SLTournament: EvilMoogle VS. Suzumebachi

[Keollyn]

Round Two, Match Thirteen.

Standard match rules

PIS off
CIS on (In Character)
Bloodlust off. Albeit, characters are out to win.
No ring outs
Knock out or fatality
Speed limit raised to mach 5.




Team EvilMoogle
Sylia Stingray (Knight Sabers 2040)
Emma Frost (Marvel/X-Men)
Jude Maverick (Wild Arms 4)
Mimic (Marvel/Exiles)
Hanii Kisaragi (New Cutie Honey Anime)

vs

Team Suzumebachi
Lina Inverse (Slayers)
Yomiko Readman (R.O.D)
Master Asia (G Gundam)
Gourry (Slayers)
Soifong (Bleach)

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll keep the rules and regulations simple.


Bold the name of the person you know is the winner and leave a commentary.
Commentary is now mandatory. Any vote without a commentary will be ignored. Commentary do not need to be life stories, but they do need to be done.
If you can't think of a winner, mainly because you don't know enough of the person, you can wait till the owners of the team provide info and feats, and/or their argument, before you supply yours.
This brings us to the team owners. They can cast a vote also, but if they do so, they need to bring firm reason as to why they think so. Unlike normal voters, they are subject to biased voting.
With that said, no bribing the members. If you're caught doing so, your team is automatically out.

[Banhammer]

Team EvilMoogle
Sylia Stingray (Knight Sabers 2040)
Emma Frost (Marvel/X-Men)
Jude Maverick (Wild Arms 4)
Mimic (Marvel/Exiles)
Hanii Kisaragi (New Cutie Honey Anime)

vs

Team Suzumebachi
Lina Inverse (Slayers)
Yomiko Readman (R.O.D)
Master Asia (G Gundam)
Gourry (Slayers)
Soifong (Bleach)

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Damn it, I wanna vote sylia, but if Riku couldn't beat Magic Origami chick, the noone can


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Diamond level invunerability against her magic, if she can't mind rape her before she utters a thought


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------

Laser hits, Master Asia "YOU SHALL NOT SP33DBL1TZ!!11!"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------

Mimic copies soifong's power, so she can't outsp33dhim. with his experience fighting x-men and adapting new powers, He'll hit her four times before she it him twice

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
pass


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[EvilMoogle]

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
This one seems a loss to me (though I don't really know much about Yomiko Readman so feel free not to count this vote). Assuming what Suzumebachi said is in the last thread is true she should have more than enough firepower to beat Sylia.

(Though I would like to see Suzumebachi argue that paper can block laser-edged swords that can punch through feet of steel).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Emma wins right at the start through brain-fuckery. Lina might be able to resist to some degree but not enough to keep Emma from walking over and taking her out.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
I don't know Master Asia so I can't really vote yet, but how powerful is he on durability?

Jude is a tricky character with the speed cap, in his accelerator his reflexes are so fast that there's no avoiding his attacks without breaking the speed limit, if Master Asia will be pinned down and hit in the first volley. If he's stronger than the average Wild Arms tank or mecha he can fight back, if he isn't, he's lost.

Even if he survives the opening volley, it'll be hard for him to launch an attack against Jude.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Mimic without hesitation. He's fast enough he's hard to catch, agile enough he won't get hit, and even if he does get hit (twice, in the same spot) it's arguable that his steel-skin or healing factor would make him immune to Soifong's ability (fun fact, Colossus is immune to Rogue's touch while his skin's up).

Organic Steel claws or optic blasts will get a hit on Soifong eventually.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Gourry dies from nose-blood loss in her first transformation?

Even failing this, Honey's a masterful swordswoman in her own right and is faster and more agile than Gourry. And even if she finds herself in trouble she could pull a feint by blinding him like she did against Virtual Hacker (or a double feint like she did against Iron Maiden).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[EvilMoogle]

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------

Tie, divine weapon solos asia, but he is too fast to get hit

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is Jude with Changeling, not the Divine Weapon (did Jude ever actually have the Divine Weapon?).

And Jude was fast enough to get hits in on a guy that could stop time. He won't have a problem hitting someone that's capped at Mach 5. Not to mention he could just use a beam-cannon attack if bullets are too slow. If all Master Asia has going for him is speed, he loses.

[King Dead]

Master Asia kills the entire opposing team on his own

[Suzumebachi]

Team EvilMoogle
Sylia Stingray (Knight Sabers 2040)
Emma Frost (Marvel/X-Men)
Jude Maverick (Wild Arms 4)
Mimic (Marvel/Exiles)
Hanii Kisaragi (New Cutie Honey Anime)

Who in the hell..?

BTW, Lina Inverse is immune to mind attacks.

[Suzumebachi]

If he's stronger than the average Wild Arms tank or mecha he can fight back, if he isn't, he's lost.

....

And how strong is that?


(Though I would like to see Suzumebachi argue that paper can block laser-edged swords that can punch through feet of steel).

You saw Yomiko fight a samurai with a lightsaber, right?

[EvilMoogle]

BTW, Lina Inverse is immune to mind attacks.

When was this stated? And what was the test and the reason for her immunity?

....

And how strong is that?
Well, they're the typical military equivalent in the alternate-Earth future. They're designed to be heavy defenders against other tanks/mecha/etc. Jude destroys them quite easily by the end. I don't know if I can give you a quantified answer though. Lets try this: What sort of damage can Master Asia take?


You saw Yomiko fight a samurai with a lightsaber, right?

Nope, I've never actually seen Yomiko at all, I'm just assuming based on the things you said (I suppose I could be hard-core about it and try to fight it but I'm feeling disinclined at the moment. If you really want I could change my vote though).

[Suzumebachi]

Its her headband.

But then again, all the mind attacks against her were magic.

Eris tried to take over her mind in season one, but her headband prevented it.

There's another example in Slayers Next, but I'd have to go check it.

[EvilMoogle]

Its her headband.

But then again, all the mind attacks against her were magic.

Eris tried to take over her mind in season one, but her headband prevented it.

There's another example in Slayers Next, but I'd have to go check it.

It really depends on how it works, if it blocks magic it's useless against Emma as her powers aren't magical in nature. If it protects her mind somehow it might work against Emma (but it would have to be quite powerful).

Even if Telepathy doesn't work Emma can still just shift to diamond form and fight that way, with Dragon Slave and Ragna Blade sealed in the tournament, none of Lina's other spells will hurt Emma in diamond form.

[Banhammer]

Plus, emma has used mindblasts that could knock the headband off.

[Suzumebachi]

Even if Telepathy doesn't work Emma can still just shift to diamond form and fight that way

She can attack with Elemikia Flame or Braum Brazer.

[Suzumebachi]

Nope, I've never actually seen Yomiko at all, I'm just assuming based on the things you said (I suppose I could be hard-core about it and try to fight it but I'm feeling disinclined at the moment. If you really want I could change my vote though).Well, there was an electric samurai with a lightsaber looking thing, and she clashed with it using a sword made of money.

Well, they're the typical military equivalent in the alternate-Earth future. They're designed to be heavy defenders against other tanks/mecha/etc. Jude destroys them quite easily by the end. I don't know if I can give you a quantified answer though. Lets try this: What sort of damage can Master Asia take?

Here's a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAizwLfZbUA

[EvilMoogle]

She can attack with Elemikia Flame or Braum Brazer.
Oooh, this brings up a question; does Lina's headband protect her against spirit magic? Because Telepathy works much the same way (using the astral plane) in Marvel. If Lina would be hurt by Elemikia Flame I don't see any reason why Emma couldn't/wouldn't attack Lina's astral form directly.


Well, there was an electric samurai with a lightsaber looking thing, and she clashed with it using a sword made of money.
Ahh, well Sylia's attacks are designed for penetration more than traditional sword fighting (she can parry with them, but generally she just goes for a killing blow). If she could get a solid hit I'm confident it would kill Yomiko, but from what you've said I don't think Sylia's going to get a solid hit.

(Though if other people that happen to be familiar with both RoD and Bubblegum Crisis want to weigh in, I'm not stopping them)


Here's a video.

That doesn't answer the question though, he doesn't get hit at all in that clip.

Jude can fire precise shots with his gun to target Master Asia as he dodges, even if Master Asia is fast enough to dodge bullets (he is, I know), it doesn't matter if the shots are fired tactically and he is forced to dodge into another shot.

The question is, will the shot bounce off Master Asia's bullet-impervious skin, or will he be blasted apart. The next question would be would lasers or rockets make any difference. If Master Asia can survive the damage Jude can put out (many in the tournament can), he will win eventually. But the first second or so of the fight will determine the answer.

[Suzumebachi]

Because Telepathy works much the same way (using the astral plane) in Marvel.

o_O This is news to me.


Jude can fire precise shots with his gun to target Master Asia as he dodges, even if Master Asia is fast enough to dodge bullets (he is, I know), it doesn't matter if the shots are fired tactically and he is forced to dodge into another shot.

There aren't that many out of Gundam durability feats in G Gundam, but he did survive Master Gundam being destroyed by Domon's attack while in the cockpit.

Feats of strength and speed are abundant though.

[Wesley]

How much set up time does a mental attack have? Don't try to argue that there isn't one. You've got too many pyschics furrowing their foreheads and squintting their eyes in concentration for there to be no preperation involved. Just like a fighting stance, a mind has to prepare itself for a task.

[Suzumebachi]

it's arguable that his steel-skin or healing factor would make him immune to Soifong's ability

How is that??

[Rice Ball]

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
No idea who Sylia Stingray is. Yomiko can beat most people in this tier :)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Boom! Headshot, Lina loses her mind before she can get anything powerful enough to penitrate the diamond armor.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
No idea who either is


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Easy victory for Mimic, replicates her abilities/speed and also adds various xmen powers to the mix.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Better skills and Gourry as a character would be at a disadvantage.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[mystictrunks]

How is that??

He copied Collososus steel skin. It's protected/protects him him from being drained by Rogue and I believe some other villain with "leeching/draining" powers.

[EvilMoogle]

How much set up time does a mental attack have? Don't try to argue that there isn't one. You've got too many pyschics furrowing their foreheads and squintting their eyes in concentration for there to be no preperation involved. Just like a fighting stance, a mind has to prepare itself for a task.
Well, speed of thought. Generally very little time is needed, far less than speaking.


How is that??

As mentioned by mystictrunks, the Mimic I'm using has the steel skin of Colossus as one of his powers, Colossus is immune to Rogue's absorbing touch as well as several other "death touches" throughout comicdom. They just don't work for some reason (I don't know that they've elaborated on it).

He's also got Wolverine's healing factor (classic Wolverine, not uber-broken current Wolverine), which generally makes him immune to poison.

Or course, with Northstar's speed and Beast's agility he's not getting hit anyway.

[Banhammer]

Emma has only to focus if he wants to control her enemies without painting the wall with their brains.

PS: Cecily's metal was impervious to wither's touch

[Tuxx]

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Even if Lina's headband prevent some level of mind controls and such. Emma is way to experience and have shown more power with her telepathy. I'm sure she won't have any trouble overcoming it. Plus she can just switch back and forth to diamond form in a hundredth of a second for major defense. Real question is though how fast exactly is her telepathy? Speed of though as always? It's not like telepathy has never been blitz before. >< Not saying Lina can...just curious.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Banhammer]

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Even if Lina's headband prevent some level of mind controls and such. Emma is way to experience and have shown more power with her telepathy. I'm sure she won't have any trouble overcoming it. Plus she can just switch back and forth to diamond form in a hundredth of a second for major defense. Real question is though how fast exactly is her telepathy? Speed of though as always? It's not like telepathy has never been blitz before. >< Not saying Lina can...just curious.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

telepathy is as fast as the psicich wants it to, and the effect varies with the subject's own willpower and training, wich against someone who subdued rachel summers dosen't mean much

[Wesley]

telepathy is as fast as the writer wants it to, and the effect varies with the subject's own willpower and training, wich against someone who subdued rachel summers dosen't mean much

Fixed it for you.

Telepathy has a method to it. Even if you compared it to breathing, breathing still takes some effort. And you can't claim Emma can do her diamond thing, while launching pyshic assaults or do any of the above well being set alit at temperatures in the thousands of degrees.

Emma would have better luck conjuring slugs then trying a direct mental assault anyway.

[Wesley]

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
I guess it depends upon how much paper she's got to work with, but overall I'd say she's much more versatily and powerful then a woman in a suit of powered armor (with the exception of Samus Aran should that time come).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Mental attacks are unreliable, dependent upon surprise, and generally have mixed results depending upon who're up against. I'm inclined to think that Emma would be too busy being incinerated to give someone like Lina more then a mild headache.

"Burn faster you frosty bitch!"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
I don't really know. Jude comes from a video game, so right there alot of what he does has to do with game mechanics. I know I like to say Tifa can toss Ruby Weapon around with her pinky, but let's face it that's just a stock animation sequence set up for one of her limit breaks, rather then anything meaningful.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Mimic can copy abilities at half of their original potency, without any knowledge or skill as to how to use them. Too bad all of Soi Fong's abilities she had to learn to do herself through training and manipulation of her reiastu.

She'd smash him in a contest of Hoho at any rate.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
First of all, some of you seem to have this impression of Gourry as this big drooling idiot at the first sign of a decent set of T & A that wonders by. This, I must say, is not the case. :notrust

Gourry has a short attention span and a bad short term memory. He likes women, he was hoping for a "major babe" when he rescued Lina, but not once in the series beyond that did he comment on a woman's appearance, disappointment or admiration.

So no matter what boom chika chika wow wow Hanii's got going for her, Gourry would be unphased by it.

As for sword fighting, Gourry's got peak swordfighting skils, a build that allows him to carry around a comatose Golden Dragon on his back for a short period of time with a miminmum amount of complaining, and he's agile enough to leap rather high into the air and run along steep inclines.

By viture of just being a big strong guy that's only really good at sword fighting and using his muscles, he wins.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[EvilMoogle]

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Mental attacks are unreliable, dependent upon surprise, and generally have mixed results depending upon who're up against. I'm inclined to think that Emma would be too busy being incinerated to give someone like Lina more then a mild headache.

"Burn faster you frosty bitch!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fireballs would be utterly useless against Emma. Even if we assume she can't mind control Lina, Emma can shift into her nearly-indestructible diamond form fast enough to block bullets. Lina's attacks are slower than this, so Emma can block those as well.

Any clips of Lina shattering diamonds with her spells?

Now lets look at astral attacks. In Slayers, attacking the astral form is dependant on the astral presence of the character (humans in Slayers don't have a strong astral form, so they're more susceptible to spells, Lina comments on this in season 1). In Marvel one's astral form is proportional to their psionic power, Emma has very strong Astral abilities. Plus if you're bringing up astral abilities it's only fair to mention that telepaths can attack an astral form directly.

There's no hope of Lina winning this one without using spells that have been restricted in this tournament.


Jude Maverick vs Master Asia

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
I don't really know. Jude comes from a video game, so right there alot of what he does has to do with game mechanics. I know I like to say Tifa can toss Ruby Weapon around with her pinky, but let's face it that's just a stock animation sequence set up for one of her limit breaks, rather then anything meaningful.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm only using the cut scenes for Jude's abilities, not game mechanics. In a cut scene he manages to out maneuver and get hits on a guy that can stop time (literally), he's not going to get speed blitzed in this tournament.

Mimic vs Soifong
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Mimic can copy abilities at half of their original potency, without any knowledge or skill as to how to use them. Too bad all of Soi Fong's abilities she had to learn to do herself through training and manipulation of her reiastu.

She'd smash him in a contest of Hoho at any rate.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

You're wrong about one thing, Mimic does have some sort of ability to use the abilities he's mimicing. He manages to make use of Xavier's teleptathy to a high enough degree to withstand Xavier's attack in the first arc of Exiles.

I don't remember ever seeing him get a power and not know how to use it.

Plus you're completely ignoring the fact that Mimic has a power set of his own to work with (that I think would crush Soi Fong outright). Again, from where I'm plucking Mimic he has (at half the power level of their classic incarnation):
* The Optic Blasts of Cyclops
* The Speed of Northstar
* The Healing Factor and (Bone) Claws of Wolverine
* The Strength and Agility of Beast
* The Organic Steel Skin of Colossus

In this fight he probably won't use his mimicing ability at all, as he'll have to give one of those up (in Exiles he didn't use his mimicing ability very often, only when he's in a fight he couldn't win with the abilities he had, against telepaths and the like).

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
As for sword fighting, Gourry's got peak swordfighting skils, a build that allows him to carry around a comatose Golden Dragon on his back for a short period of time with a miminmum amount of complaining, and he's agile enough to leap rather high into the air and run along steep inclines.

By viture of just being a big strong guy that's only really good at sword fighting and using his muscles, he wins.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you even know Cutie Honey?

And Cutie Honey has peak swordfighting skills, speed that dodges sound-based attacks and bullets (some of the time), agile enough to leap high into the air and run up vertical walls.

By virtue of being a fast girl that's both good at swordfighting and has skill sets Gourry has never seen she should win this.

[Wesley]

Fireballs would be utterly useless against Emma. Even if we assume she can't mind control Lina, Emma can shift into her nearly-indestructible diamond form fast enough to block bullets. Lina's attacks are slower than this, so Emma can block those as well.

Any clips of Lina shattering diamonds with her spells?

Now lets look at astral attacks. In Slayers, attacking the astral form is dependant on the astral presence of the character (humans in Slayers don't have a strong astral form, so they're more susceptible to spells, Lina comments on this in season 1). In Marvel one's astral form is proportional to their psionic power, Emma has very strong Astral abilities. Plus if you're bringing up astral abilities it's only fair to mention that telepaths can attack an astral form directly.

There's no hope of Lina winning this one without using spells that have been restricted in this tournament.

Fireballs aren't the only fire spell Lina has and certainly not the hottest. It's actually a very basic spell that Lina's become very good at. Between it's explosive properties and temperatures that melt iron on contact, she can rip off dozens of them in seconds without the need for chants.

Other spells include the Burst Flare and the Blast Bomb, which are far hotter and more then capable of melting Carbon.

As for Astral attacks, only the Dark Magics that call upon L-sama and Ruby Eye have been banned outright. Lina still has five Dark Lords to call upon to fuck a human up mightly on the Astral side of things. She's been known to use the less Lords' powers without chants, specifically Dynast's and Gaav's.

Emma is not going to outclass Darklord's with her mind. :notrust

I'm only using the cut scenes for Jude's abilities, not game mechanics. In a cut scene he manages to out maneuver and get hits on a guy that can stop time (literally), he's not going to get speed blitzed in this tournament.

Then Master Asia throws the ground at him. I don't know, didn't vote for this one anyway.


You're wrong about one thing, Mimic does have some sort of ability to use the abilities he's mimicing. He manages to make use of Xavier's teleptathy to a high enough degree to withstand Xavier's attack in the first arc of Exiles.

I don't remember ever seeing him get a power and not know how to use it.

Plus you're completely ignoring the fact that Mimic has a power set of his own to work with (that I think would crush Soi Fong outright). Again, from where I'm plucking Mimic he has (at half the power level of their classic incarnation):
* The Optic Blasts of Cyclops
* The Speed of Northstar
* The Healing Factor and (Bone) Claws of Wolverine
* The Strength and Agility of Beast
* The Organic Steel Skin of Colossus

In this fight he probably won't use his mimicing ability at all, as he'll have to give one of those up (in Exiles he didn't use his mimicing ability very often, only when he's in a fight he couldn't win with the abilities he had, against telepaths and the like).

He copied mutant powers. Mutant powers are not the same as Shinigami fighting techniquies. Soi Fong herself would never have been able to use them if she hadn't trained herself. They're not somehting you're born with as is the case with mutant powers.

Do you even know Cutie Honey?

And Cutie Honey has peak swordfighting skills, speed that dodges sound-based attacks and bullets (some of the time), agile enough to leap high into the air and run up vertical walls.

By virtue of being a fast girl that's both good at swordfighting and has skill sets Gourry has never seen she should win this.

Gourry fought a swordfighter that used a sword that emitted soundwaves and not only dodged the blasts but parried them. He's not going to lose out to her in speed, and he's got both superior strength and reach.

[EvilMoogle]

Fireballs aren't the only fire spell Lina has and certainly not the hottest. It's actually a very basic spell that Lina's become very good at. Between it's explosive properties and temperatures that melt iron on contact, she can rip off dozens of them in seconds without the need for chants.

Other spells include the Burst Flare and the Blast Bomb, which are far hotter and more then capable of melting Carbon.

As for Astral attacks, only the Dark Magics that call upon L-sama and Ruby Eye have been banned outright. Lina still has five Dark Lords to call upon to fuck a human up mightly on the Astral side of things. She's been known to use the less Lords' powers without chants, specifically Dynast's and Gaav's.

Emma is not going to outclass Darklord's with her mind. :notrust
I don't remember any spell of Lina's melting diamonds, but I'll admit it's been quite some time since I've seen the series so please refresh my mind if I'm missing one.

As to her supposed resistance to astral attacks, her black magics call on the power of dark lords, but doesn't directly control them, so I don't see how it's a feat for her willpower (bear in mind both Zolf and Sylphiel were capable of casting Dragon Slave).

It clearly requires concentration for Lina to cast spells, she's not going to get that concentration while Emma's attacking her mind.

He copied mutant powers. Mutant powers are not the same as Shinigami fighting techniquies. Soi Fong herself would never have been able to use them if she hadn't trained herself. They're not somehting you're born with as is the case with mutant powers.
He copied mutant abilities and had some sort of ability to use them (including ones like Xavier's telepathy that generally require years or decades of training before they one can use them with any degree of control).

Regardless, I'm not even suggesting that he'll need to use his actual mutant power in this fight, the abilities he already has are superior to Soi Fong's.


Gourry fought a swordfighter that used a sword that emitted soundwaves and not only dodged the blasts but parried them. He's not going to lose out to her in speed, and he's got both superior strength and reach.
She was strong enough to impale a dragon on a blunt spire with her strength, so I don't know if I'd put her on the losing end of the strength competition. She's at least as fast, and she's far more durable.

Plus she can always just blind him with a flash and attack him from behind (or blind him with a flash, leave her armor "clone" to attack from the front while she attacks from behind).

[Darklyre]

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
I'm gonna be a trendwhore, from what I've been reading.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Even with Lina's spellpower, she still needs to concentrate to cast them. Emma could simply scramble her nervous impulses or freeze them entirely, like she did against Kimura, with barely any effort.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
No idea.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Actually, Mimic can copy more than just mutant powers. He's copied Deadpool's regeneration (and cancer) before, and as the X-Men keep telling him, Wade's not a mutant. He could very well copy Soi Fon's shikai and kill her in 4 hits, all the while being immune to hers via Colossus' skin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
No idea.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Wesley]

I don't remember any spell of Lina's melting diamonds, but I'll admit it's been quite some time since I've seen the series so please refresh my mind if I'm missing one.

As to her supposed resistance to astral attacks, her black magics call on the power of dark lords, but doesn't directly control them, so I don't see how it's a feat for her willpower (bear in mind both Zolf and Sylphiel were capable of casting Dragon Slave).

It clearly requires concentration for Lina to cast spells, she's not going to get that concentration while Emma's attacking her mind.

She popped rubies like popcorn when preparing an amulet of protection and that was just with a little bit of magic.

And I was refering to Emma's supposed resistance to Astral attacks due to Telepathy taking place on the Astral Plane in Marvel. She's not outclassing Darklords which exist there. One Gaav Flare, one really fucked up mutant.

And mental attacks don't require concentration? :notrust


He copied mutant abilities and had some sort of ability to use them (including ones like Xavier's telepathy that generally require years or decades of training before they one can use them with any degree of control).

Regardless, I'm not even suggesting that he'll need to use his actual mutant power in this fight, the abilities he already has are superior to Soi Fong's.

So he's typically inconsistent like most Comicbook characters is what you're saying. Awesome.


She was strong enough to impale a dragon on a blunt spire with her strength, so I don't know if I'd put her on the losing end of the strength competition. She's at least as fast, and she's far more durable.

Plus she can always just blind him with a flash and attack him from behind (or blind him with a flash, leave her armor "clone" to attack from the front while she attacks from behind).

She'll lose in energy output.

[Ion]

Mimic vs Soifong
---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Actually, Mimic can copy more than just mutant powers. He's copied Deadpool's regeneration (and cancer) before, and as the X-Men keep telling him, Wade's not a mutant. He could very well copy Soi Fon's shikai and kill her in 4 hits, all the while being immune to hers via Colossus' skin.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Soi Fong never said that she needs to break skin to tag her opponents.

All she ever said was that she needs to "hit/touch" them. I believe that the stab wound is just a consequence of her trying to tag them.

[Wesley]

Soi Fong never said that she needs to break skin to tag her opponents.

All she ever said was that she needs to "hit/touch" them. I believe that the stab wound is just a consequence of her trying to tag them.

Yeah, Yoruichi wasn't exactly gushing.

[EvilMoogle]

And mental attacks don't require concentration? :notrust
Very very little. To reach across the world or to completely rewrite someone's brain takes time and concentration, yes. To say "sleep" or to scramble someone's neuron's takes only a moment, far less than it takes to (for example) speak.



So he's typically inconsistent like most Comicbook characters is what you're saying. Awesome.
No, I'm saying it's a fairly established part of his character that he knows how to use powers that he mimics.

But you've made your anti-comic bias clear enough to me so we can drop it.




She'll lose in energy output.

That's debatable as well. Again, ever seen the series "New Cutie Honey"? Her atmospheric condenser has power output on the same order of the Sword of Light. She generally doesn't use it to it's full capacity (but then again, neither does Gourry).


Soi Fong never said that she needs to break skin to tag her opponents.

All she ever said was that she needs to "hit/touch" them. I believe that the stab wound is just a consequence of her trying to tag them.

Well, Colossus has shrugged off several different effects that just have to touch normal people (Rouge's touch is the most frequent example), so I think there's argument that it's wouldn't affect him. Wolverine's managed to heal lethal poisons before, so there's a chance that even if it affected him he could remove it.

But I don't think it matters, she'll never touch someone that's moving mach 5 and has half the agility of Beast. And one hit from an optic blast will KO her (or a supersonic organic steel claw punching through her feeble flesh body).

[Ion]

I never made claims on who would win, since the only character in this entire setup that I'm familiar with is Soi Fong.

I was just clearing up what I believe to be a misconception.

[Banhammer]

Diamonds exist at large quantites close to the earth center. She aint burning through diamond with fire or lava, or maybe even sunflares. And when did you ever see carbon melt?
Plus, she is a level ten telepath, wich makes her the second strongest telepath in the world, being level ten means she can take hundreds of people at the same time and at the speed of though, make them "not see" her. Just like that. Making her think she is casting right, when she's in fact singing "puff the magic dragon" is as easy as it is to for me to laugh at your conception of emma.
And one-on-one against strongwilled fighters?
Two words
Rachel Summers
Phoenix Force rapestomps dark lords every day
If you don't know what that means, then you don't know the first thing about marvel, and you should gtfo

:harlita COSMIC EMBARRASSEMENT!:harlita
Not as bad as saying gallactus would get beaten by sbp, but there was two of them
I did not knew mimic was starting off with the powers from the X-Men, wich means his victory is the most absolute.
Colosus metalic body has shrugged of lethal touches before, and even if we consider his defence as only "halfway there", combined with northstar invunerability, wolverines "back from the bones" healing power more than makes up for it.
He dosen't even need her powers to win, with beast's reflexes combined with northstar's speed(who actually does mach5 for a change, since knowing the mechanics of his powers, we can actually tell that the max he could go is 99%light speed, not a "zomygod, she's so fast my eyes can't see her!) and is photokinesis to make her see shit(is she going to close her eyes at lightspeed now?), not to mention flight and "get out of my lawn! blasts from above. Soi fong should just rape herself with them fingertraps and avoid the pain

[mystictrunks]

Sylia Stingray vs Yomiko Readman

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------


No one in Bubblegum Crisis was really on Yomiko's level.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Emma Frost vs Lina Inverse

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------

Lina gets her mind fucked.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jude Maverick vs Master Asia

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mimic vs Soifong

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------
Mimic's copied abilities nullify all of Soifong's attacks. Mimic wins


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hanii Kisaragi vs Gourry

---------------------------commentary-----------------------------------



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[EvilMoogle]

I did not knew mimic was starting off with the powers from the X-Men, wich means his victory is the most absolute.
Colosus metalic body has shrugged of lethal touches before, and even if we consider his defence as only "halfway there", combined with northstar invunerability, wolverines "back from the bones" healing power more than makes up for it.

Just for the record and for anyone interested, quite some time ago I added some details about the characters on my team:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=9915803&postcount=14

Mimic's coming from essentially the start of issue #35 (for a variety of reasons not the least of which is an advantageous starting powerset).

All his mutant powers currently coppied are all the "classic" forms of the powers (no regenerating from a skeleton and no "get off my lawn" blast).

[Banhammer]

Just for the record and for anyone interested, quite some time ago I added some details about the characters on my team:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=9915803&postcount=14

Mimic's coming from essentially the start of issue #35 (for a variety of reasons not the least of which is an advantageous starting powerset).

All his mutant powers currently coppied are all the "classic" forms of the powers (no regenerating from a skeleton and no "get off my lawn" blast).


Northstar's powers, even at half mojo still solo

[Wesley]

So if Emma can take out thousands of people with her mind...what's she doing in this tournament? :oh

[Darklyre]

She doesn't take them out with her wide-range attacks. She can use simple illusions on thousands of people at once, but not lethal attacks. For that she needs concentration time. Things like nerve scramblers and thought blockers are easy as hell for her, though. She's capable of freezing someone in place by blocking all their motor functions, ripping through their thoughts, and rewriting their memories, all at the same time, in a matter of seconds.

[Elijah Snow]

So if Emma can take out thousands of people with her mind...what's she doing in this tournament? :oh

When you got President Sylar, Dio Brando, Readman, and a host of other unbalanced characters in this tourney Frost is the least of your worries.

[EvilMoogle]

So if Emma can take out thousands of people with her mind...what's she doing in this tournament? :oh

Emma's never taken out thousands of people at once. Sent a telepathic message to, maybe (though I can't recall a time that's happened off-hand).

The most I can recall her doing is maybe a room full of normal people. But if we're going to remove everyone that can take out a room full of normal people rapidly the tourny list is going to get a lot smaller.

[Wesley]

Emma's never taken out thousands of people at once. Sent a telepathic message to, maybe (though I can't recall a time that's happened off-hand).

The most I can recall her doing is maybe a room full of normal people. But if we're going to remove everyone that can take out a room full of normal people rapidly the tourny list is going to get a lot smaller.

Someone said she was the second most powerful on Earth. I think thousands of people would be in her league going by that don't you think?

[EvilMoogle]

Someone said she was the second most powerful on Earth. I think thousands of people would be in her league going by that don't you think?

Someone's using her personal statement and some assumptions. Emma's powerful, but not that powerful. Like I said, the most I've ever seen her actually attempt to exert control over (rather than simply broadcast a message) is about a roomful of people (maybe 20-30?).

In terms of raw power I can't think of any X-men telepath that Emma would be ahead of (though I'll admit I don't have complete knowledge there). She just has a high degree of skill and experience which gives her better use of her powers (which is how she managed to defeat Rachel who's more powerful than her). Emma's optimized for one-on-one duels, which makes her great for this tournament.

[Keollyn]

The winner of this match is EvilMoogle with a 9-8 victory

[Suzumebachi]

God damnit Keoylln.

I fucking hate you.

[Keollyn]

You know I wanted you to win :cry

[Suzumebachi]

You did?? :wtf

[Keollyn]

:nod

You know, I can always cheat :wink

But I really wouldn't do that

[Banhammer]

that was for riku
And emma cannot overshadow thousand of people, but she can make everyone around her instatnly "not see" her. Some seious Jedi Shit.
And she stated herself to be a level ten. Charle's powerass psichic shields implanted on wolverine were at level 9, so I'm guessing he's around 11, since he is the most powerfull psi on earth.
However, five-in-one do not count as one psichic, and jean grey isn't on earth at the time.

[Suzumebachi]

:nod

You know, I can always cheat :wink

But I really wouldn't do that

Well. Its the thought that counts.:(

that was for riku
And emma cannot overshadow thousand of people, but she can make everyone around her instatnly "not see" her. Some seious Jedi Shit.
And she stated herself to be a level ten. Charle's powerass psichic shields implanted on wolverine were at level 9, so I'm guessing he's around 11, since he is the most powerfull psi on earth.
However, five-in-one do not count as one psichic, and jean grey isn't on earth at the time.

The hell are you even talking about anymore?

[Keollyn]

I'm actually more shocked you didn't vote. How come?

[Suzumebachi]

I'm actually more shocked you didn't vote. How come?

Because


Team EvilMoogle
Sylia Stingray (Knight Sabers 2040)
Emma Frost (Marvel/X-Men)
Jude Maverick (Wild Arms 4)
Mimic (Marvel/Exiles)
Hanii Kisaragi (New Cutie Honey Anime)


Who the hell are these clowns?

[EvilMoogle]

You know I wanted you to win :cry

Hey :P .

[Banhammer]

You have to know who the white bitch Emma Frost is.....

[Suzumebachi]

Hey :P .

Well, I am pretty damn awesome.

You have to know who the white bitch Emma Frost is.....

No one knows what you say ever.

[EvilMoogle]

Well, I am pretty damn awesome.

Well, of course ;)

Actually I liked your team quite a bit, it was just bad luck that you had to go up against me so early *insert clichéd anime good-guy pose here*