Haseo VS. Sora

[Azure Flame Kite]

Haseo from .Hack gu.

Vs.

Sora from Kingdom Hearts 2

No party members for either
No Xth form or Skeith for Haseo
No Master of Final forms for Sora
No King Mickey for Sora
And
No Lucky animals for Haseo

Scenario: Sora comes to The World in search for heartless and finds Haseo at the peak of a bad day.

[~Avant~]

If this is Current Sora vs. first form Haseo. Sora destroys him. Second form haseo is a tie. And third form slaughters Sora

[Banhammer]

normal sora was slashing through skyscrapers and reacting to lasers wile fighting jedi stile looooooooooong before using any special forms, and if he wants to play it safe, he can use magic form and killl him from afar, photon debuger, thunder enhancer, magic form and thundaga, combined with magnega fry him in a couple of blasts, and sora can shoot maaaaaaany

plus, he can totally heal with a nigh zero amount of energy left

[~Avant~]

3rd form Haseo is his real form. He got de-evolved when he faught Tri-Edge. Which is why he has different forms.

But 3rd form takes Sora no questions asked.

[Banhammer]

what makes you think that?
Normal sora ca even fly and jump really high

[King Dead]

When I saw the thread title I thought this was the cool Sora from .hack, not the lame clown shoes kid from Kingdom Hearts

[Azure Flame Kite]

If this really is that one sided I will give sora the gift of Riku

[Banhammer]

If this really is that one sided I will give sora the gift of Riku

they hurl half a dozen of skyscrapers heal each other should it ever came to it, and sumon heartless to do the fighting for them should they ever get tired of beating his ass to a pulp

[Azure Flame Kite]

Have you never played a G.U. game?
Or did you just not grasp the concept of their badassness

Btw @ Kingdead sora from .hack sign doesn't stand a chance in the world against haseo

[Banhammer]

I have, and in sora's feat, destroying a master cpu controll center, where he's suposed to have godlike powers is amongst one of them

[Tash]

Sora takes this IMO.

[Kimimaro]

Sora rapes.

[Purgatory]

One word: Skeith

[Azure Flame Kite]

No avatar remmeber

and I don't think sora or riku can survive being ripped in two by a sycthe that recovers the wielder or a broadword that can turn your friends agaisnt you or twin blades that parylaze you

[Banhammer]

No avatar remmeber

and I don't think sora or riku can survive being ripped in two by a sycthe that recovers the wielder or a broadword that can turn your friends agaisnt you or twin blades that parylaze you


Yeah, well, sora has a bagillion swords as well, between the both of them they could probably use 4 at the same time.
Reflega reflects all those swords and nasty efects back at the user, and its instant casting
I don't think haseo would survive after being magega'ed into the air, and then stompraped helpless by sora and riku, and the million heartless riku sumons at the same time

[Purgatory]

Still...

Haseo = Badass
Sora = Goofy

Badass >>>>>>>. Goofy

Rapestomp :pek

[Azure Flame Kite]

Haseo knows magic also
He can heal as well
He can poison people he can recover from status injuries that might have come from reflection
Riku can only weild one sword
and sora has a limited amount of time in drive gauge
Haseo is invincible when he switches weapons
and the MCP from tron did nothing more than Data Drain which Haseo can use without Skeith

[Banhammer]

well, there is no poison in kh
sora can still reflect
we have DUAL healing
riku teleports, sp33dbl1tz!!11! and sends homing bullets, not to mention his own reflective shield
And if you wanna take drive gauge in account, he can just have genie summoned and ask him to send haseo into the sun(oh wait, game mechanics only?)
And your forgeting the titan sized freak we had to beat before
And Sora can still use magnega to trap him and bolt him to hell

[Shiron]

Sora starts summoning Genie. Haseo sees him doing this and jumps to the conclusion that Genie is some form of Avatar that Sora is trying to call upon. Haseo then Data Drain's Sora + Genie, firing the Data Drain blast just as Sora finished summoning Genie, dismissing Genie and severely weakening Sora. Haseo then finishes off Sora with any number of attacks, taking the win.

[Mr. All Sunday]

Sora wins.

Which is a shame since he's such a gigantic queer.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Haseo can seal sora preventing magic use
And if you wanna pull summons you can say Haseo can summon the 3 Azure Knights
And the Azure knights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heartless

[Enclave]

Sora starts summoning Genie. Haseo sees him doing this and jumps to the conclusion that Genie is some form of Avatar that Sora is trying to call upon. Haseo then Data Drain's Sora + Genie, firing the Data Drain blast just as Sora finished summoning Genie, dismissing Genie and severely weakening Sora. Haseo then finishes off Sora with any number of attacks, taking the win.

Why would Sora start by summoning Genie? He himself is already considerably stronger than Genie on his own. He certainly doesn't need Genie there. Also if Haseo tries to Data Drain what's stopping Sora from casting Reflect (and thus data draining Haseo instead) or deflecting the data drain with the Keyblade? Remember, the Keyblade is even more DEM than Data Draining!

[Azure Flame Kite]

I don't think you understand how data drain works, if they are in the world it won't matter if he uses reflect as it being in there would make it data and data drain alters any data

[maximilyan]

End of KH2 Sora = Win

[Xell]

Data Drain wouldn't even work on Sora.. Sora's a real life being, so he isn't made of data.

[Shiron]

Data Drain wouldn't even work on Sora.. Sora's a real life being, so he isn't made of data.
Using that logic, all Haseo is, is just data of The World, so Sora can't hurt him, nor can Haseo hurt Sora, since Haseo only exists within The World. So either Haseo and Sora are fighting in The World, or Haseo becomes real, with his abillities affecting real things instead of data like they do within The World.

Not that that matters though, since he'd be Data Drained as he would be summoning Genie and thus would not be able to try something like Reflect or the Keyblade, since he'd be in the process of summoning at the time.

@Enclave: Data Drain will just drain Reflect's/The Keyblade's data as well... Won't work.

And why'd I mention Genie? Well, of course it wouldn't be the first thing that Sora would try. It's just what the whole thing wuld ultimately lead up to (people resorting to "Sora summoning Genie, and has Genie turn Haseo into an ant or something" type argument), so I skipped to that, since it would be the real deciding point of the fight.

[Azure Flame Kite]

@Enclave: Data Drain will just drain Reflect's/The Keyblade's data as well... Won't work.


Won't work because why?

[Shiron]

Won't work because why?
I was referring to how the Keyblade/Reflect won't work in the second sentence, not Data Drain. My first sentence in that post is the why: Data Drain would just drain the data of the Reflect barrier/the Keyblade.

[Art of Run]

Genie. And then there is Final Form. Then the fact he can cut through multiple skyscrapers in about a second.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Soundwave do lack the ability to read?

[Wuzzman]

Sora wins....shoves sky scraper cutting keyblade in Haseo throat...

[Azure Flame Kite]

I can assure you haseo can block a skyscaper cutting attack

[Enclave]

I was referring to how the Keyblade/Reflect won't work in the second sentence, not Data Drain. My first sentence in that post is the why: Data Drain would just drain the data of the Reflect barrier/the Keyblade.

Prove it then. The Keyblade has never been shown to be incapable of deflecting anything before, same goes for Reflect. What makes Data Drain so special that it can instantly negate one of the main features of the Keyblade?

Of course then there is the fact that Sora isn't Data so Data Draining could very well be completely ineffective against him even if by some crazy reason Data Draining could bypass the Keyblade and Reflect.

[Azure Flame Kite]

How bout u prove that reflect stops reality erasing attacks

[Shiron]

Prove it then. The Keyblade has never been shown to be incapable of deflecting anything before, same goes for Reflect. What makes Data Drain so special that it can instantly negate one of the main features of the Keyblade?
Because... Data Drain isn't some laser attack or anything. It's an attack that drains data. The Keyblade will be unable to do anything to stop it, since if Sora tries to use it to counter it, it would just result in the Keyblade being deleted instead.

It's how Data Drain works. It's not an actual projectile, and is just a command which rewrites/deletes data and thus can't be stopped with something like the Keyblade, because Data Drain doesn't exist in an actual physcial form for the Keyblade/Reflect to do anything to.

Saying Sora would be able to stop Data Drain with the Keyblade like saying Sora could stop a reality warper from altering reality by stopping their alteration of reality with the Keyblade somehow and using it to keep reality the same. It just isn't possible.

Of course then there is the fact that Sora isn't Data so Data Draining could very well be completely ineffective against him even if by some crazy reason Data Draining could bypass the Keyblade and Reflect.Once again:
Using that logic, all Haseo is, is just data of The World, so Sora can't hurt him, nor can Haseo hurt Sora, since Haseo only exists within The World. So either Haseo and Sora are fighting in The World, or Haseo becomes real, with his abillities affecting real things instead of data like they do within The World.
You can't give only Sora a plus of not being made of data. If you're going to rely on that argument, then you have to give both Sora all of the pros/cons of not being made of data and Haseo all of the pros/cons of being made of data, which would make the fight kind of pointless. Don't cherry-pick.

[Enclave]

Since when does Data Draining erase reality? It just modifies code in The World. Oh and we do have evidence to support Sora having resistances to reality manipulation. When he fights Luxord he gets transformed into cards and dice and is able to after a short period change himself back (something Riku, Donald and Goofy seemed incapable of doing).

Amazing how DEM Sora is eh?

edit:

Oh yea, we also saw in the Space Paranoids world that Sora's keyblade is capable of hacking data. I swear, the Keyblade is about as broken as the Sharingan at times.

[Shiron]

Oh and we do have evidence to support Sora having resistances to reality manipulation. When he fights Luxord he gets transformed into cards and dice and is able to after a short period change himself back (something Riku, Donald and Goofy seemed incapable of doing).
*Rewatches fight cutscenes.*
*Notices that Luxord did do the same thing to Riku, Donald, and Goofy at the start of the fight, only they weren't able to break out of it, so it couldn't have been a temporary spell and that Sora must have some resistance to reality warping.*

Point...

[Azure Flame Kite]

@ enclave
Haseo's Xth form is a hack also
Data drain can be considered a hack to to the fact it alters data
Data drain alters all data not just that of the world
and seeing as how when sora enters different worlds it makes sense that when he would enter The World he would turn to data thus making Haseo able to alter it or if we make Haseo a living being it can be assumed that data drain will be altered also to affect reality instead of data

[ZergKage]

From a few video's i've seen on youtube Data Drain is something projectile like that has to hit his opponent. Can anyone on the pro Haseo side post a video that would convince me it would have a shot at hiting Sora?

[atom]

The "projectile" part is so people actually see whats going on.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Well it only has to be a projectile form from skeith
From wat i've seen haseo can run with it so in theory he couldpunch sora with a data drain.

[ZergKage]

Ok so then its not some "direct damaging" move that instantly takes you back to "level 1." This might have been covered so forgive me for not looking but what kinda speed does Haseo have.

[Enclave]

@ enclave
Haseo's Xth form is a hack also
Data drain can be considered a hack to to the fact it alters data
Data drain alters all data not just that of the world
and seeing as how when sora enters different worlds it makes sense that when he would enter The World he would turn to data thus making Haseo able to alter it or if we make Haseo a living being it can be assumed that data drain will be altered also to affect reality instead of data

When Sora goes to Port Royal he is immune to the Aztec Curse because he is from another world and thus isn't bound to Port Royal's world rules. There is precedence to support Sora going to The World but not being subject to it's rules in regards to the likes of data draining. Not to mention of course my earlier point of Sora having resistances to reality manipulation.

This might have been covered so forgive me for not looking but what kinda speed does Haseo have.

I've done some checking on Youtube. His speed seems quite impressive but nothing Sora couldn't handle. I would put it on a lower level of speed than what we saw Sora use against Warp Snipers, Xigbar, Sephiroth and Twilight Xemnas. Not only that but I haven't seen in my youtube search yet Haseo show off the kind of strength Sora did when he was tossing skyscrapers at Xemnas' shield or cutting through skyscrapers like a hot knife through butter.

[Azure Flame Kite]

When Sora goes to Port Royal he is immune to the Aztec Curse because he is from another world and thus isn't bound to Port Royal's world rules. There is precedence to support Sora going to The World but not being subject to it's rules in regards to the likes of data draining. Not to mention of course my earlier point of Sora having resistances to reality manipulation.

Well if he isn't data him being there would be far too much memory for The World's servers thus causing a crash so the fight could never take place, and your earlier point showed that he isn't resistant to it the effects are just temporary, and data drain has been shown to be able to take away certain parts of someone so while sora has shown a defence against reality manipulation his keyblade hasn't.

[Banhammer]

in tron sora reflects informatic attacks all the time
Reflega for the win

[Enclave]

Well if he isn't data him being there would be far too much memory for The World's servers thus causing a crash so the fight could never take place, and your earlier point showed that he isn't resistant to it the effects are just temporary, and data drain has been shown to be able to take away certain parts of someone so while sora has shown a defence against reality manipulation his keyblade hasn't.

The Keyblade is literally a part of Sora. The fact that Riku, Donald, Goofy and Kairi couldn't change back from being turned into cards would suggest that it was the Keyblades ability not Sora's exactly as at that time Riku while being a Keyblade master lacked a Keyblade.

Anyways man, I think I have proved my point well enough at this point, I base this on the fact that you are now tryin to say that they couldn't fight because of The World's servers not being able to handle having Sora there.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Me saying that had nothing to do with you proving a point it had to do with you trying to tell me data drain doesn't work because Haseo being in the world isn't data

[Enclave]

you trying to tell me data drain doesn't work because Haseo being in the world isn't data

Ummm, huh?

[lollipop]

Sora wins :pek

[Blaze of Glory]

Sora wins :pek

What he said

:laugh


C'mon you gotta either be drunk stupid or high to think Haseo is able to own Sora.

Sora's got the keyblade is more powerful than anything Haseo has.

[Azure Flame Kite]

His stupid Keyblade is so great because why?

[Banhammer]

because it enables him to use black magic, and it gives him auto fencing skills at magical speed, and can be called to him anythime he wants.
It also allows him to open up portals to other worlds
amongst hundreds of other things

[Azure Flame Kite]

ok I re-played KH2 over the weekend and yes Sora beats Haseo in the Strength area but Haseo still outclasses him in the speed department

[Enclave]

ok I re-played KH2 over the weekend and yes Sora beats Haseo in the Strength area but Haseo still outclasses him in the speed department

I haven't seen Haseo in my youtube searches match Sora's speed that we saw when he uses warp snipe or fights Twilight Xemnas or Sephiroth. Sora does appear to be the faster one and by a decent margin to.

[Azure Flame Kite]

I don't think that the warping was his speed and if it was we have no idea how he did it so don't tell me that he can suddenly warp whenever and don't bring the running at a 90 degree angle either, Haseo easily closed 15 meters in a second

[Enclave]

I don't think that the warping was his speed and if it was we have no idea how he did it so don't tell me that he can suddenly warp whenever and don't bring the running at a 90 degree angle either, Haseo easily closed 15 meters in a second

He did it in a reaction command so it is something he can do, we don't need to know how he did it just that he can. Also his speed against Sephiroth wasn't even warping it was just pure speed where they attacked eachother multiple times in an instant. Then there is the laser defelction against Twilight Xemnas and also as you mentioned his running up a building against regular Xemnas and he did that without even running towards the building to gather speed (even Quicksilver in Marvel needs a running start to do that). Face it, Haseo has nothing on Sora in the speed department.

[Azure Flame Kite]

I am sorry I think you just said Sora is faster than quiksilver???? My eyes must obviously be going.
If Sora is so fast he can go up a building without a running start how come in that same reaction command Xemnas is able to simply jump off and Sora isn't fast enough to simply swing his sword and knock him down also the Keyblade is more than likely not even sharp as human's have taken blow from it and recieved close to no damage, Haseo has also struck an oppenent multiple times in an instant not to mention he can more or less defy the laws of The World on a whim

[Enclave]

I am sorry I think you just said Sora is faster than quiksilver???? My eyes must obviously be going.
If Sora is so fast he can go up a building without a running start how come in that same reaction command Xemnas is able to simply jump off and Sora isn't fast enough to simply swing his sword and knock him down also the Keyblade is more than likely not even sharp as human's have taken blow from it and recieved close to no damage, Haseo has also struck an oppenent multiple times in an instant not to mention he can more or less defy the laws of The World on a whim

Yes, Sora is faster than Quicksilver. Quicksilver couldn't pull off what Sora has done against Sephiroth and Twilight Xemnas. Also you obviously don't know how to do that reaction command right. If you do it immediately you simply go past eachother, if you wait a bit longer to do it Sora smashes Xemnas to the ground.

Finally, characters in Kingdom Hearts clearly have super human durability. It's the only explanation otherwise how do you explain Sora cutting up Skyscrapers like they were nothing? Not to mention he has sliced right through Organization members before when dealing the final blow to them.

Finally, I've seen Haseo doing fast attacks. They were fast without a doubt but they had nothing on what Sora and Sephiroth did to eachother or what Sora and Riku were doing deflecting lasers in the Twilight Xemnas battle.

[Blaze of Glory]

If you count Sora's reaction commands he is one fast motherfucker

[Azure Flame Kite]

Yea I guess your right this seems to be a mismatch I admit defeat :)
But I have a feeling that sora running on the walls has something to do with his magic
doesn't he know gravety or something and never did win the sephiroth fight.
Yea i ain't that good at kingdom hearts but I just saw the 2 of them and thought if they fought it would be badass but even though Sora would ultimately win Haseo could do very well spamming his light arrows

[Enclave]

Yea I guess your right this seems to be a mismatch I admit defeat :)
But I have a feeling that sora running on the walls has something to do with his magic
doesn't he know gravety or something and never did win the sephiroth fight.
Yea i ain't that good at kingdom hearts but I just saw the 2 of them and thought if they fought it would be badass but even though Sora would ultimately win Haseo could do very well spamming his light arrows

Your problem is that you probably should have specified that it is Sora some point mid-game in KH2. That would be more fair. See by the end of KH2 Sora is just a complete monster.

Also, Sora is capable of flight however he wasn't flying in his fight against Xemnas there he just ran straight up the wall and his MP gauge didn't decrease so it wasn't magic.

Also yes the fight with Sephiroth was not a win or loss, however at the end neither Sora nor Sephy were actually tired and Sora was still perfectly willing to continue the fight. Then there is the fact that Nomura has flat out said that Twilight Xemnas was the most powerful being in the KH Universe (at least at the time) so if Sora and Riku together could defeat him it isn't unreasonable to think that Sora could take Sephy on his own by that point.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Well I beat Xemnas and lose against Sephy but yea if Haseo had Xth form he would stand a better chance but I have indeed admitted defeat
and btw Sora is never tired after any fight the closest he has ever gotten was whew

[Enclave]

Well I beat Xemnas and lose against Sephy but yea if Haseo had Xth form he would stand a better chance but I have indeed admitted defeat
and btw Sora is never tired after any fight the closest he has ever gotten was whew

Oh I know you admitted defeat. I'm just elaborating on some points you made in that last post.

Anyways, of course you beat Xemnas. He is easier than Sephy. However that is from a gameplay perspective. From a storyline perspective Twilight Xemnas > Sephiroth.

Oh and lol, of course Sora isn't really tired after any of his fights. The kid has super human stamina.

[Azure Flame Kite]

Haseo is never tired either but that cause he at a game controller of an asian

[Banhammer]

well, we can exclued game mechanics and still say that after he run through a few cliffs, beating a guy who could sumon water bolk armies, went down a mountain, beated one thousand heartless, and then climbed the mountain ahead of them all while in running passe

[Banhammer]

sora could use magnega and then skyscraper slash on him

[Azure Flame Kite]

Haseo can use seal and stop all of Sora's magic

[Enclave]

Haseo can use seal which Sora then deflects back at him with Reflect.

Besides, even without magic this fight goes to Sora. I thought you agree'd already about this.

[Banhammer]

He could use seal, but then, if sora does not reflect seal, he would go final form and woop the floor with his ass
Are forms allowed?

[Azure Flame Kite]

Besides, even without magic this fight goes to Sora. I thought you agree'd already about this.

I know I did but I really can't resist any opportunity to argue against Fourthnin :):):):)

[Banhammer]

^Ma man knows me :)