the more i understand the language the more i enjoy my anime cause of some small things unable to be displayed in the subs that i understand that have a huge impact.


It sounds stupid in english cause the actors are stupid emotionless underpayed bafoons and lack the training japanese seiyuu undertake , not cause of the anime being bad.

Zasaki
01-13-2008, 05:34 PM
Subs for the win.
What.the.hell is the point of dubbing things when we have texting?
Can't people read?
Oh sure its for the little kids that can't read so fast yet!
Fine fine... I guess that is kinda ok in a way.
Like kids so small they can't read yet would understand what Naruto/other anime was about >_>;
But dubbing movies (that are for adults anyways) that is going to far. (kinda off topic but its about dubbing anyways)
A movie/show is made and a person is set as the actor/voice actor like the creator has imagined it should be. Perfect.
But it gets ruined and stripped for alot of things when you dub.

I wanna cry when I think of the idea announced that they were thinking of dubbing Naruto in norwegian and sending it on cartoon network...
Seriously, that would sound so unimaginably stupid.

And the thing that irritates me most about dubbing?

The fact that the english voice actors cannot pronounce the characters names right! :D

THAT is the most irritating thing.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 05:38 PM
I could watch english subbed anime ever since i was 13 without any problems and i'm greek so english is my second language...so yeah the "it's too fast to read" excuse it stupid since the audience most anime are aimed at is the 12+ one....and those are of the native english speaker kind which should be better at reading in their own language than a foreigner.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:42 PM
Not true one bit , through my anime fandom i've been studying japanese and the more i understand the language the more i enjoy my anime cause if some small things unable to be displayed in the subs that i understand that have a huge impact.


It sounds stupid in english cause the actors are stupid emotionless underpayed bafoons and lack the training japanese seiyuu undertake , not cause of the anime being bad.

Dreikoo, I respect, but I dare you TO GO CALL NICE ENOUGH TO STOP BY HERESTUPID EMOTIONLESS UNDERPAID BAFOONS. There are plent of good actos like steven blum or crispin freman who have a lot of expierence in acting.

Lainex9
01-13-2008, 05:42 PM
good dubs to mildly acceptable: cowboy bebop, witch hunter robin(original still better) FLCL, seral exp lain, FMA,(not a big fan of it, but it was good and distinctly different from the jap verson) eruka seven, gundam wing

bad dubs, death note, candidate for goddess, rumbling hearts, blood plus, naruto, bleach, DBZ/GT, efile leid(sp?, god was it aweful). robotech, most of the gundam series, big O, Sailor Moon

those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head. i don't watch very much dub cause they always pick voice actors with extremely annoying accents, speech manurisms, high pitch voices that squeal at the beginning of every stences.

edit, honestly i'm insulted and offended by most dub animes. i've maybe met 3 or 4 people in my life with really anoying voices or speach patterens, like so anoying i have to walk away.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Dreikoo, I respect, but I dare you TO GO CALL NICE ENOUGH TO STOP BY HERESTUPID EMOTIONLESS UNDERPAID BAFOONS. There are plent of good actos like steven blum or crispin freman who have a lot of expierence in acting.

To go do what? :huh

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:46 PM
Subs for the win.
What.the.hell is the point of dubbing things when we have texting?
Can't people read?
Oh sure its for the little kids that can't read so fast yet!
Fine fine... I guess that is kinda ok in a way.
Like kids so small they can't read yet would understand what Naruto/other anime was about >_>;
But dubbing movies (that are for adults anyways) that is going to far. (kinda off topic but its about dubbing anyways)
A movie/show is made and a person is set as the actor/voice actor like the creator has imagined it should be. Perfect.
But it gets ruined and stripped for alot of things when you dub.

I wanna cry when I think of the idea announced that they were thinking of dubbing Naruto in norwegian and sending it on cartoon network...
Seriously, that would sound so unimaginably stupid.

And the thing that irritates me most about dubbing?

The fact that the english voice actors cannot pronounce the characters names right! :D

THAT is the most irritating thing.

Because people prefer watching tv to reading and watching tv at the time, when people want to read they usually read magazine or books, it just the way people are. When they to watch tv, they just want to plain watch tv. When they want to read, they read books.

mad-ass
01-13-2008, 05:46 PM
But animations like Shrek are actually well dubed

Shark Skin
01-13-2008, 05:46 PM
I think that there are good dubs and there are bad dubs. Can't really generalize and say all of them suck because that's simply not true (then again it is a matter of opinion). The dubs that I watch now are quite good. Naruto is good, Bleach is good (it does have some questionable voices, but overall it's good), Death Note is really good. I saw Samurai Champloo in both sub and dub and found it easy to alternate (because I couldn't always find the dub). And there are dubs that are bad like the old One Piece although I don't watch it much. Oh yeah YuGiOh was horrid... But my point is that it's really a matter of preference.

Doggie
01-13-2008, 05:46 PM
Not true one bit , through my anime fandom i've been studying japanese and the more i understand the language the more i enjoy my anime cause if some small things unable to be displayed in the dubs that i understand that have a huge impact.


It sounds stupid in english cause the actors are stupid emotionless and lack the training japanese seiyuu undertake , not cause of the anime being bad.

I'm studying Japanese too, and I've come to the complete opposite conclusion. Understand that this wasn't an idea I just came up with off the top of my head, it's something I've concluded after looking at a hell of a lot of anime in both japanese and english. But, it's not really something I can prove and ultimately it's a matter of opinion.

Also, believe it or not, English voice actors go through training too. Japanese people don't have some mysterious gift for voice acting.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:47 PM
To go do what? :huh

Sorry, I must have acciendentality written over my text, i meant you to go insult the actors in their face.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 05:48 PM
Because people prefer watching tv to reading and watching tv at the time, when people want to read they usually read magazine or books, it just the way people are. When they to watch tv, they just want to plain watch tv. When they want to read, they read books.

That's just stupid , in most other countries there's countless subbed programs on TV and watching TV often includes the "reading the subs" part.

Sorry, I must have acciendentality written over my text, i meant you to go insult the actors in their face.

If i met the guy who dubbed one piece i'd not insult him , i'd fucking punch him in the gut :mad...but sadly i don't care so much about their unimportance existence to go seek em out :P.

There were some VAs of naruto here and a few months ago i think it was the gai dude that i told something of the sort and what he said was in the lines of "he understands my feelings and that he always tries to give out at least some emotion...but he can only speak for himself"....so yeah he sort of agreed lol.

I'm studying Japanese too, and I've come to the complete opposite conclusion. Understand that this wasn't an idea I just came up with off the top of my head, it's something I've concluded after looking at a hell of a lot of anime in both japanese and english. But, it's not really something I can prove and ultimately it's a matter of opinion.

Also, believe it or not, English voice actors go through training too. Japanese people don't have some mysterious gift for voice acting.

I suppose since you're american and i'm Greek we consider different things foolish.

And sorry but in japan seiyuu are treated like superstars....nothing like how they're treated here , i wonder why? :P

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:53 PM
That's just stupid , in most other countries there's countless subbed programs on TV and watching TV often includes the "reading the subs" part.

Its the americans are mainly, when me and my parents watched pan's labyrinth, my dad at first didn't want to watch cause it was in spanish. I'm sure the japanese prefer to watch programs in their own language on tv and the movies since a lot of foreign programs are dubbed there. The japanese seiryuu for DIZ of KH2 himself do some voiceovers for the english version of the sean connery bond movies, bewitched was dubbed in japanese as my wife is a witch.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 05:54 PM
That's just stupid , in most other countries there's countless subbed programs on TV and watching TV often includes the "reading the subs" part.



If i met the guy who dubbed one piece i'd not insult him , i'd fucking punch him in the gut :mad...but sadly i don't care so much about their unimportance existence to go seek em out :P.

There were some VAs of naruto here and a few months ago i think it was the gai dude that i told something of the sort and what he said was in the lines of "he understands my feelings and that he always tries to give out at least some emotion...but he can only speak for himself"....so yeah he sort of agreed lol.

Who doesn't hate 4kids?

Anyway, subbed programs could work in america, the japanese program sasuke is subbed and called ninja warrior,its aired on g4 and is actually popular on that channel.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 06:01 PM
Who doesn't hate 4kids?

Anyway, subbed programs could work in america, the japanese program sasuke is subbed and called ninja warrior,its aired on g4 and is actually popular on that channel.

Yeah i know , history channel(i think) had a miyazaki marathon like a year ago and they showed most of his movies uncut and in japanese...and with NO advertisements :)....why can't they all do that?

Shark Skin
01-13-2008, 06:04 PM
Yeah i know , history channel( think) had a miyazaki marathon like a year ago and they showed most of his movies uncut and in japanese...and with NO advertisements :)....why can't they all do that?

Because usually the channel needs to get one or two sponsors to pay major money and the sponsors don't always want to have to pay up that much money.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 06:15 PM
Yeah i know , history channel( think) had a miyazaki marathon like a year ago and they showed most of his movies uncut and in japanese...and with NO advertisements :)....why can't they all do that?

You do know that dub actors(hell, even cartoon VAs) don't recogntion as seiryuus do is because most american adults don't watch animation, they mostly see as for kids because animation in the past was made that way. The first animation aimed at adults was flintstone but when pebbles came in ,it lower its standards and became aimed at kids. I heard that was an animated movie for adults in early 1970s but was unknown, most cartoons are still for kids, the only adults cartoons are on fox and adult swim. The only other adult cartoon on another channel was spawn, there has been cartoons aimed at kids and adults ,it was a batman:the animated series where ad things like guns in it. It was a good series, the plots were serious and it actually had statge trained actors for the voices. The most viewed channels that adults watch are fox,nbc,cbs,and abc.

There might a time when anime in america recievces some actual recognition, anime in japan didn't even reach mainstream till the 80s and I think the first anime that was truly for adults was akira.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 06:19 PM
You do know that dub actors(hell, even cartoon VAs) don't recogntion as seiryuus do is because most american adults don't watch animation, they mostly see as for kids because animation in the past was made that way. The first animation aimed at adults was flintstone but when pebbles came in ,it lower its standards and became aimed at kids. I heard that was an animated movie for adults in early 1970s but was unknown, most cartoons are still for kids, the only adults cartoons are on fox and adult swim. The only other adult cartoon on another channel was spawn, there has been cartoons aimed at kids and adults ,it was a batman:the animated series where ad things like guns in it. It was a good series, the plots were serious and it actually had statge trained actors for the voices. The most viewed channels that adults watch are fox,nbc,cbs,and abc.

There might a time when anime in america recievces some actual recognition, anime in japan didn't even reach mainstream till the 80s and I think the first anime that was truly for adults was akira.

Exactly , that's the reason why they don't pay proper attention to their dubs since "it's for kids" and that's why dubs suck , thank you for proving my point and giving the answer to the question you asked here :P.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 06:27 PM
Exactly , that's the reason why they don't pay proper attention to their dubs since "it's for kids" and that's why dubs suck , thank you for proving my point and giving the answer to the question you asked here :P.
I have seen many dubs aimed at adults,thats why there are dubs on adult swim. For example, if the onegai sensei dub was aimed at kids it wouldn't keep the fanservice and it kept the fansercive. A lot of dubs are aimed at adults. Besides, the dubs that usually aimed at kis were anime aimed at kids in japan.

Besides, you did not understand what i said, the reason why adults don't attention because they think its for kids.

Shark Skin
01-13-2008, 06:29 PM
IMO VIZ actually does pay good attention to their dubs. I know some have said that dubs don't capture the emotion of the originals, but I have to disagree at least with some dubs especially Naruto. Right now they're doing a great job conveying the emotion of Sasuke v Naruto and the entire Rescue Sasuke has been done well.

Shintiko
01-13-2008, 07:14 PM
The thing that bothers me most about the Naruto dub is that I've never seen anyone in it pronounce Kakashi correctly. They always pronounce it as "Kuh-Kah-shi" with an emphasis on the second syllable. It should be pronounced as "Kah-kah-shi".

Kira Yamato
01-13-2008, 07:26 PM
Exactly , that's the reason why they don't pay proper attention to their dubs since "it's for kids" and that's why dubs suck , thank you for proving my point and giving the answer to the question you asked here :P.

It doesn't explain why a great deal of dubbed Hentai are gawd awful :oh

But the rest of the earlier comments by The Cheat does hold a bit of truth. Voice Actors aren't given the same recognition as their Japanese counterparts, and you just have to look at how much attention is given to the opening and ending themes that are usually done by well known Japanese recording stars, while the American companies that do decide to record an American version (which is thankfully decreasing) aren't given the same star power treatment and are done by anyone who happens to know how to rhyme (or rap in the case of DBGT and One Piece), but like I said those instances are decreasing as better and better dubs are being released, especially those catered to a slightly older audiences.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 07:53 PM
It doesn't explain why a great deal of dubbed Hentai are gawd awful :oh

But the rest of the earlier comments by The Cheat does hold a bit of truth. Voice Actors aren't given the same recognition as their Japanese counterparts, and you just have to look at how much attention is given to the opening and ending themes that are usually done by well known Japanese recording stars, while the American companies that do decide to record an American version (which is thankfully decreasing) aren't given the same star power treatment and are done by anyone who happens to know how to rhyme (or rap in the case of DBGT and One Piece), but like I said those instances are decreasing as better and better dubs are being released, especially those catered to a slightly older audiences.

He didn't even listen to what i say, I said the reason is because animation in america is as taken seriously as regualr television.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 08:03 PM
It doesn't explain why a great deal of dubbed Hentai are gawd awful :oh

But the rest of the earlier comments by The Cheat does hold a bit of truth. Voice Actors aren't given the same recognition as their Japanese counterparts, and you just have to look at how much attention is given to the opening and ending themes that are usually done by well known Japanese recording stars, while the American companies that do decide to record an American version (which is thankfully decreasing) aren't given the same star power treatment and are done by anyone who happens to know how to rhyme (or rap in the case of DBGT and One Piece), but like I said those instances are decreasing as better and better dubs are being released, especially those catered to a slightly older audiences.

I would assume hentai is dubbed like that since they figure that people don't' watch it for high level dialogs and i doubt even the japanese movies have the same quality most regular anime do.

Finally more and more openings just stay in japanese (like naruto bleach and deathnote) so to me that is admitting that the original is superior and a step towards the right direction of leaving everything in japanese and using subs.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 08:12 PM
I would assume hentai is dubbed like that since they figure that people don't' watch it for high level dialogs and i doubt even the japanese movies have the same quality most regular anime do.

Finally more and more openings just stay in japanese (like naruto bleach and deathnote) so to me that is admitting that the original is superior and a step towards the right direction of leaving everything in japanese and using subs.

No, they are trying to be faithful to the original while tying to bring it to a wider audience by dubbing it in english. Anyway, most anime at aimed at teens or higher. Yo do know that are a lot uncut anime DVDs? They have been using japanese openings for years.

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 08:19 PM
No, they are trying to be faithful to the original while tying to bring it to a wider audience by dubbing it in english. Anyway, most anime at aimed at teens or higher. Yo do know that are a lot uncut anime DVDs?

Yes but the dvds are super expensive and not 1/100 of the general audience of a series will buy all of em thus they won't watch the uncut version of that anime.


And like i said they could do what the history channel did with he miyazaki movies....it has been done before showing something uncut and in Jp.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 08:29 PM
Yes but the dvds are super expensive and not 1/100 of the general audience of a series will buy all of em thus they won't watch the uncut version of that anime.


And like i said they could do what the history channel did with he miyazaki movies....it has been done before showing something uncut and in Jp.

You do know that all anime on adult swim are uncut?

Dreikoo
01-13-2008, 08:42 PM
You do know that all anime on adult swim are uncut?

Nope , i never watch dubs so i don't know much about em.

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 08:56 PM
Nope , i never watch dubs so i don't know much about em.

Yesm there have been uncut dubs on adult swim since 2000 or 2001. Alot of dubs aren't even broadcasted.

crazymtf
01-13-2008, 08:58 PM
Cause some people are stupid? I dunno.

Yu Yu Hakusho, dbz, cowboy bebop and the list goes on, are all superior to me in terms of dub vs sub. Yu Yu's dub is easily better, same with cowboy bebop. DBZ has some good voices in jap but it's better in English. I can go on but these are the main three i know are so much better in dub.

ssouske
01-13-2008, 09:08 PM
blame 4kids and all the sucky dubs that came out...

but i do agree that there are SOME dubs that are good... i haven't seen the full cowboy bebop series... but i loved the dubbed movie that HBO here in asia showed last year... i think...

and thats the major problem... there is only a HANDFUL of good dubs... most suck... thus the reputation... :oh

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 09:09 PM
blame 4kids and all the sucky dubs that came out...

but i do agree that there are SOME dubs that are good... i haven't seen the full cowboy bebop series... but i loved the dubbed movie that HBO here in asia showed last year... i think...

and thats the major problem... there is only a HANDFUL of good dubs... most suck... thus the reputation... :oh

Thats a bit of exaggeration, there has been a lot of good dubs released only on dvd.

ssouske
01-13-2008, 09:12 PM
yes there has been an influx of good dubs recently... but you know how the first impressions lasts... and because of relatively bad experiences from the past, its more like trauma for some people...

The Cheat
01-13-2008, 09:16 PM
yes there has been an influx of good dubs recently... but you know how the first impressions lasts... and because of relatively bad experiences from the past, its more like trauma for some people...

Yesm the ninties were a god-awful time for anime in amercia,and early 2000s

golthin
01-13-2008, 09:34 PM
The thing that bothers me most about the Naruto dub is that I've never seen anyone in it pronounce Kakashi correctly. They always pronounce it as "Kuh-Kah-shi" with an emphasis on the second syllable. It should be pronounced as "Kah-kah-shi".

i think most voice actors are too busy trying to make money whereever they can to worry about learning to pronounce Japanese correctly. In most cases only people as well versed as you on the right pronunciation will ever noticed it was wrong.

Nomeru
01-13-2008, 09:50 PM
Many dubs do suck, thats how it is, but more recently, dubs have gotten better.

One thing I'll say though, the dbz dub was not what I would call good in comparison to the origonal. They changed so much, and added so much haaaaaa stuff that wasnt there in the origonal (granted there was a lot in it, not as much still).

adv does a good job most of the time. The show RahXephon had a great dub, and while I havnt seen the sub yet, it doesnt mean its not good. Full Metal Panic was also well done I thought. Chris Patton, Luci Christian, Vic Mignogna, Greg Ayres, Monica Rial, and Hilary Haag are all great voice actors employed by adv. (I'd like to add that all 6 of them are going to be in tengen toppa gurren lagann aswell, which could be good.)

funimation has done some good things too in the past with FMA, blue gender, and samurai 7.

There are many dubs that are good, and worth watching. However, even the good ones tend to be beaten by the origonals, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt watch it. What I often do is watch a show with dubs (provided they're good), then watch it in subs.

cricent
01-14-2008, 12:13 AM
I thought the berserk dub was pretty good..

Girls' Generation
01-14-2008, 12:51 AM
Well, I think most of the characters in DBZ and yu gi oh are good dubbing. In yu gi oh, his main self, the dubbing is horrible.