Kidoumaru (Naruto) vs Four Covenant Lekgolo (Hunters)

[Vance]

Who do you think wins? I think Kidoumaru can beat easily, but how about four? The location is in the Forest of Death, both enemies know nothing of each other.

[FireEel]

Who do you think wins? I think Kidoumaru can beat easily, but how about four? The location is in the Forest of Death, both enemies know nothing of each other.

Hunters are in fact worms that were clustered together in big blue armor suits.

Spiders > Worms

Kidoumaru wins.

[Sesshoumaru]

Kidoumaru dies by Fuel Rod radiation.

[Vance]

Kidoumaru dies by Fuel Rod radiation.

But a Lekgolo takes a while to charge his fule rod cannon, and the trees (Kidoumaru's main fighting ground) would most likely slow and possibly stop their blasts.

[Ion]

*senses truthiness*

Anyway, I believe that the Hunters are far too slow to actually catch Kidoumaru with their fuel rod cannons and they wouldn't ever dream of hitting him with their melee.

With CS2 and with his calculating personality, he would eventually figure out that the best place to hit them would be their backs. Added to the fact that his arrows are far from weak, I could easily see him taking this quite handedly.

[Gig]

Kidoumaru wins if he can manage to hit the hunter in there weak spot or if his arrows can pierce there amour (unlikely) but if not fual rod PWNS him and I doubt a tree will hinder it unless it’s one off those indestructible halo trees.

[Ion]

Fuel rods are fairly slow moving projectiles. They also glow and have a distinct sound.

The Forest of Death is huge, and Kidoumaru could easily jump from tree to tree and kawarimi if necessary.

[Gig]

what's stopping the hunters from using there Fuel rods to destroy the forest and even if it is huge Kidoumaru can't win by hideing and runing

[Ion]

It's a huge forest, and destroying the whole thing would take quite some time.

Kidoumaru wouldn't just be running and hiding. He would be running to get some distance, hiding to formulate a plan, then attacking to eventually figure out possible ways to breach their defense.

If he could figure out Neji's and the Byakugan's weak spot, he could figure out that trying to shoot the Hunters from the front, where they have a huge slab of metal on their hand as a shield, isn't the best idea.

He would eventually realize that the large opening in their at their armor's back would be the best place to shoot.

[Gig]

It's a huge forest, and destroying the whole thing would take quite some time.

Kidoumaru wouldn't just be running and hiding. He would be running to get some distance, hiding to formulate a plan, then attacking to eventually figure out possible ways to breach their defense.

If he could figure out Neji's and the Byakugan's weak spot, he could figure out that trying to shoot the Hunters from the front, where they have a huge slab of metal on their hand as a shield, isn't the best idea.

He would eventually realize that the large opening in their at their armor's back would be the best place to shoot.

i serpose your right the weak spot is a bit obvious after all

[Blix]

Another factor that comes into play is if Kidoumaru doesn't play too much. He lost to neji because of that. But if he plays it smart then he wins.

[Ion]

Actually, Kidoumaru doesn't play around at all. He was going for the kill from the start. He just wasn't used to fighting someone with Neji's abilities and intelligence.

Hunters, however, are far from geniuses.

[Tash]

Kidomaru, but I wonder how he would fair against teh MR. Bubbles.

[Arishem]

A single fuel rod gun's blast would set a bunch of trees on fire. It's an anti-tank weapon that fires a concentrated blast of radioactive energy. According to the Halo wiki, it has 2 shots per second rate of fire. Four Lekgolos spamming shots will cause a tremendous forest fire in no time. Not to mention, they use fuel rod cannons now, which fire a continous stream of powerful plasma. A single shot will kick off a huge blaze.

Hunters aren't stupid either. They are probably as smart as the average human. It was mentioned in the novels that they recite poetry and meditate a lot in their spare time. Finally, Frank O'Connor from Bungie said they have a complex society. A species made up of idiots wouldn't have such.

That being said, I think this fight could go either way. Kidoumaru could probably take one out, but that would cause its partner to go berserk, meaning a flurry of fuel rod cannon blasts. The trees he's using to his advantage will become flaming death traps. Even a grazing shot will do some serious damage, since plasma is HOT.

[Ion]

A single fuel rod gun's blast would set a bunch of trees on fire. It's an anti-tank weapon that fires a concentrated blast of radioactive energy. According to the Halo wiki, it has 2 shots per second rate of fire. Four Lekgolos spamming shots will cause a tremendous forest fire in no time. Not to mention, they use fuel rod cannons now, which fire a continous stream of powerful plasma. A single shot will kick off a huge blaze.

Hunters aren't stupid either. They are probably as smart as the average human. It was mentioned in the novels that they recite poetry and meditate a lot in their spare time. Finally, Frank O'Connor from Bungie said they have a complex society. A species made up of idiots wouldn't have such.

That being said, I think this fight could go either way. Kidoumaru could probably take one out, but that would cause its partner to go berserk, meaning a flurry of fuel rod cannon blasts. The trees he's using to his advantage will become flaming death traps. Even a grazing shot will do some serious damage, since plasma is HOT.Wait...

Are we going by the games or the novels?

[Arishem]

Hmm, I'm not so sure myself. Halo 1 hunters are total push overs. The following excerpt details the changes they received in Halo 2.

"The Hunters have undergone a number of changes for Halo 2. While they appear in fewer numbers, they are tougher and more dangerous. The most notable change is their new weapon: although similar to the old Fuel Rod Gun, the new Fuel Rod Cannon fires a continuous beam of green plasma rather than an arcing projectile. This new weapon is more damaging if not dodged carefully. In addition, the Hunters are over 25% larger[6] and faster, making combat against them much more hectic. Fortunately, all these go towards your advantage when playing the Arbiter; the Hunters are then powerful and durable allies. They have gained a new move, too: the ability to attack an enemy behind them. This effectively makes the old strategy of "dodge-and-fire" far less effective." I guess it's up to the OP as for what we are supposed to go by.

Edit: This addresses their increased durability.

"Finally, the Hunters have much more health. Most small arms do rather moderate damage against them, in contrast to the M6D's ability to kill them in a single shot. For example, on Normal difficulty, it takes 13 shots from the M6C Magnum Sidearm, 6 full bursts from the Battle Rifle, or 10 shots from the Covenant Carbine to kill a Hunter. On Heroic and lower difficulties, sniper weapons will kill a Hunter in a single shot. However, on Legendary, not a single weapon (except, of course, the Scarab Gun, which is never present during a fight with Hunters anyway) can kill them in one hit. Even a SRS99C-S2 AM Sniper Rifle or Beam Rifle will take two shots to kill a Hunter on Legendary. Often, the most effective weapon against them is the one that does the most damage: the Rocket Launcher is greatly effective, as is the Fuel Rod Cannon. While these weapons take two and three shots respectively to kill a Hunter on Legendary, they can damage one regardless of where it hits it.

Grenades still do little damage against Hunters, and it will usually take a large amount of them to take one down. However, grenades, handheld or fired from the Brute Shot, will disorient a Hunter, giving the player an opportunity to shoot at its exposed flesh. Perhaps the most effective method to defeat a Hunter would be to stick a plasma grenade to it and shoot it in its exposed back with a beam rifle or sniper rifle."

[Ion]

Thing is, Kidoumaru's arrows are quite powerful, going so far as to tear up quite a bit of ground and push apart trees just from the wake of their path, despite their lack of sniper bullet level velocity.

The fuel rod cannon would be trouble, however.

But even still, Kidoumaru wasn't anywhere near Neji when he shot his arrow. Even if they do spam fuel rod shots, the Hunter's fire would still take time to spread.

But I guess since he has to fight four of them, this wouldn't be easy.

If he only had to take out two, he would have a much easier time of it.

[Vance]

Hmm, book Halo Hunters, or game? Tough one. I guess we'll use the ones from the novels, since in the game, they are pretty easy to take down, and they are extremely hyped in the novels.

[Ion]

Oh, in that case, I don't know nearly enough to accurately gauge this.

[Vance]

It's tough. Especially since in the novels they overhype characters...I mean, in the first novel, the ODSTs had to use SNIPER RIFLES to kill Kig Yar (a.k.a Jackals)

[TWF]

Kidoumaru's arrows lack the power to stomp a Hunter unless he hits them multiple times in their weak points. Neji survived multiples hits from his maxium powered arrows at CS2. I'm inclinded from this showing as how a banshee rammed into a Hunter and it shrugged it off from maximum velocity in First Strike to show that he can't kill more then one of them at most.

[Vance]

I agree, but this is a forest. Even though Kidoumaru lacks the manpower to defeat a Hunter, he can simply wear them down with his arrows, leaping from tree to tree. He stayed out of Neji's range, and was able to set up traps. Of course, if a Hunter gets to him with a clean shot of a fuel rod cannon, it's most likely over. I wonder if the giant spiders could bite the Hunters, be kind of funny, like the small flood.

[TWF]

Doubt if would be effective as you literally have thousands of thousands of worms forming a colony/colonies in the Hunter's body. Wouldn't be worth much. What's stopping them from simply blasting the forest apart?

[Vance]

I doubt they can manually destroy 10 kilometers. The Forest of Death's trees are very thick. The best thing to do would be to start a fire, and have one Hunter as lookout.

As for the colonies of worms, I'm just saying; couldn't the spiders simply try and bite and loosen the worms until the Hunters literally fall apart?

[TWF]

There's a reason why there's so much armor on the Hunters to protect them. And no, the spiders can't loosen it. That's starship grade armor, from what the novels tell us.

[Vance]

If they attack the fleshy parts, could they not wear the worms down? I was always confused at how Hunters are formed. Like, couldn't the worms escape and leave the armor lying there as they jiggle out, or are they strapped in tightly.

[TWF]

There is no information on how they were born or how the colonies were formed to form the Hunter itself at the moment.

[Vance]

Meh, I guess we can just assume that the worms ar tightly fastened to their armor, right?

I mean, if thy weren't, wouldn't the survivors escape from the armor after one has been killed? Too many assumptions.

[TWF]

Because it's likely that they form a collective, and if the colony dies, the individuals die as well.

[Vance]

Hmm, I wonder if they are attatched together, or maybe there is a main link. I don't know, we'll have to wait until the ODSTs one day wake up and say "I wonder what Hunters look like inside"

[Arishem]

In a Bungie Weekly Update, Frank O'Connor said: "Hunter society is complex and we have seen but the tiniest fraction of it. There are some fundamental facts about Hunter biology that mean the combat type is just the tip of the iceberg."[4] This means, or at least implies, that there are other kinds of Hunters that simply have yet to be seen.

Ok, I definitely want a Halo Encyclopedia once H3 is done and over with. It'd be cool if they started a live-action TV series with a good budget.

[Vance]

Hmm, I can imagine the Hunters being animated. It'd probably be a regular Master Chief hype.

Also, as for Kidoumaru's arrows, can Hunters avoid them? They're basically walking tanks.

[Arishem]

I'm pretty sure Lekgolo armor is too strong for Kidoumaru's arrows to get through. Since there are four Hunters, they could just stand in a close circle to protect their backsides, while firing streams of plasma to level the surrounding forest. A single blast fired in a sweeping motion should be able to cut down and ignite a bunch of trees.

[Vance]

That would leave them vulnerable to web, and hordes of summoned spiders. Also, Hunters are also vulnerable near the neck, and their stomach. I'm sure Kidoumaru will find a chink in their armor.

[Kai]

Hunters are pretty stupid and primitive, really. With stealth, Kidoumaru will pull this off no doubt.

On the flipside, a single hit from the opposition, physical or via plasma sends him to the heavens.

Edit: Novel incarnations would be different from what I hear though.

[Vance]

Hunters are really not "stupid" They're actually intelligent, just they look like morons compared to Elites.

[TWF]

Hunters are pretty stupid and primitive, really. With stealth, Kidoumaru will pull this off no doubt.

On the flipside, a single hit from the opposition, physical or via plasma sends him to the heavens.

Edit: Novel incarnations would be different from what I hear though.

Novels take precendence over game mechanics. Hunters are trained to work in pairs. These guys wipe out companies of marines. And not just on the emphasis of their firepower do they do so. Many marines have died...including even ODST's and Spartans due to underestimating Hunters's intelligence.

[Sesshoumaru]

In the novels, the Master Chief was nearly killed many times by Hunters.

[ladiida]

Hunters are nearly bulletproof, and rocket resistant. How does Kidoumaru fling arrows at bullet velocities?

[Ion]

Hunters are nearly bulletproof, and rocket resistant. How does Kidoumaru fling arrows at bullet velocities?He wouldn't be aiming for the armored points...

[Gig]

Hunters are pretty stupid and primitive, really. With stealth, Kidoumaru will pull this off no doubt.

On the flipside, a single hit from the opposition, physical or via plasma sends him to the heavens.

Edit: Novel incarnations would be different from what I hear though.

Hunters supposedly one of the smarter races in the covenant they are mentioned to live in there own highly developed society and even recite poetry.

[Ulfgar]

In GoO Hunters take multiple S2 shots to the stomach and keep going. to kill one Kidomaru would have to obliterate that entire area. also though the neck is weak it is withdrawn into the armor at the start of fighting.

[Vance]

People underestimate Kidoumaru's arrows in my opinion. It left part of a forest in shambles just by flinging by it.

I don't see the Hunters actually hitting Kidoumaru, though.

[TWF]

Hunters could sniff him out.

[Vance]

True, but Kidoumaru could simply avoid them. You do realize he stood out of Neji's range and still was beating on him.

[TWF]

And Neji still beat him. Those Fuel Rod Cannons have a lot more range then Jyuuken.

[Vance]

Neji only beat him due to the fact that he exerted chakra to the strings that Kidoumaru attatched to his warbow. Had that not have happened (I don't think any one other than Neji could've done that in the Rescue Sasuke Team) He would have been dead.

And those Fuel Rod Cannons are not hard to dodge in a forest, they COULD cause a forest fire, but that might injure themselves.