Avatar Roku vs The Rookie 9(Timeskip Naruto)

[Giovanni Rild]

Both parties start one mile away from each other. Roku is bloodlusted. Who wins?

[Gunshin]

Both parties start one mile away from each other. Roku is bloodlusted. Who wins?

Having them start one mile away from Roku is very unfair considering that his attacks have shown huge aoa. under those conditions, Avatar Roku would win easily. However, if you allow them to be within a couple yards or meters, the rookie 9 would blitz him.

[vagnard]

Timeskip they would be able to survive easily. Most of them can disperse and move faster than Roku can target them. Guys like Naruto and Sasuke have survived punches capable to take down massive snakes of several tons and meters of long.

Nothing short of droping a fucking giant boulder with perfect aim would hurt them.

[Red]

Nothing short of droping a fucking giant boulder with perfect aim would hurt them.

Naruto character move fast right what do you do? turn the ground into quick sand. after that then what? Boil said quick sand. After what do you do? encase them in hot boiling quick sand. If by chance they're still alive under there what do you do? Force them a couple more miles under then de-aerate the soil with airbending.

Seriously this isn't aang who is a noob this is avatar iroku.

[Steven Pinhead]

If he's Bloodlusted, Avatar Roku would then most likely go into Avatar state right off the bat.

And we're talking about the level of power that fully trained Avatars achieve where they can seperate Islands from continents and control category five hurricanes.

Bye bye Rookie Nine. I will not accept speed blitzing when massive geographical changes occur when their opponent gets pissed.

[vagnard]

Naruto character move fast right what do you do? turn the ground into quick sand. after that then what? Boil said quick sand. After what do you do? encase them in hot boiling quick sand. If by chance they're still alive under there what do you do? Force them a couple more miles under then de-aerate the soil with airbending.

Seriously this isn't aang who is a noob this is avatar iroku.

From what I remember Roku never turned ground into sand or encase people into hot boiling sand.

What I remember is his using fire against a fire monks doing practically nothing to them and then using a little lava practically inside of a volcan.

How does that help him exactly in a fight in a open place?. Not all encarnations controlled their powers as well as Kyoshi.

When Roku was younger, he spent five months in recession to the Fire Temple trying to master the Avatar State under the guidance of Fire Sage Shyu's grandfather, Fire Sage Kaja. After growing impatient with the failed meditation attempts, he tried using the winter solstice sun to push him into the Avatar State easily. It worked, but he was unable to control his powers and ended up destroying the upper half of the Fire Temple before Kaja managed to free him from the Avatar State.

At best the avatar state made him to destroy the upper half of a temple. KN4 with chakra bullet rapes that feat and Roku at the same time.

Sasuke summon Manda....goes underground and re-appears eating Roku in the process.

[Giovanni Rild]

From what I remember Roku never turned ground into sand or encase people into hot boiling sand.

What I remember is his using fire against a fire monks doing practically nothing to them and then using a little lava practically inside of a volcan.

How does that help him exactly in a fight in a open place?. Not all encarnations controlled their powers as well as Kyoshi.

When Roku was younger, he spent five months in recession to the Fire Temple trying to master the Avatar State under the guidance of Fire Sage Shyu's grandfather, Fire Sage Kaja. After growing impatient with the failed meditation attempts, he tried using the winter solstice sun to push him into the Avatar State easily. It worked, but he was unable to control his powers and ended up destroying the upper half of the Fire Temple before Kaja managed to free him from the Avatar State.

At best the avatar state made him to destroy the upper half of a temple. KN4 with chakra bullet rapes that feat and Roku at the same time.

Sasuke summon Manda....goes underground and re-appears eating Roku in the process.

Roku has the knowledge of all avatars before him when he has AS. So sand bending is no biggie.

[Suzumebachi]

But when has a bender ever made sand?

[Graham Aker]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/930/roku1wp4.jpg
that little dot right there in the middle, thats Roku.

he can also fly by creating a small cyclone holding him up on the waist, and could do all the Avatar State feats Aang has showed duh. and the distance is to his advantage, so imo, he takes this.

[Giovanni Rild]

But when has a bender ever made sand?

Bumi created sand, and he's a earthbender.

[Suzumebachi]

Bumi is dead.

[Giovanni Rild]

Bumi is dead.

No he isn't

[Suzumebachi]

Then who was that who died?

[Giovanni Rild]

Then who was that who died?

What the hell are you talking about?

[Suzumebachi]

Right, it was Bumi.

[Iris]

I don't remember sand creating, I do remember sand binding though.

As for the match, Roku has shown us not enough to judge the outcome of the battle, therefor he loses by default.

[Giovanni Rild]

I don't remember sand creating, I do remember sand binding though.

As for the match, Roku has shown us not enough to judge the outcome of the battle, therefor he loses by default.

He has the feats of all other avatars before him.

[uncanny_sama]

id say some kawarimi no jutsus

some bugs

doton jutsu

kunais

9 ninjas

excessive use of kage bunshins



roku is dead

[Pimp of Pimps]

I'm actually gonna go with Roku on this one.

I've never seen him go into the avatar state, so I won't take that into account. But when ever we've seen a show of power from a full grown avatar, it been things like creating new islands. A regular bender wouldn't win against the rookie 9, but a full grown avatar is in a whole other league from a regular bender.

If they were close enough to actually punch him before he started bending, then would win. But they aren't.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I could write a long post about why Roku loses, but I really don't feel like it. If Gai with Gates is any indication of Post Lee with Gates, Lee solo's.

[Banhammer]

they all get flung to space by an f5 hurricane
Or roku could just bring the wind kaiten while flying and send a mega tsunami, or sand tsunami to rain apocalipse down on them
Not to mention he can just whipe up a firestorm mile wide while causing volcano eruptions
No, people, rookie nine cannot beat the whole sipirt of Earth incarnate

[Red]

From what I remember Roku never turned ground into sand or encase people into hot boiling sand.Yes because he was never shown blood lusted has he right?

What I remember is his using fire against a fire monks doing practically nothing to them and then using a little lava practically inside of a volcan. Yeah his monks that where helping his incarnate. Don't forget the entire situation

How does that help him exactly in a fight in a open place?. Not all encarnations controlled their powers as well as Kyoshi. Avatar state gives you all the experience of all the avatars, thats hundreds of years experience right there.

When Roku was younger, he spent five months in recession to the Fire Temple trying to master the Avatar State under the guidance of Fire Sage Shyu's grandfather, Fire Sage Kaja. After growing impatient with the failed meditation attempts, he tried using the winter solstice sun to push him into the Avatar State easily. It worked, but he was unable to control his powers and ended up destroying the upper half of the Fire Temple before Kaja managed to free him from the Avatar State. OPerative word here when he was younger now he's in his prime with ample experience.

At best the avatar state made him to destroy the upper half of a temple. KN4 with chakra bullet rapes that feat and Roku at the same time. Wait wut? at best? you're using the younger incarnation of roku and you are saying at best? Naruto would easily be killed before he even begins to contemplate going kyubi 4. Kill the host and kyubi dies.

Sasuke summon Manda....goes underground and re-appears eating Roku in the process.

Manda is dead.

Bumi could make sand, a random earth general could make sand and you want to argue that the avatar can't? increasing the temperature through fire bending isn't a stretch.

[vagnard]

Roku has the knowledge of all avatars before him when he has AS. So sand bending is no biggie.

Did Roku (or any other avatar) ever created hot sand to encase his opponents with it or transform the battlefield into sand?.

[Red]

Did Roku (or any other avatar) ever created hot sand to encase his opponents with it or transform the battlefield into sand?.

You must not get what "Blood lusted" means. weaker people than the avatar have done it and by extension the avatar can do it to larger degree, by another extension the avatar in his avatar state while blood lusted can do it.

Hell even katara has been shown encasing parts of azula in water, zuko did the same except with his own hands. Aang encased himself with crystals during the ending of season two, he also encased his hand with stones. The question you should be asking is not whether roku can encase anybody at all.

By the way it's me that made the claim not Rild.

[vagnard]

Yes because he was never shown blood lusted has he right?

So...according to you I must assume people have certain powers when they never showed it?.

Yes. Then I say Sasuke can create a super chidori sword of 3 km of longitude. Canon doesn't matter at all according to you.

Yeah his monks that where helping his incarnate. Don't forget the entire situation
Avatar state gives you all the experience of all the avatars, thats hundreds of years experience right there.
OPerative word here when he was younger now he's in his prime with ample experience.

If wasn't showed then it didn't happened. So just because you have the knowledge of all previous avatars I should assume they can do everything with elements?. Why then Aang just bend the comet coming to Earth then?. I mean...he has the knowledge of all previous avatars.....

the answer is simple: he can't. Stop adding powers that have been never showed just because we must presume some avatar have it.

Wait wut? at best? you're using the younger incarnation of roku and you are saying at best? Naruto would easily be killed before he even begins to contemplate going kyubi 4. Kill the host and kyubi dies.

Going from zero tails to 3 tails practically doesn't take time at all to Naruto. Just look the fight on the bridge. And here Roku is fighting against 9 opponents at the same time.


Manda is dead.

OP said Timeskip Naruto....he never said "when" during the timeskip.

Anyway....Sasuke showed capable to summon mid size snakes....(like the one he summoned at the beginning of his fight against Deidara)....So he still could do exactly the same...it's not like it would make a difference against "mr.human-reflexes-Roku".

Bumi could make sand, a random earth general could make sand and you want to argue that the avatar can't? increasing the temperature through fire bending isn't a stretch.

I didn't know Aang was better water bender than Katara or better Earth Bender than Toph. Or that Avatars had all the techniques of any bender in the world.

If he never showed it then he doesn't have it. That's how OB works.

[Limit_Tester]

Roku gets speedblitzed.

[Giovanni Rild]

Roku gets speedblitzed.

This is the reason I made this thread. Lame posts like this

[Banhammer]

Built it, and -flameb8- will came

tencharlimit!!!!:yell

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I don't have much time because I'm starting class soon, so I'll make this quick: speedblitz is far from being a lame reason. Roku has at best peak human speed perception. As a result he can't seen the ninja movement speed, and has no chance of seeing Lee. Moreover, Lee with gates has enough speed/strength to push through any attack indirectly, and perhaps even directly. So yeah, there is nothing to discuss and no reason to even bring up the other 8 chars, since Post-timeskip Lee with Gates unquestionably solo's.

[vagnard]

This is the reason I made this thread. Lame posts like this


Isn't the fact that you put rookie 9 a mile away from Roku you are admitting that Naruto's characters speedblitz Avatarverse characters by far?.

What's next?. Roku with Superman's powers vs Rookie 9? smile-big

[Giovanni Rild]

I don't have much time because I'm starting class soon, so I'll make this quick: speedblitz is far from being a lame reason. Roku has at best peak human speed perception. As a result he can't seen the ninja movement speed, and has no chance of seeing Lee. Moreover, Lee with gates has enough speed/strength to push through any attack indirectly, and perhaps even directly. So yeah, there is nothing to discuss and no reason to even bring up the other 8 chars, since Post-timeskip Lee with Gates unquestionably solo's.

Like he would even get close.

[Banhammer]

I question that
with that much speed lee is getting no atriton, and near no safe footing. He gets wtfpwned by seabrease

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Like he would even get close.

you only need to go 120mph to cover the distance of a mile in 30 secs.
Pretimeskip Sasuke with weightless Lee speed showed at least that much. Gated Lee is likely twice as fast in outright running speed.

Oh, and maybe you forgot.... Gai deflected and cleared away hundreds of feet of water with activation of gates alone..................
Fire would be equally useless
Earth could be torn through
Lee's has the strength to push through Roku's level of wind based on what he showed while beating Gaara around.
Finally, Roku can't see Lee at all because he is too fast. it's in fact retarded to imply Roku can see him in any way shape or form.
Lee with gates unquestionably solo's.

Lock this thread.

[Gunners]

Gamabunta and Manda.

Naruto and Sasuke could take this. Aang was given a warning that he could be killed in the Avatar state, because the fire lord would be capable of killing him.

Rookie 9>Fire Lord.

They could cover the distance of a mile pretty fast anyway, if he starts trashing the terrain they would just use the boss summons. With neji or Kiba they would pinpoint his location and stomp him.

[Giovanni Rild]

you only need to go 120mph to cover the distance of a mile in 30 secs.
Pretimeskip Sasuke with weightless Lee speed showed at least that much. Gated Lee is likely twice as fast in outright running speed.

Oh, and maybe you forgot.... Gai deflected and cleared away hundreds of feet of water with activation of gates alone..................
Fire would be equally useless, Earth could be torn through, and Lee's has the strength to push through Roku's level of wind.

Just because Narutoverse fire is weak as hell doesn't mean Avatarverse fire is also.

And you are exaggerating on the hundreds of feet of water thing.
And don't pull numbers out of your ass when you are talking about speed.

Gamabunta and Manda.

Naruto and Sasuke could take this. Aang was given a warning that he could be killed in the Avatar state, because the fire lord would be capable of killing him.

Rookie 9>Fire Lord.

They could cover the distance of a mile pretty fast anyway, if he starts trashing the terrain they would just use the boss summons. With neji or Kiba they would pinpoint his location and stomp him.

This isn't Aang

[Banhammer]

yeah, ahum, when has rock lee ever traveled at 120mph hour?
never really...
And don't compare gai doings against inanimate water with his chibi version against a deadly weapon.

And people, rookie 9 cannot push against mountain's eruptions and f5 hurricanes, not to mention tsunamis.. I wanna smoke what you're smoking

[Limit_Tester]

This is the reason I made this thread. Lame posts like this


I knew you would like that response.

Actually though, alot of people are confused about who is participating in this battle. The rookie 9 are Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Hinata, Shino, Kiba, Hinata, Chouji, Shikamaru, and Ino. Rock Lee and Neji aren't a part of the fight.

Anyways... Roku and the 9 would have no idea where the other party was at a distance of 1 mile. Hinata would use byakugan to determine the location of Roku. At this point, the group would start moving towards Roku and would get there in short order. Once they closed the distance Roku would in fact be speedblitzed by the faster members of the group. Heck, even the slower members of the group could probably speedblitz him. They are all chuunin at this point (and well above average ones).

[Gunners]

This isn't Aang
So what if it is not Aang? Avatar state it doesn't matter as they have the past experiences of the previous avatars. He was still warned not to be killed in the avatar state as it would kill all of the previous Avatars. If he would stomp the fire lord in Avatar state that warning would mean shit.

[Banhammer]

yeah, exactly how are the the 9 going to fly and walk on lava?

[thegoodjae]

Sasuke solos. Is this landscape suppose to have a volcano? Firebenders made fire, but not lava. They can control it if it is around. I wouldn't be suprised if they could jump over a it though.

Well, Hinata can tell him where he is, and then Sasuke would go there and kill him. No ifs and buts. Sasuke would just speedblitz him like he did to Deidara and Tobi(Deidara should have died but Tobi warned him).

Roku's reaction time didn't show to be on par of a normal genin(seriously, he didn't), so he would die anyways.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Think about it.

Why would Naruto be in tailed mode? Why would Lee have any gates open? The Rookie 9 aren't blood lusted, Roku is.

Also, they cannot speed blitz him. They are a mile apart and as far a we know none of the rookie 9 are fast enough to get to him in time without powering up or using a special move.

Roku can literally create a wall huge of stone while simultaneously heating all the ground around him. How are they going to escape that or anything similar?

If the rookie 9 were actually clse enough to blitz him before he was able to call upon his power, I'd say they would win. But a mile is just too far apart.

[Red]

So...according to you I must assume people have certain powers when they never showed it?. Straw fucking man. We've all seen bender encase objects with their respective abilities, we've seen a firebender heat things, give me a reason why the fucking avatar can't?

Yes. Then I say Sasuke can create a super chidori sword of 3 km of longitude. Canon doesn't matter at all according to you. Are you going to pull strawmen out of your ass or debate? If you have reasons to back up your claim then it is acceptable, you seem to selectively read and miss all the examples Ive given, either you ignore them or bring up a fallacy and use it to argue nonsense.


If wasn't showed then it didn't happened. So just because you have the knowledge of all previous avatars I should assume they can do everything with elements?. Why then Aang just bend the comet coming to Earth then?. I mean...he has the knowledge of all previous avatars.....
Oh god do you want me to insult you? Because everything you are saying is bordering retardism. Previous avatars means multiple fucking life times of experience, centuries of experience and skills learned by previous avatars, so I don't get why you even question skills. And you know why aang can't bend the comet? because it's thousands of miles in space, the rookie nine are a mile away, you comparison is invalid.

And it has been shown Ive given the examples and episodes below. Watch the fucking television series, it's on nick every night at 9.00 and it's on at noon. The new episodes is on the 28th. Watch them.


the answer is simple: he can't. Stop adding powers that have been never showed just because we must presume some avatar have it.I'm not adding anything that hasn't been shown in the show, it's your own ignorance of the mater. In episode 21, an earthbender sunk katra into the ground, in the cross roads to destiny aang encases himself in crystal, in the drill aang encases his right hand with rocks and uses it on azula, if youve watched the show you'll understand encasing people in stuff is as simple as walking.

I'm not adding anything. Just watch the show.

Going from zero tails to 3 tails practically doesn't take time at all to Naruto. Just look the fight on the bridge. And here Roku is fighting against 9 opponents at the same time.
Naruto only goes to kyubi mode when blood lusted, for purpose of this fight he isn't have you not read the OP?



OP said Timeskip Naruto....he never said "when" during the timeskip.

Anyway....Sasuke showed capable to summon mid size snakes....(like the one he summoned at the beginning of his fight against Deidara)....So he still could do exactly the same...it's not like it would make a difference against "mr.human-reflexes-Roku". You must be new to the Battledome, The general consensus is that we use all current characters unless other wise stated. Currently manda is dead.

And do I smell a hypocrite? you go on and on how roku hasn't shown any of the feats I described above then you pull sasuke summoning when he clearly hasn't? make up your fucking mind.



I didn't know Aang was better water bender than Katara or better Earth Bender than Toph. Or that Avatars had all the techniques of any bender in the world. He mastered water bending far quicker than katara, toph self taught herself for months if not years and aang learns it in a week? does that not make him better than them?
And avatars have all the knowledge of previous bender who where masters of bending in their respective elements, multiply that by hundrends and you get a person knowing all the techniques in the world. Common fucking sense.

And do you know why aang doesn't just one shot the fire lord? because he can't control the state it's on and off, if he fought the fire lord and he dies before getting angry enough he has lost. But this is roku in full avatar state with all the powers and experience on the get go with an foes a fucking mile away? get real.

And from your ramblings in this thread and the other it's safe to say you haven't watched a lick of avatar neither have you read any of the canon comics. At least get some rudimentary knowledge before you start spouting off .

And so what gamabunta comes along then what? avatar goes ocean spirit mode and cuts him from afar. Gamabunta is a close range fighter as shown in the fight with shikaku. He wont get close enough to do squat.

[Chainwave]

Roku wins with a big tsunami or hurricane or both.

[vagnard]

Straw fucking man. We've all seen bender encase objects with their respective abilities, we've seen a firebender heat things, give me a reason why the fucking avatar can't?

No. Lol Stop lying. We never saw Roku doing that. Therefore you just can't assume he can. Show me a pic or a video or stop lying.

Are you going to pull strawmen out of your ass or debate? If you have reasons to back up your claim then it is acceptable, you seem to selectively read and miss all the examples Ive given, either you ignore them or bring up a fallacy and use it to argue nonsense.

You are just making shit. Show me when it was stated that every Earth Bender could make all the techniques in the world. They have clearly specialities. Roku was a fire specialist, Kyoshi was an earth specialist, etc. You can't just assume.

There is no strawman except in your little mind. When I presented a misrepresentation of your position?. You just stated that Roku could encase people with sand. I'm asking you a proof of that. That's all. We can't just pretend than everyone can do everything here. Are you saying there aren't limits in bending?. Your only argument is Bumi once used sand to encase people. If Avatars were invincible in avatar state then why there is a warning about not be killed during that mode?. If Aang using all the knowledge of previous avatars is invincible then why he should be worried facing Lord Ozai?. I mean...we are suppossed to believe according to you that Avatar is better than every other bender in the world in all elements when he is in avatar state.....but it seems he isn't good enough to not be killed by regular benders of Avatarverse.

Oh god do you want me to insult you? Because everything you are saying is bordering retardism. Previous avatars means multiple fucking life times of experience, centuries of experience and skills learned by previous avatars, so I don't get why you even question skills. And you know why aang can't bend the comet? because it's thousands of miles in space, the rookie nine are a mile away, you comparison is invalid.
And it has been shown Ive given the examples and episodes below. Watch the fucking television series, it's on nick every night at 9.00 and it's on at noon. The new episodes is on the 28th. Watch them.

Show me an example of bending elements a mile away. Even when Kyoshi separated the island from the continent she just next the point of bending. Or stop the bullshit.

Just because avatars have century of knowledge it doesn't mean they can do the impossible in terms of Avatarverse's powers.


I'm not adding anything that hasn't been shown in the show, it's your own ignorance of the mater. In episode 21, an earthbender sunk katra into the ground, in the cross roads to destiny aang encases himself in crystal, in the drill aang encases his right hand with rocks and uses it on azula, if youve watched the show you'll understand encasing people in stuff is as simple as walking.

And transforming regular earth into sand it's the same as encasing your hand with earth?. And doing it a mile away?. When it was showed in the whole series a level of bending control like that?. Lol. Otherwise all earth benders would be encasing their opponents all the time instead throwing boulders like retards.

I'm not adding anything. Just watch the show.

It's even worst than that. You are lying.

Naruto only goes to kyubi mode when blood lusted, for purpose of this fight he isn't have you not read the OP?

Lol. Naruto doesn't need to be bloodlusted. In part 2 Naruto has showed to use Kyuubi Naruto 0 even when he was calmed. He used Kyuubi to use FRS against Kakuzu. Hell...even just training he became 4 tails in matter of seconds.

You must be new to the Battledome, The general consensus is that we use all current characters unless other wise stated. Currently manda is dead.

Lol. I'm more than a year older than you in this forum. And no....the general concensus is we use characters with everything they have...we don't just reduce characters to their current situations.....otherwise current Sasuke is tired by his battle against Deidara. That's retarded.

It's funny how you are desesperate to limit Narutoverse in every little thing...are you saying that if the fight was 20 chapters ago Sasuke would be eating Roku's bones with mustard?. Just stop your bullshit and admit how below Avatarverse is from Narutoverse. Are you trying to prove Avatarverse is strong?. Or are you trying to prove that Aang and his friends can beat ninjas if they have diahrrea or AIDS?.

And do I smell a hypocrite? you go on and on how roku hasn't shown any of the feats I described above then you pull sasuke summoning when he clearly hasn't? make up your fucking mind.

Are you that stupid? Take that.

http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000356/16.jpg



He mastered water bending far quicker than katara, toph self taught herself for months if not years and aang learns it in a week? does that not make him better than them?

No. He learned a basic skill before Katara. He never showed the ability to water that Katara possess. She is practically doing most of the impressive water bending feats of the series. Aang is faster learner than her, after all he must master all elements...but he never showed the same level of skill than Toph or Katara with their respective elements.



And avatars have all the knowledge of previous bender who where masters of bending in their respective elements, multiply that by hundrends and you get a person knowing all the techniques in the world. Common fucking sense.

No, that isn't common sense. Jeong Jeong was a fire master and he couldn't even use Azula's blue fire or lightining. Nobody beside Bumi has showed able to bend sand. Only water benders from Foggy Swamp Tribe were able to bend mud or plants. There are specializations and secret techniques....why do you think they are so many inmortal guys in Naruto who doesn't even know even 10% of the techniques. How an avatar would know about a new technique created by Toph, Katara or any new bender?....or techniques that that avatar never met in his life?.

And do you know why aang doesn't just one shot the fire lord? because he can't control the state it's on and off, if he fought the fire lord and he dies before getting angry enough he has lost. But this is roku in full avatar state with all the powers and experience on the get go with an foes a fucking mile away? get real.

If Aang in Avatar state could wipe the Fire Lord then the warning would be useless. Don't be a hypocrite.... the problem is if Aang dies during the avatar state because the cycle would be broken. If Avatar were invincible that warning wouldn't be necessary.


And from your ramblings in this thread and the other it's safe to say you haven't watched a lick of avatar neither have you read any of the canon comics. At least get some rudimentary knowledge before you start spouting off .

Lol. You call me strawman and you are attacking my knowledge about the series. What an hypocrite. I have seen the whole Avatar series until "awakening" chapter of Book 3. It seem you are the one who hasn't even read Naruto that can't even tell the power difference. Or it seems you know...that's why you are concerning about limiting ninjas in every single way.

And so what gamabunta comes along then what? avatar goes ocean spirit mode and cuts him from afar. Gamabunta is a close range fighter as shown in the fight with shikaku. He wont get close enough to do squat.

Lol...good way of talking shit. You are talking like Aang or Roku could summon Ocean Spirit whenever they want. Ocean Spirit was a phenom even weirder than Kyuubi Naruto. Nice double standard. Roku would need a ocean or a river to bend water in first place. There is no chance to use Ocean Spirit in this battle.

[potential]

Sasuke shunshins Roku and makes him a pine tree.

[thegoodjae]

Bloodlusted or not, Sasuke always tries to speedblitz his opponent. Roku would never see him coming. Sasuke can literally fly from above too.

[Pimp of Pimps]

Bloodlusted or not, Sasuke always tries to speedblitz his opponent. Roku would never see him coming. Sasuke can literally fly from above too.'

When was the last time Sasuke speed blitzed someone a mile away? :lmao

[thegoodjae]

lol whens the last time Ruko even saw someone that speed coming at him. Roku won't see him until he is around a hundred yards away, and Sasuke can speedblitz him. What you don't realise is, even though he is a mile away, Sasuke is still just as fast and him speed blitz Ruko coming from the behind to where Roku can not attack him is tactical and something Sasuke would do. Roku obviously won't be like hmm who is that guy coming to me because Sasuke is still moving faster than a ninja's eye can perceive. It is just that it will take longer. Roku still won't see Sasuke, he just has a couple more seconds to live.

Bad reasoning on your part.

[Red]

No. Lol Stop lying. We never saw Roku doing that. Therefore you just can't assume he can. Show me a pic or a video or stop lying. cross roads of destiny, katara did it and also aang. if you think roku doesn't know a skill like that then you're an idiot.



You are just making shit. Show me when it was stated that every Earth Bender could make all the techniques in the world. They have clearly specialities. Roku was a fire specialist, Kyoshi was an earth specialist, etc. You can't just assume. Roku was a fire specialist,kyoshi earth, there was also a water specialist and an air one, repeat that over an over again for a couple lifetimes, thats what experience roku has. What part of "all experience and power of the previous avatars" don't you get?

There is no strawman except in your little mind. When I presented a misrepresentation of your position?.You must be so stupid that you can't remeber your own wordsCanon doesn't matter at all according to you. Way to fucking misinterpret the point.

You just stated that Roku could encase people with sand. I'm asking you a proof of that. That's all. We can't just pretend than everyone can do everything here. Are you saying there aren't limits in bending?. Your only argument is Bumi once used sand to encase people. If Avatars were invincible in avatar state then why there is a warning about not be killed during that mode?. If Aang using all the knowledge of previous avatars is invincible then why he should be worried facing Lord Ozai?. I mean...we are suppossed to believe according to you that Avatar is better than every other bender in the world in all elements when he is in avatar state.....but it seems he isn't good enough to not be killed by regular benders of Avatarverse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEDsvigCGc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEDsvigCGc)Katra does it here, along with aang, and even zuko. But according to you teenagers can do what the avatar in his avatar state can't right Lol at bullshit. And yes the avatar is better than everyone in as long as he's in the avatar state. How many time must I repeat this "he has all the power and the knowledge by the avatars before him"


Show me an example of bending elements a mile away. Even when Kyoshi separated the island from the continent she just next the point of bending. Or stop the bullshit. Because you know roku can't make a couple tornados and send it their way just for lols right? A whirl pool fucked team guy up, what makes you think they'd all dodge a couple of tornados?

Just because avatars have century of knowledge it doesn't mean they can do the impossible in terms of Avatarverse's powers.
I never said they can do the impossible.



And transforming regular earth into sand it's the same as encasing your hand with earth? And doing it a mile away?Because you know, no earth bender has been shown to do it right? general, fong and bumi did it, just fucking watch the cartoon and stop making yourself look like an idiot. .
When it was showed in the whole series a level of bending control like that?. Lol. Otherwise all earth benders would be encasing their opponents all the time instead throwing boulders like retards. Yeah because all earth benders have the knowledge like the avatar right?durrhurr. And Ive posted video take the time to watch them.



It's even worst than that. You are lying. You must be a grade A idiot. Two separate vids of them performing that and you can still open your mouth top bullshit?

Here lemme post them again.

Crossroads of destiny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEDsvigCGc

The drill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJlDvr7Goek


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxqDeFHWo3o



Lol. Naruto doesn't need to be bloodlusted. In part 2 Naruto has showed to use Kyuubi Naruto 0 even when he was calmed. He used Kyuubi to use FRS against Kakuzu. Kyuubi zero is not the same as kyuubi 4, and you specifically said he'd go kuuybi 4. Post a scan of him going four tails without freaking out first, that or shut up.



Lol. I'm more than a year older than you in this forum. And no....the general concensus is we use characters with everything they have...we don't just reduce characters to their current situations.....otherwise current Sasuke is tired by his battle against Deidara. Even so what stops avatar from going ocean spirit and cutting manda into tiny pieces at a distance? unlike gambunta manda can't hop out of range. And why would sasuke summon manda at the drop of the hat?

It's funny how you are desesperate to limit Narutoverse in every little thing...are you saying that if the fight was 20 chapters ago Sasuke would be eating Roku's bones with mustard?. Just stop your bullshit and admit how below Avatarverse is from Narutoverse. Are you trying to prove Avatarverse is strong?. Or are you trying to prove that Aang and his friends can beat ninjas if they have diahrrea or AIDS?. You must be a new type of idiot.



Are you that stupid? Take that.

http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000356/16.jpg

SO fucking what, Avatars have been shown to manifest the spirits, how the fuck can you compare that snake to the oceangod who took fire nation cannons without flinching?



No. He learned a basic skill before Katara. He never showed the ability to water that Katara possess. She is practically doing most of the impressive water bending feats of the series. Aang is faster learner than her, after all he must master all elements...but he never showed the same level of skill than Toph or Katara with their respective elements. Aang is not iroku. your point is stupid.





No, that isn't common sense. Jeong Jeong was a fire master and he couldn't even use Azula's blue fire or lightining.When was jeong jeong in a combat situation? how can you say for sure he doesn't know it? oh thats right you can't. Nobody beside Bumi has showed able to bend sand.And general fong. and the sand benders that took appa, do you even know what your talking about?

Only water benders from Foggy Swamp Tribe were able to bend mud or plants. There are specializations and secret techniques....why do you think they are so many inmortal guys in Naruto who doesn't even know even 10% of the techniques. How an avatar would know about a new technique created by Toph, Katara or any new bender?....or techniques that that avatar never met in his life?.Who said sand technique was created by toph? I don't know whee you heard that pull shit, it has been shown that with a combination of both elements you can bend the mixture, aang and katara bent a cloud, how hard is it for roku the master of all four elements, with the experience of a hundred lifetimes to bend mud and or sand?



If Aang in Avatar state could wipe the Fire Lord then the warning would be useless. Don't be a hypocrite.... the problem is if Aang dies during the avatar state because the cycle would be broken. If Avatar were invincible that warning wouldn't be necessary.No one said the avatar was incible, and one of the reasons aang doesn't one shot the firelord is that he can't control how and when he enters the avatar state. What the fuck do you thing general fong was trying to do?




Lol. You call me strawman and you are attacking my knowledge about the series. What an hypocrite. I have seen the whole Avatar series until "awakening" chapter of Book 3. It seem you are the one who hasn't even read Naruto that can't even tell the power difference. Or it seems you know...that's why you are concerning about limiting ninjas in every single way. Yes, you don't know about sand benders, how one can bend a mixture of two elements, how earthbenders manipulating the ground density etc. your knowledge has holes in them and instead of acknowledging them you come here to prove your idiocy.



Lol...good way of talking shit. You are talking like Aang or Roku could summon Ocean Spirit whenever they want. Ocean Spirit was a phenom even weirder than Kyuubi Naruto. Nice double standard. Roku would need a ocean or a river to bend water in first place. There is no chance to use Ocean Spirit in this battle.What double standard? you must be using that word without knowing the meaning right?

The ocean spirit is part of the spirit world therefore the avatar can summon him what part of "The avatar is the bridge between the spirit world and earth" don't you fucking get?

[Limit_Tester]

The only reason Aang was able to summon the Ocean spirit was because
a) he was right next to its avatar
b) the Ocean spirit was extremely pissed because the moon spirit was killed

[Cthulhu-versailles]

opps! I was a little overzelaous and kind of ignored the whole only the 9...

[vagnard]

cross roads of destiny, katara did it and also aang. if you think roku doesn't know a skill like that then you're an idiot.

Stop flamebaiting. I asked when a character encased a character WHEN HE WAS a mile away. No one has been able to manipulate sand beside of Bumi and desert benders. And he didn't encased Aang during the whole damn fight. If encasing people is so easily why Earth Nation was owned by Fire Nation?.

Roku was a fire specialist,kyoshi earth, there was also a water specialist and an air one, repeat that over an over again for a couple lifetimes, thats what experience roku has. What part of "all experience and power of the previous avatars" don't you get?

Only in avatar state they get all the knowledge of all previous avatars. Even bloodlusted it isn't so common for Aang to change into Avatar state and takes a very long amount of time (for Naruto characters that can easily cover a mile in less than a couple of minutes).

You must be so stupid that you can't remeber your own words Way to fucking misinterpret the point.

You are using strawman during the whole debate plus all these fallacies:

-Appeal to probability
-Bare assertion fallacy
-Hasty generalization

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEDsvigCGc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEDsvigCGc)Katra does it here, along with aang, and even zuko. But according to you teenagers can do what the avatar in his avatar state can't right Lol at bullshit. And yes the avatar is better than everyone in as long as he's in the avatar state. How many time must I repeat this "he has all the power and the knowledge by the avatars before him"

No.. it's a fallacy....just because Aang, Toph or Katara can encase people when they are a decent distance you are trying to extrapolate:

-Roku can encase people who are a mile away.
-Roku can use an element never used to encase people in the whole series. Bumi could only turn the ground into sand. He never showed the ability to manipulate it just like Gaara.
-Regular Sand can pwn a ninja. When Gaara enhanced sand that is way faster than anything any character of Avatarverse has showed can't do that. Pre-Timeskip Sasuke was fast enough to avoid most attacks of Gaara. What makes you think Roku (who has regular human reaction) can encase Naruto's characters with any element at all?. For Roku Naruto's characters would look like a blur at best.


Because you know roku can't make a couple tornados and send it their way just for lols right? A whirl pool fucked team guy up, what makes you think they'd all dodge a couple of tornados?

When a whirlpool "fucked team gai up"? lol. Kisame never used a whirlpool against them...stop lying. He was using water enhanced by chakra to attack team Gai.

I never said they can do the impossible.

Yes you did. No character in Avatar has show the ability to bend something when he is a mile away. Sorry proof of it didn't happened.

Because you know, no earth bender has been shown to do it right? general, fong and bumi did it, just fucking watch the cartoon and stop making yourself look like an idiot. .
Yeah because all earth benders have the knowledge like the avatar right?durrhurr. And Ive posted video take the time to watch them.

Lol. They didn't. Fong and Bumi never bending something when they were a mile away from it.. It's very different using a long range technique that start near of you than using control far away from your reach...specially with something complex like encase.

And you are talking like if Naruto's character would just stand there like idiots while they are encased. Post-timeskip there are several of them capable to evade Pre-timeskip Gaara's sand who was way faster than anything a character in Avatar has been able to control. Gaara was able to catch guys who can move faster than the eye can see. Avatar benders hardly can catch other benders who have regular-speed/reactions.


You must be a grade A idiot. Two separate vids of them performing that and you can still open your mouth top bullshit?

Here lemme post them again.

Crossroads of destiny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEDsvigCGc

The drill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJlDvr7Goek


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxqDeFHWo3o

I feel pity for you. You still don't give me an example of a bender capable to encase people A MILE AWAY.. All your examples are close quarters....and pretty much everyone agrees that in close quarters Roku is fucked up because he would be speedblitzed by any ninja.... Roku can't encase ninjas because their speed. What part of the message are you missing, you idiot?. If pre-timeskip Sasuke could evade Gaara's sand...what do you think will the post timeskip ninjas do?. Gaara's sand was enhanced with chakra and Deidara especifically stated was way faster than regular sand that wasn't part of the gourd.

Kyuubi zero is not the same as kyuubi 4, and you specifically said he'd go kuuybi 4. Post a scan of him going four tails without freaking out first, that or shut up.

Show me a pic or video of Aang going into avatar state in an instant. Because in first place that's the only way to Roku use the knowledge of all previous avatars like you say. Giving what we saw in the bridge KN4 doesn't take more time to charge than avatar state. And Naruto doesn't need to be piss off at all. Just look his training with Yamato...he can force himself to KN4 if he really wants.


Even so what stops avatar from going ocean spirit and cutting manda into tiny pieces at a distance? unlike gambunta manda can't hop out of range. And why would sasuke summon manda at the drop of the hat?

Sasuke can summon Manda whenever he wants or any other type of snake because he can use genjutsu on them. And of course he will do that if he see someone trying to attack him from a long range distance. It's funny how you can declare exactly what Roku will do...but deny what Sasuke could do in that situation saying: "it isn't in character" lol. Double standard again

And stop making bullshit. Avatar can't summon the ocean spirit at will. Roku can't even do Water bending unless they are fighting near a river or he has with him a gourd of water like Katara.

You must be a new type of idiot.

No. You take that title long time ago.

[vagnard]

SO fucking what, Avatars have been shown to manifest the spirits, how the fuck can you compare that snake to the oceangod who took fire nation cannons without flinching?

No fucking shit. Avatars can't summon spirits at will. Everytime Aang has do it he had no idea what the fuck he did so stop making shit. The only reason because he could contact with Ocean Spirit in first place was because he was in the most spiritual place of the whole North Pole....and he had to enter in a trance of several minutes staring at the two koi fish in a pool and heads off into the spirit world. Did you miss the part where Katara has to guard him because he was defendless?.

How the Ocean Spirit will manifest when they aren't fighting in the most sacred place of North Pole, Roku isn't looking 2 koi fish to enter in trance, he won't have time to enter in trance in the middle of a fight...and he won't have someone to protect him while he is in trance?. You are sad. You claim you are an avatar fan and you have no idea about the series. They aren't even fighting in near the ocean you baka.

By the way. Thank you. Concession accepted. Sasuke can summon other snakes beside Manda. Congratulations

Aang is not iroku. your point is stupid.

Yeah....and Roku isn't absolute master of all elements unlike he gets in avatar state just like Aang. In the moment he tries he will be fucked up by the ninja team.

When was jeong jeong in a combat situation? how can you say for sure he doesn't know it? oh thats right you can't.

Just look the episode "The Deserter" He fought against General Zhao and he didn't use any great fire technique like Azula. And from OB's perspective if you have a chance to fight and you didn't used a technique then you haven't it.

and the sand benders that took appa, do you even know what your talking about?

Yes. And they were sand specialist benders.

Who said sand technique was created by toph? I don't know whee you heard that pull shit, it has been shown that with a combination of both elements you can bend the mixture, aang and katara bent a cloud, how hard is it for roku the master of all four elements, with the experience of a hundred lifetimes to bend mud and or sand?

Can you even read?. When I said Toph created the sand technique?. I just say Avatar can't know every single technique because there are techniques created by particular benders in different places. If Katara or Toph crates a technique right now Roku wouldn't had idea about it because it was beyond his time. Just like avatars didn't meet every master in Avatar world. Therefore they can't know all the techniques...even when they could be specialists of their elements. Do you understand now?.

And no....just because Roku can use the four elements it doesn't mean he is able or he knows how to replicate something. Katara didn't even realize at the beginning that a guy was manipulating plants through water bending. Guys of the Water Tribe of the Swap could manipulate mud because the water on it. But they are skilled on it. No other water bender has showed the ability to replicate this. Did you miss when Katara was training specific skills of water bending like the "Water Snake" of Katara. Just because you know Water bending it doesn't mean you have absolute control over water at will. You need to train to be able to bend any single different aspect of that element. So just because Bumi or the desert benders can manipulate sand it doesn't mean Roku can do it unless he (or a previous avatar) had experiences with guys from those places

No one said the avatar was incible, and one of the reasons aang doesn't one shot the firelord is that he can't control how and when he enters the avatar state. What the fuck do you thing general fong was trying to do?

Yeah...and if non-avatar bender like Ozai can kill Aang in avatar state then it would be a walk on the park for rookie 9 who are stronger, faster, more durable and have way more different techniques than any other character in Avatar.

Yes, you don't know about sand benders, how one can bend a mixture of two elements, how earthbenders manipulating the ground density etc. your knowledge has holes in them and instead of acknowledging them you come here to prove your idiocy.

So you admit that the only thing you know how to do is try to limit Naruto's characters instead praise Avatar's character abilities.

You don't even knew that Water Tribu of the Swap can manipulate mud through water bending...so what the fuck are you talking about. I seriously doubt you have ever seen Avatar because you are talking out of your ass. Probably you just read a summary on internet.

Understand one thing...just because Avatar has more knowledge that every other bender in the world it doesn't mean he has ALL THE KNOWLEDGE...in fact...he can't....because even with multiple lives they didn't were trained by every single master or meet all the different people of each era who developed particular techniques like bending mud or plants.

What double standard? you must be using that word without knowing the meaning right?

The ocean spirit is part of the spirit world therefore the avatar can summon him what part of "The avatar is the bridge between the spirit world and earth" don't you fucking get?

See the fucking series. I will repeat what I said above. Just because the avatar is the bridge between the 2 worlds it can't do whatever he wants and take out spirits out of his ass.

Ocean Spirit needed to be summoned in the most sacred place of Pole North, near a body of water after staring 2 koi fish to enter in trance for a while...leaving the avatar totally defendless for a very long time and Katara won't be there to save Roku's ass when Rookie 9 rapes him while he is in trance.

You have no idea about Avatar. You haven't even see the series. Stop trolling using info from poor websites.

[Pimp of Pimps]

lol whens the last time Ruko even saw someone that speed coming at him. Roku won't see him until he is around a hundred yards away, and Sasuke can speedblitz him. What you don't realise is, even though he is a mile away, Sasuke is still just as fast and him speed blitz Ruko coming from the behind to where Roku can not attack him is tactical and something Sasuke would do. Roku obviously won't be like hmm who is that guy coming to me because Sasuke is still moving faster than a ninja's eye can perceive. It is just that it will take longer. Roku still won't see Sasuke, he just has a couple more seconds to live.

Bad reasoning on your part.

Roku never saw someone as fast as Sasuke coming at him. Unless he was in a fight with a bender moving at top speeds with their elements, but let's pretend that didn't happen.

Roku might not be able to react to Sasuke's speed, but being a mile away he has time to do some pretty destructive shit. Like creating a huge wall to protect him. Or divide the land. Or make a river of magma on all sides. Make spikes come out of the ground. Flaming hot spikes that'd melt their bones. Maybe create a hurricane, wh him in the center.

As long as Roku knows the Rookie 9 are there and there is enough distance between them (a mile/1760 yards/5280 ft is enough) he'll defeat them. And he's bloodlusted at that, so if we bring in the Avatar state (Imagine hundreds of thousands of Avatars, each at their peak, all combine their skills) there's no way he can lose.

And Sasuke never speed blitzed someone from a mile away. :lmao

[Grandmaster Kane]

Roku rapes

Aoe fucking pwn all ninja

why do you think kakazu was so "strong"

[Fuujin]

Hinata tells them where Roku is, Roku has no idea where they are.
Sasuke travels the distance of 1 mile in less than two seconds (it's only 1600 metres people) and proceeds to rape Roku. The rest aren't needed.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Hinata tells them where Roku is, Roku has no idea where they are.
Sasuke travels the distance of 1 mile in less than two seconds (it's only 1600 metres people) and proceeds to rape Roku. The rest aren't needed.

1. hinata cant see that far with white eyes

(unless you have scans to back it up)

and

2 Roku doesnt need to know where they are the could spam aoe attacks centered on him

HE IS THE FUCKING AVATAR PEOPLE he isnt some nooby genin learnign shadow clone.

[Fuujin]

1. hinata cant see that far with white eyes

(unless you have scans to back it up)

and

2 Roku doesnt need to know where they are the could spam aoe attacks centered on him

HE IS THE FUCKING AVATAR PEOPLE he isnt some nooby genin learnign shadow clone.
No I don't have scans to back it up, but Roku just spamming AoE really isn't as good a strategy as it is a good-looking one. We're talking about characters who can jump several hundred feet into the air, punch through solid rock, do shielding and counter techniques, and even replace themselves with logs if need be. They're not genin anymore (well Naruto and Sasuke are but they're special)

[Grandmaster Kane]

No I don't have scans to back it up, but Roku just spamming AoE really isn't as good a strategy as it is a good-looking one. We're talking about characters who can jump several hundred feet into the air, punch through solid rock, do shielding and counter techniques, and even replace themselves with logs if need be. They're not genin anymore (well Naruto and Sasuke are but they're special)

1. They could never outlast roku who LITTARALLY has unlimitted ammo
2. They could never punch thru as much rock as he could go under
3.Fat lot of good "shielding techniques" (which i havnt seen) will do you during a F5 hurricane + Volcano eruptions + Tusnami + Freak lightning storm + earthquake

[Fuujin]

1. They could never outlast roku who LITTARALLY has unlimitted ammo
2. They could never punch thru as much rock as he could go under
3.Fat lot of good "shielding techniques" (which i havnt seen) will do you during a F5 hurricane + Volcano eruptions + Tusnami + Freak lightning storm + earthquake
1. Naruto certainly could.
2. If he's bloodlusted he's very unlikely to focus on defending isn't he, especially since he doesn't know how fast his opponents truly are.
3. Overexxageration much?

[Grandmaster Kane]

1. Naruto certainly could.
2. If he's bloodlusted he's very unlikely to focus on defending isn't he, especially since he doesn't know how fast his opponents truly are.
3. Overexxageration much?

1. Even naruto gets tired
2. If he is underground none of that shit matters.
3. No not really.

[Shoddragon]

yeah, exactly how are the the 9 going to fly and walk on lava?



LOL. its called chakra walking. you don't relaly think they walk on the water's surface do you. they walk slightly above the water.

[Grandmaster Kane]

LOL. its called chakra walking. you don't relaly think they walk on the water's surface do you. they walk slightly above the water.

No

They walk ON water

check the manga you will see the ripples

[Shoddragon]

No

They walk ON water

check the manga you will see the ripples

of chakra pushing against the water from keeping the ninja from falling into the water. they float slightly above the water.

[Fuujin]

1. Even naruto gets tired
2. If he is underground none of that shit matters.
3. No not really.
1. Yep he does...until he starts tapping into Kyuubi chakra that is...
2. That's what I meant by defense. He's more likely to fly up and try to get a view of where the nin are, they will then see him and let the blitz begin. Plus when has Roku ever fought from underground?
3. Okay back your shit up. Show me a vid of Roku summoning an F5 hurricane, making a volcano erupt, creating tsunamis and lightning storms + earthquakes all at once. No? That's what I thought...

[Grandmaster Kane]

1. Yep he does...until he starts tapping into Kyuubi chakra that is...
2. That's what I meant by defense. He's more likely to fly up and try to get a view of where the nin are, they will then see him and let the blitz begin. Plus when has Roku ever fought from underground?
3. Okay back your shit up. Show me a vid of Roku summoning an F5 hurricane, making a volcano erupt, creating tsunamis and lightning storms + earthquakes all at once. No? That's what I thought...

wait till end of 3 season

you will mostly have your proof before then thou.

And your making illogical assumptions

Just because he hasnt been "seen yet" doing it it doesnt mean he cant.

[Red]

Stop flamebaiting. I asked when a character encased a character WHEN HE WAS a mile away. No one has been able to manipulate sand beside of Bumi and desert benders. And he didn't encased Aang during the whole damn fight. If encasing people is so easily why Earth Nation was owned by Fire Nation?. Did I say a Mile away? stop putting word in my mouth. Like I said what stops roku from terraforming the place before or after sending in hurricanes?



Only in avatar state they get all the knowledge of all previous avatars. Even bloodlusted it isn't so common for Aang to change into Avatar state and takes a very long amount of time (for Naruto characters that can easily cover a mile in less than a couple of minutes). Have you ever seen bloodlusted aang? in all cases he went Avatr mode eg, when he learned that the sand benders stole appa, when he saw the dead body of his master or when he thought katara was going to die. Blood lusted roku is equivalent to saying avtar state roku.



You are using strawman during the whole debate plus all these fallacies:

-Appeal to probability
-Bare assertion fallacy
-Hasty generalization
A strawman calling another strawman out. Lol, your ridiculous comparisons, selective observations, your selective readings, your argument by pigheadedness and your half truths are not fallacies right? we can sit here and point fingers all day


No.. it's a fallacy....just because Aang, Toph or Katara can encase people when they are a decent distance you are trying to extrapolate:

-Roku can encase people who are a mile away.
-Roku can use an element never used to encase people in the whole series. Bumi could only turn the ground into sand. He never showed the ability to manipulate it just like Gaara.
-Regular Sand can pwn a ninja. When Gaara enhanced sand that is way faster than anything any character of Avatarverse has showed can't do that. Pre-Timeskip Sasuke was fast enough to avoid most attacks of Gaara. What makes you think Roku (who has regular human reaction) can encase Naruto's characters with any element at all?. For Roku Naruto's characters would look like a blur at best. I never said anything about roku encasing people a mile away. If I shout strawman now you'll start denying right? Not only bumi but fong, Ive corrected you on this a couple times now. While pre timeskip sasuke has been shown to dodge attacks he's never encountered anything like terraforming of the entire region has he? Apples and oranges people.

12 year old kids have done it are you saying the avatar can't do it? Give your reasons or concede. Don't skirt around this. Lemme put it this way. Every gennin hs mastered the art of shuriken throwing right? would you dispute the fact zetsu can throw a kunai even if he hasn't been shown too? DOn't put a double standard here.




When a whirlpool "fucked team gai up"? lol. Kisame never used a whirlpool against them...stop lying. He was using water enhanced by chakra to attack team Gai. And that slowed them the fuck down right wheres the lie in that? arn't you the guy that said the knoha nine would run through all the waves in minutes? This not including the typhoons that would be in their way.



Yes you did. No character in Avatar has show the ability to bend something when he is a mile away. Sorry proof of it didn't happened.
Dear lord stop putting words in my mouth.


Lol. They didn't. Fong and Bumi never bending something when they were a mile away from it.. It's very different using a long range technique that start near of you than using control far away from your reach...specially with something complex like encase. I never said that again. stop it.another strawman from you.

And you are talking like if Naruto's character would just stand there like idiots while they are encased. Post-timeskip there are several of them capable to evade Pre-timeskip Gaara's sand who was way faster than anything a character in Avatar has been able to control. Gaara was able to catch guys who can move faster than the eye can see. Avatar benders hardly can catch other benders who have regular-speed/reactions. Thats why all of team gai, along with lee who's reaction time was the fastest was incased in the water prison right? as soon as they get into range, they'd be going down fast.




I feel pity for you. You still don't give me an example of a bender capable to encase people A MILE AWAY.. Strawman.

All your examples are close quarters....and pretty much everyone agrees that in close quarters Roku is fucked up because he would be speedblitzed by any ninja.... Roku can't encase ninjas because their speed.Just a quick question, how high has anyone shown to jump without trees (with the exception of gated lee)? If they can't jump the fucking hieght of a twister then they're speed blitz would be all for nought. What part of the message are you missing, you idiot?. If pre-timeskip Sasuke could evade Gaara's sand...what do you think will the post timeskip ninjas do?. Gaara's sand was enhanced with chakra and Deidara especifically stated was way faster than regular sand that wasn't part of the gourd.
Again gaara was using projectiles, the description I gave of roku did not. Terraforming =/= shooting stuff at them. your completely missing the point. you misunderstood the point.

And didn't you just accuse me of generilzing? Becasue sasuke can do something that doesn't mean sakura,hinata,neji, naruto, and shino can do it right? the only two people your comparisons apply to are sasuke and lee. Infact apart from sasuke and lee nobody else in the konoha nine stands a chance. neji and hinata are all close ranged combatant and never showed a speed feat, same thing with sakura. Shino may have an advantage but theres no way in hell bugs are going to get anywhere near roku in tornado mode. Naruto will just spam kaga's like an idiot, none with reach roku (hitting them makes the go "Poof thats why") and since roku is blood lusted he won't get the chance to do anything more than dodge.


Show me a pic or video of Aang going into avatar state in an instant. Because in first place that's the only way to Roku use the knowledge of all previous avatars like you say. Giving what we saw in the bridge KN4 doesn't take more time to charge than avatar state. And Naruto doesn't need to be piss off at all. Just look his training with Yamato...he can force himself to KN4 if he really wants.
Again bloodlust= avatar mode to an avatar. Watch the vids I gave you above where it shows aang going into his state in when he thought katar was in danger and when he found out his master died.

No he didn't force himself to go kyuubi when he wanted to, Naruto goes kyuubi only on two occasions. One when he's out of chakra (valley of the end) two when he'd bloodlusted. In the training with yamato he was out of chkra and was depending on kyuubi thats what forced him to go KN.


You haven't watched



Sasuke can summon Manda whenever he wants or any other type of snake because he can use genjutsu on them. And of course he will do that if he see someone trying to attack him from a long range distance. It's funny how you can declare exactly what Roku will do...but deny what Sasuke could do in that situation saying: "it isn't in character" lol. Double standard again
Both of us are guilty of double standards just read you own posts, but as it is, CIS is on in this fight, the reason it doesn't apply to roku is because he's blood lusted, sasuke is not, the rules still apply. Sasuke would never summon a snake to fight his opponents, the only times he did that was 1. a shield 2. to escape an explosion.
And stop making bullshit. Avatar can't summon the ocean spirit at will. Roku can't even do Water bending unless they are fighting near a river or he has with him a gourd of water like Katara. Your right he can't, but what he can do is enough to defeat sasuke and lee (who are the only viable threat).

and OP never mentioned anything about th location or whether or not he has unlimited elements, before you say "what? unlimited elements thats not fear?" your arguing with the naruot team with the idea that they have unlimited chakra, why won't I do the same?


No. You take that title long time ago.I can't beat the undisputed king.

Did you miss the part where Katara has to guard him because he was defendless?. Conceded he can't summon at the drop of a hat, but what you said about katara protecting him is either a half truth or your own ignorance. katara did not protect him when he became the ocean spirit.

[Red]

You are sad. You claim you are an avatar fan and you have no idea about the series. They aren't even fighting in near the ocean you baka. Lol at weeaboo shit. I never said I was an avatar fan, my sig and avy don't show it either, your just making shit up from the top of your head right?


Yeah....and Roku isn't absolute master of all elements unlike he gets in avatar state just like Aang. In the moment he tries he will be fucked up by the ninja team. He is an absolute master because he has thousands of masters inside him. It's really not that hard to understand.


Just look the episode "The Deserter" He fought against General Zhao and he didn't use any great fire technique like Azula. And from OB's perspective if you have a chance to fight and you didn't used a technique then you haven't it. Was he in avatar state? no. And the OBD rule doesn't take into account this guy has several thousand masters in him, so are you saying all the fire masters of the avatar can't do what a fifteen year old can? Say tat to yourself out loud first.



Yes. And they were sand specialist benders. Just letting you know.

When I said Toph created the sand technique?. I just say Avatar can't know every single technique because there are techniques created by particular benders in different places. If Katara or Toph crates a technique right now Roku wouldn't had idea about it because it was beyond his time. Just like avatars didn't meet every master in Avatar world. Therefore they can't know all the techniques...even when they could be specialists of their elements. Do you understand now?. Yes I understand, but your reasoning doesn't make sense. You claim that roku doesn't know it because the techniques are recent and he hasn't yet experienced right? the flaw is easy, how do you know those styles where made recently? if you prove tome they are recent techniques instead of the standard teachings then I on't concede to this.

And no....just because Roku can use the four elements it doesn't mean he is able or he knows how to replicate something. Katara didn't even realize at the beginning that a guy was manipulating plants through water bending. Guys of the Water Tribe of the Swap could manipulate mud because the water on it. But they are skilled on it. No other water bender has showed the ability to replicate this. Did you miss when Katara was training specific skills of water bending like the "Water Snake" of Katara. Just because you know Water bending it doesn't mean you have absolute control over water at will. You need to train to be able to bend any single different aspect of that element. So just because Bumi or the desert benders can manipulate sand it doesn't mean Roku can do it unless he (or a previous avatar) had experiences with guys from those places Katara and aang manipulate clouds by combining air and water. Tell me why roku can't control mud by controlling both the earth and water?

Yes you need to train with the only exception is when you have thousands of masters, with thousands of years experience with a huge amount of power. Then bending both elements at the same time is a cinch. You mentioned the water snake, was that not taught to katara by a master? so wouldn't it mean that at least one water master in avata riroku's consious knows it? You make it seem like I'm speaking the un imaginable.



Yeah...and if non-avatar bender like Ozai can kill Aang in avatar state then it would be a walk on the park for rookie 9 who are stronger, faster, more durable and have way more different techniques than any other character in Avatar. I never said a non avatar bender can pwn an avatar state bender. I just said Ozai would kill him before he enter the avatar state,seeing as he can't control it yet.



So you admit that the only thing you know how to do is try to limit Naruto's characters instead praise Avatar's character abilities. No I just pointed out your knowledge of avatr is inconsistent.

You don't even knew that Water Tribu of the Swap can manipulate mud through water bendingWut? because I din't mention it that means I didn't know? by that logic you don't grade school math because you haven't mentioned that yet....so what the fuck are you talking about. I seriously doubt you have ever seen Avatar because you are talking out of your ass. Probably you just read a summary on internet. Lol nice try.

Understand one thing...just because Avatar has more knowledge that every other bender in the world it doesn't mean he has ALL THE KNOWLEDGE...in fact...he can't....because even with multiple lives they didn't were trained by every single master or meet all the different people of each era who developed particular techniques like bending mud or plants.
Each avatar mastered all four elements, with years of hardwork and learning. When each master mastered the elements (i.e mastered not the rudimentary learning that aang is doing with a short time limit)

Therefore he knows a fuck ton amount. Now if an rookie aang and a rookie katra can bend clouds on a whim, and a general and a earth bending master can by extension the avatar can. You cannot dispute that fact.


See the fucking series.Again nice try.

You have no idea about Avatar. You haven't even see the series. Stop trolling using info from poor websites.A stupid assumption on your part.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Hmm

after reading Mr. Despairs post i must say....

http://www.mikedownscenter.org/upload/thumbnails/Win%20button.jpg

[Guy Gardner]

I fucking hate when people say this:

"Even though we haven't seen him do it, it doesn't mean he can't..."

Yes, until the moment he does it, it does. Otherwise Sasuke can alter time and space because "even though we haven't seen it, we don't know he can't!

You can't make up shit because "He's the avatar!" Have we ever seen them create these sorts of things before? Or use the fucking range? God help me, I don't remember him ever creating an F5 Tornado or any of that shit before. Boiling sand? When the hell has he shown anything like that? Does everyone get to make up powers, or is it simply the Avatar fans?

[Grandmaster Kane]

I fucking hate when people say this:

"Even though we haven't seen him do it, it doesn't mean he can't..."

Yes, until the moment he does it, it does. Otherwise Sasuke can alter time and space because "even though we haven't seen it, we don't know he can't!

You can't make up shit because "He's the avatar!" Have we ever seen them create these sorts of things before? Or use the fucking range? God help me, I don't remember him ever creating an F5 Tornado or any of that shit before. Boiling sand? When the hell has he shown anything like that? Does everyone get to make up powers, or is it simply the Avatar fans?

First off
boiling sand? I must have missed that in avatar class.... anway

the reason i say there is no proff he cant is because it is completely logical unlike your sasuke can stop time analogy.

He has shown to be able to do everything ive said to a lesser extent. So it isnt must of a strencth to say he can do it especailly considering we havent seen the avatars full power yet.

Can i have my foot back? It is lodged pretty far up your ass.

[Guy Gardner]

First off
boiling sand? I must have missed that in avatar class.... anway

Mr. Despair said it first. You seem to agree with him, or at least mimic his ridiculous power extrapolation.

the reason i say there is no proff he cant is because it is completely logical unlike your sasuke can stop time analogy.

That's the no-limits fallacy. We've seen Sharingan powerful enough to create universes in which only the user is in absolute control of reality, where three days can pass in only a second. Why can't he extend that out?

Just because you can do one thing does not mean you can do everything else. It's a no-limits fallacy.

How about this: Because a minivan can go 100 miles per hour doesn't mean it can go 200 mile per hour. You can't extrapolate such ridiculous feats without any proof. Just because they can do a much, much, much lesser forms of them doesn't mean that when he becomes more powerful he can do these sorts of things. We have to wait and find out, not blindly make up fanfiction because we want Avatar to win.

He has shown to be able to do everything ive said to a lesser extent. So it isnt must of a strencth to say he can do it especailly considering we havent seen the avatars full power yet.

That doesn't mean he can, though. "More powerful" doesn't automatically mean that he can suddenly go to creating earthquakes and lightning storms and hurricanes and other shit that we've never seen any hint of being able to occur.

Can i have my foot back? It is lodged pretty far up your ass.

If you're looking for it you can find it in your mouth, you moron. Just because a person can do something doesn't mean you can stupidly extend that as far as you want to win an argument.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Mr. Despair said it first. You seem to agree with him, or at least mimic his ridiculous power extrapolation.


Whatever


That's the no-limits fallacy. We've seen Sharingan powerful enough to create universes in which only the user is in absolute control of reality, where three days can pass in only a second. Why can't he extend that out?

First of all No limits fallacy implies just that. NO LIMITS!. I never once said he was limitless.

And as far and the sharingon thing is concerned is because it isnt real it is only a illusion. A illusion when has been shown to be EXTREMELY taxing for the weilder.


Just because you can do one thing does not mean you can do everything else. It's a no-limits fallacy.


I didnt imply "everything else". Everything i said has been shown to a sufficient extend.


How about this: Because a minivan can go 100 miles per hour doesn't mean it can go 200 mile per hour. You can't extrapolate such ridiculous feats without any proof. Just because they can do a much, much, much lesser forms of them doesn't mean that when he becomes more powerful he can do these sorts of things. We have to wait and find out, not blindly make up fanfiction because we want Avatar to win.

A minivan can go 200 mph (given the proper parts and driving)


That doesn't mean he can, though. "More powerful" doesn't automatically mean that he can suddenly go to creating earthquakes and lightning storms and hurricanes and other shit that we've never seen any hint of being able to occur.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME! Do you even watch the show? Re-wacth the second season then come back when you have ground to stand on.


If you're looking for it you can find it in your mouth, you moron. Just because a person can do something doesn't mean you can stupidly extend that as far as you want to win an argument.
No my foot isnt in my mouth. That was only a illusion by my no limit sharingon. It is really still in your ass.

And if you have to resort to petty insults it is pretty obvious you lost and have nothing of merit to say.

[Guy Gardner]

Whatever

Thanks for your great response!

First of all No limits fallacy implies just that. NO LIMITS!. I never once said he was limitless.

God, you're a fucking moron. "No Limits" implies that we aren't already seeing the limit and thusly we can extrapolate it to wherever we want to. That's what YOU'RE doing. Extrapolating to where you want to because we don't yet know the limit.

And as far and the sharingon thing is concerned is because it isnt real it is only a illusion. A illusion when has been shown to be EXTREMELY taxing for the weilder.

Congratulations for seizing on the least salient part of my post.

I didnt imply "everything else". Everything i said has been shown to a sufficient extend.

No, no it hasn't. We've never seen anything on the level you are describing. You can't just say "OMG F5 TORNADO FOR VICTORY!" You're simply extrapolating too much.

A minivan can go 200 mph (given the proper parts and driving)

Way to completely avoid the question there.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME! Do you even watch the show? Re-wacth the second season then come back when you have ground to stand on.

Remind me where someone makes something even close to an F5 Tornado.

Or better yet, play with proof and actually show me where they do anything that you listed.

No my foot isnt in my mouth. That was only a illusion by my no limit sharingon. It is really still in your ass.

And if you have to resort to petty insults it is pretty obvious you lost and have nothing of merit to say.

No, it's because I've seen this so many times and when proof is asked for, all you can say is "No, but we've seen lesser things and..."

That's not a defense. You can't extrapolate however much you want to make your character win. If you want to win, bring proof, not stupid wishes.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Thanks for your great response!


My pleasure



God, you're a fucking moron. "No Limits" implies that we aren't already seeing the limit and thusly we can extrapolate it to wherever we want to. That's what YOU'RE doing. Extrapolating to where you want to because we don't yet know the limit.

No what i am doing is making LOGICAL extrapolations. There is a difference between logical extrapolation and no limits fallacy. The fact you cant tell the difference show truly how narrow minded you are and how small your window of comprehension is.


Congratulations for seizing on the least salient part of my post.

If you do feel a point is valid dont include it.



No, no it hasn't. We've never seen anything on the level you are describing. You can't just say "OMG F5 TORNADO FOR VICTORY!" You're simply extrapolating too much.

Nobody is that blind.... please tell me hes kidding



Way to completely avoid the question there.

There was no question only a statement
Questions have question marks



Remind me where someone makes something even close to an F5 Tornado.

Or better yet, play with proof and actually show me where they do anything that you listed.


Any time ang gets pissed...


No, it's because I've seen this so many times and when proof is asked for, all you can say is "No, but we've seen lesser things and..."

That's not a defense. You can't extrapolate however much you want to make your character win. If you want to win, bring proof, not stupid wishes.
Again with the insult

you are just lowering your already tarnished image and your diminished credibility

[Red]

Mr. Despair said it first. You seem to agree with him, or at least mimic his ridiculous power extrapolation.
I concede the boiling, sand. He can bring fucking magma and roast them. same thing really. Before you start saying he can't watch "avatar Day" it clearly shows avatar kyoshi fucking doing it.



That's the no-limits fallacy. We've seen Sharingan powerful enough to create universes in which only the user is in absolute control of reality, where three days can pass in only a second. Why can't he extend that out? No limits fallacy? you must like taking things out of context. Would you say that zetsu can't throw kunais when every genin and his sister can regardless of whether he has or hasn't? Or don't you understand how certain techniques are prerequisites are needed to do a higher technique, if we've seen a character do the high level technique then it's safe to assume he can do the basics. If I see a man walking and say he learned to crawl first would you start shouting no limits?

Just because you can do one thing does not mean you can do everything else. It's a no-limits fallacy. If you can do the advanced you can pull off the basics.

How about this: Because a minivan can go 100 miles per hour doesn't mean it can go 200 mile per hour. You can't extrapolate such ridiculous feats without any proof. Just because they can do a much, much, much lesser forms of them doesn't mean that when he becomes more powerful he can do these sorts of things. We have to wait and find out, not blindly make up fanfiction because we want Avatar to win. Your comparison doesn't make sense. A better comparison is I say a car can move 200mph therefore he canmove 100mph then you rush in and start shouting fallacies right?

Fanficion and logic are two different things, Theres this thing called progression, I give you a set of numbers 1,2,3,5 logically 4 wold be te missing number right? thats the same principal I'm applying here.



That doesn't mean he can, though. "More powerful" doesn't automatically mean that he can suddenly go to creating earthquakes and lightning storms and hurricanes and other shit that we've never seen any hint of being able to occur. Avatar kyoshi split a fucking continent and she wasn't even in avatar form, avatar aang made a whirl pool stories high in his first encounter with zuko when fong threatened katara's life he made an earthquake that shook the whole camp, what I'm saying has happened in the cartoon, I shouldn't even have to explain this to you.

And yes more powerful doesn't mean he can do it, all knowledge of previous avatar masters means he can.



Just because a person can do something doesn't mean you can stupidly extend that as far as you want to win an argument.You mis understood the whole thing. I said if avatar roku can do advanced techniques there fore he can do the basics that every trained earthbender can. You take what I say and turn it backwards to suit your own point. Lol at your misunderstanding of the term no limits.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Mr. Despair brining the pain

nice

[Guy Gardner]

My pleasure

See, who says we can't have a pleasant exchange?

No what i am doing is making LOGICAL extrapolations. There is a difference between logical extrapolation and no limits fallacy. The fact you cant tell the difference show truly how narrow minded you are and how small your window of comprehension is.

No, you're not. You're making gross extrapolations. If we haven't seen it, then he hasn't done it. You can't just suddenly make up things that we haven't seen.

If you do feel a point is valid dont include it.

It was a valid point, because it's the same sort of thing. Gross extrapolation of a power. You seized on it, and yet you didn't understand you're doing the same thing.

Nobody is that blind.... please tell me hes kidding

Are you suggesting that no ones doing it, or that they are right in doing it and I'm just stupid? Because

they all get flung to space by an f5 hurricane

Admittedly, he's not quite a bright bulb beforehand, as he said F5 Hurricane and there's no such thing as an F5 Hurricane, and hurricanes don't fling upwards, and... well, there's a lot of real weird things in that statement there. But that's just an example which can be seen across a lot of Avatar threads.

There was no question only a statement
Questions have question marks

*Sigh*

Well, I guess you have do me there. Perhaps I should have said that you completely missed the point, or just added another hundred miles.

Any time ang gets pissed...

I've never seen anything close to an F5 Tornado when gets pissed. You know what an F5 Tornado is, right? It's not close to the little whirlwinds this show likes to run around with.

Again with the insult

Well, be happy that it's not against you, but the fanfiction that you and so many who support Avatar here like to create.

you are just lowering your already tarnished image and your diminished credibility

I'm sorry, but I'm not the one doing the crazy extrapolations of the Avatarverse here, I'm just asking for people to present when they actually did this stuff or stop making stuff up. And I didn't realize I had a tarnished image, but then again, perhaps it's because I live in the real world and don't pay too much attention to such things.

And, if you note, I didn't actually make a pick in this battle. This concept of using a character next to no feats is stupid in and of itself. Extrapolating where we think they should be is stupid, because everyone has an opinion on that. My frustration lies with this ridiculous extrapolation that seems to only really happen with the Avatarverse.

[Ion]

vagnard and Gecko4lif, bring down the tone of your posts.

[Banhammer]

First, my point
f5 tree riping hurricanes are shown by Avatar Yanchen or whatever was the name of the last airbender
Next person saying that Chouji can sp33dbl1tz!!11! avatar Roku, a guy that has mastered four difrent kinds of kung fu, and has AoA level technique that would drain the life of a kage needs to be stoped taken seriously.
Second, none of them can walk through lava. Yes, this was an explictly stated feat, cutscene to the avatar state, plus there is kyochi doin't it and everything. Even trying to float through lava (can't believe I'm entretaining the tought) would result in melting all the same.
Third when Roku reaches AS, he gets all the expierience of all previous avatars, and since he has the AoE powers to back them up, every feat ever shown in Avatar from any bender is considered his aswell. With the exception of Toph's "vision" and metalbending and thunder redirecton. No reason why someone at master level can do stuff someone at a level beneath him in the same art.

Why do none of the rookie 9 can beat him?
First, f5 hurricane completly nullifies all speed. I could end this right here and say wind blades all around, decapitate anything in a mile radius. But let's slow this down, I have three more elements to go through.
That much force of hurricane is quite more than enough to beat people that get wtfpwned to a wall with wind jutsu's at genin temari level.
And he does not tire.
Earthbending makes it impossible for chouji to make it pass the first yard. take ino out as well. using her as a factor in this battle is insulting.
Waterbending field traps(I could freeze all of them to death right here, but what the heck) shikamaru, kills all of shino's bugs, pwns hinata after hurricane earthquake and icefront.
Lavafield
sakura get's thunderzaped and dies right there. if she movves, thunderzap again. Sasuke can try one of two things, his slow ass flight, and gets airbent and thunderzapped to hell, or summon more snakes to sacrifice their lives for him, and try to walk on the corpses, for the short shelter.
They both fail on account of hurricane shielding giving him no speed an no flyng air.
Naruto
Naruto has been long dead without KN4 so it comes down to these.
Why roku wins this it has been debated on other threads.
But for shorts let's just say he's sent beneath the earth with lava, so as soon as the body burns out, he dies quickly out of lava melting

[thegoodjae]

YOur comment makes no sense because you never talk of Roku's speed or show any sped feats. All those are useless if he can't attack or track his opponents. He showed nothing but an average humans speed so he loses. No, you gotta realise, by the time he is able to move his hand for a second, not even being able to bend completely, he will die.

[helpmenow316]

Ok the whole boiling sand thing is pointless...Since Roku would be able to control lava... So If anything..He can just bring up lava and incase them with that...
Also he would be able to do it for the fact that water + fire+ sand = boiling sand...
Also ruko can easily bend the air and water out of the rookie 9. Killing them in a heart beat...
Which has been shown in the trading cards.

Also Rookie 9 wouldnt be able to touch him.. With his powers he can easily gain some real ground on the rookie...Even gara wouldnt be able to use his sand against him.... he also would be able to turn his sand in to rock like toph did... Any weapons that are thrown at him can easliy be melted and deflected.

Even more on blood lust....There is so much shit they can do..Which they cant show on a KIDS SHOW. With full control of all the elements...Your powers are limitless.

[helpmenow316]

YOur comment makes no sense because you never talk of Roku's speed or show any sped feats. All those are useless if he can't attack or track his opponents. He showed nothing but an average humans speed so he loses. No, you gotta realise, by the time he is able to move his hand for a second, not even being able to bend completely, he will die.First he wouldnt need to be super fast..Plus i think for the fact that he control wind he can pretty much fly something that none of the 9 can do...

If gaara try to keep up with him..All he has to do is turn the sand in to rock or other parts of earth....

Roku can easily sink an island...killing all of them... Plus just think of the limitless possibility...

[Banhammer]

I did not need to mention any big Roku speed feats, because I nullified all of the others speed with airbending
But, fine, here goes a speed feat
The time it takes for roku "above peak human agility" to wave his arms

at helpmenow
gaara isn't in this
though Roku would win

[Guy Gardner]

I'd like to get back to this eventually (When I can actually get the right clips and SEE to make sure, as I'm on a dialup), but just to say: Do you know how hard it would be to bring up magma/lava? If I remember correctly, they simply controlled it, right? Never created it?

Or are we fighting near near a lava flow? I can understand how that might be useful if you're near it, but you can't just bring magma up. That's a lot deeper than you might think, and I don't think you could bend lava fast enough to bring it up to catch them.

[Banhammer]

magma flow gives me an excuse to not say this ends with hurricane taking their speed away, and airblades+lightning+waterblades=headless rookies

[Red]

I'd like to get back to this eventually (When I can actually get the right clips and SEE to make sure, as I'm on a dialup), but just to say: Do you know how hard it would be to bring up magma/lava? If I remember correctly, they simply controlled it, right? Never created it?
Or are we fighting near near a lava flow? I can understand how that might be useful if you're near it, but you can't just bring magma up. That's a lot deeper than you might think, and I don't think you could bend lava fast enough to bring it up to catch them.
yeah your right they never created it, all they did was open the earths crust (no joke or exaggeration) and split a chunk of the contenant.

Heres the link if you want to verify

http://tv-links.co.uk/listings/3/179

Youtube doesn't have full episodes plus they all have crappy lincon park music.

[helpmenow316]

I'd like to get back to this eventually (When I can actually get the right clips and SEE to make sure, as I'm on a dialup), but just to say: Do you know how hard it would be to bring up magma/lava? If I remember correctly, they simply controlled it, right? Never created it?

Or are we fighting near near a lava flow? I can understand how that might be useful if you're near it, but you can't just bring magma up. That's a lot deeper than you might think, and I don't think you could bend lava fast enough to bring it up to catch them.

First thing by mixing elements he can make lava... Also Lava flows all over the plant and yea some places are deeper then others..But still He can taps in to it.

Also it doesnt matter roku will win no matter what..not just with fire bending..What he can do is limitless.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PE4KfQOG0Zg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJRe4Zj5lRM he metaled a part of the floor making it to lava..and this is when he was already dead....

Also think about it.. If ang can make himself in to a water demon monster thing,....Roku can do the samething with fire..how the hell would they put him out?

[thegoodjae]

I already told him all that but he wouldn't listen. I told him of them not being able to create lava, and that there is no lava near but he wouldn't listen.

Chouji moved faster than Roku as a genin.
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first pill.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27909

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27910

Earth shield is useless

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27917

This kills Roku one shot. He can not fire, earth, water, or air bend his life out this one.


http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27986

This guy is fast but then Chouji...

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27992

Is fricken faster than that guy by alot. DId you see that? His super human ninja eyes and reaction can not even react to Chouji. What is normal Roku going to do?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27993

Strongest form of Chouji.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27994


He blocked a punch from a guy that did this.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27919

1000 Air benders wouldn't be able to lift that much.



http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27972


He is 100 times as more powerful


http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27995

This guy is scared.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27997

Good thing ROku dies by a Sasuke speedblitz before this speedblitz by fat chouji.

[Banhammer]

^nice lava vids

[Shoddragon]

First thing by mixing elements he can make lava... Also Lava flows all over the plant and yea some places are deeper then others..But still He can taps in to it.

Also it doesnt matter roku will win no matter what..not just with fire bending..What he can do is limitless.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PE4KfQOG0Zg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJRe4Zj5lRM he metaled a part of the floor making it to lava..and this is when he was already dead....

Also think about it.. If ang can make himself in to a water demon monster thing,....Roku can do the samething with fire..how the hell would they put him out?

shukaku mother fucking curbstomps with wind nuke. gaara creates desert of sand and throws it at him and kills him.

Gaara sinks him under ground and he cannot move his arms so no bending watsoever. the end.

[thegoodjae]

Shukaka isn't in this or Gaara. Chouji is enough though, as I already proved.

[Banhammer]

at shodragon

gaara isn't on this fight
But I'm pretty confident he can die if he falls to a pit of lava
plus, if that airbending feat ryoku showed is not enough to proove he could counter airbullet is certainly more than plenty to proove he can redirect it

[helpmenow316]

I already told him all that but he wouldn't listen. I told him of them not being able to create lava, and that there is no lava near but he wouldn't listen.

Chouji moved faster than Roku as a genin.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27887

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27888

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27889

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27890



http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27903

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27904

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27905
first pill.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27909

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27910

Earth shield is useless

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27917

This kills Roku one shot. He can not fire, earth, water, or air bend his life out this one.


http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27986

This guy is fast but then Chouji...

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27992

Is fricken faster than that guy by alot. DId you see that? His super human ninja eyes and reaction can not even react to Chouji. What is normal Roku going to do?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27993

Strongest form of Chouji.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27994


He blocked a punch from a guy that did this.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27919

1000 Air benders wouldn't be able to lift that much.



http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27972


He is 100 times as more powerful


http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27995

This guy is scared.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume22big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27997

Good thing ROku dies by a Sasuke speedblitz before this speedblitz by fat chouji.How cant ruko cant take down a over grown choji...He is freaking huge.... Which means if he lose the ground he standing on..His fucked. Also he can bring out water wind and even just burn his ass alive....

F

shukaku mother fucking curbstomps with wind nuke. gaara creates desert of sand and throws it at him and kills him.

Gaara sinks him under ground and he cannot move his arms so no bending watsoever. the end.Am pretty sure roku powers over the elements is a hell of allot stronger then theres... gara try to use sand he makes the sand in to rock..Some thing he cant bend unless he smash it in to sand...Which once again..Can be cancled by water...

Wind..... Roku can just send the wind stright back to them.... Hell roku farts they all dead.

[Shoddragon]

at shodragon

gaara isn't on this fight
But I'm pretty confident he can die if he falls to a pit of lava
plus, if that airbending feat ryoku showed is not enough to proove he could counter airbullet is certainly more than plenty to proove he can redirect it

have you seen the air bullets velocity? gamabunta BARELY dodged the first one. plus he cannot airbend anything that big or fast enough as it is ridiculously beyond human speed ( the wind nuke).

[Guy Gardner]

yeah your right they never created it, all they did was open the earths crust (no joke or exaggeration) and split a chunk of the contenant.

Heres the link if you want to verify

http://tv-links.co.uk/listings/3/179

Youtube doesn't have full episodes plus they all have crappy lincon park music.

Yeah. On a dial-up, it's frustrating trying to find these feats since it's been a while since I've watched the show.

God, are those all the episodes? I forgot how short this show was...

First thing by mixing elements he can make lava... Also Lava flows all over the plant and yea some places are deeper then others..But still He can taps in to it.

That's asking a lot. Heating stone and sustaining is a lot harder than you think. I have serious doubts that he could create lava, or at least create it quick enough to use. And regardless

Also it doesnt matter roku will win no matter what..not just with fire bending..What he can do is limitless.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PE4KfQOG0Zg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJRe4Zj5lRM he metaled a part of the floor making it to lava..and this is when he was already dead....

Also think about it.. If ang can make himself in to a water demon monster thing,....Roku can do the samething with fire..how the hell would they put him out?

I'll check those tomorrow. Again, it's hopeless when you have a (slow by anyone's standards) dialup.

[helpmenow316]

His powers is above human powers... If a 40 ton toad was able to get out of the way...Am pretty sure roku can think of something...

[thegoodjae]

Your argument was terrible. The huge chouji basically crushes Roku. ROku never shown to be able to move fast enough to dogde an instant hugeness of that. Do you seriously think Roku wouldn't be crushed? How, seriously, don't say crap, show me feats.

[Banhammer]

They don't have prep time so that kicks all of the pills feats out of here.
roku kicks chouki fatass back home with a single earthblow from behind, easier than playing soccer
and her I am paciently repeating myself
massive airbending blocks speedblitz (not to mention pushes them all to next providence, or slices their heads open)

[Tash]

Actually on the crushing issue, woudn't really work if Roku bent himself underground like he did here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWeJYwIH-Zw)

[thegoodjae]

That crap doesnt matter as Chouji still crushs him, its pretty much instant.

They have a mile worth of prep time Fourth.

Massive airbending makes Roku not get rapestomped but curbstomp.

That is the only difference.

[Banhammer]

^he didn't use a whim of his power (and if ya'll notice firelord sent a techique bigger than any katon ever shown) because he intended to let the firelord live

[Tash]

That crap doesnt matter as Chouji still crushs him, its pretty much instant.

They have a mile worth of prep time Fourth.

Massive airbending makes Roku not get rapestomped but curbstomp.

That is the only difference.

*sigh* I swore I'd stay away from this shit.:arg How is his attack in an instant? Care to show any proof?

[Banhammer]

so, with a mile worth of prep, chouji runs home and gets his pills?
yeah, I can play that game
Roku slices his head of with airblade
gameover

[thegoodjae]

*sigh* I swore I'd stay away from this shit.:arg How is his attack in an instant? Care to show any proof?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27916
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27917

Uhh, instant went wanted? I proved it all my other scans but uhh..obviously you think you can debate even without looking at my hard efforts. Thanks for making me those for nothing.

[Tash]

And from those two panels how do you figure it happened in an instant? If it happened in an instant Chouji would not have had time to yell.

[Tash]

You can't prove it's instant and my debating skills suck? Where does it say jutsus are instant then?

[thegoodjae]

Your debating skills suck because you have no proof, I do, and that jutsu is instant. That is why he popped up from the sky, and he crushed the land all at once. If he gradually grew, it would have not been that way. I wish you could see past your biased.

[Tash]

I'm asking you to show evidence that it's in an instant, but you reply with repeated flaming. Panels are frame to frame meaning you need some type of reference within the manga to prove it's instant. Thats two BTW 1 more will get you a ban and I'll personally PM Haterade about it.

[Banhammer]

At swajio
with the ignore up, it's like watching you debate an imaginary friend

[thegoodjae]

That is why he popped up from the sky, and he crushed the land all at once. If he gradually grew, it would have not been that way.

That means it is instant? Sorry for getting mean but you are asking questions common sense should answer.

[Tash]

And why can't Roku tunnel underground while he is charging down at him? That doesn't mean it's instant BTW it's simply how the mangaka drew the damage.

[helpmenow316]

Yeah. On a dial-up, it's frustrating trying to find these feats since it's been a while since I've watched the show.

God, are those all the episodes? I forgot how short this show was...



That's asking a lot. Heating stone and sustaining is a lot harder than you think. I have serious doubts that he could create lava, or at least create it quick enough to use. And regardless



I'll check those tomorrow. Again, it's hopeless when you have a (slow by anyone's standards) dialup.
if you think how powerful he is..It not that hard to make lava or to melt stones.. Thats the whole point of bending is to change the elelment in to other type of the same one... Katara can make ice/mist with water bending...
toph can turn sand in to rock and even can bend metal..something that havent yet been shown.... fire nations can use lightning....

Think about it... With roku power he can make a hell of a natural disaster pretty damn easy..He can cause hurricanes flood he has caused volcanoes to erupted and he can cause earth quakes.... There is nothing that nature can do that roku cant....

[thegoodjae]

And why can't Roku tunnel underground while he is charging down at him? That doesn't mean it's instant BTW it's simply how the mangaka drew the damage.

Uhh, that basically saying I don't want to accept that art and what it represents.

Roku can't because it is inistant and gravity pulling down on a mass like that would drop so fast that even Neji wouldn't be able to react, much less Roku.

[helpmenow316]

king bumi was able to travel thro the earth..IF a normal Earthbender can do that..There is no reason why roku cant..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wwtyjNGb1_Y&mode=related&search= watch the last few min of it....

[helpmenow316]

also just because you don't want accept something doesn't make it a lie.. If you going to be posting here you have to accept people powers.

[Tash]

Apparently Jirobou could react otherwise Chouji would have fallen on his head, and most likely break his neck. As for your instant argument, I don't see how the way it crushed the trees means it happened in an instant. Whether it happened in an instant or not, the trees would have been pushed back either way. And the fact that there are panels of Jirobou making facial expressions showing shock between the time Chouji starts the jutsu and finishes it shows that it is not instant.

[thegoodjae]

Apparantly Jiroubou got crushed, but lifted him up.

EDIT I know King BUmi can go under earht, just not fast enough.

[Tash]

Ok what about the other part of my argument?

[thegoodjae]

Uhh, it made no sense?

Look, lets just call it quits. Both of us won't budge. Wanna just let this thread die? I don't feel like flaming when I can't even get my point across and you must feel the same. Call it quits?

[Banhammer]

I'm even willing to accept that it happened in an instant, and that for some reason chouji has prep and pills, if that makes him accept that doing so uterly imobilizes chouji, that roku could sink just as fast, and then came back and slice his head open

[thegoodjae]

I was thinking eat it, then run to bumi and when he sees bumi, then use it but awell.

Lets call it quits due to noone budging.

[Red]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27916
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27917

Uhh, instant went wanted? I proved it all my other scans but uhh..obviously you think you can debate even without looking at my hard efforts. Thanks for making me those for nothing.
Chouji is not with a food pill, there fore he doesn't have the chakra to multisize.

Stop spouting half truths.

[thegoodjae]

Every clan member of his carries them around.

Anyways, seriously, I am trying to be nice here, lets call it quits, you guys and me won't budge at all.

[Tash]

OK I'll break it down for you then:
here (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume21big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=27916)

In this panel we see Chouji start his jutsu with a hand sign, before Jirobou gets crushed he has time to widen his eyelids in the panel, eliminating all eligibility of his jutsu being instant, because if it was, Jirobou would have been crushed before he could move his body in the slightest.

[Red]

Every clan member of his carries them around.

Show a scan where thats stated than I'll concede.

[thegoodjae]

I thought he did it same time as using the jutsu or before, another thing we can talk of.

I am out seriously though, you guys won't budge, I won't lets call it quits.
EDIT

Considering it is the clan secret, I am sure every clan member has one. Chouji at least, who is important, carries them.

[Banhammer]

np they don't, it clearly states that it's a secret weapon taken only for emergencies

[helpmenow316]

Your argument was terrible. The huge chouji basically crushes Roku. ROku never shown to be able to move fast enough to dogde an instant hugeness of that. Do you seriously think Roku wouldn't be crushed? How, seriously, don't say crap, show me feats.Have you seen how fast Ang can move??? All of them have the same damn powers...Plus all choji did was sat on the guy...Am pretty sure Roku isnt dumb enough to let someone do that.. Plus not only that he can just sink in to the earth and move away.

Dont you understand that he control every element on the planet which humans are made up from in one way or the other... He can drain the water right from other people body and stop people from breathing...

(they haven't shown it in the cartoon but they have in the trading cards.)\

That crap doesnt matter as Chouji still crushs him, its pretty much instant.

They have a mile worth of prep time Fourth.

Massive airbending makes Roku not get rapestomped but curbstomp.

That is the only difference. You dont watch the show d oyou???? It not just about the airbending he has full control of...

Blue fire
Blue firebending.
Blue firebending.

Blue firebending is a powerful and advanced technique. As of yet, it has been expressed solely by the prodigious Princess Azula. Blue fire naturally appears to be much hotter than the normal red and orange flames the bending art normally produces, and carries with it a concussive force. With blue fire, a Firebender is able to pulverize solid rock with compact fireballs and can cleanly slice or pierce through various other solid objects with fiery wisps.

[edit] Breath of fire
Iroh demonstrating the Breath of Fire.
Iroh demonstrating the Breath of Fire.

Resembling a dragon breathing out flames, the breath of fire is a technique that involves the user firebending out of his or her mouth. The breath of fire has been exhibited by multiple individuals, including Fire Lord Ozai,[6] Iroh,[7] Prince Zuko,[8] and Aang while in the Avatar State within a dream.[9] It was the employment of this firebending style in the midst of battle that earned war veteran Iroh his nickname, "The Dragon of the West,"[7] and it is alluded that it was from his uncle where Zuko learned how to use his own breath of fire. With its wide, encompassing range of fire, the technique allows for staving off multiple opponents and is also shown to be able to instantaneously warm the body even under extremely cold temperatures.[10]

According to director audio commentary, the "breath of fire" is inspired by an actual Kundalini yoga move called Agni-Prasana, where the oxygen is pulled in and pumped out very rhythmically like pumping bellows. The process is powered by abdominal contractions and used to cleanse and energize the body.

[edit] Lightning
Azula generating electricity.
Azula generating electricity.

Each of the four bending disciplines contain a special sub-skill unique only to certain members of each element. Also known as "the cold-blooded fire", certain powerful Firebenders are able to generate and manipulate lightning. Mentally, it involves a complete absence of emotion and peace of mind, and physically it requires separating the energies of yin and yang (also an interpretation of positive and negative electric charge). When the forces collide, the bender only guides, rather than controls, the lightning's direction. Because of this complexity, a lightning attack takes much longer to initiate than standard fire attacks.

Generating lightning involves a circular motion with the arms. Only a select few have this power; so far the only Firebenders in the series who have demonstrated the ability to actively generate lightning are Azula and Iroh. Iroh, in a technique developed after observing the energy re-directing techniques of Waterbending, is able to redirect the course of lightning strikes by absorbing it through one arm, guiding it through his stomach, and out his other arm. Zuko has expressed a desire to learn these abilities, but his emotional turmoil is preventing him from successfully creating lightning.

Re-directing lightning was first demonstrated by Iroh in "The Storm." Creating Lightning was first demonstrated by Azula in "The Avatar State." In "Bitter Work", Iroh teaches Zuko how to redirect lightning, but he refuses to let Zuko practice this technique with real lightning.




[/QUOTE]Plus keep in mind he has a kick ass dragon.

[helpmenow316]

Waterbending is based on the style of Tai Chi, which is a martial art that features slow movements and elegant forms that evoke the feel of flowing water.[2] Waterbending's strength is its defensive capabilities. Unlike some other bending disciplines, Waterbending's defensive maneuvers focus on control through turning an opponent's own strength against him, rather than directly harming the opponent. There are three known styles of Waterbending that have been shown in the series to date: Northern, Southern, and Foggy Swamp style.[3] Others may be revealed as the series progresses.

According to Iroh, water is the element of change. Waterbending provides a versatility of experience. The extent of the Waterbenders' power ranges from creating small, lashing whips and waves to massive tsunamis and walls of water. Waterbenders also possess thermokinetic abilities regarding their element, meaning that they can freeze, melt, evaporate or condense the water they manipulate at will.[4] Changing the phase of water allows for multiple techniques in the course of a battle, from encasing an opponent in ice to hiding behind a wall of mist. Waterbenders are also able to manipulate water pressure, allowing for techniques such as grabbing things and cutting through objects.[5] One high-level move suitable for a powerful Waterbender involves engendering and riding within a whirlpool-like pillar of water, nicknamed the "Water Snake", in accordance to the waterspout's constantly shifting and coiling movements.

Waterbending is the opposing bending art to Firebending. Like all the bending arts, Waterbending is balanced out as to not be more or less powerful than the other arts. The series has repeatedly illustrated that it's the skill and prowess of the user that determines victory.

[edit] Forms
Katara utilizing the Octopus form
Katara utilizing the Octopus form
A Waterbender manipulating the water within swamp vines
A Waterbender manipulating the water within swamp vines

Named forms within waterbending include the Octopus form, the Single Water Whip, the Water Drill, and Streaming the Water (developed by Katara).

A member of the Foggy Swamp Tribe, Huu, has illustrated that Waterbenders can manipulate the vines and roots of plants by bending the ample amount of water within them.[6]
Waterbending at its highest skill contains the most powerful technique among all the Bending Arts. At close range, an expert Waterbender literally uses an opponent's body against him by harnessing the ample amount of water within the human body to control his or her opponent like a puppet master.[7]

So far, the only times a weapon has been used with Waterbending is when Avatar Kyoshi uses her fans to create a wave in "Avatar Day," and in "The Earth King," when Aang used his staff to freeze water. It has been stated that, given their almost "Samurai-like" cutting techniques, a katana or a cane sword would be the best weapon suited for a Waterbender.[9]

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[helpmenow316]

Earthbending is generally based on the Hung Gar style of Kung Fu, which features heavily rooted stances and strong kicks and punches that evoke the mass and power of earth. The martial art is based on the movements of animals, including the tiger, which is utilized when initiating hard blows, and the crane, which is used to land gently back on the Earth. There are exceptions to this rule -- the blind Earthbender, Toph, uses a style based on Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu.[1] Unlike other bending disciplines, earthbending maintains a balance between offensive and defensive capabilities.[2]

Earthbending uses a balance of strength and defense to overwhelm opponents. Common attacks involve levitating nearby earth and stone, and propelling them at foes by way of a punching or kicking motion. A levitated slab of rock can also double as a shield when positioned in front of a Bender. Striking the ground with feet, fists, or hammers creates localized earthquakes or fissures to throw opponents off-balance. Earthbending Masters can turn the ground to quicksand to immobilize an enemy, or catapult into the air and soften the earth and ensure a safe landing. Some can tunnel through the earth to out-maneuver their foes. They are typically barefoot, presumably to increase their connection with the earth. Earthbenders have been known to use hammers and fans to augment their bending, and it has been stated that the Chinese great sword Dadao (heavy war sword, or literally "big knife") would also be best suited for a strong Earthbender.[3] Aang has also demonstrated Earthbending by wielding his Glider Staff. Some Earthbenders, such as Toph, can also create armor out of Earth. Avatar-Level Earthbenders can move hill size statues at will and even fracture landmasses, as demonstrated by Avatar Kyoshi in the episodes "The Avatar State" and "Avatar Day."
The Hung Gar Style of Earthbending
The Hung Gar Style of Earthbending

The principle of Jing is the essence of battle strategy, with a total of 85 possible actions. Positive Jing occurs when one chooses to fight while negative Jing is when one chooses to evade. The Earthbending discipline stresses Neutral Jing, which involves listening, waiting, and attacking at the right moment. King Bumi stresses this in his tactics against the Fire Nation.

Earthbending is not limited to rock or soil alone. An Earthbender can also manipulate coal (and possibly other fossilised materials), gems, crystals, and other earth-based material. Earthbenders also possess limited magnetic capabilities, allowing them to grasp vertical surfaces and cling unsupported to earthen structures.[4] Furthermore, Earthbenders with an especially strong awareness for earth, such as Toph, can also bend metal, as it still contains minute amounts of some unrefined earth. Her "sight" enables her to locate and target the small earth fragments that would go undetected by even the best Earthbenders.

Earthbending is the opposing bending art to Airbending. When first learning to Earthbend, the pupil must first learn confrontational tactics and familiarity with the brute strength necessary to work with earth. This contrasts with the emphasis of Airbenders on mobility and evasion.

Like all of the bending arts, Earthbending is balanced so as not to be more or less powerful than the other arts. The series has repeatedly illustrated that it's the skill and prowess of the user that determines victory.
are Earthbenders who have adapted to live in the Si Wong Desert. They utilize earthbending in a specialized style, which emphasizes the manipulation of sand. They move quickly in the desert on specialized wooden catamaran sailers that are propelled by bending miniature, localized sandstorms behind their sails. Because sand is sediment which travels in flows, their style resembles air- and waterbending more than earthbending. It is displayed that most, if not all, Earthbenders are capable of easily bending sand, though the Sandbenders of the Desert are especially proficient with it due to their particular habitat.

[edit] Metalbending
Toph, discovering the ability to Metalbend.
Toph, discovering the ability to Metalbend.

Metalbending is first hinted at by Aang in the episode The Drill when he sarcastically states "What I'd give to be a Metalbender," as he tries to make an indentation in a giant drill with Waterbending. The inability to bend metal is first demonstrated in Imprisoned when Earthbender prisoners, taken captive by the Fire Nation, are brought to a completely metal rig in the middle of the ocean. The Earthbenders' helplessness due to their situation is stressed several times in the episode.

Metalbending is a skill that, as of the end of Book 2: Earth, only Toph possesses. Most Earthbenders are unable to affect processed metals. Usually, the trace amount of earth still present in metal is so minute that it goes undetected even to the best Earthbenders. However, due to her ability to "see" earth, Toph is able to locate the small fragments of earth in metal, target them, and utilize them to "bend" the metal portion.

In the episode The Earth King, Toph is captured in a metal cage by Xin Fu and her former teacher, Master Yu. During the next episode, The Guru, she tries desperately to break the cage until one of her captors boasts that, even if she was the best Earthbender alive, it is impossible to bend metal. It is at that exact moment that Guru Pathik is explaining to Aang about the light chakra and how it is blocked by illusion. He goes on to explain that it is an illusion that the four nations are different, or that air is any different from earth, and also how even metal ultimately is simply just earth that has been purified and refined. Toph realizes this herself and starts meditating on her cage trying to feel the vibrations of the trace amounts of earth in the metal. She then utilizes these traces of earth to escape and trap her captors within the cage.

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[helpmenow316]

Airbending is based on the Ba Gua style of martial arts with a small hint of Hsing Yi, also known as "mind heart boxing."[3] These martial arts feature swift, evasive maneuvers that evoke the intangibility and explosive power of wind, drawing energy from the center of the abdomen. Ba Gua, which utilizes circle walking, is known for its constantly circular movement, which makes it difficult for opponents to attack directly. Maneuvers employ the entire body with smooth coiling and uncoiling movements, utilizing dynamic footwork, open-hand techniques, and throws. Ba Gua, with its soft, flowing movements and method of turning an opponent's energy against him, bears some resemblance to T'ai Chi, but tends to be more spontaneous and dynamic overall. Unlike other bending disciplines, airbending lacks fatal finishing moves, being an almost entirely defensive art.[4]

By using circular, evasive movements, Airbenders build up massive inertia; this buildup of energy is released with massive power. It also allows for wind-based counterattacks that knock opponents off-balance, mimicking the wind itself which transforms, coalesces, or disperses when coming close to being subdued. Attacks vary from simple gusts of wind to miniature tornadoes and cyclones. A common defensive tactic is to circle enemies, suddenly changing direction when attacked and deflecting as needed by throwing up gusts of air as a shield. Airbenders enhance their movement in battle, and can run swiftly by decreasing wind resistance, jump high and far by conjuring gusts of wind, slow falls by creating cushions of air, and even sprint across or up vertical surfaces by generating a wind current behind themselves.[5] Master Airbenders can create vortices to entrap and disorient opponents, as well as massively destructive whirlwinds.[6] Avatar-Level Airbenders can create massive tornadoes and hurricanes at will. Unlike other nations, who only rarely use weapons with their bending, Airbenders commonly use their signature staffs to augment their powers in battle.[7] Metal fans can also be used in combination with airbending.

Airbending is the most passive of the four arts, as many of its techniques center around evading and eluding the opponent and is the opposing bending art to Earthbending. While the Airbenders avoid or deflect oncoming attacks, Earthbenders absorb them, or overwhelm them with superior force.

Like all of the bending arts, Airbending is balanced out as to not be more or less powerful than the other arts. The series has repeatedly illustrated that it's the skill and prowess of the user that determines victory..............

[helpmenow316]

The Glider

Aang possesses a portable staff that can mechanically transform into a small glider. These staffs/gliders are hand-carved and crafted by Airbender monks.[8]

In glider form, Aang can use it in conjunction with bending to hover and even fly as long as he has the strength to maintain his airbending. As a normal staff, it can be used as a weapon in battle, to aid in bending, and even as a levitation aid when spun above the head like a helicopter propeller. unfortunatley, the glider is destroyed in The Awakening

[edit] The Air Scooter

The Air Scooter, a form of ground transportation invented by Aang himself, is a spherical "ball" of air that one can ride. In a flashback in the episode, The Storm, Aang tries to teach this move to his Airbending friends. They all fail, at first, but eventually they master the art and develop a game that requires the air scooter to play. Aang says one must balance on it like a top. He has used the technique in many episodes, usually to overcome vertical surfaces, including in The Drill in order to run up the wall of Ba Sing Se. The Air Scooter is also shown to be capable of levitating in the air. The Air Scooter first appeared in, "The Avatar Returns", where Aang uses it to escape Zuko's ship. It was Aang's invention of this technique that subsequently earned him his tattoos and title of a master at such a young age.

Also keep in minds that Avatar Kyoshi was able to split a island in two with little out any problems....

[Banhammer]

I feel insulted for that remark
I could reread my posts and make myself>9000 :vegetant

[Tash]

I'm elite. :del

just kidding dudes

[The Pink Ninja]

Roku.

As I recall Avatar Kyoshi could move whole continents and devestate armies without breaking a sweat so the whole Narutoverse wouldn't be a problem for her so long as they don't get the first hit in.

[Tash]

Hey hold on now, LT, and Rild stop that before it gets too serious now, I don't like where this is going.

[Ion]

asdf .

[Wuzzman]

Lol, I wish people stop talking about speed blitzing avatar characters. Air benders can sense the displacement of the wind, The best Earth benders can feel the vibration of the earth. Fire and Water benders probably has preception based on chi. No way the Avatar wouldn't know instinctly, by at least one of the extra senses, that some is rushing at him.

[Banhammer]

what? that wasn't flaming or flameb8'ing!

And wuzzman, there has never been stated that airbenders can sense air displacement, don0t make my side look bad!
He does not need to feel them, he knows they are caming, major airbending cuts their speed off,

[Ion]

what? that wasn't flaming or flameb8'ing!Indeed... but it was spam.

And wuzzman, there has never been stated that airbenders can sense air displacement, don0t make my side look bad!Even normal humans can sense air displacement.

Shit, I can sense air displacement...

[Banhammer]

yes, but you can't predict other people's movements a mile away from the air they displace

[Ion]

Neither me nor Wuzzman said anything about distance.

[helpmenow316]

it doesnt matter roku can kill any one in naruto world...The fact that he can use them as puppets,...Shows he has the power to kill all of them...Hell he can just use the strongest ones as puppets and kill them off at the same time.

[Banhammer]

Matters very little
Roku wins via airblades

[Shoddragon]

it doesnt matter roku can kill any one in naruto world...The fact that he can use them as puppets,...Shows he has the power to kill all of them...Hell he can just use the strongest ones as puppets and kill them off at the same time.


I LOLed so hard at this. gai could kill him with 1 dynamic entry to teh face and is fast enough to hit him. sasuke is faster than gai who moves at around 300km/h. sasuke can make it all the way to kill bumi. speedblitz is teh idea dn thats what they can do. mass kage bunshins as well seeing as, o im sorry, unlike most avatar characters they DODGE AND JUMP HIGH.

[Wuzzman]

Sorry I got carried away with the airbending. it makes sense, especially for a avatar to feel changes in the air, since he bends it.

[Shoddragon]

Sorry I got carried away with the airbending. it makes sense, especially for a avatar to feel changes in the air, since he bends it.

so if I am able to bend a piece of metal I can "feel" ot miles away, makes perfect sense. o wait

[Banhammer]

Actually, toph can bend metal, and she can feel it miles away

[helpmenow316]

I LOLed so hard at this. gai could kill him with 1 dynamic entry to teh face and is fast enough to hit him. sasuke is faster than gai who moves at around 300km/h. sasuke can make it all the way to kill bumi. speedblitz is teh idea dn thats what they can do. mass kage bunshins as well seeing as, o im sorry, unlike most avatar characters they DODGE AND JUMP HIGH.
dude if he wanted to he can just set all of them on fire in first place... Rip all the air out of there body water too.... he control the freaking elements...
There is no speed blitz... In this... If roku wanted to he would just kill them before the fight starts... Plus how can he speed blitz roku when he can easily travel throw the earth.. with out even flinching...

roku can just boil all of them.....Hell if he really wanted he can boil them from the inside out.. Keep in mind...They cant show some things they can do in the show since it is A KIDS SHOW.. If it was an anime or an adult cartoon..Then we would be able to see allot more gore.

[Shoddragon]

dude if he wanted to he can just set all of them on fire in first place... Rip all the air out of there body water too.... he control the freaking elements...
There is no speed blitz... In this... If roku wanted to he would just kill them before the fight starts... Plus how can he speed blitz roku when he can easily travel throw the earth.. with out even flinching...

roku can just boil all of them.....Hell if he really wanted he can boil them from the inside out.. Keep in mind...They cant show some things they can do in the show since it is A KIDS SHOW.. If it was an anime or an adult cartoon..Then we would be able to see allot more gore.

saying what COULD BE IF it was an anime or manga is not justifying squat. and LOL @ boil them alive. travel through earth would not be very wise. first off, neji has byakugan. he can see bumi perfectly. 2ndly sakura. if bumi tries to go in close sakura punches the ground and he flies out.

speed, sasuke moves extremely fast with shunshin, and 5 gated lee ends this in a heartbeat since Bumi obviously is not good at seeing characters moving 50 times faster than he is. power: k4 blew up almost an entire forest with 1 attack, he screamed and it nearly killed everyone around him and created a crater, he punched the ground and it created a super huge shockwave that sent everyone flying back.

[helpmenow316]

lol neji powers are limited even tho it is powerful.... He can look at him all he wonts..It wont do good if he cant touch him...

Also i was just saying that they are limited by the fact that it is a Nick toon...

Think about everything the elements can do.... There is no way that a group of ninja can control someone who can control all of the elements plus the elements that leads in to those elements and so on.......Also keep in mind it takes them allot of time to be able to gain enough to open the gates and all that... ruko can fart and blow them away.

[Banhammer]

300kmh?
Gai is at the speed never reached by anything shorter than a rocket car?
I remember him having to run far less than three hundred clicks and taking far longer than that
Did you just pull this number of your ass, or do you use Fuujin as a research source?

Oh, and FYI, present posts when you have anything new to add, that can counter the fact that none of them pass through windblades, lava pits, or ice fronts

[Fuujin]

300kmh?
Gai is at the speed never reached by anything shorter than a rocket car?
I remember him having to run far less than three hundred clicks and taking far longer than that
Did you just pull this number of your ass, or do you use Fuujin as a research source?

Oh, and FYI, present posts when you have anything new to add, that can counter the fact that none of them pass through windblades, lava pits, or ice fronts
Are you questioning my reliability as a source? Especially when you tried (and failed) to counter my points about Narutoverse speed several times.

[Juubi]

Roku takes this, if they're that far apart.

[potential]

Rookie 9 via speedblitz. They are so many times faster than Roku it will be like killing fodder.

[Juubi]

Rookie 9 via speedblitz. They are so many times faster than Roku it will be like killing fodder.

Lol, did you not read the OP? They start a mile away, and Roku is bloodlusted. His elemental power is greater than anything they can cope with.

[Fuujin]

Lol, did you not read the OP? They start a mile away, and Roku is bloodlusted. His elemental power is greater than anything they can cope with.
Can he kill them in two seconds? Because if he knows where Roku is that's about as long as he has to live with Sasuke coming for him.

[helpmenow316]

Yes... He can set them on fire rip out air out of there lungs rip out all the water out of them....etc....

[Tash]

According to Fuujin, Sasuke is super duper hypersonic or something like that so, by his calculations, sasuke speedblitzes from a mile away.

[Juubi]

Can he kill them in two seconds? Because if he knows where Roku is that's about as long as he has to live with Sasuke coming for him.

Actually, yes. Yes, he can kill them in two seconds.

[Juubi]

According to Fuujin, Sasuke is super duper hypersonic or something like that so, by his calculations, sasuke speedblitzes from a mile away.

Lol, let's hope he doesn't bring out his Kyuubi. Diamond-slicing Sasuke is bad enough already.

[Fuujin]

According to Fuujin, Sasuke is super duper hypersonic or something like that so, by his calculations, sasuke speedblitzes from a mile away.
Do you have any idea how fast a nuke explosion goes? Do you realise that Sasuke basically outran one of these from ground zero over a short distance whilst low on energy and badly beaten up.

A mile is no problem. Giving him two seconds is being generous...

[Tash]

Do you have any idea how fast a nuke explosion goes? Do you realise that Sasuke basically outran one of these from ground zero over a short distance whilst low on energy and badly beaten up.

A mile is no problem. Giving him two seconds is being generous...

Do you realize how inconsistent that feat was? One second he doesn't have enough chakra left to stand, the next he magically gets enough chakra to Boss summon, use genjutsu, jump into the snakes mouth and teleport away. Especially considering how in the same fight he lost one of his wings from a weaker explosion.

[Fuujin]

Do you realize how inconsistent that feat was? One second he doesn't have enough chakra left to stand, the next he magically gets enough chakra to Boss summon, use genjutsu, jump into the snakes mouth and teleport away. Especially considering how in the same fight he lost one of his wings from a weaker explosion.
Yeah and he lost a boss summon from the big explosion what's your point?

When people are scared shitless they get sudden burts of energy. People run faster when scared, punch harder when defending themselves. Sasuke just got a bigger boost is all.

[Tash]

That boost is just a bit too big for me to take seriously. And if so why didn't he get that "boost" when that explosion took of his wing.

[Banhammer]

^and then they die of exaustion

One mile in two seconds?.....
I think I'm going to pm Rice Ball to ask permission to flame you this one time..

[Fuujin]

That boost is just a bit too big for me to take seriously. And if so why didn't he get that "boost" when that explosion took of his wing.
The more critical and dangerous the situation, the higher fear of death.

Plus everything in Naruto is blown out of proportion. That's why you get guys being thrown through solid rock only to get back up again because theyre "protecting someone important".

[Banhammer]

but you're just pulling half a mile/second of your ass!

[Tash]

The more critical and dangerous the situation, the higher fear of death.

Plus everything in Naruto is blown out of proportion. That's why you get guys being thrown through solid rock only to get back up again because theyre "protecting someone important".

Uh, that struck me as an inconsistency, not an emotion based power up. According to the explanation of chakra given, if you use too much chakra you die. In that fight Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to stand, also according to explanations given you need an amount of chakra proportionate to creature you want to summon in order to do so. With as little chakra as Sasuke had, do you honestly think he would have been able to do what he did and still survive with the little chakra he had?

[Pein the God]

I think Avatar Roku..........maybe

[Pein]

sasuke solo's via speed blitz

[Tash]

sasuke solo's via speed blitz

Yea cause Sasuke speedblitzes from miles away all the time right?

[Hio]

Have to say Avatar Roku:nod

[Grandmaster Kane]

Should i make this into a formal debate?

[Tash]

No
ten char limit

[Pein]

Should i make this into a formal debate?

Go ahead then

[Fuujin]

but you're just pulling half a mile/second of your ass!
No I'm not lulz!! Please pay attention to the posts I made in other threads which you even replied to!
Uh, that struck me as an inconsistency, not an emotion based power up. According to the explanation of chakra given, if you use too much chakra you die. In that fight Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to stand, also according to explanations given you need an amount of chakra proportionate to creature you want to summon in order to do so. With as little chakra as Sasuke had, do you honestly think he would have been able to do what he did and still survive with the little chakra he had?
The thing is chakra is generated by physical energy+soul energy. So with the will of fire and shit like that chakra gets generated at a much higher rate. Because the character is getting inspired/shitting their pants.

[helpmenow316]

lol it doesnt matter if roku is bloodlust he would prob get in to the avatar state which could easily kill everyone...

[potential]

Where are people getting that Sasuke barely had enough chakra to stand? If you bother go back and read the manga you will notice this came out of Deidara's mouth and not Sasuke's so we could not truly know if Sasuke had little chakra. You guys acted like Sasuke agreed with Deidara after he said that Statement. He just looked at him like he does everyone else. Also he could be storing chakra on that tattoo on his arm just for an emergency situation.

[Tash]

Uh, maybe we get that idea due to the fact he fell on his knees to the ground?

[potential]

could have had a sudden burst of adrenaline

[Tash]

Or it could have been an inconsistency?

[Banhammer]

Also he could be storing chakra on that tattoo on his arm just for an emergency situation.


If you read the manga with a little more atention you would know that's the snake contract, not a chakra seal
prooves how much you really know about sasuke