Harry Potter vs. Eragon

[Manwë Súlimo]

Harry Potter in his seventh year against Eragon after his training with Oromis. Harry only gets his wand and Eragon only gets Zar'roc. Fight takes place on the Burning Plains of Alagaesia.

[master bruce]

they both lose.
why? because I hate harry potter and eragon is made of fail.

[strongarm85]

Eragon wins because Dragons > Boy Wizzards.

[Manwë Súlimo]

^Well, that's not really true- Harry did outwit a Hungarian Horntail once, and Saphira isn't even in this battle.

And, Master Bruce, can I guess that you only saw the movies, and didn't read the books?

[Shamandalie]

Eragon is so full of cliches that Harry could predict all of his movements.

So Harry wins.

[Manwë Súlimo]

I can see no one is taking this seriously...

[Enclave]

Looking at this in an unbiased way.

Eragon uses magic to burst a blood vessel in Harry's brain without Harry even knowing that Eragon is using magic. Eragon wins.

Before anybody thinks I am some Eragon fanboy you should know that I believe the Inheritance books are the biggest pieces of plaugerised trash ever to exist.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Story-wise, yes, they are rather cliched. But they are very well written, IMHO.

[Enclave]

No, they are not cliche they rife with flat out plagiarism and most certainly are NOT well written. I read the books myself for 2 reasons.

1. I don't believe you have the right to critisize somebodies work unless you have read/watched it yourself.

2. It's bloody hilarious at how badly written it is. I'll sometimes even go as far as to read paragraphs to friends of mine so we can laugh at the horrible plagiarism, structure and grammar.

You have to remember, even if many people find it entertaining it doesn't mean that it is actually well written and not plagiarised.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Eragon wins because he's a Gary Stu.

[Banhammer]

Eragon wins because it's a star wars medieval style.

Oh, you mean in a fight? No sphira? Well, Harry's wand is the elder wand so it cannot be beat. Unless it can.
Still, Eragon will not strike emediatly if he thinks he sees a magical person.
Harry uses curcio, imperio, occupcio(the spell that makes inanimate things attack, I think that's what it's called) on his sword and this battle is won

[Manwë Súlimo]

Well Enclave, each to his own, then.

[Banhammer]

An orphan boy living alone with his uncle finds something vital to the resistance against the empire, sent by a major princess, who is shortly afterwards captured by the evil emperor's right hand, message wich is acctually guided for an old knight desguised as a mad old man.
This even before the fight actually starts

[Manwë Súlimo]

Eragon wins because it's a star wars medieval style.

Oh, you mean in a fight? No sphira? Well, Harry's wand is the elder wand so it cannot be beat. Unless it can.
Still, Eragon will not strike emediatly if he thinks he sees a magical person.
Harry uses curcio, imperio, occupcio(the spell that makes inanimate things attack, I think that's what it's called) on his sword and this battle is won

True, Eragon won't strike immediately if he knows Harry uses magic, but he will put up wards to defend himself from magic, which would inhibit the effectiveness of Harry's spells.

[Banhammer]

wards? I never saw him nullifing magic! Only fighting it with other magic, wich drains his energy, a flaw Harry Potter does not share

Harry, on the other hand, can cast protego totalum on his glasses, and as soon as eragon tries to pop a blood vessel, he kills himself

[Manwë Súlimo]

In the second book, wards are spells designed to resist various types of magical attacks. Once cast, they automatically draw upon a person's magical energy if he is attacked.

And by the end of the second book, Eragon has a lot of magical energy. Zar'roc can also be used to store energy, and Eragon knows a technique (that he hates to use) that drains the life force of other creatures and replenishes his energy.

Also, about they story- well, at least Brom's identity is not revealed until his death, and Arya's is not revealed until well into the second book (books only, I hate that the movie revealed their identities earlier).

[Banhammer]

he goes to a forest to learn from a master than lives in comunion with nature because of a vision and leaves when he recieves another vision from the impending danger of his friends
The most dangerous villan is a family member who was good, but turned to the dark side
I can go all day
Harry Still casts protego totalum on any piece of his clothes with elder wand and relect all kinds of magic back at eragon
You said all eragon was getting was his sword, leave the family jewels out of this, or give harry the invisibility cloak and the sword of griffindor

[Blizzard chain]

Whoever gets 1st strike in wins likely.
If harry's completely bloodlusted with the elder wand and lands an aveda kedavra, he would win, but i'd say that is unlikely since eragon has better reflexes, and could potentioly dodge it and counter by stopping his heart.

[Manwë Súlimo]

he goes to a forest to learn from a master than lives in comunion with nature because of a vision and leaves when he recieves another vision from the impending danger of his friends
The most dangerous villan is a family member who was good, but turned to the dark side
I can go all day
Harry Still casts protego totalum on any piece of his clothes with elder wand and relect all kinds of magic back at eragon
You said all eragon was getting was his sword, leave the family jewels out of this, or give harry the invisibility cloak and the sword of griffindor

There are sufficient differences for it to not to be a complete rip-off.

I never included the jeweled belt. Zar'roc, Eragon's sword, has a jewel in its hilt that can store magic.

I'm not familiar with Protego Tolalum (I've only read up to book four). What is that?

[Banhammer]

Zar'roc it his father lightsaber, I mean sword, that has a colour matchinf the jedi, I mean, dragon rider's aura

Protego Totalum is an upgrade to protego, who can reflect magic and phisical damage at pretty much anything beneath an unforgivable curse

[Manwë Súlimo]

Alright, I know that Eragon is similar Star Wars. I never said otherwise. My point is that it's different enough.

Hmm... doesn't block unforgivable curses, hm? I'd say that the life-draining technique is on the level of an unforgivable curse.

[Banhammer]

While he does that WHAM imperio
Or Sectumsempra ftw

[Enclave]

There is so much more plagiarism than just Star Wars. Star Wars is just the most commonly known as it is so well known itself. Look it up some time, you will be amazed at how many different authors Paolini blatantly ripped off. I'm amazed he hasn't been sued.

[Banhammer]

I expected Legolas to start froliking around in the middle of the elves

[Manwë Súlimo]

This is not a debate on the qualities (or lack thereof) of the Inheritance trilogy.

Imperius Curse- No. Eragon is well trained against mental influences.
What is sectusempra?

[Enclave]

Sectumsempra viciously slices the target.

Anyways, Harry dies via burst blood vessel, this really should have been the end of it.

Inheritence Trilogy sucks though.

[Kyjin]

I'd have to say Harry Potter.

[Banhammer]

imperius- ever so much more than legimancy, it actual mind controll
Curcio- Got ya there
Sectumsempra- Vicious slash with a wound that cannot be healed by anyone other than severus snape, with elder wand easly slices a person in half
blood vessel- reflected back by protego, eragon kils himself either by bursting his own bloood vessel or by exausting himself to death with a single spell since it fully drains him untill it tries to hit (wich never will)

[Manwë Súlimo]

Imperius- So, what? It may be different than mind control in Eragon, but Eragon is still trained to resist mental influences

Crucio, Sectumsempra, etc.- Wards should provide adequate defenses. Also, Eragon has superhuman reflexes and speed, so he can dodge what he can't block.

About Protego Totalum- it's not completely invincible, so the most deadly attacks in Eragon should work well, especially if a lot of energy is put behind them. And it's not going to stop Eragon from rushing up to Harry and decapitating him with Zar'roc.

[Banhammer]

Wards-Harry Potter magic does not take the toll it does on eragon. Therefore, with sectumsempra a couple of times and eragon dies of exaustion

Curcio-Needs no aim, after a little while, Eragon dies of exaustion

Protego Totalum- It can reflect eragon's sword slashin', and by the time eragon gets to harry, he can use transfiguration to turn Zar'roc into a broomstick and then animation spells to make it attack eragon itself
Eragon's most deadly attacks get reflected in the protego totalum range, if he has to put that much energy, he dies of exaustion before even bothering harry
plus, he knows enough counterspells to anything eragon can dish out

[Enclave]

Thing is though magic in Eragon can be done completely mentally with no sign of actually casting a spell. Harry wouldn't even know to cast protego in that case and would just die.

[Manwë Súlimo]

You're seriously underestimating Eragon's energy after training with Oromis.

Give me a reason why Protego Totalum would work on life-drainage, and doesn't on Unforgivable Curses.

[Banhammer]

I remember clearly Eragon needing to say words^

The Patronus charm is likely to ofend off life draining
and while he takes his time to drain life, harry turns zar'roc againt him

[Enclave]

I remember clearly Eragon needing to say words^

He doesn't expressly need to anymore, just saying the words leaves no room for error that non-verbal casting creates.

Besides, how would Harry know Eragon is casting a spell? Harry would just see a guy with a sword saying some gibberish and has no wand and suddenly he dies from a stroke.

[Manwë Súlimo]

In the second book, it is explained that it is possible to cast magic without words. The user just has a higher risk of miscasting the spell, as words help solidify what the spell will be. And Eragon has done the life-draining spell without speaking.

[Banhammer]

So? In that logic, Eragon see's a nerd with a stick mumbling giberish before his head falls of
And harry has non verbal spells as well
He actually does a non verbal imperius

[Manwë Súlimo]

With that logic, it depends on who gets first strike. In that case, Eragon's Dragon Rider speed and reflexes ftw.

[Enclave]

The problem there though is that Eragon has wards while Harry doesn't which gives a huge defensive advantage to Eragon.

[Banhammer]

Protego Totalum>Wards
imobilarbus at 7th grade+ elder wand nullify reflexes

[Manwë Súlimo]

No, it's been established that Protego Totalum requires the user to know what spell the opponent is casting, which either won't work because Harry can't understand the Ancient Language or Eragon uses magic nonverbally. Wards work for any magical attack, verbal or nonverbal.

And again, wards protect Eragon from being slowed.

[Banhammer]

No, it hasn't, that was pure invention of yours
Protego Totalum can even be casted upon an object to allow the user to be always under protego

Wards drain eragon's energy, wich slows eragon, and tires eragon.
Here cames the kick in the wards nuts
HP magic does not wear the wizards energy, therefore, unlike a ward wich has an energy limit, any potter spell either mooves unafected by the wards, or instantly drains it, killing eragon.
Or even if harry uses expuslo, it might be more than enough to kill eragon or at the very least drain his wards, because this spell can explode through walls, a bigger energy feat than any elven or human or hybrid body can handle

And by the way, he can just use oppugno on Zar'roc and turn it against eragon.
What's he gonna do now? Protego to reflect anything he throws at him, and his sword out for revenge?

[Enclave]

No, it hasn't, that was pure invention of yours
Protego Totalum can even be casted upon an object to allow the user to be always under protego

Wards drain eragon's energy, wich slows eragon, and tires eragon.
Here cames the kick in the wards nuts
HP magic does not wear the wizards energy, therefore, unlike a ward wich has an energy limit, any potter spell either mooves unafected by the wards, or instantly drains it, killing eragon.
Or even if harry uses expuslo, it might be more than enough to kill eragon or at the very least drain his wards, because this spell can explode through walls, a bigger energy feat than any elven or human or hybrid body can handle

And by the way, he can just use oppugno on Zar'roc and turn it against eragon.
What's he gonna do now? Protego to reflect anything he throws at him, and his sword out for revenge?

Harry needs to cast Protego, to do that he needs to know somebody is casting a spell at him. With Eragon he won't know that a spell is being cast at him which nullifies this advantage.

Also Eragon doesn't get tired out easily, it would take Harry a long time to tire Eragon out to the point where he starts slowing down and in that time Harry would be long dead.

This is a curb stomp thread.

[Banhammer]

Where has that ever been stated? 'Cause in book 5 says that it can be cast on a pice o clothing and allow the user to wander around protected against all of those jinxes.
wards have no advantage, since they have an energy limit, and hp does not

Plus, he can use immobilarbus, and because this spell is not bound b any ammount of energy, eragon will say something like "unbind" wich will drain himself to death.
even if he dosen't, by the time he addapts to this, harry has sectumsempra'd his head off

[Enclave]

Sorry man but you are certainly sounding like a Harry Potter fanboy right now.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Eragon has the power of Gary Stuness. He cannot lose!!

[Banhammer]

Sorry man but you are certainly sounding like a Harry Potter fanboy right now.

and you just lost the argument with a fallacy

[Pintsize]

Which is the bigger rip off: the sword of truth or the inheritance trilogy?

kgo!

[Banhammer]

inheritance

[Enclave]

and you just lost the argument with a fallacy

Look, I'm a big Harry Potter fan. However I've read the Inheritance books and really this is quite the curb stomping. If you are so adamantly against this fact then the only real explanation is fanboyism. It's sad but true.

[Banhammer]

No, the truth is that you fail to completly understand the mechanics, but I'mma try to explain this for you
Eragon's magic has an energy source, this being the caster, it takes as much energy to do something magically as it would phisically, however, magic can drain you beyond any psychological block's you might have, wich means, if you cast a spell against something wich your spell won't work, that simple spell will just keep casting untill it kills you.
Harry Potter magic does not need such power source, therefore, any curse it's sent, can only be countered by a specific counter curse.
So if Harry binds him in any way,(using immobilarbus should do the trick, since it dosen't even need aiming, though leglock is just as efective) and if eragon tries to unbind, it will completly kill him, since all energy will be spent in failing him
Much like trying to open a sealed door by just screaming at it.
If he only tries to lessen the bind, harry uses the time eragon takes to learn this will be useless to chop his head off[/thread]

[Enclave]

No, the truth is that you fail to completly understand the mechanics, but I'mma try to explain this for you
Eragon's magic has an energy source, this being the caster, it takes as much energy to do something magically as it would phisically, however, magic can drain you beyond any psychological block's you might have, wich means, if you cast a spell against something wich your spell won't work, that simple spell will just keep casting untill it kills you.
Harry Potter magic does not need such power source, therefore, any curse it's sent, can only be countered by a specific counter curse.
So if Harry binds him in any way,(using immobilarbus should do the trick, since it dosen't even need aiming, though leglock is just as efective) and if eragon tries to unbind, it will completly kill him, since all energy will be spent in failing him
Much like trying to open a sealed door by just screaming at it.
If he only tries to lessen the bind, harry uses the time eragon takes to learn this will be useless to chop his head off[/thread]

What you don't seem to grasp is the fact that magic does have limits, Harry was taught that multiple times. It isn't infinite power thrown into each spell and spells strength also is dependant on the wizard casting the spells as well. Also you seem to forget that Eragon words his spells now in a way that if he casts a spell that is beyond him he can stop it before it drains him too much.

You just seem woefully uninformed on Inheritance and even Harry Potter to realise just how easily Eragon takes his fight. This is just not the least bit fair of a fight.

[Banhammer]

besides the twin cores battle, who had extremly special circumstances ocurring, when has a caster's spell power ever been dampned by the wizard's stamina?

And knowing that protego'ed equipment would reflect the blood vessel rupter, what is there in eragon's arsenal that harry can't just aparate himself away from?
Or turning Zar'roc in a portkey to the middle of the ocean?

[Enclave]

besides the twin cores battle, who had extremly special circumstances ocurring, when has a caster's spell power ever been dampned by the wizard's stamina?

And knowing that protego'ed equipment would reflect the blood vessel rupter, what is there in eragon's arsenal that harry can't just aparate himself away from?
Or turning Zar'roc in a portkey to the middle of the ocean?

First off, where is Harry getting all this protego'd equipment? He's never used it before so why are you including it in this debate? Debates usually rely on the standard equipment of characters. Also Protego doesn't work on all spells so we actually don't even know if it would deflect Eragon bursting a blood vessel, especially once you take into account the fact that Eragon's magic isn't all in projectile form. Also I'm not saying that a spell has been dampened on a Wizards stamina, I'm saying it isn't some infinite well of power. Harry casting for example the leg locker curse and Eragon dispelling it wouldn't mean Eragon dies like you suggested it would.

Also since when has Harry ever shown the capability of turning something into a Port Key? It's very advanced magic that Harry never learned in school or his books. Finally, Harry apparating away would constitute running away and thus giving Eragon the win as Harry has never shown to have apparating skills good enough for in combat use like Dumbledore or Tom have. Not to mention how would apparating away stop Eragon's blood vessel rupturing spell? It isn't like Harry could actually see it coming so how would he know he needs to teleport away?

[Banhammer]

I'm using the protego as you are using the wards, and protego reflects spells. That is a spell right?
Harry by end of book seven is a 38 year old auror, of course he can do all those spells
plus, aparition in battles is used frequently on book 5, he sends a jarda, he aparates behind him and chops his head off

[Wesker]

It was never stated that he knew those spells at the end of the book and how do you know he was an auror?

[Taleran]

they both fail for being crap reads?

[Wesker]

Not to mention the fact that Eragon can dodge most of Harry's spells where as Harry can not dodge most of Eragons.

[Enclave]

I'm using the protego as you are using the wards, and protego reflects spells. That is a spell right?
Harry by end of book seven is a 38 year old auror, of course he can do all those spells
plus, aparition in battles is used frequently on book 5, he sends a jarda, he aparates behind him and chops his head off

Here I thought due to constant mentioning of the Elder Wand and such we were talking about the story proper and not the epilogue. Also, you are using the protego spell in ways never used in the series while the wards Eragon uses are standard fare for him after his training with Oromis.

It was never stated that he knew those spells at the end of the book and how do you know he was an auror?

Rowling mentioned it in an interview.

[Banhammer]

I gave him elder wand to give him teh victory edge, but sure, even auror Harry is enough.
Protego reflects spells very often in the books, reflects bat bogeys, stuning, and even legimancy. It has also reflected phisical blows, punching, waterfalls, and was a known method to survive a fall from a broom at 100kph.
Aparition in battle is used by dumbledore and voldemort, you believe harry wouldn't pick a skill up from those two?
Not to mention Eragon in a wizards fight never starts of with a spell, he starts by trying to get in his mind, wich a trained harry will easly block with Occlumency, probably even reflecting it back at him
It's just too much experience on Harry's side, by the time he Eragon thinks of getting his fight on, he's already giving potter a bj

[master bruce]

^Well, that's not really true- Harry did outwit a Hungarian Horntail once, and Saphira isn't even in this battle.

And, Master Bruce, can I guess that you only saw the movies, and didn't read the books?


you guessed right,man.

[The last Dalek]

Percy Jackson comes in and Bitch slaps them both.

[Banhammer]

Harry Potter wins 'cause he has Mrs Weasley
Eragon->:pwned<-Harry Potter

[Azure Flame Kite]

Hey fourthnin :) I will enjoy this argument :)
So if I remember right Harry sucks at occumency very badly
What will Harry do if Eragon learns that the wand is the source of his power and decides to split it (I can't remember if the elder wand is unbreakable)
Also I am not sure he said Adult Harry I think he meant 17 Harry after he beats Voldemort.

[Enclave]

I gave him elder wand to give him teh victory edge, but sure, even auror Harry is enough.
Protego reflects spells very often in the books, reflects bat bogeys, stuning, and even legimancy. It has also reflected phisical blows, punching, waterfalls, and was a known method to survive a fall from a broom at 100kph.
Aparition in battle is used by dumbledore and voldemort, you believe harry wouldn't pick a skill up from those two?
Not to mention Eragon in a wizards fight never starts of with a spell, he starts by trying to get in his mind, wich a trained harry will easly block with Occlumency, probably even reflecting it back at him
It's just too much experience on Harry's side, by the time he Eragon thinks of getting his fight on, he's already giving potter a bj

I mentioned the apparition due to the fact that I was under the impression that we were talking about 17 year old Harry. However we have no way to know if Harry is nearly proficient enough with apparating to do it mid combat like Dumbledore and Tom, after all those 2 are the only ones we ever saw doing it and I don't think you are suggesting that Harry by 38 years old is on their level yet are you?

Anyways, protego blocks MINOR curses, Eragon can certainly whip up a powerful enough of a spell to break through it without much trouble. Also everything you mentioned aside from legilimency is a projectile spell while many of Eragon's are not projectiles at all so they may actually be able to bypass protego (which Harry actually needs to cast when a spell is cast at him (so he actually needs to know there is a spell being cast at him) unlike Eragon and his wards). Also, how do you know Harry could easily block Eragon's mind reading with Occlumency? Occlumency is supposed to be quite difficult for anybody to learn and Harry has always sucked ass at it, we cannot assume he is some master of it now.

Hey fourthnin :) I will enjoy this argument :)
So if I remember right Harry sucks at occumency very badly
What will Harry do if Eragon learns that the wand is the source of his power and decides to split it (I can't remember if the elder wand is unbreakable)
Also I am not sure he said Adult Harry I think he meant 17 Harry after he beats Voldemort.

Good catch, I just double checked. Yes the topic creator did specify Year 7 Harry. I think this just takes away whatever slim glimmer of hope Harry might have had. At least with 38 year old Auror Harry the extent of his abilities are so horribly unknown that people could make up whatever they wanted about him which makes the debat nearly impossible.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Hi enclave hope u remember me :) I can take this argument check back in like a day or so.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Yes, indeed, I did mean Harry at 17 years of age.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Yea eragon rapes and how exactly will he cast protego on his blood vessals, what is his defense of having his heart compressed, what is his defense of having a stone flung at 300 mph straight through his skull
THAT'S RIGHT HE IS GOING TO DIE BECAUSE HE IS A DEFENSELESS LITTLE WUSS