Saiyans vs. Namekians

[Blix]

I am talking about abilities-wise. Who wins?

[Kameil]

Namekians:

. Grow their limbs back

. Created dragonballs

. Can awaken others true potential as in power

. Fusion

. Heightened sense of hearing

. Manipulate Souls

. Telekinesis and telepathy (standard thing o course)

[Emery]

Namekians:

. Grow their limbs back

. Created dragonballs

. Can awaken others true potential as in power

. Fusion

. Heightened sense of hearing

. Manipulate Souls

. Telekinesis and telepathy (standard thing o course)


And, sadly, the Super Saiyan transformation trumps all of those.

[Kameil]

^ Admittedly oh so true.....>_>

[Power16]

Yeah! was there some sort of super namek transformation?

[Amatsu]

Yeah the only good things Namekians have is regeneration and the ability to bring out their full potential. Saiyans have far many more powerups.

[Purgatory]

On the verge of death, saiya-jins are capable to increase their power by a dramatic amount.

[Shuntensatsu]

Oozaru, nuff said.

[Zephos]

Nail could have killed Vegeta and Nappa in seconds in the Saiyen saga.

Something to think about.

[The Cryokinetic]

Nail could have killed Vegeta and Nappa in seconds in the Saiyen saga.

Something to think about.

no, Vegeta kills ALL but kakarot.

[Zephos]

no, Vegeta kills ALL but kakarot.

Hi Cryo. smile-big

And I have no idea what your talking about here, but Nail's power level was way above Nappa and Vegeta's when they were on earth.
It was 42000.

[The Cryokinetic]

Hi Zep.
I'm talking about a tag team, Ever see how easily bald guys get pissed?

[Zephos]

Hi Zep.
I'm talking about a tag team, Ever see how easily bald guys get pissed?

I dont'


what...........

[Purgatory]

Hi Cryo. smile-big

And I have no idea what your talking about here, but Nail's power level was way above Nappa and Vegeta's when they were on earth.
It was 42000.

IT'S OVER 9000!

[Juubi]

Hmm...the Namekians would take this, but there would be billions of Saiyans--only needing one to complete the SSJ transformation and defeat all of the Nameks single-handedly.

[Zephos]

Hmm...the Namekians would take this, but there would be billions of Saiyans--only needing one to complete the SSJ transformation and defeat all of the Nameks single-handedly.

Which is really really rare.
Nail could probably solo the Saiyen race, unless they go Oozaru.
THAN they would be a big issue.

[Chocochip]

Can't Namekians fuse together as much as they want? One fusion made Piccolo be able to fight the final form for a bit and rape the 2nd last form of freiza, and another fusion make him strong enough to beat up first form Cell.

I think if infinite fusions are allowed, gradually they would reach to be stronger than a ssj3 saiyan or if you really want ,a fused ssj 3. I mean, that is far as a saiyan could get(well actually, I don't know for sure but most likely). Namekians can just fusing for ever and ever.

[Steven Pinhead]

Considering that Goku was the first Super Saijan in 10000 some years, I'd place them about equal

[Juubi]

Which is really really rare.
Nail could probably solo the Saiyen race, unless they go Oozaru.
THAN they would be a big issue.

Would the Namekians be able to use the Dragonballs to simply wish away the Saiyans?

[Zephos]

Would the Namekians be able to use the Dragonballs to simply wish away the Saiyans?

Um....no.
Wouldn't need to with Nail.
Vegeta was the strongest Saiyen, and he was only 23000 without Oozaru in the Saiyen saga.

[OniTasku]

Regenerative abilities of the Namekian race should be noted to be quite limited as well. The only two Nameks seen to show impressive regeneration were Piccolo and Nail. All other Nameks were fodder to Freiza's henchmen and mere ki blasts dealt with them effectively enough. Stamina also seemed to be a bit of an issue with them. Also, about fusion: Considering that we only saw Nails, Piccolo and Kami fuse, it should be considered that only the cream of the crop (so to say) of the Namekians would be able to do so (at least with positive results).

Saiyajins are built incredibly durable, and while not exactly the most sentient of beings in the Dragonball-verse, their power made up for it. The ability to transform during a full-moon and gain even more immense power (for the lower echelon of Saiyajin). They would also grow stronger after each battle encounter (that is, if they survived), giving them great potential for unlimited exponential growth. They didn't have much in terms of regenerative/healing abilities or intellectual aspects, but their pure combat prowess is what gives them a large advantage.


Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the only one to heal anyone else...Dende? And the only one to awaken latent power in others, Saichoro (Guru)?

[Juubi]

Um....no.
Wouldn't need to with Nail.
Vegeta was the strongest Saiyen, and he was only 23000 without Oozaru in the Saiyen saga.

Nail was an extraordinary exception, and was far above the level of the average Namek. I remember several Namekian fighters only having power levels of 3000. The Saiyans would actually be able to put up a reasonable fight, unless the Namekians could wish them away with the Dragonballs.

I don't see why they wouldn't be able, to--given the generally low power levels of the Saiyan race.

[Zephos]

3000 is about 3 Raditz's.
So yhea, not so fast at disregarding that.

[Juubi]

3000 is about 3 Raditz's.
So yhea, not so fast at disregarding that.

That's where the whole Oozaru question pops up again. That's the Saiyan ace in the hole, now that I think about it.

[killfox]

Just a quick note, the Namekians wouldnt be able to wish the Saiyans dead because they tried to wish Vegeta & Nappa away before they got to earth and the dragon said it couldnt.

(At least thats what i remember)

[I.P. Standing]

And, sadly, the Super Saiyan transformation trumps all of those.Which so few of them can actually take advantage of, it might as well not even be mentioned.

Most of what Ryuk listed were standard issue Namekian abilities.

[mystictrunks]

Average Namekian > Average Saiyan
Super Namek > Super Saiyan
SSJ2 and Above > Namekians


Nameks on a whole are better than saiyans.

[kannoos]

Actually, USSJ1 (or whatever you want to call it, the form Vegeta used against Cell that doesn't decrease speed) and FPSSJ >> Super Namek. Even without SSJ's, I think the oozarus would stomp in a fight, because of Vegeta's artificial moonlight thing.

[HyperKnuckles22]

saiyans are ovverated.

[Chainwave]

And Nameks can make a wish where every Namek's power level becomes 12983901238, or pretty much any other wish. That beat anything Sayans have.

[omgbbq]

goku training under 100x gravitiy solos the namekian race

[Aokiji]

namekians have more h4xx abilities, but most of them are unfit for fighting. nail was an exception.

[Rated R Superstar]

I would give it to the namekians, but the ssj transformation is made of too much win. So i gotta give it to the saiyans.

[Dragon (banned)]

namekians are also naturally wiser

[Commander Red]

I give it to the Saiyans, they can reproduce themselves with the Homo Sapiens (Humans) (though the blood will get diluted). While the Nameks cannot, That's also a Saiyan ability, perhaps we have understimated it's importance.

But on other ability wise, I'd give the Nameks. Being able to regenrate a limb is a blessing for everyone in this world, who lost a limb.

[Yupi]

In terms of overall ability, the Namek-jins win easily. With many being natural magic users, being able to create dragons and Dragon Balls, being able to materialise anything, being able to increase in size and power tenfold, being able to spit out warriors with virtually any power level, along with a whole bunch of other abilities...the Saiya-jins have nothing on that.

In terms of combat abilities, the Saiya-jin's win. Although DB/Z magic can create warriors like Buu, I don't see the Namek-jins being able to instantly make a Buu-like warrior on the battlefield. The Saiya-jins have more readily accessible abilities in combat.

[Zephos]

I give it to the Saiyans, they can reproduce themselves with the Homo Sapiens (Humans) (though the blood will get diluted). While the Nameks cannot, That's also a Saiyan ability, perhaps we have understimated it's importance.

Namekians don't need to have sex to reproduce (they're asexual) so even a lone Namekian can restart the entire race. Thats what happend with the Great Elder.
And as we saw with Piccolo Daimou they can magically power up thier offspring.

Fucking some other race to make hybrids isn't all that great next to Namekian reproduction. Again its an ability that only comes to play in certain/rare situations like SSj.

[Commander Red]

Namekians don't need to have sex to reproduce (they're asexual) so even a lone Namekian can restart the entire race. Thats what happend with the Great Elder.
And as we saw with Piccolo Daimou they can magically power up thier offspring.

Fucking some other race to make hybrids isn't all that great next to Namekian reproduction. Again its an ability that only comes to play in certain/rare situations like SSj.

That's true, but you're forgetting one important aspect concerning the hybrids. Research! :thumbs (The real scientific-research, not how Jiraya interpretates it.)

[Zephos]

That's true, but you're forgetting one important aspect concerning the hybrids. Research! :thumbs (The real scientific-research, not how Jiraya interpretates it.)

And that would be what?

[Gaelek_13]

Namekians:

+ Regeneration as long as their head isn't damaged (according to Piccolo)
+ Fusion with others that's less limited
+ Heightened sense of hearing
+ Telekinesis and telepathy

Rare Stuff:

+ Creation of Dragonballs (Kami & Guru)
+ Unlock Potential (Guru)
+ Healing Gifts (Dende)

Saiyans

+ Very tough physical body
+ Oozaru Transformation (grants better hearing as well as 10x more power)
+ Generally have a power level better than your average Namek
+ Power increases after a near-death encounter

Rare Stuff:

+ Super Saiyan Forms


I'm saying that the Nameks are more gifted, but the Saiyans are the stronger race.

[Havoc]

Generally have a power level better than your average Namek

We saw 4 saiyans in the series, how do you figure they have a better powerlevel?

[strongarm85]

Yeah, of course if he where Oozaru he would be strong enough take Nail since the transformations make Saiyen's 10 times stronger then they where before.

[Havoc]

Except Nail was stronger than Vegeta while he was Oozaru on Earth.

And at that time he was the strongest saiyan.

[TWF]

- Oozaru Transformation (multiplies a Saiyajin's power ten fold)

- Zenkai (Saiyajins power leaps far beyond previously from a grievous wound)

- Super Saiyajin (the power gain is beyond that of Oozaru)

And since when were Namekians telekenetic?

[Xell]

I think we're forgetting

"YOUR FATHER WASN'T MUCH OF A FIGHTER KAKAROTT.. BUT HE WAS A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST"

:LOS

Saiyajins can simulate moonlight.

[TWF]

That was never in the manga or the anime, just a Funimation creation.

[Gaelek_13]

We saw 4 saiyans in the series, how do you figure they have a better powerlevel?

We saw 4 Saiyans in the series and they came from a warrior race that conquored other planets and could send their own babies in to space to fight.... We saw the entire Namekian people with a handful of guys with "The fighting power of a boy scout troupe" as Frieza put it and Nail - who was an exception to the rule.

Most of the Nameks were being killed by random fodder Frieza Force.

[Zephos]

We saw 4 Saiyans in the series and they came from a warrior race that conquored other planets and could send their own babies in to space to fight.... We saw the entire Namekian people with a handful of guys with "The fighting power of a boy scout troupe" as Frieza put it and Nail - who was an exception to the rule.

Most of the Nameks were being killed by random fodder Frieza Force.

The average Namekian warrior was about 3 times as powerful as Raditz.

Nail was so much of an exception that he single handedly outclassed every Saiyen with ease.

[mystictrunks]

Average Saiyan was Radditz level as everyone else was an elite or Goku.

[TWF]

The average high level fodder Namekian was killed by either Freeza, Dodoria, Zarbon or the Ginyu Force. All other soldiers in Freeza ranks were getting decimated by them.

[Havoc]

This makes me wanna watch dbz again.

[Zephos]

I really wish Vegeta had actually tried attacking The Great Elder right before the Ginyu Force came.
He was so cocky at that point, but Nail would have wtfpwned him.

[TWF]

Was Zarbon more powerful then Guldo?

[Zephos]

Was Zarbon more powerful then Guldo?

Probably, even Kuririn wasn't impressed by him by that point.

[Supa Swag]

Zarbon was much more powerful than Guldo (Guldo had around 10,000 while Zarbon was about 28,000 pre transformation).


As for the topic, it's hard to say which race is overall stronger considering how we haven't seen that many Saiyans in canon.

[Xell]

Was Zarbon more powerful then Guldo?

Guldo was pathetic. Zarbon was way more powerful.

[TWF]

Bardock's crew of third-class warriors were getting stronger then Freeza's Elites. And I think he was stronger then King Vegeta by the time of his death.

[Zephos]

Bardock's crew of third-class warriors were getting stronger then Freeza's Elites. And I think he was stronger then King Vegeta by the time of his death.

Vegeta was stronger than King Vegeta at a young age.

[TWF]

I doubt Prince Vegeta as a child could beat Bardock though.

[Chocochip]

I think Zarbon only had 18000 pre transform.

[superbatman86]

I think Zarbon only had 18000 pre transform.Naw because that's where Vegeta was and Freeza said that both Zarbon and Dodoria were stronger.

[superbatman86]

Except Nail was stronger than Vegeta while he was Oozaru on Earth.

And at that time he was the strongest saiyan.No he wasn't.Oozaru Vegeta on earth was as strong as Goku when he got to Namek-180,000.

[TWF]

If Zarbon was at 18,000, he'd be weaker then Pre-Earth Vegeta and Kui. Vegeta after healing was at base 23,000, Kui was at 21,000. Zarbon I think when he trasnformed was around 45,000.

[Chocochip]

180,000 is wayyy too much.

[Havoc]

No he wasn't.Oozaru Vegeta on earth was as strong as Goku when he got to Namek-180,000.

What are you talking about?

No he wasn't.

[kannoos]

Base Vegeta on earth was 18,000. Oozaru increases your power level 10 times. Therefore Oozaru Vegeta was 180,000

[Zephos]

Base Vegeta on earth was 18,000. Oozaru increases your power level 10 times. Therefore Oozaru Vegeta was 180,000

When was it ever said Oozaru multiplies power ten times?

[Crimson Scorpio]

Barring Super Saiyans and Super Namekians, Nail solos. Vegeta at 18,000 was considered to be legendary among regular Saiyans. An "elite" like Nappa, who was around Goku's power level, would be somewhere around 9000(8000). Nail trumps them all with 42,000 PL speed blitzes assuming Vegeta isn't able to form the artificial moon. Without Nail though, the Namekians would be heading towards a world of shit as most of them aren't even fighters.

[Seany]

Namekians have alot more abilities. Far more impressive too. They win.

When was it ever said Oozaru multiplies power ten times?

Vegeta said it to Goku

[vagnard]

Saiyajin.

Zenkai power >>> all.

One of the most broken abilities ever.

[Zephos]

Saiyajin.

Zenkai power >>> all.

One of the most broken abilities ever.

Zenkai requires alot of plot no jutsu to work properly.

Vegeta said it to Goku

When? I checked the scene where Vegeta transforms and he said nothing about that.

[TWF]

Probably dubbed filler dialogue like when Vegeta said that Goku's father was a scientist.

[mystictrunks]

When was it ever said Oozaru multiplies power ten times?

It's either a commonly accepted rumor or fact. I believe one of the Daizenshu(or however you spell it) has Goku listed as 10 at the start of dragon ball, and his giant form as 100.

[Chocochip]

Namekians shown to be able to fuse as much as they want to, which means they actually can be stronger with enough fusions.

[TWF]

Super Piccolo (Nail/Kami) was stronger then the Androids just to be a plot device to show off how much stronger Cell, 16 and what Goku/Vegeta/Trunks/Gohan would be over him.

Piccolo always gets nurfered in part 2.