FINAL BATTLE: NARUTOVERSE VS AVATARVERSE

[ViЯaL]

With the Abundance of Avatar/Naruto threads I made this thread to have a final battle royale between the two series.

Only Rules are that there is No Spirit use other than Kyubi and Avatar Spirits,
Speed is the same amongst all characters. Reaction time however may vary. cough...Sharingan...Cough,
Kyubi and the other spirits can connect through the spirit world. So there isnt spirit soloing on mortals, Making for a spicier debate.
Also, Kyubi Naruto cant go higher than 4 tails.

Please argue based on stated material, and no inferences unless they are reasonable.

Ex. Itachi knowing henge is Reasonable since it is an academy level technique even though there is no proof of him knowing it
Ex. Aang Using Avatar Spirits to bend a giant earth monster to gain an advantage is reasonable since the weird water fish monster has been made before.

Ex. Naruto Innately knowing how to hirashin because he is the son of Minato is Not Reasonable


Anything Else is fair play.

LET THE WAR BEGIN!

[Giovanni Rild]

Avatarverse, numbers. technology. I sense a shitstorm coming.

[Banhammer]

Is Ocean Spirit allowed?
Becaue him and tanks solo

[Suzumebachi]

Kyuubi cannon.

[ViЯaL]

This Is basically a all in one thread. A shitstorm is coming. I have planned for it and want to see how far this will go.

Narutoverse could stand a chance due to little things like Kawarmi. One shot at them and there right behind you ready to throw a finishing blow.
Henge Could Confuse Avatar Characters due to them not having Chakra Recognition. Naruto could henge into Katara and kill Aang on the dot.
Basic Jutsu could help more than signature jutsu here.

[Red]

Avatarverse can take out most of the normal fodder and all of the konoha 9 with exception of naruto and sasuke.

Akatuski, madara, the kage's (if we are include dead people) and kakashi are the main obstacles along side ichibi and kyuubi.

In b4 shitstorm

[Banhammer]

If naruto ever henged into katara he would get the water in his stomach bent into an ice knife and shred from the insides
This is a cannon move, since it's putten into the TCG and scheduled to show up in the series should they be able to expand it

Fodder Fire Nation obliterates Fodder Nin's (tanks baby, TANKS!)
Master waterbenders and ocean spirit do the rest.

[ViЯaL]

Is Ocean Spirit allowed?
Becaue him and tanks solo
Yes, but couldnt you Kawarmi your way out and hit vital spots?

Avatarverse can take out most of the normal fodder and all of the konoha 9 with exception of naruto and sasuke.

Akatuski, madara, the kage's (if we are include dead people) and kakashi are the main obstacles along side ichibi and kyuubi.

In b4 shitstorm

I could see Yondaime(Minato) being a huge threat due to hirashin. Everytime they try to land a hit, he's gone and launching a rasengan on your backside

[Graham Aker]

the motherfucking Sasuke takes this suckers! he beats the shit of both verses!

[Banhammer]

iroh solos sasuke :vegetant

[thegoodjae]

I say Gaara, the Sannins, the Akatsuki, the Rookie 9, and the Hokages can solo this no problem.

Kisame takes care of any fire benders anyways.

[Kai]

Narutoverse has, by popular consensus, won on multiple, vastly overdone, occasions.

You're not advancing a new concept.

[Steven Pinhead]

In before tards.

Avatarverse.

[Graham Aker]

iroh solos sasuke :vegetant
with a teapot? touché

[Banhammer]

Avatar drops mountains and raises volcanos during a tsunami and an f5 hurricane

Aang is the cat
Sasuke is the dog
http://www.thefunnybox.com/wp-content/images/owned15863.jpg

in before tards

[thegoodjae]

Iroh, the only win character besides the man who walked Aang and his friends out the cannon, gets slaughthered too. STOP TRYING TO PUT SUCH A WEAK VERSE AGAINST NARUTOVERSE. NARUTOVERSE IS WEAK COMPARED TO OP AND BLEACH, NOT A VERSE WHICH DEALS WITH REALISTIC HUMAN SPEED AND LIMITED POWERS WHICH ONLY LET 4 DIFFERENT MOVES TO BE USED WHICH CAN BE STOPPED BY A BREAK OF THE HAND.

[Graham Aker]

Iroh > Narutoverse -ttebayo!

[thegoodjae]

lol, Gai > Iroh.

[Keollyn]

What's with the broken capslock?

[thegoodjae]

I had to deal with four threads of this crap. I was sick with it. Sorry :)

[Banhammer]

Iroh pimpslaps jiraya sarutobi and orochimaru

[thegoodjae]

Please go read Naruto.

[Graham Aker]

Yue rapes Narutoverse
she'll flood the entire Narutoverse...

[Banhammer]

Oh yeah, princess yue.. Why do I always forget she is all moon goddes now?

Yue solos

[thegoodjae]

Even Sakura could kill her. Pre-skip. Pre-genin.

[Graham Aker]

yeah, Sakura would get severely raped by Princess Yue, now that she's merged with the Moon Spirit.

[thegoodjae]

You mean now that she died?

[EdwardElric]

Actually, what would happen is that someone would seal the moon goddess into a supposedly orphan child, rejected by the whole village for carrying a monster inside him, who later is revealed to be the son of the very person who did the sealing (not to anyone's surprise though, because everyone saw it coming all along), who actually all along had intended the sealing to make his son the most valuable asset the village would ever have, and then the son would be able to use that power to protect his nakama/save Sasuke/become Hokage.

[Graham Aker]

Princess Yue aint no monster :pek
shes one hot brown girl with white hair, who died without getting her cherry popped... tsk tsk what a waste of a jailbait.


edit:
I ended this thread with a pedo post.

[Random Nobody]

Iroh, the only win character besides the man who walked Aang and his friends out the cannon, gets slaughthered too. STOP TRYING TO PUT SUCH A WEAK VERSE AGAINST NARUTOVERSE. NARUTOVERSE IS WEAK COMPARED TO OP AND BLEACH, NOT A VERSE WHICH DEALS WITH REALISTIC HUMAN SPEED AND LIMITED POWERS WHICH ONLY LET 4 DIFFERENT MOVES TO BE USED WHICH CAN BE STOPPED BY A BREAK OF THE HAND.

Might be a good idea to read the first post, for the sake of the thread everyone has equal speed.:oh

Fire Benders shoot off fire into whatever direction they feel like and fodder ninja jump into it because that's what they do. Named characters eventually lose to numbers.

[thegoodjae]

Didn't see you in a while, where have you been. I miss our flame arguments.

[vagnard]

Lol...you allowed the Kyuubi?.

KN4 evaporates Ocean Spirit easily with a chakra bullet.

Then any guy above chunnin can solo the entire four nations alone.

[Pein]

avatarverse gets raped

[Giovanni Rild]

Lol...you allowed the Kyuubi?.

KN4 evaporates Ocean Spirit easily with a chakra bullet.

Then any guy above chunnin can solo the entire four nations alone.

What are you smoking?

[vagnard]

What are you smoking?

Speedblitz.

[Giovanni Rild]

Speedblitz.

Speedblitz my ass. That's armies upon armies. No fucking way. The numbers of avatarverse would tire out and mob anyone to death from Narutoverse before they got anyway near killing the four kingdoms.

[Kiyoshi]

Scaling the Narutoverse down to normal human speed....

Still owns, sadly. I mean, Troph against Deidara. Deidara controls a Godzilla sized version of himself and all the thousands of nanite bombs spread from it. Troph hasn't done anything on the scale. That is just using two recent/popular characters. Yamato can "bend" a waterfall.

Iroh compared to Sasuke, squat. Iroh's main saving grace is he can rechannel lightning and in his universe is more than a fodder attack. Sasuke has moved away from katons and has picked up genjutsu. Iroh channels one nagashi chidori, then Sasuke genjutsus him into channeling it into an Avatar State Aang for a team kill.

Sorry Avatar fans. I do agree level per level the avatar verse is more relatively skilled and varied with what they do, but the Narutoverse is more powerful. Avatar is more realistic than Naruto, which owns Avatar, which is more realistic in speed/etc. (arguably) than Bleach, which pwns Naruto, etc.

[vagnard]

Speedblitz my ass. That's armies upon armies. No fucking way. The numbers of avatarverse would tire out and mob anyone to death from Narutoverse before they got anyway near killing the four kingdoms.

Using a kunai to stab on the neak doesn't take a lot of chakra.

Armies of fodder doesn't amount in Naruto. If you are a lot stronger than your opponent you can take down thousand of them.

Sasuke can take down an army of 1000 ninjas alone without any scratch on him. But then he hardly could defeat Deidara one on one. Sasori took down a country, Asuma took down 9 chunnins without effort....etc...

And any ninja...even the most shitty one is >>>>>>> a bender.

Probably given such high numbers and long distances it would take a while....but every decent ninja with a little of stealth and prep time could do it.

[Giovanni Rild]

Scaling the Narutoverse down to normal human speed....

Still owns, sadly. I mean, Troph against Deidara. Deidara controls a Godzilla sized version of himself and all the thousands of nanite bombs spread from it. Troph hasn't done anything on the scale. That is just using two recent/popular characters. Yamato can "bend" a waterfall.

Iroh compared to Sasuke, squat. Iroh's main saving grace is he can rechannel lightning and in his universe is more than a fodder attack. Sasuke has moved away from katons and has picked up genjutsu. Iroh channels one nagashi chidori, then Sasuke genjutsus him into channeling it into an Avatar State Aang for a team kill.

Sorry Avatar fans. I do agree level per level the avatar verse is more relatively skilled and varied with what they do, but the Narutoverse is more powerful. Avatar is more realistic than Naruto, which owns Avatar, which is more realistic in speed/etc. (arguably) than Bleach, which pwns Naruto, etc.

You missing the point that avatarverse has armies and the fire nation has tanks.

None of the shinobi are killing all the armies in avatarverse. This fight has been done to death already.

Avatarverse wins due to numbers and their bending can go on as long as they have stamina, so they would outlast the shinobi's chakra.

Once the shinobi run out of juice, the benders will win

Using a kunai to stab on the neak doesn't take a lot of chakra.

Armies of fodder doesn't amount in Naruto. If you are a lot stronger than your opponent you can take down thousand of them.

Sasuke can take down an army of 1000 ninjas alone without any scratch on him. But then he hardly could defeat Deidara one on one. Sasori took down a country, Asuma took down 9 chunnins without effort....etc...

And any ninja...even the most shitty one is >>>>>>> a bender.


Rank and file benders are more skilled than your shitty fodder shinobi.

[Kiyoshi]

You missing the point that avatarverse has armies and the fire nation has tanks.

None of the shinobi are killing all the armies in avatarverse. This fight has been done to death already.

Avatarverse wins due to numbers and their bending can go on as long as they have stamina, so they would outlast the shinobi's chakra.

Once the shinobi run out of juice, the benders will win



If Kishimoto kept Narutoverse more realistic, this wouldn't be a problem. If a bunch of kids could take out a Fire nation camp, Shinobi supposedly trained in guerrilla warfare could do a large amount of damage. So I see no problem taking on the Fire Nation.

But the Fire Nation isn't perpetually stupid. Unless they stupidly sent their entire Navy to the Northern Tribe, which isn't the case, the full size of their force must be innumerable. Plus Jet's group and Katara's father shows that not all the members of the Avatarverse are as rank and file as Fire Nation. So that limits the Narutoverse's advantage. Earth Nation fell to three girls employing subterfuge as well.

So, I guess I am digging this hole. In truth, you are right when I began to consider the size of the Avatarverse armies. Especially if they were united in this attack. One could argue Pein could use rain no jutsu to block the sun to weaken fire nation, if that would work, but then you have a battalion of water benders going into overdrive.

Essentially, realistically, ninja villages are small mercenary forces. Unless Naruto verse has standing armies in canon we don't know about, and thus aren't allowed according to the OP, it falls.

[Red]

Actually, what would happen is that someone would seal the moon goddess into a supposedly orphan child, rejected by the whole village for carrying a monster inside him, who later is revealed to be the son of the very person who did the sealing (not to anyone's surprise though, because everyone saw it coming all along), who actually all along had intended the sealing to make his son the most valuable asset the village would ever have, and then the son would be able to use that power to protect his nakama/save Sasuke/become Hokage.
Lol, well sealing technique isn't fool proof, orochimaru fought the thing for a good half episode, if oro can fight it a goddess can break it.

Lol...you allowed the Kyuubi?.

KN4 evaporates Ocean Spirit easily with a chakra bullet.

Then any guy above chunnin can solo the entire four nations alone.
Since when do people evaporate spirits?


Hell the spirits solo.

[vagnard]

Rank and file benders are more skilled than your shitty fodder shinobi.

No. They aren't. Every ninja is far above normal human in terms of speed, strength and durability. Even the best benders are peak human or a little better than peak human at best in terms of physical atributes.

Since when do people evaporate spirits?


Hell the spirits solo.

Since the spirit took a material body like water and his using the avatar as bridge.

[uncanny_sama]

kyuubi 4 tails

nuff said

[Manwë Súlimo]

Huge armies ftw.

[Banhammer]

lol.... alot of things I can't say for beeing on parole
and because it's wrong
Though exactly how do you intent to evaporate a spirit, or even a Moon spirit, with a conucussive blast?

[Red]

Since the spirit took a material body like water and his using the avatar as bridge.
IN the first episode of season three when yue descended from the moon to give support to aang did she have a mortal body?

Though exactly how do you intent to evaporate a spirit, or even a Moon spirit, with a conucussive blast?

you haven't answered me or the forthnins question :pek

[vagnard]

IN the first episode of season three when yue descended from the moon to give support to aang did she have a mortal body?



you haven't answered me or the forthnins question :pek

You don't evaporate the spirit. You destroy his link to this world. Aang and the water.

No body = useless spirit.

[Red]

You don't evaporate the spirit. You destroy his link to this world. Aang and the water.

No body = useless spirit.
Lol wut?

Who created that tsunami? yue, was she working through the avatar? no. Panda spirit demolished a small village, was he working through the avatar? no.

spirits are capable of doing things on their own regardless of whether or not they have a mortal tether.

[ViЯaL]

EDIT: Kyubi and the other spirits can connect through the spirit world.
So there isnt spirit soloing on mortals.

So..Yeah, for the sake of the thread, and me wanting to see the shitstorm Of debate over whether or not Kyubi is able to solo a spirit world

[Banhammer]

I highly doubt that one chakra cannon could destroy a titan sized spirit...
Though I have very little doubts that the ocean spirit could kill little naruto in many painles ways, like drown his ass, freeze him in an iceberg, or slash his head of with spirit water blade (the spirit faction is the one that will cut through chakra shroud)

[Shoddragon]

You missing the point that avatarverse has armies and the fire nation has tanks.

None of the shinobi are killing all the armies in avatarverse. This fight has been done to death already.

Avatarverse wins due to numbers and their bending can go on as long as they have stamina, so they would outlast the shinobi's chakra.

Once the shinobi run out of juice, the benders will win




Rank and file benders are more skilled than your shitty fodder shinobi.

AWESOME TANKS... TANKS THAT FLY and can survive explosions like C3 and can go underwater without follding or being crushed by water pressure!!! o wait.........................

[vagnard]

Lol wut?

Who created that tsunami? yue, was she working through the avatar? no. Panda spirit demolished a small village, was he working through the avatar? no.

spirits are capable of doing things on their own regardless of whether or not they have a mortal tether.

I was talking about the Ocean Spirit that was summoned and was using the avatar as link.

[Banhammer]

Oh yeah, thanks for that info

Fire nation has air suport
Narutoverse has..... Deidara?
Avatar state wtfpwns deidara and ballons own the rest of the land
one eartbender crushes gaara in his own sand just in case he tries to float up there

[thegoodjae]

You mean by air support as in hot air balloons? Deidara can rape all those. They also have Sasuke.

Exactly how will the air balloons ever reach something that can fly? Not float slowly but fly? Are you serious?

Haterade, ban him PLEASE.

[Random Nobody]

Speedblitz.

No. They aren't. Every ninja is far above normal human in terms of speed, strength and durability. Even the best benders are peak human or a little better than peak human at best in terms of physical atributes.



Since the spirit took a material body like water and his using the avatar as bridge.

You know its hilarious how you keep bringing up this speed difference, makes me wonder if you read the first post. Ya know the post where it states that for this fight everyone's speed is even. So yeah "teh speedblitz" isn't gonna happen. And :rofl at fodder ninja being above anything. These are the guys that jump face first into the first thing they see that can kill them.

[Banhammer]

These are the Fuujin disciples, the ones that believe fodder nin are night omnipotent, and they can fly to hit the fire nation ballons

[KLoWn]

Fire nation has air suport
Narutoverse has..... Deidara?
Well he could make birds for all the others too if needed.

OT, i haven't watched/read Avatar so i'll just keep my mouth shut bout this one.

[Banhammer]

You can always check the power directory

[Shoddragon]

hot air baloons? are the like zepplins or jsut hot air baloons, becauwse simple kunai could take them down even ten ten's worthless ass could wipe out the "air support" with ease............... Narutoverse need't speedblitz.... not allowed either... BTW, since kyuubi is technically not beatable except by trapping tis very soul, that means avatar spirit world gets raped,then kyuubi can solo? I mean I'm being honest, what does avatarverse have that can hurt kyuubi with which thousands of NON fodder ninja over jounin level could not? tanks? kyuub takes them adn throws them half way cross the world.. k4 chakra bullets a couple o tanks at a time.....

[Banhammer]

I did not knew that ninjas could throw kunais half a mile up in the sky

And kyubi can be drowned
legion of waterbendrs or ocean spirit alone do this

Ocean spirit already solo'd with a tsunami, forest spirit solo'd because noone else knows the death god technique wich is the only thing in Narutoverse that can stop it, and moon spirit also solo's.

Avatar state brings about volcano eruptions, f5 hurricanes, tsunamis and mountain drops.

No, narutoverse cannot beat the apocalipse

[Wuzzman]

If the speed is the same and only reaction time different....it would have been fare if the fire nation was made as big as Konoha....however it isn't, it has better tech, it can invent tech for the battlefield, and aren't military idiots. GG narutoverse, Aang could probably just villages, if he can solo islands.

[atom]

Sasori solo's the 4 nations.

[vagnard]

You know its hilarious how you keep bringing up this speed difference, makes me wonder if you read the first post. Ya know the post where it states that for this fight everyone's speed is even. So yeah "teh speedblitz" isn't gonna happen. And :rofl at fodder ninja being above anything. These are the guys that jump face first into the first thing they see that can kill them.

Lol. Did you read the reaction speed was the same?. Do you know shunshin isn't regular speed but a jutsu?.

[Banhammer]

how is sasori beating yue?

[Wuzzman]

Sasori gets hit by 10 cannon balls fired from 10 tanks....in a battlefield filled with 10,000 tanks...

[Red]

I was talking about the Ocean Spirit that was summoned and was using the avatar as link.
But we are talking yue.

[atom]

Sasori gets hit by 10 cannon balls fired from 10 tanks....in a battlefield filled with 10,000 tanks...
Sasori uses magentism and redirects the cannons to destroy their own nations..

[Red]

Sasori uses magentism and redirects the cannons to destroy their own nations..
Thats why you know he did that with sakura's kunais right? Nothing in the manga suggests that he can effect other metals too.

Lol. Did you read the reaction speed was the same?. Do you know shunshin isn't regular speed but a jutsu?.

Oh god does nobody know what speed restriction is? They are not allowed to go faster than the avatar verse, shunsui makes them go faster than the avatar verse therefore it is restricted because it breaks the speed restriction that makes everyone equal.

you follow my logic? Don't try to bend a rule that the OP made crystal clear, no character is supposed to go faster than any other character in terms of locomotion. Reaction time is the exception.

[vagnard]

Oh god does nobody know what speed restriction is? They are not allowed to go faster than the avatar verse, shunsui makes them go faster than the avatar verse therefore it is restricted because it breaks the speed restriction that makes everyone equal.

you follow my logic? Don't try to bend a rule that the OP made crystal clear, no character is supposed to go faster than any other character in terms of locomotion. Reaction time is the exception.

It doesn't really matters. Mai's accuracy and speed are capable to give problems to most of benders in the series. Any ninja is still more skilled than her with weapons and their reaction speed remains the same.

Benders get stomped.

[vagnard]

But we are talking yue.

Last time I check Yue was dead. Unless you think visions can kick ass.

[ViЯaL]

What a Shitstorm :awesome
And Yeah, Its Reaction Time that is different, not locomotive movement as Mr Despair said.

Also with Narutoverse not being able to survive an apocalypse, couldn't the same be said about that Avatarverse? I mean Kyubi levels moutains and makes Tsunamis with a easy swing of the tail.

[Dark Ascendant]

Thats why you know he did that with sakura's kunais right? Nothing in the manga suggests that he can effect other metals too.

What kunai?

[atom]

Thats why you know he did that with sakura's kunais right? Nothing in the manga suggests that he can effect other metals too.
When did Sakura use Kunai's when Sasori had the sand out?

[thegoodjae]

Konoha has better technology as well. They even have microphones attached to their heads and such. They could probably make useless tanks as protectives, as well as slow hot air balloons, but seeing as they are useless against other ninjas, they dont.

[Red]

It doesn't really matters. Mai's accuracy and speed are capable to give problems to most of benders in the series. Any ninja is still more skilled than her with weapons and their reaction speed remains the same.

Benders get stomped.so you gather naruto verse has more skill with kunias because what? Naruto ninjas always throw kunias and they always get deflected, how can you gather ninjas throw knives better from that?

Last time I check Yue was dead. Unless you think visions can kick ass.
Last time I checked yue was a moon goddess. Same vision that caused a tsunami in the new season? Even after her own father said he saw a vision of yue becoming the moon goddess? this is why kids shouldn't do drugs, it fucks up their memory.

What kunai?
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38790

Or maybe why he didn't metal bend the puppets right?

Provide scans of sasori moving metal apart from the one provided in the gourd? If not drop the idea that sasori can control any metal.

[vagnard]

so you gather naruto verse has more skill with kunias because what? Naruto ninjas always throw kunias and they always get deflected, how can you gather ninjas throw knives better from that?

The fact Sakura as genin pretty much sucked and she still was able to hook a falling Naruto to a tree with pinpoint accuracy. Itachi is able to aim targets who isn't even looking....like when he throw 6 kunais during Uchiha Flashback (all of them were bullseye) even when one of them was behind a rock (so he can do even curve shoots) and was on a blindspot or when a few chapters ago he destroyed 2 Naruto Kage Bunshins without even looking them.

Why you are so stubborn? It's obvious the difference of skill and superhuman feats is ridiculous.


Last time I checked yue was a moon goddess. Same vision that caused a tsunami in the new season? Even after her own father said he saw a vision of yue becoming the moon goddess? this is why kids shouldn't do drugs, it fucks up their memory.

Last time I checked she never fought at all. Should I bring then all past hokages even those one who are in Shinagami's belly?.

Shinigami >>>> any avatar spirit...it can even pwn a bijuu like Kyuubi without effort.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38790

Or maybe why he didn't metal bend the puppets right?

Provide scans of sasori moving metal apart from the one provided in the gourd? If not drop the idea that sasori can control any metal.

Lol. Last time I checked Puppets were made of wood not metal.

Sasori can control any metal.

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WwAMHDIcgy0fQNtmifgGxThmIFPr7bJ!ImwCFPfwUcKwxy3QK wubmPhCLYxF3bhBIq7A*jY7UJR4Ixwdrx5ZbpKyb0ar20cUoCm jlYgFi6tp5MyowwaBNDZoA9JNtHDtPKBcVtJl2HU/P?dc=4675618056490150324

Why do you think Chiyo warned Sakura about using any metal weapon against him?

[Green Lantern]

Forget it.
This shits getting old.