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swq
09-20-2007, 11:31 AM
now i know that this exam is only about basics and so, but still i wanna test my self in math, id say i know about 65% math and i excel in trigonometry, so start the questions id be happy to answer em.

Notorious
09-20-2007, 12:15 PM
now i know that this exam is only about basics and so, but still i wanna test my self in math, id say i know about 65% math and i excel in trigonometry, so start the questions id be happy to answer em.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=271222


^Post there for help, but I'll give you a question.

If x + y = 10 and xy = 18, find x^2 + y^2

swq
09-20-2007, 12:50 PM
;10689847']http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=271222


^Post there for help, but I'll give you a question.

If x + y = 10 and xy = 18, find x^2 + y^2

thats easy.. first of all (x+y)^2=x^2 + 2xy + y^2 => (10)^2 = x^2 + 2(18) + y^2 => 100 = x^2 + 36 + y^2 => x^2 + y^2 = 64. thnx

The_Unforgiven
09-20-2007, 12:55 PM
try this:

if ax^2 + 12x + 9 = 0 has -3/2 as its only solution, what is the value of a?

(BTW, this is from the book I told u about)

Notorious
09-20-2007, 01:08 PM
These are good questions for math 1C, but I recommend you buy either PR or barron's for good practice tests. You only need basic trig for it...although knowing your identities would be useful...so that's what I am asking you. Name the 3 fundamental trig identities.

swq
09-20-2007, 01:13 PM
kk first of all u know that if the quadratic equation has only one solution then in the formula of X=-b^2+or-radical(b^2-4ac)/2a. that b^2-4ac = 0, so just replace and ull c that a = 4.

the three iden. are sin, cos, tan.
thnx for the warmup. :d

Notorious
09-20-2007, 04:14 PM
kk first of all u know that if the quadratic equation has only one solution then in the formula of X=-b^2+or-radical(b^2-4ac)/2a. that b^2-4ac = 0, so just replace and ull c that a = 4.

the three iden. are sin, cos, tan.
thnx for the warmup. :d
No man, this is what i was getting at:

sin^2 + cos^2 = 1
1 + cot^2 = csc^2
1 + tan^2 = sec^2

Commander Red
09-20-2007, 05:17 PM
Try this one:

Show that the inequality: "|a-b| >_ ||a|-|b||" holds for all real numbers a nd b.


"|x|" means absolute value of x, so |-x| = x. and |x||y| = |xy|.
"x >_ y" means x more than or equal to y.
I'm posting these definitions, because it's impossible to write the inequalities clearly on the forum. If I wanted to say "more than" then I would have used the ">" symbol.

swq
09-20-2007, 06:47 PM
woh!! easy man, well one of the things im bad at is eniqualties so.. i wont even try coz im just seeing chinese :P .. hit me with another thing

Commander Red
09-20-2007, 07:08 PM
woh!! easy man, well one of the things im bad at is eniqualties so.. i wont even try coz im just seeing chinese :P .. hit me with another thing

Huh? Aren't inequalities almost identical with equations just with slight minor difference in answering them? It's almost like solving an equation.

swq
09-20-2007, 07:26 PM
Huh? Aren't inequalities almost identical with equations just with slight minor difference in answering them? It's almost like solving an equation.

yeah but still i can't understand them, because an absolute value in an inequality has two answers positive and negative.. that confuses me alot, id appreciate it if u explained it to me, seems u well known to the subject :)

Commander Red
09-20-2007, 08:27 PM
yeah but still i can't understand them, because an absolute value in an inequality has two answers positive and negative.. that confuses me alot, id appreciate it if u explained it to me, seems u well known to the subject :)

Well you don't have to solve, but you have to proof it, that's true for each a and b. To do so, there are several ways;
one way is to show that if a > 0 & b > 0 are true, then with a < 0 & b > 0 is true, and so on untill you showed all four possibilities are true. If it's correct then you've proved that |a - b| >_ ||a| - |b|| is correct for all real numbers a and b.

The other way is to make use of the triangle inequality: "|a + b| _< |a| + |b| holds for all real numbers a and b."
More information about the triangle inequality and the proof can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_inequality But yes, this is I think, a bit difficult.

Do you get proof questions just like this one on your test?

Notorious
09-20-2007, 08:43 PM
Nope. SAT MathIC is multiple choice. You will only see proof questions in advanced college classes and the USAMO, really.

Commander Red
09-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Right, I see. Alright then, I've asked totally the wrong questions for this... My apologies.

Notorious
09-20-2007, 09:52 PM
Lol, yeah. In US High schools its all about concepts. Problem solving and proofs are done in specialized math contests.

swq
09-21-2007, 01:10 AM
thxn for the link it'll be helpful someday, i like math and expanding would be good

Commander Red
09-21-2007, 05:21 AM
Hehe, alright then. Goodluck!

Would like to see the proof, or do you want to try it out for yourself?

swq
09-21-2007, 08:28 AM
i'll try to asnwer it myself, if i give up ill ask u.

Commander Red
09-21-2007, 11:05 AM
Alright then, Goodluck!

Notorious
09-21-2007, 11:12 AM
If you want to get good at math:


www.artofproblemsolving.com


Best resources. Get the two volumes with the same name and you'll be a pro.

Bakalakadaka
09-23-2007, 02:30 AM
Here, I'll just throw some problems from my PR practice Math SAT2 book at you (i took the Math 2 last year):

In 1900, the population of Malthusia was 120,000. Since then, the population has increased by exactly 8 percent per year. If population growth continues at this rate, what was the population in the year 2000?

a. 216,000
b. 2,599,070
c. 1,080,000
d. 5.4 x 10^7
e. 2.6 x 10^8

AbnormallyNormal
09-23-2007, 07:56 AM
d or e, since there is a trick whree to find out how many units of time it takes some quantity to double, you divide 70 by the constant percentage rate of increase, in this case something a little above 9 (years). so in other words you double 120,000 ten times to get the answer

vanh
09-23-2007, 08:05 AM
Not exactly 2.6 x 10^8 though, but close.

Let's call the population in year t A.

In year t+1 , the population is : A + A x 0.08 = A x 1.08
In year t+2 , the population is : A x 1.08 + A x 1.08 x 0.08 = A x (1.08^2)
In year t+3 , the population is : A x 1.08^2 + A x 1.08^2 x 0.08 = A x 1.08^3

After 100 year, the population is : A x (1.08)^100 = 120,00 x 1.08^100 = 263,971,350.

The_Unforgiven
09-23-2007, 05:08 PM
i remember learning a formula on compound population growth, but I don't remeber it. Can anyone post it here?

AbnormallyNormal
09-24-2007, 01:57 AM
uh i think i just did? basically if there is a constant rate of increase, a neat trick is to divide 70 by that rate expressed as a percentage, and thats the # of units of time (probably in years) for the amount to double overall

Bakalakadaka
09-27-2007, 10:20 PM
Yeah, lacking got it right.

Here's an easier one:

Which of the following is the positive difference between 10^18 and 9^19?

a. 5.3 x 10^16
b. 1.0 x 10^17
c. 3.5 x 10^17
d. 1.1 x 10^18
e. 7.3 x 10^18

The_Unforgiven
09-28-2007, 04:45 AM
that's easy. Just grab the calculator. The answer is C.

Commander Red
09-28-2007, 05:45 AM
So, you're allowed to grab a Calculator during SATs?

myle
09-28-2007, 09:13 AM
I don't think so.

swq
09-28-2007, 01:07 PM
yeah u are, plus the percentage problem is easy there is a formula in the sat 2 book, i think it goes like if it was increasing by 8 percent, in the equation u write (1+8/100).