The OFFICIAL Metal Thread

[skunkworks]

I'm addicted to Finntroll.

I tried Arcturus today as well.

And what did you think?

[Lord Yu]

I liked it. I didn't have any problems with anything.

[Audrey]

I'm addicted to Finntroll.

There's nothing wrong with that, either. :laugh

[Catatonik]

Arcturus are one of my faves. The Sham Mirrors has so much showmanship.

[skunkworks]

There's nothing wrong with that, either. :laugh

I can't get enough of them. Wish they would come to Arizona. Rargh.

[Perverse]

Arcturus are cool. So are Anathema. "Pulled Under At 2000 Metres A Second" is a fucking awesome song.

[Catatonik]

Mmmm, love Anathema, A Natural Disaster was my introduction to them.

[chibi_akuma]

Anathema sure are awesome, and soothing. A Natural Disaster being my favourite from them.

[Trias]

Fintroll is amazing, Trollhammaren is just a Tenacious D level work, it's genius.

[skunkworks]

Fintroll is amazing, Trollhammaren is just a Tenacious D level work, it's genius.

The song En mäktig här is one of my favorites, it's just so damn good and has steel drums in it. :)

WTF, a carribean sound from a metal band? I fucking love Finntroll.

[Lord Yu]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/hentaihapposai/1195943219766.png

[Catatonik]

Finntroll rock.

Hard.

Loved them for many years now :del

[chibi_akuma]

Just discovered Ahab, what an awesome piece of Funeral Doom Metal, I'm in love!

[Trias]

Funeral Doom Metal? :oh

Looks like it's gonna be my favourite genre after Atmospheric Dick Metal.

[skunkworks]

Just watched the Children of Bodom Stockholm DVD, Alexi Laiho is a pretty badass guitarist.

[Trias]

Even Skills and Mastery over Instrument does note equal quality, he can go to hell for all I care. There are much better guitarists, both in mastery and in other aspects.

[Archon zekrish]

Greetings from the cold land of polar bears and blondes!

I was wondering about the old rumor about the remaining members of mayhem making neclases of thier dead Vocalist skull and gave it to really METAL people... Marduke recived one... who else got one? or is it even true?


Any theories?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/DawnOfTheBlackHearts.jpg

[destroy_musick]

as far as i know, it was very much true and many people have seen these "skull shards". I know members of Sigh have a shard, also, gonna move this to the metal thread as it's a small, little bit of a redundant question suited to convo needs :)

[Diceman]

Anathema sure are awesome, and soothing. A Natural Disaster being my favourite from them.

You should see them live.Allmost the whole place went into depression and cried when they started one last goodbye.Ahh,good times

[Vongola]

Finntroll and korpiklaani are win.

[destroy_musick]

merging with metal thread

[Zapdos]

Motley Crue is at the top of my list. Skid row, W.A.S.P. Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Nightwish, Zeppelin and I could go on and on. I also love GNR and Van Halen Ill mention them because some consider them Metal and some dont.

[Lord Yu]

Thank god X isn't still here.

[Trias]

Thank god X isn't still here.

Which X, hmm?

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Thank god X isn't still here.

But it would have been funny.

[Lord Yu]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/hentaihapposai/1195953912201.png

[Gray Wolf]

I have been listening to Circus Maximus lately pretty good band.

[Catatonik]

Well hey, I loved Megadeths last two albums, enjoyed post Power Metal Pantera, and dig a bunch of Nightwish songs.

That said, on an unrelated note, I need to get my hands on Soilworks most recent piece. I hear good things about it.

[Trias]

lol @ prog whore pic

Soilwork's last piece is as good as In Flames gets.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Yu, how do you know what I look like?

*sigged*

[Audrey]

If that's Boskov, he's pretty hot. :love

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

See?

My looks are as endearing as my personality. :zaru

[Kaki]

CRANK IT UP! It's Metal Monday!

[TWF]

Clone Circle.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Subterranean Masquerade?

[Lamb]

I just got Peccatum's Lost in Reverie, and I must say, it excedes my expectations, I've never been a huge fan of Emperor, but Peccatum is good shit.

[Catatonik]

lol @ prog whore pic

Soilwork's last piece is as good as In Flames gets.

An interesting way of putting it.

That a thumbs up, or a sarcastic wavering of the thumb?

I mean, I am going to grab it regardless, but I would not mind some thoughts on the album.

[Audrey]

My friends who like Soilwork said it was an improvement over the last one, but not as good as their older albums.

[Catatonik]

Fair enough.

Not the first time I have heard that opinion dropped.

Well, I should get around to grabbing it soon...

[Trias]

An interesting way of putting it.

That a thumbs up, or a sarcastic wavering of the thumb?

I mean, I am going to grab it regardless, but I would not mind some thoughts on the album.

Well, Soilwork's "Sworn to a Great Divide" has definitely let me down, and they're pretty much following the steps of In Flames, not talking here about the musical similarity, but also the progress of the group itself. After the departure of their guitarist, Peter Witchers, the whole thing went down, if you ask me. Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree has contributed to the production of the album as well, and I can't help but wonder if he has a bit responsible for that, as well. As much as I like him and his works, many progressive artists tend to influence their groups or other groups in changing their style into something worse -in my book, progressive is a chance when it gets better, not worse.

Diablo's Mimic 47 was released around (kinda) same time with it, and I thought it was much better than StaGD, and Diablo could ruin Soilwork's ride to fame, unless Soilwork returns back to its old line, or progress beyond it.

[destroy_musick]

it's been another Acid Bath day :3 who likes Acid Bath? I do, i fucking love Acid Bath...

mmm, Acid Bath, who wants a pimp of their lovely sludgey/grindy/death metally/southern blues sludgey ways?

[destroy_musick]

DP BUT WHO CARES!

I JUST GOT MY TICKETS FOR!!!!

http://www.sunnborisaltar.com/index2.php

YES! YES! OPH FUCKING EYS!

BORIS!!!!!!!
SUNN 0)))!!!!!!

ARGH!

[Cell]

Fucking awesome set, DM. Crass, man. :thumbs

Also, Sun O))) and Boris? Shit, man, you're all set.

[destroy_musick]

i can fucking die right now X, i really could.

I saw pseudo-Crass last week (Steve Ignorant and Eve Libertine) and now Sunn 0)))/Boris as Altar

i want to cry

[Cell]

I've really not been going to many shows, lately. :oh

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I might not be able to see BtBaM + Behold... The Arctopus this month. :(

But I am so going to see Unexpect.

[destroy_musick]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=290353&page=2

for all you sludge/folk/death/grind mix fans... or fans of the experimental and underground, either way

[ssj2yugi]

Here's the new Soilwork album, Sworn To A Great Divide

http://www.sendspace.com/file/005ygl

[skunkworks]

Mmm, Opeth...

EpEw-UfLlkg

[Voynich]

DP BUT WHO CARES!

I JUST GOT MY TICKETS FOR!!!!

http://www.sunnborisaltar.com/index2.php

YES! YES! OPH FUCKING EYS!

BORIS!!!!!!!
SUNN 0)))!!!!!!

ARGH!

I hate you. And they be playing where und when?

[Audrey]

I'm listening to Colors by Between the Buried and Me. This may come as a distinct surprise to some people, but I absolutely hate the metalcore and other heavy and brutal elements on this album. The only part of it I'm enjoying is the clean vocal parts.

[Catatonik]

Puscifer

Sure, it is not technically metal, but damn it is sweet.

[Stumpy]

Genghis Fucking Tron returns 2/19/08 (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=3787017&blogID=326017585)

New album dubbed "Board Up the House" available for pre-order now (http://shop.relapse.com/store/product.aspx?ProductID=27171). Title song is up for streaming on their MySpace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=3787017), but I refuse to spoil it.

It's not terribly new, but it's rather obscure so it may have gone under the Naruto Forums radar. Pre-ordering mine with the shirt for $22. It's the only band I will buy merchandise for. They are just that good.

[DragonSlayer]

Puscifer

Sure, it is not technically metal, but damn it is sweet.
Actually, I was really disappointed by Puscifer album. I was really looking forward to it but even after hearing it a few times, it feels really average to me. I haven't given up hope on it but still. :(

Mmh, not really a metal band but seeing Porcupine Tree in 6 days.

[Trias]

Damn, and they still haven't come here even once? I hate you Scandinavia and West/Central Europe.

[Catatonik]

Actually, I was really disappointed by Puscifer album. I was really looking forward to it but even after hearing it a few times, it feels really average to me. I haven't given up hope on it but still. :(

Mmh, not really a metal band but seeing Porcupine Tree in 6 days.

Really? I found it full of bizarre moments, a neo-industrial sound, unique from Tool and APC and very....Exorcizing of Sexual Demons...also, the track Drunk With Power is fuggin trippy.

[destroy_musick]

<3 Sunn 0))) and Boris tomorrow <3

[DragonSlayer]

Damn, and they still haven't come here even once? I hate you Scandinavia and West/Central Europe.
Actually, this is their first real gig in Finland. They played in a festival here this summer but I couldn't make it because of army.

[destroy_musick]

i got myself a Boris shirt :3

and a 500 print picture disc LP of Altar :3

oh, and the music was awesome XD the Boris set was fucking lush

[Gray Wolf]

Did anyone else hear? Matt Barlow has rejoined Iced Earth.

[Trias]

Couldn't care less, I bet it won't even take a single year for him to re-quit it, thanks to that retard Jon Schaffer. Never had liked Iced Earth much anyways.

[Tyrael]

I'm listening to Colors by Between the Buried and Me. This may come as a distinct surprise to some people, but I absolutely hate the metalcore and other heavy and brutal elements on this album. The only part of it I'm enjoying is the clean vocal parts.

I agree that when BTBAM do it mellow they are amazing, I too am not a big fan of screaming and hitting stuff, although occasionally that stuf can be fun. Hell, thts kinda odd considering I went to Wacken 07 but what the hell, got any blood stain child fans hanging about?

[Lord Yu]

I like to hear screaming when I'm angry.

[Audrey]

I listen to really loud and aggressive music, but I don't like Between the Buried and Me's more metalcore side, I guess.

[Pig Benis]

I dislike every genre ending with core. :(
I prefer the old traditional stuff (Maiden, Priest, etc)

Any Maiden fans here?

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Did anyone else hear? Matt Barlow has rejoined Iced Earth.That's news to me.

[Catatonik]

Yeah, I heard about that. Think it was in a BW&BK mag.

I liked his vocals, but Iced Earth has not really done anything with their sound since The Dark Saga...

Still own a few albums though.

[Lord Yu]

I just realized Joe Gear's Location says "Living life in the Fat lane" :lmao

[Audrey]

I'm gonna pimp an album consisting entirely of power metal covers of popular songs.

[Lord Yu]

Power metal:D:

[Voynich]

Cheese Power metal:D: :D: :D:

Fix'd


:laugh

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Yeah, I heard about that. Think it was in a BW&BK mag.

I liked his vocals, but Iced Earth has not really done anything with their sound since The Dark Saga...

Still own a few albums though.I honestly prefer Ripper.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Power Metal has it's good stuff, but it's covered up by bands that aren't all that snazzy.

I love Kamelot, and they're largely power metal.

[Trias]

Aww man, Power Metal bashing retardness again? This is a serious flamebait, fucking cease this shit at once and get a proper taste in music instead of bashing every damn thing you find too gay for your majesty heterosexuality.

Bah... seriously...

[destroy_musick]

i love the argument that power metal is cheesy

seriously, guys, take a step back for a moment and realise that all forms of metal are almost all seriously cheesy in one way or another

In other, yet related news:

http://www.neuroticdeathfest.com/index.php?page=bands

check out that stoked line-up :D

[Voynich]

*grins* I know. It's just that power metal in particular gives me the giggles.


And stop bragging Dave. I already had one to endure "omg neurotic line up*orgasm*" on LJ. :P

[DragonSlayer]

So humm, here's a journal I wrote about the PT gig.

http://www.last.fm/user/DSlayer/journal/2007/12/15/599231/

It was so awesome, words really can do them no justice. It was seriously unreal.

[Lord Yu]

I didn't say anything this time. I wholeheartedly invite someone to prove my opinion wrong.

Doc has failed with Kamelot. Who can succeed now?

[Audrey]

You have 12 Kamelot plays on Last.fm, which is more power metal than I have on my charts. There might even be some other band there that I didn't see. You fail harder, since Northern Kings is a joke band that plays cover songs, and they're all that I even have on mine. :laugh

[Lord Yu]

I am very patient so I sampled alot of Kamelot's discography before I said fuck it.

[Catatonik]

I own two Rhapsody, two Blind Guardian, three and a half Iced Earth, and two Rage albums in my collection. I do not spin them a lot but I do enjoy most of them...the Rhapsody very, very rarely.

One spin every six months is usually all I need.

Turilli makes me laugh.

I like some power Metal. As pointed out, metal as a genre is mostly cheese, especially lyrically. There are numbers of exceptions, but metal is over the top and power metal merely lets its inner D&D geek out.

It has some winners and a whole bunch of losers.

Very similiar to black metal in that way.

[Audrey]

I am very patient so I sampled alot of Kamelot's discography before I said fuck it.

I, on the other hand, never did listen to them. So for fail harder than me according to your own rules. :laugh

It has some winners and a whole bunch of losers.

Very similiar to black metal in that way.

There's so many generic black metal bands. I only listen to the good ones.

[Trias]

I didn't say anything this time. I wholeheartedly invite someone to prove my opinion wrong.

Doc has failed with Kamelot. Who can succeed now?

Try Avantasia, Demons & Wizards, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian, Galneryus, Falconer, Lost Horizon, Angra, Edguy, Dreamtone... mmm.

Avantasia is going to show up at WOA 08, holy shit, I curse every year for I can't go to WOA, but 08 will be the one I damn it most.

I'm sure you can find nearly all of their discographias on net, maybe except for Galneryus, I actually am thinking of pimping Galneryus when I start pimping some music sometime soon.

[destroy_musick]

http://sharebee.com/48567758

been trying out a new drum machine :3

[Gray Wolf]

Power Metal has it's good stuff, but it's covered up by bands that aren't all that snazzy.

I love Kamelot, and they're largely power metal.

Well power metal is closer to original metal then the other metal genres are.

[Audrey]

That's for sure, especially since black metal is largely about separatism from other genres of metal and rock music.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Well power metal is closer to original metal then the other metal genres are.

But that really means nothing to me, as I'm more a fan of the experimental side of Metal anyways. Still, like all metal, it certainly has it's greats and it's failures, and like all music, the former is heavily outweighed by the latter.

[uncle jafuncle]

I've got a question for all you metalheads that has been bothering me for some time. What is progressive about Progressive Metal artists? They all pretty much use poly-rhythms, use keyboards, create concept albums that continue a long running theme, have operatic or classically trained vocalists and have many songs written in movements.

I'm not criticizing as Prog Metal as some of my favorite bands/musicians, I just want to know what you guys think warrants the label "progressive" when nothing is really changing. The only way in which I really see Prog metal progressing anything is metal's credibility/image in the eyes of music critics.

[Catatonik]

I've got a question for all you metalheads that has been bothering me for some time. What is progressive about Progressive Metal artists? They all pretty much use poly-rhythms, use keyboards, create concept albums that continue a long running theme, have operatic or classically trained vocalists and have many songs written in movements.

I'm not criticizing as Prog Metal as some of my favorite bands/musicians, I just want to know what you guys think warrants the label "progressive" when nothing is really changing. The only way in which I really see Prog metal progressing anything is metal's credibility/image in the eyes of music critics.

I see Prog and Progressive differently. Prog is Kings X, Dream Theatre, etc...

Progressive is Sigh, Devin Townsend, Estradasphere, I Monster...bands or artists that push tehe edges of the art.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I've got a question for all you metalheads that has been bothering me for some time. What is progressive about Progressive Metal artists? They all pretty much use poly-rhythms, use keyboards, create concept albums that continue a long running theme, have operatic or classically trained vocalists and have many songs written in movements.

I'm not criticizing as Prog Metal as some of my favorite bands/musicians, I just want to know what you guys think warrants the label "progressive" when nothing is really changing. The only way in which I really see Prog metal progressing anything is metal's credibility/image in the eyes of music critics.

*cracks knuckles*

The "Progressive" monicker is just that, a Monicker. Bands like Dream Theater, Symphony X and the like were once progressive, but now are stagnant.

(Or, if you want to be REALLY technical, considering this is where the name comes from, it's any sort of metal that is influenced by Progressive Rock of the seventies, pure and simple. So, technically, bands like Dream Theater and Symphony X are Progressive Metal, without actually changing anything.)

However, there are bands that are both Progressive, and still fit within the confines of the Progressive Metal label (Yes, I know it makes no sense) Pain of Salvation is a great example, it certainly is metal, yet it has some unique ideas being thrown around in the music, and the actual song structures themselves are unique in their genre.

There is also a lot of experimental or avantgarde metal that fits in there as well: Subterranean Masquerade, Indukti, *shels, the Pax Cecilia, Arcturus, Behold... The Arctopus, Kayo Dot, Unexpect, Opeth, etc.

You just have to look bast the Dream Theater clones to find bands like Psychotic Waltz, Deadsoul Tribe, Green Carnation, Pain of Salvation, and others that are actually progressing, instead of stagnating.

[Trias]

I'm interested in hearing how Power Metal is outweighted in sucker bands, compared to other genres.

And, hmm, a very interesting thing, you have to constantly change your music in order to be labelled progressive? This so-called "progressive" label really bothers me now. I see no difference between Dream Theater or Pain of Salvation, both intruduced new structures to the metal genre, and then went on and changed their sound. We all know how Scarsick sounded like, and we all know how Dream Theaters sound has been changing over the last albums, maybe save for the last one. Pain of Salvation has been getting more and more rapping verses, while Dream Theaters sound has been getting closer to Alternative Rock, especially that of Muse's. Both of the change, or, so-called "progression" bothers me while I enjoy it, so I can't and don't say anything about it being good or bad, but I don't see how Dream Theater, judged by your points, is any different than Pain of Salvation. If Dream Theater has changed nothing, and there is no difference between the first album and Octavarium, (or Systematic Chaos) then I don't know what the word "change" means, or something's terribly wrong out there.

By the way, I can't think of Opeth as either Avantgarde or Experimental... :oh

Anyways, nowadays, Progressive is labelled at everything, but the thing is, for me, "Progressive" label does not mean being progressive, but trying to be "progressive" meaning they're progressing. If there's a difference between first and last albums, or predecessor and successor albums, or even songs in the same album, then they can be called progressive, but still, until they reach a trademark sound of their own, creating a unique sound, I don't think they reallyu could be called "Progressive". They could be, but just as a label. Not a description.

After listening to a massive bunch of Prog Metal groups, listen to Symbyosis, and you'll see what I mean. A really progressive band, for me, is the band that's no different from the fresh air after you've been stuck in a closed hall for half a day.

That's damn straight progressive for me; it has probably completed its evolution, progression, if it's reached that point, but nothing holds them back from evolving and progressing further anyways.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Opeth got stuck in the wrong section. :awesome

Well, certainly bands like DT did pioneer a lot of things in their day, and certainly are changing today, what I'm talking about, and probably what the poster was referring to is the myriad of SfaM DT ripoffs, who make metal with keyboards that is really fast and really complex, with incoherent lyrics.

I still like Dream Theater, but I like PoS more for personal taste reasons.

And again, this is my opinion, of course, but to me, progression at least means trying something new, as opposed to just chaning it to something that has already been done. I really liked Systematic Chaos and Octavarium, but I really dont' like SfaM. becaise the latter is just too over the top for me, while SC and Octavarium added new things into their repetoire.

Progressive means different things to different people. It can mean metal with keyboards and time signature changes to some, or music that changes and evolves. Or both. Whichever is fine, but it's best to define what you mean before you start explaining, which is exactly what I failed to do.

[Trias]

I see. That's why debating is for anyways, so it's okay.

Btw, just after teh opeth talkin and your sig and avy... I'm re-creating my music archieve on my computer (that I recently formatted) from the cds/dvds I have, and I've just come to remember I've no Opeth dvds or cds, do you have a working link for Opeth discographia? Something was lacking in my life lately and I just noticed what one of them was. It's really been some time since I listened to songs like Black Rose Immortal, Closure, Harvest, that is.

[usernames are troublesome]

I'll have to add my two cents on metal here. I seen somebody recommend Falconer in a previous post. Good recommendation! Here's my recommendations for several genres.

Black Metal: Melechesh, Profundi, Naglfar, Dreamscapes of the Perverse, Sigh(a lot more experiemental) and Dragonlord.

Death Metal (Melodic included): Amon Amarth, Insomnium, Gory Blister, Behemoth, Vader, Odious Mortem, Augury, Council of the Fallen, Azure Emote, Arsis, Esqarial (their first two album), Raintime, Mercenary, Disillusion (anything before Gloria) and early Die Apokalyptischen Reiter.

Power Metal/Progressive/Thrash/Heavy: Anubis Gate, Twelfth Gate, Nevermore, Biomechanical, Ayreon, Beyond Twilight, Outworld, Cage, Circus Maximus, Communic, Beyond Fear, Crimson Glory, Queensryche, Darkane, Dragonland, Kiuas, Carnivora, Persuader, Lost Horizon, Manticora, Orphaned Land, Wintersun (Black/Power), Pagan's Mind, Primal Fear, Redemption, Ride The Sky, Scariot, Scholomance and Anthropia.

Doom/Doom-Death/Sludge/Post-metal: Terhen, Callisto, Isis, Cathedral, Candlemass, Novembers Doom, Rosetta, Rapture, Swallow The Sun and The Ocean.

[Cell]

I don't listen to metal very often, these days. The only metal bands I listen to these days are:

Dream Theater
Death (Prog-era)
Exhorder
Slayer (Reign in Blood-era)

and some other stuff. I'm more into progressive electronics/jazz/rock currently.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I see. That's why debating is for anyways, so it's okay.

Btw, just after teh opeth talkin and your sig and avy... I'm re-creating my music archieve on my computer (that I recently formatted) from the cds/dvds I have, and I've just come to remember I've no Opeth dvds or cds, do you have a working link for Opeth discographia? Something was lacking in my life lately and I just noticed what one of them was. It's really been some time since I listened to songs like Black Rose Immortal, Closure, Harvest, that is.

Did you know that Still Life is incredibly hard to come by? I've found every other CD at stores, but never Still Life, it's amazing. I've only seen it once, but failed to buy it, which I regret a lot. I have Blackwater Park, Damnation, Deliverance and Ghost Reveries on CD.

I can upload you some, if you'd like, but it may take some time.

[Audrey]

Opeth discographia?

Ghost Reveries: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VC3EY3KQ

Damnation: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=33SCEXZG

Deliverance: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZEJ3UKB3

Blackwater Park: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3ULFX3BH

Still Life: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8QRTS4NR

My Arms, Your Hearse: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DZINA0KR

Morningrise: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RR87U2WO

Orchid: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=82C1K61F

The Roundhouse Tapes (Live): http://www.sendspace.com/file/xnshm5

Am I cool yet? :laugh

[Lord Yu]

I like how the link still works with the X3 smiley.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I lol'd.

Then I downloaded Morningrise

[Audrey]

I like how the link still works with the X3 smiley.

Yeah, I was worried about that so I tested it and it worked. :laugh

[usernames are troublesome]

I love metal. :)

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

As do I.

I'm really loving Peccantum and Arcturus, some of my new aquisitions. <3

[usernames are troublesome]

I wasn't too fond of Arcturus. Don't know why.. just something about them. Listen to Scholomance or Sigh. And since you're an Opeth fan, listen to In Vain. They're pretty good.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I'm still getting into Sigh, all I have is Imaginary Sonicscapes.

I'm just an Experimental/Avant Metal head, that's why. Subterranean Masquerade = Godwin.

[usernames are troublesome]

Yes! Subterranean Masquerade owns. Sigh's new album is good. Hail Horror Hail is another good one from them. Scholomance are probably like Sigh on LSD. Hard to get into, but if you can it's one hell of a metal experience.

[Lord Yu]

I have the Sigh discography. My favorite song is The Zombie Terror.

[usernames are troublesome]

My favorite Sigh song is Divine Graveyard. Great album that's off, too.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I need more Sigh.

Hint, hint. :pek

I sure hope SubMasq comes out with a new album soon.

[usernames are troublesome]

I can hook you up with their new album. Their other stuff is on CD. You have AIM or Soulseek?

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Not on this computer.

Thanks, though, I'll just request 'em later.

[usernames are troublesome]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3L43R0EU - Hail Horror Hail

All I could find. Good album.

[uncle jafuncle]

Well, certainly bands like DT did pioneer a lot of things in their day, and certainly are changing today, what I'm talking about, and probably what the poster was referring to is the myriad of SfaM DT ripoffs, who make metal with keyboards that is really fast and really complex, with incoherent lyrics.

...

Progressive means different things to different people. It can mean metal with keyboards and time signature changes to some, or music that changes and evolves. Or both. Whichever is fine, but it's best to define what you mean before you start explaining, which is exactly what I failed to do.

Yes, that was essentially what I was talking about. I just found it ironic that a sub-genre of bands that mostly sound similar to one another would be called "Progressive."

To me, it should deal more with musical evolution, but I was wondering what others thought about it.

[usernames are troublesome]

To me, I think a true "Progressive" band is a band that is willing to try new things, but knows what works for them. A great example of this, although not metal, is Dredg. They have always had a similar sound, but they tried new things and experimented to perfect what they had.

[Trias]

Did you know that Still Life is incredibly hard to come by? I've found every other CD at stores, but never Still Life, it's amazing. I've only seen it once, but failed to buy it, which I regret a lot. I have Blackwater Park, Damnation, Deliverance and Ghost Reveries on CD.

I can upload you some, if you'd like, but it may take some time.

Why don't you just order it online? Saves me a lot of effort when I'm about to buy a cd. You know, it's hard to find some metal albums in Turkey anyways. (Of course, bands like Opeth, Anathema, etc are exception to this rule since they come to Turkey, like, 5456546 times a year, more mainstream metal bands are exceptions too) Store-owner had not even heard of Galneryus, and showed me some Guns 'n Roses albums, thinking that I had said it. I was just confused about seeing a Galneryus album with Slash, Axl and Dizzy, then got the whole thing.

I love intranat. <3

It seems like Audrie has saved you the effort of uploading them, heh. X3

Ghost Reveries: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VC3EY3KQ

Damnation: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=33SCEXZG

Deliverance: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZEJ3UKB3

Blackwater Park: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3ULFX3BH

Still Life: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8QRTS4NR

My Arms, Your Hearse: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DZINA0KR

Morningrise: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RR87U2WO

Orchid: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=82C1K61F

The Roundhouse Tapes (Live): http://www.sendspace.com/file/xnshm5

Am I cool yet? :laugh

Cool? Is that even a word, I'm feeling like a fucking iceberg! X3 Cool Audrey is cool, Longcat is long.

(Speaking of which, I've just measured the length of my cat and it's long. I think I'm gonna make a sig out o' it, about time.)

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Yes, that was essentially what I was talking about. I just found it ironic that a sub-genre of bands that mostly sound similar to one another would be called "Progressive."

To me, it should deal more with musical evolution, but I was wondering what others thought about it.

You have to keep in mind, with Progressive anything, that it's a rather diluted and vague genre. It means several different things, in reality, making it hard to pin down anything as "Progressive"

Why don't you just order it online? Saves me a lot of effort when I'm about to buy a cd. You know, it's hard to find some metal albums in Turkey anyways. (Of course, bands like Opeth, Anathema, etc are exception to this rule since they come to Turkey, like, 5456546 times a year, more mainstream metal bands are exceptions too) Store-owner had not even heard of Galneryus, and showed me some Guns 'n Roses albums, thinking that I had said it. I was just confused about seeing a Galneryus album with Slash, Axl and Dizzy, then got the whole thing.

I love intranat. <3


But I've found ALL the other's, though. Even Orchid, in abundant suply. I miss my FYE Superstore. I've been to a more amazing music store, ever. I bought SubMasq, Indukti, Winds and a few other bands I've yet to see anywhere. I also saw bands like Anathema, Oceansize, Porcupine Tree (I know, wow) The Tangent, The Flower Kings, Slint, Death to name a few. In a chained superstore.

Shitdamn.

[Trias]

Goddammit, economic power really makes some difference. I can, buy like, one original album per month. At most. And the most funny thing is that, lots of awesome bands think that they don't have much of a fandom in Turkey, actually, they do, but we just can't afford to buy original albums of the bands and artists we like, thus creating very low statistics.

Even though I dislike Manowar, I can't deny their popularity (neither do I intend to) and one of their album had sold only 6 copies when they had came to Turkey few years ago.

Statistics are hilarious.

But still, I can't afford to buy many original albums, and I can't find the ones I want to, so all I can say is that internet is love.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I've almost entirely given up on finding 90 percent of what I listen to in stores, now. It's rediculous trying to find anything by my favorite artists, save Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, Isis and a few others.

It's just hard being so damn indie. :LOS

[Audrey]

My bands are harder to find than yours. :(

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Maybe on the internets. :LOS

I'm trying to get a hold of a Peter Hammill solo album. Thing is, only 150 copies were ever made, and it has no name, and no information.

[ssj2yugi]

So yeah... Anyone know of some new, good metal? I've been spinning the same cds for a while now and would like to change it up some.

offtopic: I know a lot of Dredg fans post in this thread, and I already put out these Dredg requests in the Music Request Thread, but never got a response. Do any of you have any of the following?:
Dredg - Conscious (EP)
Dredg - Orph (EP)
Dredg - An Elephant In Halong Bay (song)

[Lord_Amesius]

Well it's not really that new, but....

Six Feet Under- Commandment

[skunkworks]

Been spinning...

Melechesh
XIV Dark Centuries
Eluveitie
Keldian
Insomnium
Amon Amarth
Lamb of God

[Cabbage Cabrera]

^ Haven't heard of most of those bands but i'm definitely digging Amon Amarth and Lamb of God.

[Cheesy Bacon]

Eh, I've just been listening to Black Metal and some Sunn 0))), Type O Negative, and Death.

[Gray Wolf]

Here is Dave Mustaine kicking butt on Rock Jeopardy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnEeltcdnns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gE4SIk6Bdc&feature=related

[Trias]

Dave Mustaine doesn't need butts to kick butts, butts get kicked automatically when they're used in the same sentence with his name.

[skunkworks]

Witchery, thrashy death metal, and their album cover is rad.

http://www.metalunderground.com/images/covers/Witchery_-_Dont_Fear_The_Reaper_cover.jpg

[Cell]

Symbolic is the best death album ever. Ever.

[Stumpy]

I feel deprived of fresh metal =\ I haven't had new music since Demonoid went down.

[Audrey]

Get Soulseek and learn how to Google for metal uploads. I've never used torrent sites or OiNK.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I use NF. :LOS

I should probably learn elsewise, too. :(

[Cell]

Godflesh is <3.

[Kuran]

metal isn't my genre :amuse

[DragonSlayer]

Thank you for the contribution.

[Cell]

metal isn't my genre :amuse

Then how about not coming into a thread called the OFFICIAL METAL THREAD, hm?

:facepalm

[usernames are troublesome]

http://metal-ist-the-law.blogspot.com/
http://metaldlz.blogspot.com/#
http://jasonsfreemusic.blogspot.com/
http://billiamsmusicblog.blogspot.com/
http://metalholicer.blogspot.com/

The metal blogs I use to find new metal. Happy hunting.

[Cell]

Everyone here needs to listen to Brujeria, specially if you like good death metal.

[Trias]

Symbolic is the best death album ever. Ever.

:facepalm Then we would need to invent a term better than "the best" for Human.

metal isn't my genre :amuse

:facepalm I need a better smiley to express how I feel, facepalm is not enough for amount of this much fail.

Everyone here needs to listen to Brujeria, specially if you like good death metal.

Communist-Satanic Metal, breakfast of champions :zaru

[Audrey]

I don't care for most death metal bands. Godflesh is great.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Thank you for the contribution.

ROFLS

Anyways, got an interesting band for you metal fans.

If you like Jazz, and Metal, Check out Heavy Metal Jazz Concepts, if you can manage to find a CD or download. The name leaves little the imagination, but it's good stuff.

[skunkworks]

The Sham Mirrors is pretty badass. Arcturus is fucking crazy.

[DragonSlayer]

ROFLS

Anyways, got an interesting band for you metal fans.

If you like Jazz, and Metal, Check out Heavy Metal Jazz Concepts, if you can manage to find a CD or download. The name leaves little the imagination, but it's good stuff.
Maybe you could share? That sounds highly interesting. :D

[skunkworks]

I'm craving thrashy death metal. I heard some Witchery, and I really liked it.

Any recommendations?

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Maybe you could share? That sounds highly interesting. :D

I wish I could, but alas, it's incredibly hard to find.

I just went onto iTunes and bought an album, because I looked for quite some time. Maybe you and your resources would turn up better results, but I am unable to find a download link. :(

[Cell]

Got some very unique and/or cool bands for you guys to check out:

Nailbomb (Industrial Thrash Metal side project of Sepultura vocalist)
Brujeria (Mexican Grind/Death side project of Fear Factory guys)
Godflesh (Droney industrial metal)
Jesu (Dreamy doom metal, members of Napalm Death in it)

[Trias]

Doc @ what kind of a band name is that :arg I'll probably get questions "hey, is that a book name?" or stuff. :ı I'll look for it.

Doc the 2nd @ Actually, Jesu had been pimped in the md sometime ago (although I lost Elevium when I formatted my comp) and it'd have been good if it was pimped again.

[Cell]

LOL, I did the Jesu megapimp. xD

[Trias]

Well, shit memory is shit. :facepalm

Link me. :oh

Now. :oh

<3 I hope the links r still workin

[Cell]

Dun have it. :amuse

[Trias]

You had done a megapimp but you don't have it? How'z that possible. :arg

[Cell]

My hard drive died and I'm on a new one. I'm waiting till after the holidays to get the data extracted from the dead HD.

[Trias]

Oh, I see thar.

[Audrey]

Jesu's pretty awesome. I'd say the Silver EP is my favorite.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/opeth/355444-interview-mr.html

Interview with Mikael Akerfeldt about the band, and their new release, scheduled for 2008.

I'm not sure what to think about the news, I'm really excited mainly because it's an Opeth release, but another part of me is not really looking forward to a reversion to Opeth's Orchid days, which is what I'm reading in this. I was much more fond of Opeth's more organic sounding styles, Still Life, Blackwater Park and Ghost reveries, instead of more traditional Black/Doom/Death styles. Ghost Reveries, for me, was phenomenol, and probably my Favorite Opeth release, which showed them evolved a great deal.

Again, it's just my opinion, and nothing is set yet, but still, it leaves me wondering.

[Catatonik]

I can handle a return to darkness. I like the comment about the crooner though, so am trying to grab the Scott Walker album he mentioned.

[Audrey]

I like the sound of that. It doesn't sound like a return to the sound of that album, just maybe the mood.

[DragonSlayer]

I dunno, I don't think it sounds like they are going to return to their Orchid days. I remember reading about the album before in another article (this was months ago) and it really made the new album to seem Opeth's most diverse album yet. And I'm sure the organic feeling will be there, it's just going to be even more complex and heavy than Ghost Reveries was. The only thing I'm worried about is Opeth's clean vocals. I very much prefer Åkerfeldt's clean vocals to the growling, even though he's great at it too. I just think his clean vocals are something extraordinary, and I'd hate if the new album lacks in that department. But that's just my prejudice, I'll try to stay as open-minded about the new album as I can. I don't mind Opeth's new members, if Opeth say they are good enough for them, I'm sure that's the case.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

They do have a keyboardist now, and with the addition of two new members, things are sure to change. I don't mind dark moods, just regression. However, I am excited to see what exactly complex is going to entail.

[Post Mortem]

Whats the deal with the SIRIUS METAL channel? All they play is freaking screaming crap! What happened to traditional Metal like JUDAS PRIEST, Iron Maiden, and Metallica???

[Kokain]

It's still there..Try looking.

[Trias]

Well, unless Opeth goes back to Morningrise days, I don't think I'll feel a really big enthusiasm about their next records.

But I should say I've just thought about moving to the States after hearing about Progressive Nations stuff. Dream Theater, Opeth, 3, BTBaM, in a single fucking event. Geez, how come you damn americans and europeans get all the shit? ... :/

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Well, unless Opeth goes back to Morningrise days, I don't think I'll feel a really big enthusiasm about their next records.

But I should say I've just thought about moving to the States after hearing about Progressive Nations stuff. Dream Theater, Opeth, 3, BTBaM, in a single fucking event. Geez, how come you damn americans and europeans get all the shit? ... :/

I already heard about that, I'm so stoked. Seriously, if at all possible, I'm going without question. And those are just the main acts, I'm sure there are tons of awesome bands sidelining, and new bands getting promotion.

Good stuff.

[Trias]

Yeah, they had talked a lot about "promoting underground bands that deserver to get mainstream's attention" and stuff. Too bad that I can't go due to 152 different reasons. Goddammit, I hate that.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Lol, I don't even know which state it's in. :LOS

But if it's within reasonable distance, I'm going.

[Trias]

Goddammit, if you're only bound by distance, don't be a lazy-ass and go see it.:arg

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

That really depends on where it is, I mean if it's in like Georgia, I can't do that, regardless of my wants. :(

[mystictrunks]

Saw BTBAM a few weeks ago, concert was dope.

Someone recommend me some bands. I need to start building up my metal collection again.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Mindflow - Any album.

Dream Theater - Noodling + {Pain of Salvation + Originality} = Mindflow

[Audrey]

Saw BTBAM a few weeks ago, concert was dope.

Someone recommend me some bands. I need to start building up my metal collection again.

Sigh
Lunar Aurora
Deathspell Omega
Ulver
Arcturus
Strapping Young Lad
Wyrd
Mirrorthrone
Wolves in the Throne Room
Opeth
The Ruins of Beverast
Agalloch
Peste Noire
Empyrium
Darkspace
Alcest
Negură Bunget
Shining
Blut aus Nord
Drudkh
Elysian Blaze

[Trias]

Huh, what, Audrey, are you going to pimp some Empyrium? Wha-at, especially Weiland? Omfg you're so cool again X3

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

For those of you who got here late for the sermon I am giving
I'm an artists and I shouldn't have to work for a living!

[Trias]

^ I demand a translation in English for that.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Sir Millard Mulch is one of my Idols now.

English Translation: I'm gay lol

[Trias]

Drunk posting is made of love and win :LOS

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Artists don't deserve to be alive!
So crank this rockin' tune up when you drive!
It's a beautiful day, God Bless the RIAA!
To Hell creativity, music is a goddam felony!

[Trias]

I sense much MTV in you.

[Audrey]

Huh, what, Audrey, are you going to pimp some Empyrium? Wha-at, especially Weiland? Omfg you're so cool again X3

I'll pimp all of their albums if it will make me cool! Weiland is forever and supremely their greatest of works, though. X3

Oh, and I hope I get more download links with X3 in them. :laugh

[Trias]

Yes! X3

I've lost all their albums when I formatted my PC. Borknagar and Empyrium's progression into acoustic stuff is just interesting, I may bother you in the future for Borknagar as well. Weiland is slighly better than Origin, imho, Borknagar's progression is much more Opeth-esque, so I prefer Empyrium's.

Links with X3 are love, but links with :wtf would be much better. It'd be kinda hard, though. At least I think so. :oh

[Audrey]

You've got me there, because I don't really listen to Borknagar. :(

ETA for all 4 Empyrium albums is 45 minutes. :laugh

[Trias]

^ Never listend or didn't like? Considering your vast knowledge of the genre, I take the latter option?

[mystictrunks]

Is anyoen every going to up a Millard Mulch album or am I going to have to *ugh* buy music?

[Trias]

I've heard the rumours about Doc uploadin' it. :pek

[Audrey]

^ Never listend or didn't like? Considering your vast knowledge of the genre, I take the latter option?

I just don't care for them, although some of the members have been in bands I like very much.

[Audrey]

Oh, and... (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=310487)

[Trias]

I just don't care for them, although some of the members have been in bands I like very much.

Well, only ones I've seen in other bands are Garm (Ulver and stuff) and the drummer, whose name's very hard to remember, but he plays in Spiral Architect, tech-death band I like very much, kind of. Not sure if we can count Vintersorg.

Geez, how come you like stuff like Mayhem but not Borknagar? :pek

I shoul go and feast on Empyrium anyways (...and I'd better do not listen to die schwane im schilf, I'm in a good mood and don't wanna ruin it with an atmosphere of utter depression.)

X3

[Audrey]

Geez, how come you like stuff like Mayhem but not Borknagar? :pek

I only like the two Mayhem albums that have Attila Csihar's vocals on them. Maniac's vocals are annoying and not that good, and I couldn't care less about Dead and the live album he appears on.

I dunno, I'm just not a fan of their style. Maybe I should try listening to them again sometime.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Is anyoen every going to up a Millard Mulch album or am I going to have to *ugh* buy music?

It's incredibly hard to find, oddly.

If UMC can't find it, you'll be hard pressed to find a free download link. I had to buy it, and while it was totally worth it, I can't spread it around anywhere.

[Audrey]

Sir Millard Mulch - 50 Intellectually Stimulating Themes From A Cheap Amusement Park For Robots & Aliens, Vol. 1: http://www.divshare.com/download/695085-289

All I could find. If I see anything else on Soulseek, I'll get it for you.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Of course I'm taking it! <333

But if you can find a link for his latest, I'm going to make a thead 'bout it.

[Audrey]

I'll see what I can do.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I need moar Avant Metal bands nao plz

[Altron]

I need moar Avant Metal bands nao plz

Go Viking!

Amon Amarth, Black Messiah, Grave Digger, Korpiklaani, Legion of the damned :awesome

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Now, when you say Avant, you mean experimental, right? :awesome

Checking them out anyways.

[Cell]

Go Viking!

Amon Amarth, Black Messiah, Grave Digger, Korpiklaani, Legion of the damned

Lame melodeath/black bands really aren't avant-garde metal.

I recommend Godflesh!

[Altron]

Lame melodeath/black bands really aren't avant-garde metal.

I recommend Godflesh!

bah! You're the one who is lame all i am doing is merely suggesting Boskov what i LIKE to listen to, since i really don't give a shit about your opinion just like you would say the same to me. :notrust

[Cell]

He clearly stated "avant metal" not "power metal" or "melodeath".

[mystictrunks]

It's incredibly hard to find, oddly.

If UMC can't find it, you'll be hard pressed to find a free download link. I had to buy it, and while it was totally worth it, I can't spread it around anywhere.

Is it because you got it off of Itunes? If so there are a few programs out there to solve that problem.

[destroy_musick]

i love how you guys ignored my 324 pimp :3

best Japanese grindcore band ever, come on! XD

EDIT: I have 3 Millard Mulch albums. Seriously, guys, you need to ask me more often XD

[Trias]

Lame melodeath/black bands really aren't avant-garde metal.

I recommend Godflesh!

Bah, lame industrial grindcore bands really aren't avant-garde metal.

I recommaned Estradasphere.

He clearly stated "avant metal" not "power metal" or "melodeath".

Power Metal? :facepalm

bah! You're the one who is lame all i am doing is merely suggesting Boskov what i LIKE to listen to, since i really don't give a shit about your opinion just like you would say the same to me. :notrust

He asked for everything other than what you asked, lol. (I do like those bands, but were they avant-garde? Not much.)

i love how you guys ignored my 324 pimp :3

best Japanese grindcore band ever, come on! XD

EDIT: I have 3 Millard Mulch albums. Seriously, guys, you need to ask me more often XD

Smells like fresh pimp.

[Audrey]

He clearly stated "avant metal" not "power metal" or "melodeath".

Since he stated avant-metal, why would you recommend Godflesh? Don't even try to argue that one.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

:awesome

Oh d_m, would you, could you upload How To Sell, please. :iria

I'm still waiting for Avant Metal. :pek :pek

[Audrey]

While you're waiting for that, download those Empyrium albums. If you like Opeth and Agalloch, I can't see you not enjoying them.

I'm gonna pimp Om by Negură Bunget later, which is easily one of the finest post-2000 black metal albums.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I am.

I've got the first one going as we speak.

[Audrey]

I'll also pimp Carriers of Dust to satisfy your lust for avant-garde metal.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I like how it's a "lust" instead of an intelligent, and intriguing hunger for knowledge. :awesome.

I already repped you recently, so I can't just yet. :pek

[Cell]

Bah, lame industrial grindcore bands really aren't avant-garde metal.

When did Godflesh become industrial grindcore? xD

Also, Boskov, for "avant garde" metal, check out Le Scrawl. They're a mix of death/grind, ska and lounge music. Very fun band.

[Audrey]

They aren't avant-garde. They're one of the first industrial metal bands. Oh, and I also find it funny that you periodically whore out recommending fairly well-known bands on this site for a few days at a time.

[Cell]

What is "avant garde"? Seriously, I'd just consider avant-garde to be very out-there music, like Primus or Mr. Bungle.

[Audrey]

Both of those bands have avant-garde elements. Avant-garde structures in music are defined by experimentation utilizing atypical song structures and combining elements of many different types of music to create experimental music that is often very difficult to classify by genre.

[Cell]

I honestly wouldn't know. I don't listen to avant-garde music that often, and the only ones I DO listen to are ones that Boskov would've already heard before.

[Audrey]

Some good examples of bands which play or have played avant-garde music are Mr. Bungle, Primus, Estradasphere, Secret Chiefs 3, Fantômas, The Residents, Sigh, Solefald, Ulver, Arcturus, Mirrorthrone, and UneXpect. There's way more, but those seem to be some popular ones who have made pretty great music.

[Cell]

Estradasphere, Secret Chiefs 3,

Arcturus, Mirrorthrone,

and

Solefald

Are the only ones I've never heard.

I've heard the other ones, though.

[Audrey]

I pimped a Mirrorthrone album today, which is linked in my signature. I can also pimp The Sham Mirrors by Arcturus if you want to hear it. It's like trip-hop meets black metal with Garm doing clean vocals, and he's an amazing singer.

[Cell]

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not a big fan of avant-garde music or black metal, though, I'll DL it when I'm in a more weird music mood.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

When did Godflesh become industrial grindcore? xD

Also, Boskov, for "avant garde" metal, check out Le Scrawl. They're a mix of death/grind, ska and lounge music. Very fun band.

I will, sounds like my kind of music. :awesome

'Cause ya'll know me like dat.

What is "avant garde"? Seriously, I'd just consider avant-garde to be very out-there music, like Primus or Mr. Bungle.

Avant-garde, as it is described now in music, generally has one of two meanings, (Or both, in some cases, like Sleepytime Gorilla Musem):

1-Exerimental music in general, whether it ranges from Mr. Bungle/John Zorn Jazz Experimentation, or Godspeed You! Black Emperor's use of all sorts of instruments in their music, combined with a rather (at the time) atypical song structure and chord.

2-Music, generally rock in most cases, that uses actual avant garde song structures in their music, combining the dissonance, and disharmony of 17th century avant garde classical composers, with more traditional forms of music, like again, rock or metal. Though this type is more or less the smaller of the two, it shows itself in many types of genres.

X3

[Trias]

3- Music created by bands or artists who don't know jackshit about music and composition and have no enstrumental mastery, so try to look "willingly out of structure" in order to hide their lack of ability. :LOS

4- Music created by bands or artists who simply think that whole theories and technical bullshit is that, bullshit, hence no need to limit yourself with them. :pek

5- A term made up by some metal geek, who's now laughing his ass off with this whole classification wars going on forums.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

3- Music created by bands or artists who don't know jackshit about music and composition and have no enstrumental mastery, so try to look "willingly out of structure" in order to hide their lack of ability. :LOS

4- Music created by bands or artists who simply think that whole theories and technical bullshit is that, bullshit, hence no need to limit yourself with them. :pek

5- A term made up by some metal geek, who's now laughing his ass off with this whole classification wars going on forums.

Guilty as charged. :hehee

[destroy_musick]

you guys need alot more proper avant-garde music. Talking about it in a metal thread to me is proof that your experience with proper French avant-garde music is limited

I lol a Primus being called avant-garde. Only early Residents is more what avant-garde music really sounds like XD They're too conventional now to be considored it now though (yes, i fucking went there)

:3

I did make a list somewhere, but alas, it is gone. Just get some Erik Hinds or Acousticle in ya and you're on a right start XD

[Trias]

French Metal? :facepalm

[destroy_musick]

French :facepalm

[Audrey]

Hey, a lot of French music is good. Screw you guys. :laugh

[Trias]

Audrey is french, %100 proven. :LOS

Actually, some of the bands I worship are french, (Symbyosis leadin' them) but, lol, French Avant-Garde music is something I definitely don't want to dig out, for I usually dream of a time when I'll stop digging out music that will make me want to poke my eardrums out.)

[Audrey]

I'm Italian. Most of the French bands I listen to make electronic music, black metal, ambient music or post-punk.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

d_m, did you read my post HM?

I THINK NOT!

OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IT!

[destroy_musick]

d_m, did you read my post HM?

I THINK NOT!

OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IT!

oh i did, but i was more pointing out the hilarity behind talking about avant-garde music in a metal thread XD (and dont throw your avant-metal crap0la at me, i know the difference XD)

[Catatonik]

To be fair Dave, almost all the avant-garde music has hefty doses of metal involved.

So it is not entirely inappropriate.

Also, having listened to Sworn to a Great Divide (Soilwork), and I can say it is....ok.

I would not go out of my way to share it (I would instead use Natural Born Chaos being the Devy fanboy I am), nor am I likely to keep it on my hard drive much longer. It has some nice moments, and some of the clean vocals appeal, but on the whole it is mediocre in comparison to some of their previous efforts.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

oh i did, but i was more pointing out the hilarity behind talking about avant-garde music in a metal thread XD (and dont throw your avant-metal crap0la at me, i know the difference XD)

Don't go all elitist on me, that's my job. :pek

I can wiki the difference, if you'd like.

I need proper avant garde classical composer music for sure, but, oh, I know the difference, Dave, I know. :pek :pek

[destroy_musick]

To be fair Dave, almost all the avant-garde music has hefty doses of metal involved.

This is what im saying, it DOESN'T. Classic avant-garde, which the Doc has also pointed, is completely VOID of ANY genre XD

There is a complete overshadowing of proper avant-garde by avant-metalheads, and it's a crying shame

[Trias]

I fail to see how Avant-garde is void of other genres, thus an entirely different genre itself.

Explain please.

[destroy_musick]

i'll give an example:

two very promimnent acts in avant-garde, let's say Negativland and Erik Hinds. Their music can't be compared because they play two different styles of music. The only thing that they have in common is that they have taken a huge, royal dump on song structure and conception of music.

Perhaps saying "void" was a wrong choice of words, because more often than not it borrows alot of elements, i just get rubbed up the wrong way when im told most avant-garde has metal influence when it really doesnt XD

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

This is what im saying, it DOESN'T. Classic avant-garde, which the Doc has also pointed, is completely VOID of ANY genre XD

I say this in all seriousness when I say: Enlighten me.

I've always been fascinated by what I've read about, and the little I've heard of actuall avant garde musicians, and their. If you'd be so kind, my good moderator, I'd like some albums plox. If you don't, I'm reporting your for mod abuse.


There is a complete overshadowing of proper avant-garde by avant-metalheads, and it's a crying shame

Oh no did not just insult my crew, yo. I'm gonna tear your shit up, son!

[destroy_musick]

I say this in all seriousness when I say: Enlighten me.

I've always been fascinated by what I've read about, and the little I've heard of actuall avant garde musicians, and their. If you'd be so kind, my good moderator, I'd like some albums plox. If you don't, I'm reporting your for mod abuse.

I'll see what I can rustle up. I've got so much random crap on this machine it's amazing that I can still hold my sanity XD

EDIT: Just found some Pierre Schaeffer, perfect :3

Oh no did not just insult my crew, yo. I'm gonna tear your shit up, son!

Unintentional, coz i love avant-metal too XD

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

I love you. <3

[destroy_musick]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=12814085#post12814085

there ya go, avant-garde pioneer and not a trace of metal in sight ;)

[Catatonik]

Well, I will bite. Though from the review I wonder at what I am getting myself into.

[destroy_musick]

i'm just here to educate :3

and pimp alot...

[Moony]

I say i listen to Metal.. but the truth is only subgenres of Metal .. because i hate alot of metal..

I mostly Listen to Death/Black metal.. I havent every listened to Doom Metal, might like it.. not sure but i know Grindcore SUCKS

The bands on my itunes are..
Darkthrone
Mayhem
aZaril
Cannibal Corpse
Gorgoroth
Nile
Dimmu Borgir
Behemoth
Black Sabbath
Bolt Thrower
Morbid Angel
Immortal

but I also listen to

Beherit
Burzum
Arsona
Vader
Testament
Metallica(early)
Carcass
Entombed
.. and a lot of shit

[Mr.Pirate Ninja]

I say i listen to Metal.. but the truth is only subgenres of Metal .. because i hate alot of metal..

I mostly Listen to Death/Black metal.. I havent every listened to Doom Metal, might like it.. not sure but i know Grindcore SUCKS

The bands on my itunes are..
Darkthrone
Mayhem
aZaril
Cannibal Corpse
Gorgoroth
Nile
Dimmu Borgir
Behemoth
Black Sabbath
Bolt Thrower
Morbid Angel
Immortal

but I also listen to

Beherit
Burzum
Arsona
Vader
Testament
Metallica(early)
Carcass
Entombed
.. and a lot of shit

That is some heavy sh*t you got there!

Ever heard of a band called "All Shall Perish" I think you'd like them.

Some other bands you might like are "Beneath The Massacre", "Aborted", "Job For A Cowboy" and "Anaal Nathrahk".

[Moony]

That is some heavy sh*t you got there!

Ever heard of a band called "All Shall Perish" I think you'd like them.

Some other bands you might like are "Beneath The Massacre", "Aborted", "Job For A Cowboy" and "Anaal Nathrahk".
Thanks and idk All Shall Perish sounds familiar..

Never heard of Beneath The Massacre

Heard of Aborted and Anaal Nathrahk(might have listened to Anaal Nathrahk, i think i have once.. they were pretty good if i remember correctly)

I absolutely hate Job for a cowboy.. dumbest shit ive ever heard.. lol but thats my opinion

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

Needs Meshuggah if you want heavy.

[Trias]

lol @ Burzum, Immortal and Dimmu Burger.

[Moony]

I can understand u lolling at Dimmu..

But Burzum, you have mental issues..

and Immortal was and is untouchable, some of the best bm ever made.

i noticed u didnt lol at Gorgoroth.. but really they wont even fucking publish their lyrics but they say its not about music its about the message.. lol

[Audrey]

Burzum is hilarious. Varg is a funny guy. Expecting people to take him seriously after all the stuff he's done is a joke.

[Vongola]

Moony you've got some great bands on your list, dimmu borgir and gorgoroth are the shit.

[destroy_musick]

wait wait wait, you hate grindcore yet list Cannibal Corpse (forerunner of death-grind) and Carcass (father of goregrind next to Impetigo and Dead Infection) in your list? Unless you mean "old school" grindcore, which is a punk genre anyway

-is a grind, death tard :LOS-

[Trias]

I can understand u lolling at Dimmu..

But Burzum, you have mental issues..

and Immortal was and is untouchable, some of the best bm ever made.

i noticed u didnt lol at Gorgoroth.. but really they wont even fucking publish their lyrics but they say its not about music its about the message.. lol

Dimmu Burger is a band which I simply want to think out of existence,

Burzum, aka Varg's one-man band, is nothing more than a joke because of the artist being a complete retard. (Not to mention he was the one that had mental issues lol)

And Immortal's whole appearance, their videos and pictures, are enough to laugh my ass every damn time I see any of them.

No matter how good they play their instruments or how thoughtful their music (not to mention that Immortal is neither very technical or very thoughtful) I usually fail to take a band serious when they are dressed like third-class horror movie leads.

lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJu9i4BdJs)

[Jugger]

Finland is country where you can find so fucking good and many heavy metal band like sonata arctica, children of bodom, nightwish and many other

[Moony]

Dimmu Burger is a band which I simply want to think out of existence,

Burzum, aka Varg's one-man band, is nothing more than a joke because of the artist being a complete retard. (Not to mention he was the one that had mental issues lol)

And Immortal's whole appearance, their videos and pictures, are enough to laugh my ass every damn time I see any of them.

No matter how good they play their instruments or how thoughtful their music (not to mention that Immortal is neither very technical or very thoughtful) I usually fail to take a band serious when they are dressed like third-class horror movie leads.

lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJu9i4BdJs)

I agree with the Immortal pictures and MUSIC VIDEOS.. but their Live in Cologne in 1993(idk if i spelled that city right or w/e it is) is awesome + most of their live stuff is fine.. except when they have their shirts off, theyre getting too fat to do that lol

Burzum, I like the music.. I dont think of all Varg has done before it.. He played on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas didnt he? but should i stop liking Mayhem because of that?

Dimmu was the First bmish band i ever listened to really so i cant say i hate them, but i only listen to a few songs off Enthrone Darkness and Stormblast, not any after


anyways why is everyone like looking down on my list because there is 2 bands that are typically hated..(dimmu borgir and Burzum..) plus ur using excuses ive heard so many times it isnt funny anymore.. just comment on a band u like in it dont bash me for 1 u dont like please.


I mean I dont like a lot of Grindcore because its stupid, isnt some shit like Pig Destroyer grind or something? lol


And to Audrey, Wolves in the Throne Room .. lol k and ur making fun of a band on my list, you dont even need to listen to them to tell they are gay.

[destroy_musick]

yeah it is. But your definition of stupid is a bit...i dunno, vague?

Grindcore isn't, on a musical standpoint in anycase, meant to be taken seriously.

Not trying to convert you or anything, but to call grindcore stupid is like calling a cat a cat, if you know what i mean. There are a lot of brilliant grindcore bands out there, but seeing as you like Carcass, you'd probably like alot of the more "metallish" gore acts like:

Aborted
Rompeprop
Impetigo
Dead Infection
mid/late Napalm Death (you can never go wrong with ND: that's 20 years of extreme music)
Regurgitate
Prostitute Disfigurement
Eardelete
324
Fleshless

and the like. Give 'em a shot, you may be surprised. Try Brujeria too, very death-grindy with this entire Mexican gimmick thing going. Embury of ND is one of its founding members and most grindcore fans and death metal fans alike rate them highly for good reason.

If not, well, i dunno XD different strokes :LOS

[Moony]

I cant lie, Napalm Death is Awesome..

I should of rephrased.. I haven't liked most of the Grindcore I've listened to(which really isnt that much)