Bane vs Yoda

[TWF]

Who is more powerful? Who would win in a pure duelist match? Or a contest of wills in the Force?

[Estrecca]

Who is more powerful? Who would win in a pure duelist match? Or a contest of wills in the Force?

There are statements that leave no doubt about this: Darth Sidious was the strongest Sith in the entire history of Bane's Order (although I don't remember if this is prior to his massive Dark Empire power-up). Considering that Yoda more or less stalemated Palpatine, he should have at least an even chance against Bane.

To be sincere, it doesn't appear that the Ruusan period Sith and Jedi are particularly awesome (the thought bomb was a completely suicidal maneuver based in ancient Sith lore and the Force powered thunderstorm that devastated the forests of Ruusan required the entire Brotherhood of Darkness to work "as one").

[TWF]

Bane has Force Wave. Novice Sith Lord Bane survived an encounter with the most accomplished swordsmen in either the Sith or the Jedi, Kas'im of that era. Yoda lost the fight to Sidious before the battle even began.

[Crimson Dragoon]

There are statements that leave no doubt about this: Darth Sidious was the strongest Sith in the entire history of Bane's Order (although I don't remember if this is prior to his massive Dark Empire power-up). Considering that Yoda more or less stalemated Palpatine, he should have at least an even chance against Bane.

To be sincere, it doesn't appear that the Ruusan period Sith and Jedi are particularly awesome (the thought bomb was a completely suicidal maneuver based in ancient Sith lore and the Force powered thunderstorm that devastated the forests of Ruusan required the entire Brotherhood of Darkness to work "as one").

I pretty much agree with this post. The only notable Force-using combatants during the Ruusan period were Bane and Kas'im.

[Estrecca]

Bane has Force Wave. People survived an encounter with the most accomplished swordsmen in either the Sith or the Jedi, Kas'im. Yoda lost the fight to Sidious before the battle even began.

Movie > Novel. In the movie we have Sidious being surprised by Yoda's survival of his Force lightning, being knocked on his ass by the Green Goblin counter-attack, trying to run away from the fight and absolutely failing to kill Yoda. That duel was a coin toss deal and Yoda simply got unlucky.

And just FYI, Yoda also has Force Wave, at least according to the Clone Wars cartoon. So does Mace Windu, for that matter.

[TWF]

Movie > Novel. In the movie we have Sidious being surprised by Yoda's survival of his Force lightning, being knocked on his ass by the Green Goblin counter-attack, trying to run away from the fight and absolutely failing to kill Yoda. That duel was a coin toss deal and Yoda simply got unlucky.

The book was proof read and checked over by GL himself. Sidious was clearly feigning ignorance to Yoda in the film at his arrival in his private chambers.

The novel doesn't contradict the film.

And just FYI, Yoda also has Force Wave, at least according to the Clone Wars cartoon. So does Mace Windu, for that matter.

I have both the CW Volumes and I have only seen telekensis from and Force Push. What Chapter and which Volume?

[Crimson Dragoon]

They're all applications of telekinesis. It's very, very reasonable that Yoda has mastered TK powers. 800 years of experience, remember?

[TWF]

I want the chapter and volume.

[Estrecca]

The book was proof read and checked over by GL himself. Sidious was clearly feigning ignorance to Yoda in the film at his arrival in his private chambers.

I suppose that you shall now provide a link proving your assertion.

The novel doesn't contradict the film.

Yes, yes. It very much does.

In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness.

Then there were only the two of them.

Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.

A thousand years of hidden Sith exulted in their victory.

"Your time is over! The Sith rule the galaxy! Now and forever!"

And it was the whole of the Jedi Order that rocketed from its huddle, making of its own body a weapon to blast the Sith to the ground.

"At an end your rule is, and not short enough it was, I must say."

There appeared a blade the color of life.

From the shadow of a black wing, a small weapon-a holdout, an easily concealed backup, a tiny bit of treachery expressing the core of Sith mastery-slid into a withered hand and spat a flame-colored blade of its own.

When those blades met, it was more than Yoda against Palpatine, more the millennia of Sith against the legions of Jedi; this was the expression of the fundamental conflict of the universe itself.

Light against dark.

Winner take all.

Let me see what we have here. Nothing about Yoda being knocked by Sith lightning. Yoda launching himself against Palpatine instead of using telekinesis. Nothing about Palpatine running away. So much for no contradictions. And it gets better.

The end came with astonishing suddenness.

The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength. The shadow released its power for an instant, long enough only to whirl away through the air and alight upon one of the delegation pods as it flew past, and the creature leapt to follow-Half a second too slow.

The shadow unleashed its lightning while the creature was still in the air, and the little green freak took its full power. The shock blasted him backward to crash against the podium, and he fell.

He fell a long way.

The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he leaned on the pod's rail.

In the movie we have Palpatine getting blasted by the collapse of Yoda's absorbed lightning, here we have Palpatine endgame attack blasting Yoda in mid-air (something that doesn't happen in the film) and in the final paragraph we find that even for novel Palpatine this was a costly, exhausting victory.

I have both the CW Volumes and I have only seen telekensis from and Force Push. What Chapter and which Volume?

Wookiepedia identifies as Force Wave the telekinetic trick that Windu uses against the droids sorrounding him in Dantooine. "Chapter 13" Season 2/Volume I.

[Estrecca]

Went looking for Bane's usage of Force Wave in Path of Destruction:

Kas'im responded by using the Force to knock Bane backward, sending him tumbling down the great stone staircase, away from the Blademaster. The fall would have broken his neck-or at least fractured an arm or a leg-if Bane hadn't cocooned himself in the Force. Even so he reached the bottom bruised, battered, and momentarily stunned.

On the landing high above Kas'im stood beneath the massive arch of the Temple entrance, staring down at him.

"I will follow you wherever you run," he said. "Wherever you go I will eventually find you and kill you. Don't live your life in fear, Bane. Better to end it now."

"I agree," Bane replied, hurling out the wave of Force energy he had been gathering during the Blademaster's speech.

There was nothing subtle about Bane's attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.

Unfortunately, he couldn't shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas'im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi'lek's dying screams with a deafening rumble.

Bane watched the spectacle of the Temple's implosion from the safety of the ground at the foot of the stairs. Billowing clouds of dust rolled out from the wreckage and down the stairs toward him. Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder.

Impressive, but not dramatically more powerful than the Clone Wars feats of the PT Jedi. The fact that Kas'im (who dies being crushed by tons of rocks) might have poorer durability than Yoda (who survives without severe injury a fall from around a hundred meters in the novel).