Orochimaru's Eye and The Third

[A Tout le Monde]

I heard this brought up in another thread and went to investigate. Someone said you could see Oro felt something when he saw Sarutobi die. Well, you judge for yourself.

This is what we're shown of Orochimaru when he survey's the Thir's dead body.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/804/oroeyehb8.png

His eye also seems to be trembling to me.

Now, I realize there might be other factors. He just lost his jutsu, the Seal's pain might be kicking in and etc.. But to me, the fact we are only shown Oro's eyes amidst dead silence is supposed to compel us to look at the eyes and what the eyes are looking at and that is all. Sure his eyes could be quivering from rage and if we saw his mouth, it could be snarling. But we can't know that. All we have is his eyes and our interpretation of the scene.

What are your thoughts?

[Hentai]

Fail.

He just got cut off his Soul-arms.
His arms hurt...he was tired...he was angry....but he didn't care about the 3rd.

[A Tout le Monde]

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

[A Tout le Monde]

For the actual scene in action, go to 4:34 here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72Ms-QEXJU

Yes it's the DUB but the part you should be watching is silent so don't bitch.

[Hentai]

Well...still hard to say...but I think it was more like..."is that old bastard finally dying?"

[Cooli]

He didnt feel nothing for the third except for angry
i mean the whole point of this fight was so he could kill him and destroy Konoha
also he just had his sole-arms cut of which sealed all of his jutsu and pretty destroyed his real arms

[Yakushi Kabuto]

I kind of thought it was something along the lines of..."aw fuck, the old bastard took my arms with him". But I suppose some other feeling could have accredited to those eyes, perhaps some confirmation to him that age really does sap a person of their powers. And beneath that still, I'm not above the idea that there was some feeling of loss involved, he did, after all, shed tears upon confronting Sarutobi from the start.

[Levithian]

I kind of thought it was something along the lines of..."aw fuck, the old bastard took my arms with him". But I suppose some other feeling could have accredited to those eyes, perhaps some confirmation to him that age really does sap a person of their powers. And beneath that still, I'm not above the idea that there was some feeling of loss involved, he did, after all, shed tears upon confronting Sarutobi from the start.

Exactly...just that.

[A Tout le Monde]

The point about him crying is a good one. He himself never said why he was doing it. The Third just theorized that he was either happy or because he felt sad about the idea of killing him. Oro's response was to draw blood but to me, that doesn't dismiss the notion that he was somewhat upset. Cutting someone a bit and killing them isn't even close to the same thing.

[Hitsugaya Messenger]

I kind of thought it was something along the lines of..."aw fuck, the old bastard took my arms with him". But I suppose some other feeling could have accredited to those eyes, perhaps some confirmation to him that age really does sap a person of their powers. And beneath that still, I'm not above the idea that there was some feeling of loss involved, he did, after all, shed tears upon confronting Sarutobi from the start.

I must really be forgetting everything, but when did Oro shed tears? He probably did it, but I forgot.

And ya, the look seemed to be something like, "The stupid old man just screwed my whole plan and took away my jutsu and I am in incredible pain right now." Most likely, he was doing it because he was tired and in incredible pain. And the fact that he just nearly died might have had something to do with it.

[Yellow]

He was in pain so his eyes were quivering.:oh

[A Tout le Monde]

Well, that's entirely possible like I said in my opening post. I just thought there might have been something there because of how the scene was made. It focused only on Oro watching Sarutobi die and then lookikng over his corpse.

[Xinjutsu]

Is it me or does the symbol on the 3rds chest look almost exactly like the seal on naruto's stomach? Or very close to it.

[Catterix]

If it was just that he was angry, or in pain, I doubt they would have directed it the way they did. Such a feeling does not require such detailed direction.

I'm now really intruiged by that scene. I think really, there was a lot going on. Perhaps, Orochimaru was not uset at "Oh, my old master's dead", but there was definitely a lot going on underneath. His plan, or at least a part of it had been accomplished; how did he feel? Was he happy, sad, berieved that he'd finally killed his old master? Did he now feel empty that such a plan he'd been scheming for so many years was over, a more complex version of; "Well, what now?"?

The old man was smiling as he died. Death is the one thing that Orochimaru was afraid of. Could it possibly be that Sandaime smiling like that showed he actually beat Orochimaru, and Oro realised that. The man was not afraid of death, he welcomed it... such an action is beyond Orochimaru's conception.

There were lots of things really. And I think it was deliberately ambiguous.

But one thing that's clear, anti-existance did not "fail" for bringing this to light, so Kyuubi no Youko can just fuck off out the window as far as I'm concerned :P

[A Tout le Monde]

Maybe I'm just grasping at scraps of things to humanize Oro but I just don't see how, in a scene ripe for interpretation, we can excuse the notion he was possibly upset at the Third dying for one reason or another.

[blaccskorpion]

he probably felt sum remorse but orochimaru was basically enraged he lost his jutsu

[maximilyan]

he's feeling the pain of his arms being stolen.

[♠Mr.Nibbles♠]

If it had anything to do with empathy towards the third I dont believe he would have killed him...

[A Tout le Monde]

You can never know how you'd feel about something until you do it.

[Rafear]

You can never know how you'd feel about something until you do it.

Indeed, however, I am quoting a Kishi interview here


SJ:Is there any good left in Orochimaru? Or is he truly evil?

Kishi: I think he's truly evil. There are hopelessly evil characters out in the world, and he's one of them.


That scene always struck me as more of "YOU F***ING B@$&*D YOU TOOK MY ARMS!" This confirms it for me.

[A Tout le Monde]

That is an enlightening interview indeed.

Thanks for posting it, even if it does kinda shoot down my initial idea. lol

[Rafear]

That is an enlightening interview indeed.

Thanks for posting it, even if it does kinda shoot down my initial idea. lol

No problem, and thank you for being one of the few reasonable people on the internet. :)

[Kaki]

He's straining from the death god and shit.