View Full Version : God-Emperor vs Chaos Gods
Lets keep it here.
Starting by looking at this quote from "Realm of Chaos, th Lost and the Damned"
As the spirit of the Emperor drifted through the warp it gradually dissolved into the flow of energy, returning to the cosmic force of the nature of the warp in its uncorrupted form. Only a tiny core of the Emperor's humanity remained whole, like a small child bobbing upon the tide of a colossal storm in a tiny reed boat.
We can here clearly see that, the Warp, essentialy Chaos represent the ocean, were the Emperor, or Starchild, is like a little child in a boat in comperison.
The Pink Ninja
09-11-2007, 06:27 PM
The big artbook (Who'se name I ahve forgotten) that tells the story of the Herasy from start to end says the Chaos God's realm was being washed away by the mere existance of the Emperor, hence Horus.
Ulfgar
09-11-2007, 07:17 PM
LOL What? The emperor has nothing near the Chaos gods levels of power.
The Pink Ninja
09-11-2007, 07:24 PM
Depends who you read.
In Gaunt's Ghosts they imply there are God of Light and Order allied to The Emperor. In a short story in the Deathwing book an Inquisitor finds someone he thinks could be a new Emperor in terms of physic power. In The Eye of Terror book one story set in the future says the Chaos Gods win. The C'Tan aren't as strong as the Chaos Gods but they are older and can cut them out of reality if they complete their grand plan (Which would probably destroy the Chaos Gods).
The C'tan are stronger then the Chaos Gods when their in the material universe, the Chaos Gods are at their strongest in the Warp. The Star Gods are essentially more or less equal to the Chaos Gods.
Wesley
09-11-2007, 07:35 PM
The Birth of Slannesh is the greatest recent event attributed to the power of Chaos, and it resulted in what exactly? Billions of combusted Eldar and the Eye of Terror and Slannesh used up most of It's excess power in the process. We can assume that's a high end, once in an aeon Chaos event.
Was the Eye of Terror impressive enough an event to justify it's rarity and cost?
Gaelek_13
09-11-2007, 07:49 PM
The Birth of Slannesh is the greatest recent event attributed to the power of Chaos, and it resulted in what exactly? Billions of combusted Eldar and the Eye of Terror and Slannesh used up most of It's excess power in the process. We can assume that's a high end, once in an aeon Chaos event.
Was the Eye of Terror impressive enough an event to justify it's rarity and cost?
Bearing in mind that Slaanesh is the 4th and weakest of the Chaos Gods, yes and the Fall of the Eldar was brought about by his/her birth not because of any conscious attack it made.
To be honest the Chaos Gods are just exceedingly powerful Daemons, Daemons that grew to such power as to be called Gods. Hell, when The Emperor launched his final deathblast upon Horus the Chaos Gods recoiled in fear....
Wesley
09-11-2007, 07:58 PM
At the time of It's birth, Slaanesh was the most powerful being in the Warp.
Keyword being most recent as Slaanesh is the youngest of the Four Chaos Gods.
The Anti-Existence
09-11-2007, 08:48 PM
Gork'n' Mork win.
Darklyre
09-11-2007, 09:28 PM
Da Foot o' Gork stomps all dese humies an' dem spiky onez!
I remember reading somewhere that all the gods residing in the warp are actually aspects of the chaos gods, no matter how benevolent they are, meaning once the Emporer became a god, he became part of the chaos gods. That would mean even if he wins, chaos wins.
Im thinking he'd be part Tzeentch myself.
Its in a big book about chaos by the black library.
Depends who you read.
Yeah, Imperial propaganda is much like reading the bible, base-less one-sided information.
Gork'n' Mork win.
Actually, the idea of them laughing at the Chaos Gods from the Titan, are just an explanation to their resistance towards their corruption.
Neither the Chaos Gods, Gork and Mork have physical forms.
- The four major forces of the Warp is still the Gods.
The C'tan are stronger then the Chaos Gods when their in the material universe, the Chaos Gods are at their strongest in the Warp. The Star Gods are essentially more or less equal to the Chaos Gods.
The Chaos Gods cannot manifest outside the Warp themselves, and the C'tan have been severely weakened not to mention being futher weakened by the metal bodies they're in.
But in the warp the C'tans would be non-sentinent bio-energy, as were the essence of the Chaos Gods leaks through the warp.
The Anti-Existence
09-12-2007, 04:00 AM
Yeah, Imperial propaganda is much like reading the bible, base-less one-sided information.
You've succeeded in insulting two religions at once.
And BTW, The Horus Heresy books aren't Imperial propaganda. It's just the fact the Emperor kicked Chaos' ass.
And since faith is power and the more people who believe in the Emperor help increase his presence in the Warp, he'll be far stronger than any Chaos God in future.
Wesley
09-12-2007, 04:04 AM
I'm more interested in that Eldar God of Death that's benig created piece by piece in the Worldcraft. In the context of the Warp, how much is a human worth compared to an Eldar on average?
You've succeeded in insulting two religions at once.
That wasn't my intention, but I see what you're getting at.
But two religions? - I doubt that there is someone who actually belive in a fiction, the same way as a christian belives in God and Jesus.
- I apologize to all the followers of the Bible though.
And BTW, The Horus Heresy books aren't Imperial propaganda. It's just the fact the Emperor kicked Chaos' ass.
They are depicted as they would by imperialists, all the Emperor succeded in doing was drive out the chaos energy.
The Gods themselves sat unharmed in their realm.
And since faith is power and the more people who believe in the Emperor help increase his presence in the Warp, he'll be far stronger than any Chaos God in future.
Wrong, the Imperial is slowly being torn apart by Chaos, and the Starchild is weakening as time passes.
That's why the imperialists don't wake the Emperor, because they fear that his soul has been corrupted by Chaos.
I'm more interested in that Eldar God of Death that's benig created piece by piece in the Worldcraft. In the context of the Warp, how much is a human worth compared to an Eldar on average?
Yes, Y'nnead is in fact an interesting character.
Y'nnead is the hope of the Eldar, the one they think will defeat Slaanesh.
But the only way to actually defeat Slaanesh is by ereasing all the emotions that feeds him, in the entire universe.
But as we know, Warhammer will always be about war, and hope is necessary to make the soldiers keep on comming, few fights with motivation when sure of losing.
The same goes for the Emperor.
Wesley
09-12-2007, 03:49 PM
You mean the Death God already exists after a fashion? I thought it'd be a spontaneous thing like with how Slaneesh was born.
Art of Run
09-12-2007, 04:41 PM
Tzneetch wins. *Tzneetch Tard*
Crimson Dragoon
09-12-2007, 04:53 PM
Tzneetch wins. *Tzneetch Tard*
Same here. Tzeentch is my absolute favorite Chaos God. Second would be Khorne.
Palpatine + Tzneetch blessing = win.
Tzneetch wins. *Tzneetch Tard*
Same here. Tzeentch is my absolute favorite Chaos God. Second would be Khorne.
Palpatine + Tzneetch blessing = win.
You're all insane, Khorne is the one and only :notrust
Wesley
09-12-2007, 05:59 PM
Khaine > Khorne. Even screwed over by massive amounts of Eldar Decadance he still managed to survive against Slaneesh.
Khaine > Khorne. Even screwed over by massive amounts of Eldar Decadance he still managed to survive against Slaneesh.
Do you know where Khaine is currently?
He's devided into a thousand avatar, or pieces if you will.
Slaanesh was controling Khaine, and Khorne saw the potential in Khaine and fought Slaanesh for it, in the end as I mentioned above, Khaine was torn into pieces.
Oh, and he survived (more or less) because he is immortal, like the other Gods.
Wesley
09-12-2007, 06:24 PM
That's not what I heard. I heard that Slaneesh, ampped up by the greater part of the Eldar civilization devoured all the Eldar Gods, except for Khaine and the Laughing God, who hid in the webway. Khaine wasn't strong enough to win, but too strong to die and instead shattered into pieces for the Eldar to use as their Avatars.
Of course you hear all kinds of things when it comes to 40k. That's the beauty of it. Depending upon who you ask, you get a different story.
Wesley
09-12-2007, 06:32 PM
Laughing God survived?
It may depend upon who you ask, but that's the story. While Slaneesh was distracted with Khaine, he ran to the Webway and since he was the only one who knew every route held within, he managed to hide himself, and continues to do so til this day. That's who the Harlequinns worship, the Laughing God, and unlike every other Eldar, their souls go to the Laughing God when they die, unlike those who use soulstones or are sent to Slaneesh.
Darklyre
09-13-2007, 01:07 AM
Khorne wins.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
No one, except maybe the Night Lords or the Orks, has a warcry that awesome.
Commissar Cain > Khorn.
He's a cosmic.
Darklyre
09-13-2007, 02:06 AM
Commissar Cain > Khorn.
He's a cosmic.
Cain's totally unfair! He hits on Inquisitors and gets away with it!
Wesley
09-13-2007, 04:15 AM
I'd heard he was pretty much 40k's answer to Rincewind.
ydraliskos
09-13-2007, 06:58 AM
Do explain!
The Anti-Existence
09-13-2007, 01:39 PM
The Immortal God-Emperor, empowered by the faith of untold bajillions in the Imperium, is easily stronger than any Chaos God.
Only Gork and Mork, due to numbers and the latent psychic power of all Orks, can be stronger.
The Warp itself is stronger then anything. God-Emperor of IoM, Ork Gods, C'tan, Chaos Gods.
The Warp itself is stronger then anything. God-Emperor of IoM, Ork Gods, C'tan, Chaos Gods.
The Warp isn't sentinent, and it doesn't have its own power.
It's the name of the realm were thoughts manifest.
And the four major forces in the Warp are the four Chaos Gods.
http://i18.tinypic.com/4mu35g8.jpg
Arishem
09-13-2007, 05:34 PM
It may depend upon who you ask, but that's the story. While Slaneesh was distracted with Khaine, he ran to the Webway and since he was the only one who knew every route held within, he managed to hide himself, and continues to do so til this day. That's who the Harlequinns worship, the Laughing God, and unlike every other Eldar, their souls go to the Laughing God when they die, unlike those who use soulstones or are sent to Slaneesh.
The Laughing God also convinced the C'tan known as the Outsider to start eating his kin.
The Laughing God also convinced the C'tan known as the Outsider to start eating his kin.
Not to mention that he tricked him out of the galaxy. Take that C'tan Deceiver, you've just been replaced.
Arishem
09-13-2007, 06:05 PM
Although I've never played the tabletop game, it'd be interesting to see these more obscure deities as miniatures.
Darklyre
09-13-2007, 09:18 PM
Deceiver:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/necrons/miniature-gallery/images/deceiver.jpg
Nightbringer:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/necrons/miniature-gallery/images/nightbringer.jpg
Arishem
09-13-2007, 09:20 PM
I want Void Dragon, Outsider, and the Eldar Laughing God. :notrust
TS your set! KARAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I want Void Dragon, Outsider, and the Eldar Laughing God. :notrust
The Void dragon and the Outsider probably won't come out as miniature, the main reason for that being that they could blink the battlesite empty of enemies.
- But then again they're weakened due to their metal bodies so it's not impossible. But they have to show up in the lore and and be present for a bit.
The Eldar Gods are 'abstract' being in the Warp, so same goes for him.
But if you really want miniatures like this you could order a costumized unit, I recall someone buying a costumized Emperor for $1,000, the gods are bigger so they'll probably cost more.
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