Simon vs. Lord Genome

[erictheking]

I just started watching this series a few days ago, and I'm caught up today. But I have to say, Simon beating the Helix King was the biggest Plot No Jutsu I've seen so far in anime. Not only was the power difference between them large, but the size of Lord Genome's drill was at least fifty times the size of Simon's when they had their showdown. (No homo)

How could they justify Simon's drill winning?

Still, in a matter of days it's become my favorite/2nd favorite anime.

[Kaki]

He had more power. oh, and he drilled out Genome's body.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

It wasn't a plot drill at all.

Spiral power is dependent on the fighting spirit and will to survive of the spiral being that wields it. Lord Genome put up a good fight during his thousand years, but when the Anti-Spirals defeated him and imprisoned the Spirals, he lost his will to fight.
Simon, having an enormous will to fight, could own Genome's hueg drill with Lagann because he had that much more spiral energy.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

If you call that Plot no Jutsu what the hell is Naruto made of?
Would you get off Naruto's balls? :iria

[L O V E L E S S]

Logic doesn't even apply for this series, most of the time. I also think this series has more 'plot-no-jutsu' (GAR-no-jutsu? :arg) than Naruto, but on this series it's actually tastefully done, so it's okay. XD

Anyway, no. Simon wouldn't have lost eitherway, as Blue just said.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

Some parts were actually silly, like Simon happening to find Lagann 2 minutes before a ganmen came crashing down, and every time Kamina took on a ganmen with a katana and survived.

But the Lord Genome thing was actually well thought-out. Lord Genome told Viral that he had no chance against a being wielding spiral power. Viral lost from the start. In the same way, Lord Genome, who had given up a thousand years ago, had also lost from the start.
Remember the quote from Genome?
"There was another person who fought like you, long ago, without knowing this power can bring about doom."

Most people at the time thought he was talking about Kamina's dad or something. He was talking about himself.

[slapdoll]

Logic doesn't even apply for this series, most of the time. I also think this series has more 'plot-no-jutsu' (GAR-no-jutsu? :arg) than Naruto, but on this series it's actually tastefully done, so it's okay. XD

Anyway, no. Simon wouldn't have lost eitherway, as Blue just said.


thats true..
i mean, c'mon..
"fighting spirit" as an energy source?
that pretty much explains everything..
:D

[erictheking]

Logic doesn't even apply for this series, most of the time. I also think this series has more 'plot-no-jutsu' (GAR-no-jutsu? :arg) than Naruto, but on this series it's actually tastefully done, so it's okay. XD

Anyway, no. Simon wouldn't have lost eitherway, as Blue just said.

It's true, the series isn't logical. I've categorized it as a fantasy anime in my mind because of the insane amounts of PNJ.

@ Blue : Even in this series, it can't seriously be the case that 'fighting spirit' alone = power. There's raw strength as a factor as well, which Lord Genome possessed gigantic quantities of, I mean punching Gurren Lagann down with your fists? Kid Simon had nothing like that in strength. The only way to justify Simon winning, is that Lord Genome let him win. Which I didn't actually think about, but it's the only thing that can make sense of it.

[Denizen]

I just started watching this series a few days ago, and I'm caught up today. But I have to say, Simon beating the Helix King was the biggest Plot No Jutsu I've seen so far in anime. Not only was the power difference between them large, but the size of Lord Genome's drill was at least fifty times the size of Simon's when they had their showdown. (No homo)

How could they justify Simon's drill winning?

Still, in a matter of days it's become my favorite/2nd favorite anime.

But I have to say, Simon beating the Helix King was the biggest Plot No Jutsu I've seen so far in anime.

was the biggest Plot No Jutsu I've seen

Plot No Jutsu

Please, god no. I was hoping this wouldn't happen.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

Nia could punch out an Anti-Spiral dreadnaught with her fist and it wouldn't be as bad as what Sasuke did to Deidara. I have to agree with Goku there.
The only way to justify Simon winning, is that Lord Genome let him win.Actually I'm pretty sure he was about to punch Simon into paste, but whatever floats your boat.

[Pintsize]

Who was lost an entire arm first? :iria

If Simon didn't have Rossiu tagging along to worry about, he could have owned Genome right there.

Also, Blue, toward the beginning of the series, and during episode nine, Simon certainly didn't have as much fighting spirit as Kittan or Kamina, but he still had the spiral power.

[Paul the SK]

I thought the fact the Genome was killed with the core drill was kinda funny, but it was awsome.

[fireofthewill]

If Lord Genome was intent on winning, he had fighting spirit + insane, tremendous strength. So Simon's fighting spirit trumped the both of these combined?

It was PNJ, period.

Wow, just wow, you've definitely missed the main theme of this show. Fighting spirit (aka spiral power) trumps everthing...period. Fighting spirit has fused battleships, ripped holes in the universe, and even turned Boota into a human. It is the power that can potentially turn each human/other spiral being into a God, therefore destroying the universe and is what the anti-spiral leader has tried to suppress through his absolute despair campaign.

Fighting spirit basically dominates everything. Plus, Genome was running on fighting spirit if you didn't notice. Thats how he lived so long, he redesigned his body with a spiral core in the middle that allowed him to live forever (and give him superhuman strength, which also originated from his spiral power) by running on his fighting spirit. Simon's fighting spirit trumped Genome's, therefore by plunging his spiral into Genome's center, he could break Genome's engine and achieve victory. Even Genome mentions that Simon's spiral power was higher than this and he remarks later that Simon is the only spiral power source large enough to save them in certain situations.

If you're going to dismiss this, then you might as well dismiss everything in TTGL because everything revolves around spiral power/fighting spirit (which you can do, but you'd miss the whole point of the series).

[TenshiOni]

Cut the Naruto bullshit, people.

Especially you, Goku. Unless you want to get section banned. There was no reason to go off topic at all.

[Birkin]

Cut the Naruto bullshit, people.

Especially you, Goku. Unless you want to get section banned. There was no reason to go off topic at all.

Something tells me I should give you a "Who the hell do you think I am?!" sentence. It's oddly fitting :pek

Yeah, I'll stop.

[Muk]

i am not going to get started on how much you are missing the point of TTGL or even simon's character

he's power is unmatched by anyone and the core drill is his purest form of that spiral power

and like blue and other have stated already this is TTGL & Gainax, logic doesn't apply ever!

watched gunbuster yet? diebuster? it's all about fighting spirit, who ever has the greater one wins. doesn't matter the initial strength

if you have no fighting spirit you lose

[Akatsuki99]

If you let logic get in the way, youre gonna hate Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. If not, you will love it.

[Denizen]

Logic + Gurren-Lagann = DOES NOT COMPUTE

[erictheking]

I didn't realize how accepted it is that this show is illogical in this manner. Despite that, my main gripe wasn't even with the "fighting spirit = power" aspect, as so many of you are thinking, it was Simon's fight with Lord Genome.

When their drills collided, it was just silly to show Genome's as so massive compared to Simon's if the plot was to make Simon win; or as you guys are saying, if Simon's fighting spirit exceeded even the Spiral King's. I should really screen-cap that bit, to show how weird and ridiculous it looked to see Simon's puny drill beat Genome's.

[Muk]

you are talking about the lagaan vs lazengan scene are you?

well it is still fighting spirit vs failed fighting spirit

and size doesn't matter in ttgl, well usually doesn't matter

proven to you in that very fight

[TenshiOni]

So you're problem with is it that it just looked silly?

My friend, this series is all about turning the silly + cheesy into the awesome. If you can't get passed the cheese, you're not going to enjoy the sandwich.

[Die KWGOD Die]

PNJ in MY Gurren Lagann?

Reason.Curb.Kick.etc

[blazingshadow]

well he does have a point in saying that a big drill can't be overpowered by a small one since the last few episodes proved that simon needed a bigger drill to defeat his latest enemies. one could say is that rasengan was less efficient in converting spiral power into attack power than lagann. lord genome said that it let him down in the end which is why he crawled out and started to beat the shit out of lagann with his fists

[Jetstorm]

I feel that you are really underestimating the strength of fighting spirit here. It is basically the main source of power in this universe and anything is possible through it.

Simon had more fighting spirit when he fought Genome so he was the victor.

[Niko Bellic]

Plot-no-jutsu?

Didn't Simon had the most Spiral power?

[slapdoll]

punching Gurren Lagann down with your fists?

just Lagann sir..
but anyway.. it was believable enough for me..
and... why isnt anyone questioning the fact that his freakin HEAD is on fire??
maybe that's plot no jutsu.. hmm..

lets just move on. enjoy the GAR... :nod:nod