Orochimaru vs. deidara

[Matto-sama]

orochimaru(healthy)
no edo tensei
who wins?

[mootz]

oro kills him before C4 every come into play this i am sure of

[Tori]

Orochimaru, Deidara is cool but he isn't strong enough to kill Healthy!Oro if Jiraiya and Tsunade couldn't beat arm-less Oro. (Sasuke fought hours from death Oro)

[Kira]

Oro wins. Anyway why is Oro not allowed edo tensai? If so Dei's C4 should be restricted as well.

[Vance]

Orochimaru wins this...Really badly too.

[King Scoop]

Oro wins this, while Deidara is still playing with his C1.

[Tay Zonday]

;12408250']Oro wins. Anyway why is Oro not allowed edo tensai? If so Dei's C4 should be restricted as well.

I agree man, people always make fights to see who's stronger but almost always restrict something.

Orochimaru still fucks him up with snake-rape though.

[Akatsuki Elite]

Orochimaru rapes

[rashman]

Orochimaru wins :pek

[Hentai]

Orochimaru.

More jutsus = Win

[bug_ninja]

Deidara wins.

[koigokoro]

Oro summons Manda and crushes D's tiny little birdy.

This fight would be more interesting if it was no arm's Oro vs. D or bedridden and dying Oro vs. D.

[Vagrant Tom]

You think Orochimarus snakes are fast enough and tall enough to catch Deidera on a bird? And when Deidera realises C2 doesn't work against Orochimarus regen and uses C3 or C4, what will Orochimaru do? What moves has Orochimaru shown that will be able to hit Deidera in the air. I mean Gaara had a real hard time catching Deidera, and he probably has one of the best suited set of moves to attack air based threats.

[bug_ninja]

Oro summons Manda and crushes D's tiny little birdy.

This fight would be more interesting if it was no arm's Oro vs. D or bedridden and dying Oro vs. D.

Umm fyi Manda's dead.

[koigokoro]

I'm well aware of that. This is a hypothetical battle where all of Oro's skills minus Edo Tensei are taken into consideration.

The Seneijashu Oro used against K4 slong coupled with the reach of Manda should be enough to catch D as long as Oro doesn't pull it off with sluggish speed. If that still isn't enough reach, Oro's got the Body Freeze jutsu to catch D with. It's not as if Oro has no options in which to catch D.

[Vagrant Tom]

Manda is irrelevant, as he can't hit Deidera anyway.

[narutodestructo]

Oro obviously, he would have techniques to counter c4

[koigokoro]

Fine, Body Freeze then. D falls out of the sky like a pigeon with HIV.

[Vagrant Tom]

Body freeze ain't going to work on someone who isn't afraid of you AND has an anti gejutsu eye.

Oro obviously, he would have techniques to counter c4

such as...

[narutodestructo]

he can suiton jutsus the C4 explosions wouldnt do crap then, he could also trap deidara in his alternate dimension.
Oro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Deidara

[koigokoro]

Body freeze ain't going to work on someone who isn't afraid of you AND has an anti gejutsu eye.





First of all, the jutsu's effectiveness has nothing to do with fear, and second of all, D trained his eye to fight off Sharingan genjutsu in specific. In any case, there's a 90% chance he doesn't have the chakra to Kai one of Oro's genjutsu.

...

You know what? Screw it. Oro pulls out his White Snake form and takes over D's body. Game over.

[Vagrant Tom]

Right, when has Orochimaru even shown the ability to use suitons? And why would suitons defend against the attack, especially since it is earth element and in Naruto, earth > water. And to do all the futile suiton jutsu, he needs to know what's going on in the first place. He can't see the explosives since he lacks a sharingan or way of detecting them.

To use his alternate dimention, Orochimaru needs to go white snake mode, and have the opponent paralysed. Not a wise move to go white snake and give up all your jutsu (can't make handseals in that form) against someone long range.

[Kawada]

Oro wins, seriously when he was healthy only a few nins could defeat him, deidara is not one of them.

[Vagrant Tom]

First of all, the jutsu's effectiveness has nothing to do with fear, and second of all, D trained his eye to fight off Sharingan genjutsu in specific. In any case, there's a 90% chance he doesn't have the chakra to Kai one of Oro's genjutsu.


In that case, why didn't Orochimaru do the same to Itachi. Is it because his body freeze is crap and only works against people who fear him? I seriously think it is going to be easier to dispell that weak genjutsu than a sharingan genjutsu, which we all know, is the most powerful kind.


You know what? Screw it. Oro pulls out his White Snake form and takes over D's body. Game over.

Yeah, Deidera is not going to be flying and he's going to stand still and let Orochimaru do that. Infact, Deidera is going to be completely out of character and get up close to fight Orochimaru just to allow Orochimaru the luxury of using that jutsu.

[narutodestructo]

Oro is supposedly a genius able to use all kinds of jutsus , also he can close the gap between them by using a distraction and a speedy jutsu then go all white snakey.
Oro wins, he is much more of a major character for a reason you know.

[Vagrant Tom]

Sakura is a main character too, but that doesn't mean she can fight Deidera. Orochimaru is going to need a good distraction, and the ability to fly to hit Deidera. Sasuke is also a genius and he could fly, but still had a hard time.

[koigokoro]

In that case, why didn't Orochimaru do the same to Itachi. Is it because his body freeze is crap and only works against people who fear him? I seriously think it is going to be easier to dispell that weak genjutsu than a sharingan genjutsu, which we all know, is the most powerful kind.

It's not based on fear. Itachi's hand seal speed is far superior to Oro's, and there's no indication whatsoever that Itachi is incapable of dispelling one of Oro's genjutsus. If you want an even better answer than that, PNJ beat Oro, not Itachi.

Yeah, Deidera is not going to be flying and he's going to stand still and let Orochimaru do that. Infact, Deidera is going to be completely out of character and get up close to fight Orochimaru just to allow Orochimaru the luxury of using that jutsu.

It's a genjutsu, and a very powerful one at that. D doesn't have a Sharigan that can stop the transfer like Sasuke does yah know.

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[Vagrant Tom]

Your quote doesn't show that it is a genjutsu.

And with the body freeze thing, genin Sasuke can escape from it. Because he was paralysed with fear, not because he was physically paralysed. As a result he could move his body still. Deidera doesn't have any fear at all of Orochimaru. A move that genin Sasuke can escape from, someone as good at escpaing genjutsu as Deidera certainly can escape it.

[narutodestructo]

LOL deidara sux he would easily die.

[akaasher]

Umm fyi Manda's dead.

so is orochimaru:zaru

[Mibu Clan]

Orochimaru has a big chance here... He can summon huge snakes (No not Manda) to help him with the range problem and he also has the Kusanagi extendo attack...

Besides the fact that ImO he can deffend against any C2 attack, and of course the C3 #18 with Sanjuu Rashoumon. He also has massive speed to help him...

Though I do believe that Deidara would win 6 out of 10 in all honesty...

[successortt]

well we can only assume Oro would win. I mean sasuke beat him. A healthy Oro would have no issues with any of Deidara's jutsu's outside of C4.

[Nae'blis]

Orochimaru destroys her. Deidara mistake would be not going for this strongest attack first.

[Muk]

Deidara wins this!

there is no need to argue, the only weapon in Oro's arsenal coming close to touching Deidara would be his sword, but since Deidara is airborn i doubt that his sword could even catch Dei-chan.

C1 and C2 are more than enough to shatter Oro's skin/defense if it were able to rip off Sasuke's CS2 wing.

[PisOgPapir]

^^ Her?

Seriously, Orochimaru has spent 50 years creating, and learning new jutsu. You can expect him to be able to pull of jutsu against pretty much anything.

Fact is, Healthy Orochimaru didn't go "Serious" against KN4. We're talking more than half the power of the most powerfull being in the naruverse. That's pretty damn strong. Deidara simply is not at that level.

[Tachikoma]

Oro goes kukuku all the way to the bank :LOS

[kombak]

deidera had to flee against Kakashi + naruto. Naruto was really hurting deidera.
Even though orochimaru didnt win, he was fightning KN4 naruto. Oro >> deidera

[Vagrant Tom]

^^ Her?

Seriously, Orochimaru has spent 50 years creating, and learning new jutsu. You can expect him to be able to pull of jutsu against pretty much anything.



That arguement doesn't work anymore. It's sad but Orochimaru fell for the same sharingan jutsu twice! He had a number of years to work up a counter, but he failed. In the same space of time however, Deidera did! He very successfully developed a counter and a new uber jutsu (C4). Thus Deidera proved that he is more inventive.

Orochimaru actually hasn't shown too much in the way of jutsu, he really seems to focus on Kunsangi, which sucks because we know he probably has more.

[Muk]

Also if you try and argue that Manda is safe from Deidara's bomb, self-destruction just to point out that Manda died from it.

I doubt Deidara would ever need to go as far as using self destruction on Orochimaru. His C3 will be enough to blow him up, especially since his rashou mon don't seem to be able to protect him from vertical attacks ...

since they would literaly squash himself flat like a paper, and less if he's going to try and stack three of them ontop of himself

through his regenerative jutsu he may delay the inevitable, but sooner or later Deidara is going to wear out his body. I believe he was able to maybe spit himself out 5 times before actually the body started rejecting Orochimaru, and Deidara is more than capable of causing enough damage in a short enough time that Oro will force his body to its limit. At that point it will be game over for Orochimaru.

[koigokoro]

Your quote doesn't show that it is a genjutsu.
Oro's dimension used for the Immortality Skill is either a real dimension created by Oro, thus making the skill a ninjutsu, or an illusionary dimension created by Oro, thus making the skill a genjutsu. Either way, D is going to find himself in quite the pickle.

And with the body freeze thing, genin Sasuke can escape from it. Because he was paralysed with fear, not because he was physically paralysed. As a result he could move his body still. Deidera doesn't have any fear at all of Orochimaru. A move that genin Sasuke can escape from, someone as good at escpaing genjutsu as Deidera certainly can escape it.

You're confusing the bloodlust which froze Sasuke and co. in their places with the D rank Kanashibari no Jutsu (Body Freeze Skill). The first is based on fear, the second has nothing to do with fear.

[niyesuH]

Orochimaru easy..

[durtycheese]

deidara, orochimaru could never buy a victory...

[Vagrant Tom]

Oro's dimension used for the Immortality Skill is either a real dimension created by Oro, thus making the skill a ninjutsu, or an illusionary dimension created by Oro, thus making the skill a genjutsu. Either way, D is going to find himself in quite the pickle.


Like Inos mind transfer, it is probably ninjutsu. However, we have know it is not a ranged jutsu, and Orochimaru has always paralysed his targets first. He doesn't just look at an enemy and that's it. Orochimarus body teransfer is not really an offensive jutsu. He would be highly unlikely getting Deidera in a position to use it.


You're confusing the bloodlust which froze Sasuke and co. in their places with the D rank Kanashibari no Jutsu (Body Freeze Skill). The first is based on fear, the second has nothing to do with fear.

In that case, I'm certain Deidera, who unlike Orochimaru, is capable of escaping high rank sharingan ninjutsu, will have no trouble with a D rank ninjutsu.