Who is THE True King Of New York?

[King]

Like the title says and Why?

Me- At this point in time of rap music, 50 cent. He has some hard records out and everyone else right now is pretty much slacking and lacking.

[Sub-Zero]

DMX. Do I even need an explanation? :pek

ps- 50 Cent is one of the worst rappers on the scene.

[delirium]

Jay or Nas. They do the most for the game on a whole. 50 sells a lot of records, but he's not progressing the art much. Papoose got crazy mixtapes, but who the fuck knows who Papoose is besides your core Hip Hop fans?

Jay & Nas touch on both sides. Preference's sake goes to Nas though.

[erictheking]

Jay or Nas. They do the most for the game on a whole. 50 sells a lot of records, but he's not progressing the art much. Papoose got crazy mixtapes, but who the fuck knows who Papoose is besides your core Hip Hop fans?

Jay & Nas touch on both sides. Preference's sake goes to Nas though.

Pretty much. Though Papoose isn't up there yet skills-wise to be compared to Nas & Jay even if he was more established. 50 Cent has nothing going for him as far as I'm concerned, and I believe his future sales will follow the trend of his latest album. He's not moving forward for himself or hip-hop in general. Jay is the most influential and that's final. Nas is staying current, and is making the best music out of all them.

I say Nas.

[Cell]

Gorilla Biscuits.














Punk > Rap. :oh

[Blaze of Glory]

DMX is the only one trying his hardest to revive rap music.

The others rare too busy bathing in their own shit.

[Undercovermc]

I agree with Del and Snake, but I'd sway towards Jay because of his influence on the game as a whole and his position in Hip-Hop right now, as a major record label CEO. Also, Nas has done some questionable things lately, such as shun the Black Republicans video.

[Blaze of Glory]

I agree with Del and Snake, but I'd sway towards Jay because of his influence on the game as a whole and his position in Hip-Hop right now, as a major record label CEO. Also, Nas has done some questionable things lately, such as shun the Black Republicans video.

Dude is you kidding me? Jay like Diddy is one of those people who totally mainstream Hip-Hop and turned into shit. Nas however is quite close to the title "King".

[Undercovermc]

Dude is you kidding me? Jay like Diddy is one of those people who totally mainstream Hip-Hop and turned into shit. Nas however is quite close to the title "King".
You don't know what you're talking about. Are you really going to compare Jay-Z's music to Diddy's? I think I'm going to have to break it down for you.

Jay-Z write his own lyrics (most of them, don't hate), while Diddy's whole discography has been ghost-written. He's nothing more than a voice on the track, there's no personal connection to be made. Also, Jay-Z actually has a classic album under his belt, name a Diddy classic. Jay-Z is one of the best in the game for puns and double entendres and is a lot more introspective than Diddy.

Don't let Dre or Sin see you putting Jay and Diddy in the same light, music-wise.

[erictheking]

I agree with Del and Snake, but I'd sway towards Jay because of his influence on the game as a whole and his position in Hip-Hop right now, as a major record label CEO. Also, Nas has done some questionable things lately, such as shun the Black Republicans video.

I would agree with you if Jay used his influence to further hip-hop in general. I don't think he's done enough personally. He's wasting his time pushing Lady Sovereign.

I know you're acting crazy with that Nas one. Him & Spike couldn't work the situation out properly, so he had to scrap the idea.. that's a "questionable thing" on Nas' part? :apathy Get off his dick.

[Undercovermc]

Lady who?

So he didn't sign Nas to Def Jam and help him out of his bad situation at Sony?

Yes it's a questionable thing because he basically said he couldn't think of an idea so he left it. That's weak. But if you want more examples, where's the Hustler's video that's for a long time now been filmed and edited? I'll tell you, it's still with the producer and Nas can't even get it off him. Smarten up.

[erictheking]

Lady who?

So he didn't sign Nas to Def Jam and help him out of his bad situation at Sony?

Yes it's a questionable thing because he basically said he couldn't think of an idea so he left it. That's weak. But if you want more examples, where's the Hustler's video that's for a long time now been filmed and edited? I'll tell you, it's still with the producer and Nas can't even get it off him. Smarten up.

Lady Sovereign, from your high school & town.

Nas' bad situation at Sony? Def Jam IS Sony.

Nas said him & Spike Lee couldn't agree on ideas for the video, so he scrapped it. That's not weak but Blue Magic is.

As for all this talk about video production - how is that relevant to furthering the hip-hop music and even affecting someone's status like that? Jay-Z in his position has a much bigger responsibility to recruit talent than Nas has making the videos on the times you want them. Nas is making good albums, that's all I expect.

[Undercovermc]

Sony is the conglomerate that subsidises Def Jam, but Sony Music is a record label in it self and is not intertwined with Def Jam.

It's relevant because the KoNY shouldn't be getting hustled by music video producers. This thread isn't about who makes the best music/is the best lyrically. Can't you read the poll? With names like Cam'ron and 50 Cent on there, it can't possible be. I'm talking about the top two candidates Nas and Jay-Z and who of the two handles their business best.

[erictheking]

Sony is the conglomerate that subsidises Def Jam, but Sony Music is a record label in it self and is not intertwined with Def Jam.

It's relevant because the KoNY shouldn't be getting hustled by music video producers. This thread isn't about who makes the best music/is the best lyrically. Can't you read the poll? With names like Cam'ron and 50 Cent on there, it can't possible be. I'm talking about the top two candidates Nas and Jay-Z and who of the two handles their business best.

Nas was on Columbia which is under Sony just like Def Jam is.

So this isn't about who makes the best music, but who's the best businessman?

[King Bookah]

Not Nas, 50 or Jay cuz they're all overatted. Think hte King was some guy named Biggie or something. You guys probably haven't heard of him tho.

[Undercovermc]

@Snake: That depends on how you interpret what makes a rapper suitable to be the King of their city. It's not entirely about who's the best businessman but that a contributing factor in Jay-Z's case.

Not Nas, 50 or Jay cuz they're all overatted. Think hte King was some guy named Biggie or something. You guys probably haven't heard of him tho.
Who do you think we are? He went by the names of The Notorious B.I.G, Biggie Smalls and sometimes Frank White.

This is about living artists. Have you ever heard of a dead king?

[King Bookah]

Even tho BIG is dead, I have not heard a rapper from NY since then that's matched him. But if dead guys don't count, going with Nas then.

[Purgatory]

Anthrax.

Thrash/Speed > Rap.

[Lord Yu]

^ You, get out. You have proven time and again you don't listen to enough music to post here.

[Purgatory]

^ You, get out. You have proven time and again you don't listen to enough music to post here.

I can post wherever I damn please. Metal > Rap any day.

[Undercovermc]

That's your opinion, now stop trolling.

[delirium]

Anthrax.

Thrash/Speed > Rap.

I may not be "MD Mod" anymore, but I can still have you section banned from this place if you continue to troll Hip Hop threads. You can post anywhere you like as long as you're not impinging on anyone's ability to enjoy these threads, which you are. All you do is come into these threads and throw around our Metal > Hip Hop propaganda for the purpose of simply rousing people up. No one here is in your face telling you to listen to Hip Hop instead of metal. So you have no right to get in anyone's face to tall them that they should listen to Metal instead. Ignore the threads if you don't like the genre.

[Perverse]

I may not be "MD Mod" anymore, but I can still have you section banned from this place if you continue to troll Hip Hop threads. You can post anywhere you like as long as you're not impinging on anyone's ability to enjoy these threads, which you are. All you do is come into these threads and throw around our Metal > Hip Hop propaganda for the purpose of simply rousing people up. No one here is in your face telling you to listen to Hip Hop instead of metal. So you have no right to get in anyone's face to tall them that they should listen to Metal instead. Ignore the threads if you don't like the genre.

Respect, Arnie.

I don't think I can honestly say I believe there is a King of NY. Undoubtedly that mantle was Biggie's in his day, but since then there have been many that have been advocated as 'the new NY rap saviour,' from Nas to Jay-Z to Papoose, and probably many others. As such, NY has produced a lot of great rappers, but I can't think of one definitive guy who has stood out enough to be given such a distinction.

[Biscuits]

Nas.
Jay is more on the business side of the game.

[Onizuka]

Nas teh Escobar- for me there is no other NYC king.

[rockst☆r sin]

Jay or Nas. They do the most for the game on a whole. 50 sells a lot of records, but he's not progressing the art much. Papoose got crazy mixtapes, but who the fuck knows who Papoose is besides your core Hip Hop fans?

Jay & Nas touch on both sides. Preference's sake goes to Nas though.

Quoted for truth. As talents goes, Jadakiss is the prince.

[master bruce]

i like kiss and x, but to be honest its like thid, dude.

jay king of new york
50 prince(right now)
nas is next in line for prince hood(right now)


but if big was still alive he'd be king.
since he's dead he doesn't count though.




"people lie numbers don't."


-Jay z

[Audrey]

The true king of New York? It was Rudy Giulliani.

[Efraim Longstocking]

I can post wherever I damn please. Metal > Rap any day.

Anthrax occassionally raps ^^. "I'm the Man" \m/

So I vote for Anthrax too :). Fifty sucks, Jay sucks, Nas sucks and I haven't heard the others.

Aren't Beastie Boys from New York? Those are the real kings. Creative, progressive and, while it doesn't matter to me, they have the sales, definately.

[rockst☆r sin]

Anthrax occassionally raps ^^. "I'm the Man" \m/

So I vote for Anthrax too :). Fifty sucks, Jay sucks, Nas sucks and I haven't heard the others.

Aren't Beastie Boys from New York? Those are the real kings. Creative, progressive and, while it doesn't matter to me, they have the sales, definately.

Am I not surprised Fifty, Jay, and Nas sucks to you but Beastie Boys are the kings? There's a reason why I'm not surprised but I wont even type it in here.

[neko-sennin]

John Gotti! ...I mean, the Fun-Lovin' Criminals!

Listen to "Come Find Yourself" or "100% Colombian" and find out for yourself.

[little nin]

Nas has to be it for me, 50 is past his prime if he doesn't come out with anything

DMX i used to fucking love

king of new york for the options given, Nas

[King]

Wow. So pretty much no G-unit fans whatsoever. I can respect that. But 50 is still the King of New York. Nas doesn't really come out with anything anymore, but he is a pretty good lyricist. Jay is still in the game but I just think he raps too much about him.

[Purgatory]

I may not be "MD Mod" anymore, but I can still have you section banned from this place if you continue to troll Hip Hop threads. You can post anywhere you like as long as you're not impinging on anyone's ability to enjoy these threads, which you are. All you do is come into these threads and throw around our Metal > Hip Hop propaganda for the purpose of simply rousing people up. No one here is in your face telling you to listen to Hip Hop instead of metal. So you have no right to get in anyone's face to tall them that they should listen to Metal instead. Ignore the threads if you don't like the genre.

I'm not all "Metal > Hip Hop" in every thread involving it, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Perverse]

He's not getting his panties in a bunch, but you're just disrupting otherwise productive discussion.

[Blaze of Glory]

You don't know what you're talking about. Are you really going to compare Jay-Z's music to Diddy's? I think I'm going to have to break it down for you.

Jay-Z write his own lyrics (most of them, don't hate), while Diddy's whole discography has been ghost-written. He's nothing more than a voice on the track, there's no personal connection to be made. Also, Jay-Z actually has a classic album under his belt, name a Diddy classic. Jay-Z is one of the best in the game for puns and double entendres and is a lot more introspective than Diddy.

Don't let Dre or Sin see you putting Jay and Diddy in the same light, music-wise.

Jay-Z sucks and is pretty much just slowly stupidifying his music. All you people jump on his dick too much for him being able to fucking sing songs without writing down the lyrics. So what. Kingdom Come is ehhh. Nas Hip Hop is dead is raw as hell. And check out his other albums.

Wow. So pretty much no G-unit fans whatsoever. I can respect that. But 50 is still the King of New York. Nas doesn't really come out with anything anymore, but he is a pretty good lyricist. Jay is still in the game but I just think he raps too much about him.

Dude 50 cent is weak. I mean WEAK. Listen to his newest album and you,ll know what I mean.

Nas is and always has been the king of New York.

Show love to the nigga

and Blitzkrieg shut the fuck up

Take Rock N roll bullshit the fuck up out of here. Tired of seeing you dick-riding rock lovers all over this motherfucker.

[delirium]

I'm not all "Metal > Hip Hop" in every thread involving it, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

You're not? How about these set of posts then.

I can post wherever I damn please. Metal > Rap any day.

Anthrax.

Thrash/Speed > Rap.

They both suck hard, but if I had to choose which sucked less, I would choose...Kanye.

I hate rap, hip-hop, country, Metallica and Megadeth now, Green Day after Insomniac, SOAD, Dragonforce, Rob Halford after Priest, Black Sabbath Dio Era, Ozzy Ozbourn, Van Halen with Sammy Hagar, goth/emo bands, pop/punk, bands like As I Lay Dying, All-American Rejects and Fall Out Boy, and some others...

Black Sabbath solos Rap from every generation.

Prove that you're heard Rap from every generation.
I don't need to.

Trunks, Metal shits all over Rap's face.

When it becomes apparent to everyone here that anytime a Hip Hop thread is made and you're posting in it and it will undoubtedly be a bashing post, you need to go ahead and start ignoring these because all of use here know that you don't listen to Hip Hop. And none of us really care whether you do or not. What we don't like is you coming into these threads and spewing your hate for the genre while no one is even trying to convert you otherwise.

So unless you want to step outside of your musical comfort zone and actually listen to Hip Hop in depth so you can add to the conversation, then I suggest you stay out of these threads.

[Lone Gunman]

I personally think it's Rakim because he influenced everyone on that list the OP created in one way or another. Plus, the man has garnered a great deal of respect from hip hop artists and listeners alike. I have never really heard anyone in the rap community say that they hated Rakim except for Freddie Foxx.

[Purgatory]

You're not? How about these set of posts then.















When it becomes apparent to everyone here that anytime a Hip Hop thread is made and you're posting in it and it will undoubtedly be a bashing post, you need to go ahead and start ignoring these because all of use here know that you don't listen to Hip Hop. And none of us really care whether you do or not. What we don't like is you coming into these threads and spewing your hate for the genre while no one is even trying to convert you otherwise.

So unless you want to step outside of your musical comfort zone and actually listen to Hip Hop in depth so you can add to the conversation, then I suggest you stay out of these threads.

And yet this department deals with elitists :notrust

[Cell]

Blitz, stop being so fucking closed minded. Even I accept rap as a fairly decent genre of music, though quality does vary at times. Unless you've heard every rap group, song and album ever, you cannot say rap sucks.

[Rated R Superstar]

I think alot of people are in denial as of who is the king of ny..RIGHT NOW!! Right now, the king is 50, hands down, whether you like it or not(Trust me, i dont like it just as much as you dont). Nas hasnt done anything..RIGHT NOW, to establish himself as the king of NY. He's comin out with an album, and until he does it's far too early to say he's the king. And dmx? Please, what has he done lately besides get locked up?

[Blaze of Glory]

I personally think it's Rakim because he influenced everyone on that list the OP created in one way or another. Plus, the man has garnered a great deal of respect from hip hop artists and listeners alike. I have never really heard anyone in the rap community say that they hated Rakim except for Freddie Foxx.

Damn! I forgot all about Rakim! :amazed Maybe he the king.

[little nin]

I think alot of people are in denial as of who is the king of ny..RIGHT NOW!! Right now, the king is 50, hands down, whether you like it or not(Trust me, i dont like it just as much as you dont). Nas hasnt done anything..RIGHT NOW, to establish himself as the king of NY. He's comin out with an album, and until he does it's far too early to say he's the king. And dmx? Please, what has he done lately besides get locked up?


right now wasn't apart of it

THE king of NY was it

just the first post's opinion was one "right now"

50 cent's album had what? 5 songs that we're ok, nigga hyped that shit up like we was getting another get rich or die tryin

[erictheking]

I personally think it's Rakim because he influenced everyone on that list the OP created in one way or another. Plus, the man has garnered a great deal of respect from hip hop artists and listeners alike. I have never really heard anyone in the rap community say that they hated Rakim except for Freddie Foxx.

Rakim isn't current enough. In his prime he can be considered the greatest of all-time let alone just New York, but the long hiatus periods and even where he is now musically, I don't think he's relevant enough to be 'the king'.

[Lone Gunman]

Rakim isn't current enough. In his prime he can be considered the greatest of all-time let alone just New York, but the long hiatus periods and even where he is now musically, I don't think he's relevant enough to be 'the king'.

I can see where you're coming from dude, but I think all of that will change when Rakim drops The Seventh Seal.

[Blaze of Glory]

I can see where you're coming from dude, but I think all of that will change when Rakim drops The Seventh Seal.

Win


@ Snake_108


Rakim is the inspiration behind the Hip-Hop style everyone loves and pretty much the greatest nigga that be in the rap game. All the rest is lame.

[Dre]

Who gives a fuck?


Nas is not the king tho, his radio joints don't pop. So get that idea out of your head. Jay is the king.

[Blaze of Glory]

Who gives a fuck?


Nas is not the king tho, his radio joints don't pop. So get that idea out of your head. Jay is the king.

*sighs*

Another Jay dickrider. :(

[rockst☆r sin]

I think alot of people are in denial as of who is the king of ny..RIGHT NOW!! Right now, the king is 50, hands down, whether you like it or not(Trust me, i dont like it just as much as you dont). Nas hasnt done anything..RIGHT NOW, to establish himself as the king of NY. He's comin out with an album, and until he does it's far too early to say he's the king. And dmx? Please, what has he done lately besides get locked up?

If that's the case, the true King of New York is Jay. Has the most money in the rap game. Check. Successful Wifey. Check. American Gangster has more hype than 50's album. He's Co Owner of a Basketball team and is president of Def Jam. Yeah, this Jay>50 any day.

[Mad Hatter]

Where is diddy on the poll. :rofl :rofl :rofl


Nas I think. One of the best lyricists ever to enter the game.

When we talk about king what do we mean.

Who is the most wedge?
Who has the most guns?
Who has the best looking girl?
Who has the best house?

I'm keeping it on a rap level, If we're talking about success It is Diddy, coz he's worth approximately $500 million.

but on a rap level, Nas is the king of New York. with Jay-z coming close behind.

[rockst☆r sin]

^Jay is richer than Diddy so what are you saying. Jay was number 1 on the list for 2 years straight now.

[Dre]

*sighs*

Another Jay dickrider. :(

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How am i dickriding? When's the last time Nazzz had any radio success? The King of NY has to do it all, be nice, have commercial success and all that. Fall back Stanley.

[Mad Hatter]

^Jay is richer than Diddy so what are you saying. Jay was number 1 on the list for 2 years straight now.
I'm adamant Diddy is richer than Jay-z

EDIT: I take that back, done some wiki research. Diddy is behind Jay.

Shit. I remember watching some program where it said diddy was worth a considerable amount more than jay. Jay is on his grind.

Jay-z is isn't exactly making hits all the time. You heard his verse on I get Money remix.

Fall back dre.

[erictheking]

How am i dickriding? When's the last time Nazzz had any radio success? The King of NY has to do it all, be nice, have commercial success and all that. Fall back Stanley.


Hip-Hop Is Dead went Gold. Every other album went Platinum; apart from It Was Written and I Am.. which went 2X Platinum.

[Dre]

Hip-Hop Is Dead went Gold. Every other album went Platinum; apart from It Was Written and I Am.. which went 2X Platinum.

When is the last time you were riding in the whip and heard a new nas joint on the radio?



Dude is nasty, commercially- nah.


Jay-z is isn't exactly making hits all the time. You heard his verse on I get Money remix.

Fall back dre.

Who are you and why are you talking to me? Play your position.

[rockst☆r sin]

I approve of this thread. Personally with my pride, I wouldn't call any dude King, especially when I live in New York. Now if King of New York means who is the main dude in NY, Jay has to get it. Nas is my dude. Anybody who knows me would tell you that I think Nas>Jay, but who the fuck sells out the Garden in minutes? Nas could never do that even if the concert was free. I'm too tired to list all of the success Jay has. The first rapper ever on 60 Minutes. Man you get my point.

Nas is still that dude though.

[Blaze of Glory]

http://i21.tinypic.com/2w30vlv.jpg

How am i dickriding? When's the last time Nazzz had any radio success? The King of NY has to do it all, be nice, have commercial success and all that. Fall back Stanley.


At least Nas get's more praise than Jay-Z's punk-ass do. All the shit we hear from is the same old shit we see daily it ain't any way creative or amazing. His lyricism fails and his technique is overrated. At least Nas is skilled in both areas.

[Purgatory]

and Blitzkrieg shut the fuck up

Take Rock N roll bullshit the fuck up out of here. Tired of seeing you dick-riding rock lovers all over this motherfucker.

And YOU'RE not sucking the cock of the "rappers"?

Blitz, stop being so fucking closed minded. Even I accept rap as a fairly decent genre of music, though quality does vary at times. Unless you've heard every rap group, song and album ever, you cannot say rap sucks.

Rap/Hip-Hop in this day and age just doesn't cut it.

[Blaze of Glory]

And YOU'RE not sucking the cock of the "rappers"?

There are those who I,ll praise and there are those who I won't praise. I don't randomly support niggas who's shit I haven't heard.




Rap/Hip-Hop in this day and age just doesn't cut it.

I doubt you even know one bit about rappers. That or you hardl listen. Oh wait, I forgot you,ve never listened. Cuz you're ignorant that's why. Listen to some of the lyrics closely bitch.

[Dre]

At least Nas get's more praise than Jay-Z's punk-ass do. All the shit we hear from is the same old shit we see daily it ain't any way creative or amazing. His lyricism fails and his technique is overrated. At least Nas is skilled in both areas.

I like how you ignored the part about me saying Nazzz gets no burn on the radio/MTV/the average person's I-pod. Yeah he gets praised by hip-hop heads but that's where it stops. Jay appeals to every one- that's what makes him King. And Jay is Nas' boss.

[Blaze of Glory]

I like how you ignored the part about me saying Nazzz gets no burn on the radio/MTV/the average person's I-pod. Yeah he gets praised by hip-hop heads but that's where it stops. Jay appeals to every one- that's what makes him King. And Jay is Nas' boss.

Do you know why he don't? :awesome

It's cuz don't nobody about true Hip-Hop too busy listening to the shit-Hop and not Hip-Hop. That Soulja Boy shit and other stuff. Don't nobody know that gangsta shit like Nas. Jay a lame-ass nigga. His music and lyrics ain't shit.

[Undercovermc]

*sighs*

Another Jay dickrider. :(
*sighs* Another Jay hater.

Thinking that Jay-Z is the KoNY doesn't make you a dick-rider or a stan. You don't see me calling the people claiming that Nas is the KoNY, dick-riders.

Who are you and why are you talking to me? Play your position.
Cool it. That's my bro you're talking to.

Rap/Hip-Hop in this day and age just doesn't cut it.
More ignorance :sag. Stop posting in this thread please.

[King]

Ok. What some of you guys are not getting is what I am asking. Who is THE True King of New York right now?

Right now it is 50. Sorry to say but it just is. I mean 50 just came and he's already conquering the rap game. How can you tell me otherwise? Yes, jay is a great lyricist but his songs go with that part in time, not right now. That is thing. Nas is great too, I would know but he isn't exactly selling out places.

[rockst☆r sin]

Explain to me why you think 50 has NY in his clutches than Jay. Did you know Kanye had more sales in NY than 50? I know you don't think Kanye would of defeated Jay in NY sales right?

[Perverse]

Educate the man, Sin. :nod

Besides, sales alone does not make someone the King. At one stage, Nas was King of New York, if you will, and yet the number of records he sold pales in comparison to 50's SoundScan figures.

[little nin]

see we need more clarification for king status in this thread

lyrically and shit we got "nas"

money and business man wise we get "jay z"

and we get 50 around the mix for a strange reason

[rockst☆r sin]

Nas defeated Jay in their battle so that would make him the King but I can't call him that. How about we agree they are Co-Kings?

[Perverse]

Nas defeated Jay in their battle so that would make him the King but I can't call him that. How about we agree they are Co-Kings?

Totally agreed. I used Nas as an example because of the fact his sales numbers are lower than Jay's.

[Efraim Longstocking]

Someone needs to teach gangstas use internet so they can download 50 instead of buying the shit with the money they knicked at the local convenience store.

Seriously. I witnessed his major suckage live, and it was horrid. But I love how everyone near him seemed to be a thousand times smarter in comparision.

Oh, and he encouraged the audience to say "Fuck you fifty cent".

That was beautiful.

[rockst☆r sin]

^lol I would of gladly said that.

[little nin]

co-kings it is :pek

[Supa Swag]

There really is no clear cut king, and I'll be fucking damned if 50 is the king or anything close.

It's really between Jay-Z/Nas, with me leaning towards Jay.

[rockst☆r sin]

^I feel the same way.

Nice username Laz-E.

[Undercovermc]

Ok. What some of you guys are not getting is what I am asking. Who is THE True King of New York right now?

Right now it is 50. Sorry to say but it just is. I mean 50 just came and he's already conquering the rap game. How can you tell me otherwise? Yes, jay is a great lyricist but his songs go with that part in time, not right now. That is thing. Nas is great too, I would know but he isn't exactly selling out places.
So because we don't agree that 50 Cent is the KoNY, w'ree not understanding the question? Why is there a poll if you don't want us to disagree with you? :huh

Simply, 50 Cent isn't the KoNY.

[King]

Explain to me why you think 50 has NY in his clutches than Jay. Did you know Kanye had more sales in NY than 50? I know you don't think Kanye would of defeated Jay in NY sales right?

The ONLY reason why 50 lost was because of the fact that 50 said he would retire if he lost to Kanye and people wanted to see if that was true and this is the truth. Also, Kanye is one of the best out there, definitely in my top ten, but Kanye, to me, can't match up to 5, in terms of making great songs.

[delirium]

The ONLY reason why 50 lost was because of the fact that 50 said he would retire if he lost to Kanye and people wanted to see if that was true and this is the truth. Also, Kanye is one of the best out there, definitely in my top ten, but Kanye, to me, can't match up to 5, in terms of making great songs.

Sorry but he retracted that statement about a week after it hit the presses (which had to have been at the very least 2 weeks before the release. Everyone knew he wasn't retiring after he said he wasn't even if he did sell less. Plain and simple he's just not selling like that anymore. And he may be rich but he's not making as much as Diddy or Jay. Then you gotta take into account skills. Because no king is going to be whack on the mic. And just about everyone in that poll outshines him. Even Cam (especially his Children of the Corn days).

[King]

Rockster. I will guarantee you right now that when Before I Self Destruct comes out, which is coming out this March//April, it will sell over atleast 800,000.

[Undercovermc]

If he doesn't sell that much, then how about you put that post^ in your signature when the time comes.

Sales don't equate quality.

[Notorious_99]

Ill tell you one thing 50's Curtis album was crud. Major disappointment.

[rockst☆r sin]

^I'll agree to that. Funny how 50 naming his album Before I Self Destruct because the album before that was a bomb.

[Youngfyre]

I say Nas because his style is more different from the others

50 shouldn't be up their. He is not that good of a rapper. He know how to get is album out there in the street but thats it. its just my opinion

[Jetstorm]

Jay-Z and/or Nas. Jay-Z for the impact and influnece he continues to have. Nas for the message he sends and the overall lyrics.

50 Cent isn't even a contender. :pek

[shadow__nin]

I agree with the whole NAS/Jay-Z. They have come a long way and have influenced a lot upcoming artists. .50 cent just sells records.
I will always have respect for those 2. I am leaning towards Nas more.

[King]

50 cent represents New York like it was his own. Right now, he just slayed both Jay and Nas, they've both been dethroned and 50 has been crowned.

[libreg]

I cry that 50 cent, one of the worst rappers of all time, grew up in my city, my borough for that matter (queens). All he sings about is girls and money, a true poser. I don't listen to rap that much, but the TRUE king of new york is "a tribe called quest".


Or perhaps the beastie boys :hehee

[rockst☆r sin]

50 cent represents New York like it was his own. Right now, he just slayed both Jay and Nas, they've both been dethroned and 50 has been crowned.

I hate following trends, I help to create them but I have to :facepalm 50 slayed Jay and Nas?

[Undercovermc]

50 cent represents New York like it was his own. Right now, he just slayed both Jay and Nas, they've both been dethroned and 50 has been crowned.
Stop being a stan, we've gone through pages explaining why Nas = Jay-Z > 50 Cent and you're still making vague claims to support your side of the argument. I would like to know when 50 slayed Nas and Jay.

[King]

Stop being a stan, we've gone through pages explaining why Nas = Jay-Z > 50 Cent and you're still making vague claims to support your side of the argument. I would like to know when 50 slayed Nas and Jay.

Get Rich or Die Tryin, The Massacre, Curtis, G-Unit Mixtapes.

[Undercovermc]

Nas
Illmatic
It Was Written
I Am...
Stillmatic
The Lost Tapes
God's Son
Street's Disciple
Hip Hop Is Dead

and then we have...

Jay-Z
Reasonable Doubt
In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter
The Dynasty: Roc La Familia
The Blueprint
The Blueprint²: The Gift & the Curse
The Black Album

--

I honestly can't believe you tried to make it catalogue vs. catalogue because 50 Cent will get murdered. Some of those Jay-Z albums aren't even all that great but they're better than The Massacre, Curtis and G-Unit Mixtapes for sure.

[Hangatýr]

-sets up a lawn chair-

You know where this is headed, cuz.

[King]

Those cd's I named were recent. The most recent Jay had was Kingdom Come and Jay even admitted that it was a mistake to release that album and as for Nas, Hip-hop is Dead was not as good as his previous albums and I think he just tried too hard to make it like another Illmatic but failed in doing so.

[Undercovermc]

Street's Disciple
Hip Hop Is Dead
The Black Album
Kingdom Come

All recent, all miles better than 50 Cent's albums. Curtis is one of the worst albums to be released this year and he lost to Kanye in their sales battle, so if anyone failed, it's was 50 Cent.

[rockst☆r sin]

Ain't nobody dumpin on hove
You ain't in sanitation or sanitarium
What are you crazy Jay-z'll bury em
I'll get you drug out the club they have to carry em
Your head bug out I'll raid niggas scared of em
Worry I'm not Mike Jordan
of the mic recordin
Hovi baby you Kobe, maybe Tracy McGrady
Matter fact you Harold Miner, JR Rider
Washed up on marijuana
Even worse you a pervis ellis
You worthless fella
You ain't no athlete you Shawn Bradley
I ain't talkin to nobody in particular
My flow just vehicular homicide whem I'm kicken em
yes, anybody in my path
is a car crash waitin to happen
Nigga what?
I got my foot on the door
On the post of this rap game and I ain't lettin up
Yea whos the nicest life of lifeless mic devices
And I don't write this I just mic this
I will it to happen
One take hove im real in this rappin
My new name is just the facts
While the rest of yall just adjust the facts
put words together, just to match
I say what I feel y'all adjust to that
I do the opposite of y'all so I just attract
The realer audience usually unjustly black
Know my flow and the shit they go just match
Like the sound of my voice and a choice Just track
I just tackle the something the flack of the public
Nothin, I know real niggas happen to love it
If you don't like it or look in the mirror
Most likely you ain't livin so you dont get it
You ain't did it so you can envision it
The picture I'm paintin ain't vivid
The language im spittin is so foreign to ya
She was starvin a dude to ya
Growin up hard in a little apartment illude to ya
I'm just talkin to ya


I'm just talkin to ya KM.

[Rated R Superstar]

I cry that 50 cent, one of the worst rappers of all time, grew up in my city, my borough for that matter (queens). All he sings about is girls and money, a true poser. I don't listen to rap that much, but the TRUE king of new york is "a tribe called quest".


Or perhaps the beastie boys :hehee

After reading your post, for some reason, i get the feeling that you've never even listened to a 50 cent cd. A tribe called quest....king of ny? They were a group. How can you call the beastie boys, the king of ny. I dont like 50 cent just as much as the next man(not because i hate his music, but because he starts beef for no reason, and disses people for no reason), be even i can accept the fact that he is not one of the worst ever. You wanna know who the worst ever is....just take a look at who's number one on the billboard hip hop charts right now. Hint: YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!

[rockst☆r sin]

Soulja Boy is number 1 in the billboard charts? Tell me your lying.

[mystictrunks]

He's telling the TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTH.


King of NY is Jay-Z, followed by Nas. No one's fucking with Hov.

[KushyKage]

KrsOne or maybe Rakim...

[azuken]

Gorilla Biscuits.














Punk > Rap. :oh


AMEN BROTHER MAN.

This guy speaks the truth by the way.

[mystictrunks]

Can't Believe I Forgot. If we get groups the Wu takes this EASILY.

[King]

Ok, then, Let's start Number One Groups. Right now, it's G-unit.

Soulja Boy is the worst rapper I have ever heard in my life. Seriously, I listened to his whole album and it was terrible.

[mystictrunks]

G-Unit records keep flopping. I wouldn't really call them number one.

[Undercovermc]

G-Unit? Nope, there time has come and gone. 50 Cent is whack, Lloyd Banks was decent but fell of hard, Young Buck may be the best in the group but he's sub par and Tony Yayo is hot garbage.

There isn't really a group that I'd consider Kings of NY, but there's a lot that are better than G-Unit. For the south though, Outkast are definitely numero uno.

[Cax]

I seriously can't believe you're making these statements KM. 50 cent the king of new york?

If you're basically saying his beat, his sound, his lyrics and his way of doing shit in the rap game makes him the king of NY, you surely haven't listened to much else apart from mainstream. He flopps. His raps half the time make no fucking sense, and if they do, they're still fucking stupid. All he raps about is getting shot, bitches, money, being a powerful man (physically, yes, brains and power in other ways - hardly) and other useless shit. And he's the biggest fucking biter EVER. He straight out copied a few lines from method man in a diss he made, thats one of the things i found myself and proved myself.

"This is a true fact/
since when has it become cool to get shot and not shoot back?"
-Jadakiss, song called Checkmate, 50 cent diss.

Back to saying my opinion, i'd have to say Jadakiss for sure. I feel great/surprised he is up in the poll, i think he may be underrated in a way, but that guy is a lethal beast. I shouldn't even need to explain why he's so good.

And if it was groups, DEFO D-Block and Wu tang clan. Although if i could only pick one, it'd be Wu tang clan.

[King]

I seriously can't believe you're making these statements KM. 50 cent the king of new york?

If you're basically saying his beat, his sound, his lyrics and his way of doing shit in the rap game makes him the king of NY, you surely haven't listened to much else apart from mainstream. He flopps. His raps half the time make no fucking sense, and if they do, they're still fucking stupid. All he raps about is getting shot, bitches, money, being a powerful man (physically, yes, brains and power in other ways - hardly) and other useless shit. And he's the biggest fucking biter EVER. He straight out copied a few lines from method man in a diss he made, thats one of the things i found myself and proved myself.

"This is a true fact/
since when has it become cool to get shot and not shoot back?"
-Jadakiss, song called Checkmate, 50 cent diss.

Back to saying my opinion, i'd have to say Jadakiss for sure. I feel great/surprised he is up in the poll, i think he may be underrated in a way, but that guy is a lethal beast. I shouldn't even need to explain why he's so good.

And if it was groups, DEFO D-Block and Wu tang clan. Although if i could only pick one, it'd be Wu tang clan.


First. I listen to so much underground,mainstream,albums,mixtapes it's not even funny. Every single person on the poll, I have listened to fully. ESPECIALLY Jay and Nas since I downloaded both torrents with all their albums and also some other shit by them.

Second. I forget the guys name but when I found it I'll let you know. The main guy who was suspected to shoot 50 was killed two days later, I believe, by people who were known to be close to 50. And yes, Jadakiss is underrated and is a great lyricist, just not the best rapper because of the fact that there is more to being a rapper than just being a good lyricist.

[rockst☆r sin]

^First of all I'm from New York and use to play the streets heavy. That guy who shot 50 died two days later is BS. Second, I have a question for you. Who is a better rapper, Jada or 50? 50 or Wayne, Wayne or Nas, and Wayne or Jay?

[King]

^First of all I'm from New York and use to play the streets heavy. That guy who shot 50 died two days later is BS. Second, I have a question for you. Who is a better rapper, Jada or 50? 50 or Wayne, Wayne or Nas, and Wayne or Jay?

First of all, it's not BS.

Jada or 50?
Depends in what you mean.

50 or Wayne?
Depends what you mean.

Wayne or Nas?
Wayne

Wayne or Jay?
Wayne

[Cax]

First of all, it's not BS.

Jada or 50?
Depends in what you mean.

50 or Wayne?
Depends what you mean.

Wayne or Nas?
Wayne

Wayne or Jay?
Wayne

First of all, its not BS nor true, its nothing until any of us dish out some evidence of any sort.

And i know everyone has their own tastes in music, and opinions, but you're stating rappers which im sure atleast 7/10 of the MD regs do not like, not that i think you should care about that, but you're stating how people like 50 or wayne are better then other rappers, and shit like that, when you're not even saying why, when they have their fair share of being wack in our eyes around here.

Theres more shit on the bad side of the scale as far as i see for 50, Wayne, and rappers alike them.

And also, what do you have to say about 50 copying lyrics from people? I'd like an answer from you. And if you want, the lyrics i found he took myself, i'll link you to the song on youtube of 50 and then link you to the song where he took Methods lines.
Biting once makes you a biter forever.

[mystictrunks]

Jay has Wayne beat in every category. Lyrics, presence, swagger, etc.

[Cax]

I think that too. Not that it matters that much - but he's more loaded aswell.

[Zephos]

Nas or JayZ, though I'd go for Nas.

And for the love of god KM, make an arguement or just stop posting.
The only things youv'e brought up are sales (irrlevant) and that he's more recent (won't matter at all given time, or already for that matter).
Thats ALL youv'e said about 50.

By your own points your hated Souljah Boy is the king of all Hip Hop right now.

[King]

And also, what do you have to say about 50 copying lyrics from people? I'd like an answer from you. And if you want, the lyrics i found he took myself, i'll link you to the song on youtube of 50 and then link you to the song where he took Methods lines.

I want that link.


Jay has Wayne beat in every category. Lyrics, presence, swagger, etc.

That's you.


And for the love of god KM, make an arguement or just stop posting.
The only things youv'e brought up are sales (irrlevant) and that he's more recent (won't matter at all given time, or already for that matter).
Thats ALL youv'e said about 50.

Show me the post where I mainly talk about sales, I wanna see it.

[Zephos]

Show me the post where I mainly talk about sales, I wanna see it.

Show me any post where youv'e made any point based off something other than that and recentness.

[Cax]

See, KM, you still havent said any reasons yet why 50 is good, or why he's better then the other rappers mentioned, or anything like that.

And let me get those links.

[rockst☆r sin]

50 is good but G-Unit is his favorite. Wayne>all because that's his favorite. Your not going to get actual facts on why they are so I suggest you stop asking him.

[Zephos]

50 is good but G-Unit is his favorite. Wayne>all because that's his favorite. Your not going to get actual facts on why they are so I suggest you stop asking him.

If it gets him to stop posting the same post over and over than its worth it.
But if it dosen't...

[Cax]

50 Cent, Camron Diss: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KKUmX-eheVw

From 1:52 to 1:57 he says "And like fame, my style will live forever/ They'll thought i cross over, coz they dont know no better".

And now, Wu Tang Clan - Protect Ya Neck: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zuA5dDm0f34

from 1:21 or 1:22 'til around 1:26 Method man says "And like fame, my style will live forever/ Niggas crossin over, coz they dont know no better"

Now, i could be wrong, but as far as i can see, i'm not at all. Prove me wrong.

[King]

Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait. "Biting once makes you a biter forever." Do you know how many times Jay ha done that shit? You ever heard of Swagger Jagger? 50 Cent has bitten like a couple fucking times. Jay is like the king of biting.

[narutosimpson]

me i'm the king of the world

[Blood Dawn]

Wayne better than Nas AND Jay?

Don't suck that man.

[Cax]

Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait. "Biting once makes you a biter forever." Do you know how many times Jay ha done that shit? You ever heard of Swagger Jagger? 50 Cent has bitten like a couple fucking times. Jay is like the king of biting.

What the fuck? You still havent replied to anything i've said directly. Nor have you even stated any reasons that aren't just bias why 50 > jay or any other comparisants.

Stop avoiding everything. And yes, well that means Jays a biter. I dont really mind even if it's true Jays copied shit or copies shit, since i dont even listen to him much or been a big fan at all.

[Barry]

King of New York huh? I'm gonna have to go with Jay-z for the simple fact nobody isn't putting anything else out right now. BTW I thought 50's cd was trash execpt for 2 songs.

[Cax]

I see KM hasn't responded to me still.

[.ProFound.]

lol 50 cent.


I would say GhostFace....idk he just seems more like "the king of new york" then the other people named...acutally though i dont think he has ever even made any claims like that

[TobiasFunke]

Based on the couple of years I lived in NY I say it goes to Jay Z easily. If you lived or were in NY in the late 90's you should know what I'm talking about.

Yeah it's true, all the other rappers listed do/did get played on Hot97, and true you do here people in the street blasting them. But Jay Z held NY down with Mega hit after Mega hit every summer. Sometimes it felt like you couldn't go anywhere without hearing Jigga.

Considering he retired but still has a massive buzz and one of the most talked about albums coming this year he has to take it.

[Undercovermc]

TobiasFunke knows what he's talking about. I don't live in NY, but still.