Orochimaru, Sandaime,Yondaime, and Shodai

[CoolMastr]

Lets say Orochimaru uses Edo-Tensei and summons this monstrous team of WIN. Is there any other team of four, dead or alive, that could beat them? Team Sharingan perhaps? Battlefield is forest of death. BTW no repeats such as a team that includes either Orochimaru, Sandaime,Yondaime, or Shodai.

[eDyH]

Kyuubi, Yonbi, Sanbi, and Ichibi.

[Violent By Design]

I'm assuming they are not immortal?

And yes there are teams that are ARGUEBLY capable of beating them.

Sakumo, Pein, Hanzou are the lead pioners im thinking. Then you have guys like Sasori, Itachi, Kakuzu, Danzou, Jiraya, Madara.

This is also assuming Sandaime is in prime.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Itachi Jiraiya Kakashi Naruto Sasuke Pein

[Canute87]

Why would any smart team wait on Orochimaru to summon the coffins, the dead come out of the coffins,and Orochimaru putting the seals in each of there heads? Any body with serious speed and common sense would know to take down orochimaru before he sets the hokages on their asses.As long as Itachi, kakashi and/or Gai or on the team they stand a chance.SOmebody just needs to focus on orochimaru.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Thats true but i think he meant if like he summoned them then a special team came to beat them

[Han Solo]

There are a fair few that arguably could. Just off the top of my head:

Sakumo
Pein
Hanzou
Madara

[Fuujin]

I like how people are using characters who have high rep but we know next to NOTHING about.

No team of four can beat that team assuming the dead Hokage are allowed to control themselves and fight at full potential

[Violent By Design]

We know next to nothing about Yondaime and Shodais fighting abilities also. ~_~

[Fuujin]

We know next to nothing about Yondaime and Shodais fighting abilities also. ~_~
We've seen Shodai fight and have a very good idea about Yondaime's jutsu, do tell me what can Hanzou, Pein, Sakumo (lol I like this one in particular) and Madara actually do?

[Violent By Design]

We've seen Shodai fight and have a very good idea about Yondaime's jutsu, do tell me what can Hanzou, Pein, Sakumo (lol I like this one in particular) and Madara actually do?

Knowing there abilities doesn't mean anything. It's there combat prowness. We've never seen Yondaime use his jutsu in combat. Also what are you crying about exactly? There was no limit put on by the thread starter.

And we've also seen Shodai fight as a zombie. Yet again, we have no idea how good or bad of a fighter Shodai is.

[Fuujin]

Knowing there abilities doesn't mean anything. It's there combat prowness. We've never seen Yondaime use his jutsu in combat. Also what are you crying about exactly? There was no limit put on by the thread starter.

And we've also seen Shodai fight as a zombie. Yet again, we have no idea how good or bad of a fighter Shodai is.
We have a good base for Shodai (a very good one I'd say) and Yondaime was seen fighting in Kakashi gaiden re-read the manga plx.

I didn't say anything about a limit being put on by thread-starter but some people are assuming so much it's sickening. I could say the Mizukage could solo this team because we've never seen him fight, and he has a somewhat high rep but I would be wrong in doing so.

[Jetstorm]

Pein
Madara
Sakumo
Sasori

[Violent By Design]

We have a good base for Shodai (a very good one I'd say) and Yondaime was seen fighting in Kakashi gaiden re-read the manga plx.

I didn't say anything about a limit being put on by thread-starter but some people are assuming so much it's sickening. I could say the Mizukage could solo this team because we've never seen him fight, and he has a somewhat high rep but I would be wrong in doing so.

Uh we saw Yondame teleport and put his knife to peoples throats. We have no idea of his speed, strength, taijutsu etc. So idk why your trying to be smart by saying "re-read the manga plx"


And what good base do we have for shodai? He barely did anything. If that was his true fighting ability then Shodai isn't much.

And Mizukage doesnt have a high reputation when compared to the others.

[erictheking]

People overrate Sakumo. It's not that we don't know his abilities, it's that they're running on one sentence that's been translated in different ways giving vastly different impressions.

I'll put a team up though.

Uchiha Itachi
Hanzou
Pein
Uchiha Madara

Justification :

Uchiha Itachi - Known genius throughout the Konohagakure. Also referred to as the #1 shinobi in the entire village by Kisame. Orochimaru fears him, we've seen him son Orochimaru in a flashback; he was strong enough to annihilate his entire clan [one of the strongest clans in the Narutoverse] including the elderly and young showing an easy coldness. We've witnessed him sonning multiple elite Jounins without effort, and the Tsukiyomi & Amaterasu techniques we've seen him perform have been off the rankings. So far we've seen him excel in Genjutsu, Ninjutsu & Taijutsu. So far, invincible in battle.

Hanzou - Defeated the Legendary Sannin all at once. Though we don't know how far away they were from their prime, we know they certainly weren't at their weakest; and Jiraiya was shocked to hear that Hanzou was able to be killed by any one person.

Pein - He's never lost a fight. Is the front for the leader of Akatsuki and logically is stronger than all the other members which is saying a lot. He killed Hanzou single-handedly breaking through his near-impossible security. Showed no mercy when he Keysered him either. Without a doubt, the 2nd most dangerous shinobi in the Narutoverse.

Uchiha Madara - Kyuubi knew him as having more vicious chakra than itself. Leader of Akatsuki; big enough to give Pein orders. Had a massive fight with the Shodai Hokage. #1on the most dangerous people list in the Narutoverse.

We know for a fact that Uchiha Itachi & Uchiha Madara would completely wipe the floor against Orochimaru with little effort. I think we'd be seeing these four against Shodai, Sandaime & Yondaime very soon.

I'd say the Shodai is strategically suited to fight a Sharingan-user so I'd pit Hanzou against him.

The Sandaime Hokage vs. Pein would be a suitable match in my opinion.

Then we have the Yondaime Hokage against Uchiha Madara / Uchiha Itachi. I'd pit Madara against him & Itachi can give anyone else a hand.

[SAMSARA]

If Orochimaru uses Edo Tensei to bring them back, then they cannot be defeated.

[Violent By Design]

If Orochimaru uses Edo Tensei to bring them back, then they cannot be defeated.

Actually im pretty sure Edo Tensei stops working if Orochimaru is killed.

[SAMSARA]

Actually im pretty sure Edo Tensei stops working if Orochimaru is killed.Why's that. It's not like he channeled his own mind into their bodies. When he resurrected the Hokage, they had their own consciouses. Then, he used a seal to suppress their thoughts and make them loyal and blood lusted. They never did anything that gave me the impression that they would fall to pieces without Orochimaru's foreign mind present.

[Violent By Design]

Why's that. It's not like he channeled his own mind into their bodies. When he resurrected the Hokage, they had their own consciouses. Then, he used a seal to suppress their thoughts and make them loyal and blood lusted. They never did anything that gave me the impression that they would fall to pieces without Orochimaru's foreign mind present.

They have to be commanded by someone. How else would they know what to do?

[Fuujin]

Uh we saw Yondame teleport and put his knife to peoples throats. We have no idea of his speed, strength, taijutsu etc. So idk why your trying to be smart by saying "re-read the manga plx"

And what good base do we have for shodai? He barely did anything. If that was his true fighting ability then Shodai isn't much.

And Mizukage doesnt have a high reputation when compared to the others.
Actually we also saw Yondaime save Kakashi from a rock nin who was 1 metre away from Kakashi and about 5 away from Yondaime. That gives us his base speed. We also know he can summon frogs with skill which nears Jiraiya's level. As well as that we know how Hiraishin works from the databook and we can put 2+2 together.

Shodai's abilities can be assumed to be greater than Yamato's since he's just a knock-off clone and they're never as good as the original.

But besides all of this do tell me what we have on Sakumo? Or Hanzou? Or Madara? The only person who's high tier and we know a fair amount about is Pein and the abilities he's shown thus far can't exactly be used in a fight.
They have to be commanded by someone. How else would they know what to do?
Because they retain all their experience and techniques. Do you really think Orochimaru knows how to do mokuton? They don't have to be commanded, all the seal that Orochimaru puts in their heads does is make them bloodlusted and loyal to him. That's it, you're now assuming the extents of the jutsu.

[SAMSARA]

They have to be commanded by someone. How else would they know what to do?I didn't see Orochimaru telling them to attack every two seconds when he was fighting the Sandaime. One time would be enough and I doubt anyone in this manga could kill Orochimaru before he could say "attack."

[Violent By Design]

So..how would they know who to attack or when to stop attacking?

[SAMSARA]

So..how would they know who to attack or when to stop attacking?.... I don't see what your point is. The question is who could beat the team. It doesn't matter what the summons would do afterwards, it's who could succeed against them in battle. When Orochimaru fought the Sandaime, he didn't tell them "attack Sarutobi-sensei for five minutes and wait for further instruction", he said strike and they struck.

[Violent By Design]

.... I don't see what your point is. The question is who could beat the team. It doesn't matter what the summons would do afterwards, it's who could succeed against them in battle. When Orochimaru fought the Sandaime, he didn't tell them "attack Sarutobi-sensei for five minutes and wait for further instruction", he said strike and they struck.

Okay...I don't get what your point is. I already gave my team on who could beat them. So what are you whining about?

[SAMSARA]

Okay...I don't get what your point is. I already gave my team on who could beat them. So what are you whining about?... You told me Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei would stop working if Orochimaru died and I just told you why you're probably wrong, smart ass.

[Violent By Design]

... You told me Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei would stop working if Orochimaru died and I just told you why you're probably wrong, smart ass.

Yeah I said that. And then you rudely said "the question is who can beat the team" (Even though that was irrelevant to what we were debating about). So I gave my reply on why im probably right, I don't see your beef here.

[Che Guevara]

Kakuzu , Nidaime , Jiraya , Gaaras dad?

[SAMSARA]

Yeah I said that. And then you rudely said "the question is who can beat the team" (Even though that was irrelevant to what we were debating about). So I gave my reply on why im probably right, I don't see your beef here.What in the world are you talking about? You were the one who brougt up "So..how would they know who to attack or when to stop attacking?" while I was still talking about them being able to take down an opponent without having to be commanded every two seconds. They have their own, bloody common sense, and that was shown during the fight in which the jutsu was used. You're the one who keeps driving the discussion further off topic.

My original point was that they couldn't be beaten because they're immortal. I don't know where you came from, homie. I don't know where you got the rude part from, either.

[Cochise]

Here's my team...

Inari
Konohamaru
Pre Sakura
And another Inari

[materpillar]

sandaime
itachi
deidara
sasuke

sandaime seals yondaime, and one of the other edo's into the death god again + the 3rd edo's arms. itachi and sasuke then proceed to rape oro while deidara does his best to completely obliterate the armless edo

[Crimson Scorpio]

Sasori Kakuzu Deidara Hidan. Hidan and Kakuzu act as decoys while Deidara and Sasori blow sand and C4 particles in their general direction.

[Noble Avenger]

Only team I see having a shot would be...

Madara
Pein
Itachi
Sasori/Sasuke/Nidame/Kisame/Deidara/Kakuzu/Hanzou (pick one)

Seriously...those top 3 with another S-Class Shinobi might do it. In fact, I'd be inclined to favor them.

[Spencer_Gator]

Pein, Naruto, Sasuke/Madara/Itachi (pick two Uchiha's)
Sharingan kicks Oro's ass. Pein could take Minato, Madara pays back against Shodai, and Naruto would end up beating Sandaime. But even if Naruto couldn't his team would help him.

[thegame2009]

Itachi, Pein, Deidara, HIDAN!

Itachi immobilizes Oro, Deidara rains his bombs on the others to keep them busy, Pein be Itachi's back-up, and have Hidan scratch Oro just once. Just once. Then it's GG for team Oro. No Oro = no edo tensei!

[nephrus]

Actually we can assume Pein has the ability to use the same type of jutsu he set up when they extracted gaara or used to delay Team kakashi and Team gai. So if Oro summons up all those dead hokages, Pein could just use either of those jutsu and make clones to fight them especially if they are at the same strength.

[Esponer]

Kuchiyose: edo tensei appears to reincarnate a shinobi with their skills and jutsu, but without their intelligence, imagination and cunning. It was because of this that Sarutobi so easily fooled the Shodai and Nidaime with a feint that resulted in exploding tags being placed on their legs. As it happened, this attack was not adequate against the revenants as they reformed immediately, but we learnt an important lesson. The revenants summoned by kuchiyose: edo tensei are almost mindless killing machines, and are vulnerable to shinobi tactics.

Uchiha Itachi is, to begin with, the best option against these four. His genjutsu is definitely effective against Orochimaru, and so long as he acts quickly he should have little difficulty forcing Orochimaru into a kanashibari no genjutsu or, possibly, tsukuyomi. He may be the only man in the world who can resist Shodai's kokuangyō, by using magen: kyōten chiten. Even if he cannot, whilst he uses his eyes as a medium for his most powerful genjutsu he still almost certainly has powerful non-visual genjutsu. Bunshin bakuha should be very effective against the senseless revenants as they are unlikely to have the wits to defend themselves properly, and while they will reform it will grant time to the other team in which to attack Orochimaru.

Lastly, and most importantly, amaterasu is one of the few jutsu which may have the capacity to destroy the edo tensei revenants.

Itachi is definitely the best option of anyone, even of the legendary unknowns such as Hanzō, Sakumo and Pein — we actually know that Itachi has jutsu which will be useful here.

Whether there are another three that could, with him, defeat all four (note that I simply say Itachi has the tools necessary to do so, not that he could do it alone) is another question, and I'm not sure. Jiraiya would be an excellent partner to Itachi, using gamaguchi shibari — Namikaze will be fine if he placed a jutsu shiki further away to begin with, but the other three may have difficulties and have to fight inside the Rock Toad's stomach. Jiraiya may also have shiki fūjin, and he has knowledge of Namikaze, Orochimaru and Sarutobi's jutsu.

Kisame and Kakuzu may be a solid, powerhouse pair (with knowledge of Shodai from Kakuzu) who could, with Itachi and Jiraiya, make this possible. It's hard to say, though.

[Shoddragon]

There are a fair few that arguably could. Just off the top of my head:

Sakumo
Pein
Hanzou
Madara

depends how strong pein and hanzou and madara are. Hanzou defeated the sannin in their prime basically ( they look about in their 20's) almost with complete ease, as well as killing a couple hundred more ninjas at least chuunin level or higher. Pein defeated him and easily crushed his entire village. for all we know pein can solo. apparently madara lost to shodaime once, but he is giving orders to someone who beat someone who>> shodaime. leave the thread open and lets wait for maybe 4 more chapters or so for more info.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Sakumo Hatake, Madara Uchiha, Hanzo, Jiraiya, and Nidaime

Madara holds off Shodai till one of the ninja mentioned above are free to help

Nidaime holds off Sandaime till one of his team are free to help

Hiashi has to keep on attacking and using his salamanders on Minato until someone from his team can help

Jiraiya and Sakumo take out Orochimaru, then help their team mates

this would be one long battle

[TWF]

There are a fair few that arguably could. Just off the top of my head:

Sakumo
Pein
Hanzou
Madara

Pretty much I agree.