SLTournament: thegoodjae VS. Darklyre

[Keollyn]

Round Two, Match Eleven.

Standard match rules

PIS off
CIS on (In Character)
Bloodlust off. Albeit, characters are out to win.
No ring outs
Knock out or fatality
Speed limit raised to mach 5.




Team thegoodjae
Akabane (Getbackers?)
Goku (Saiyuki)
Sasori (Naruto)
Gaara (Naruto)
Mayuri (Bleach?) Already taken if from Bleach

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Team Darklyre
Wesley Gibson (Wanted)
Paibok the Power Skrull (Marvel 616)
Lucius the Eternal (Warhammer 40,000)
November 11 (Darker than Black)
Nemesis Kid (DC)

Akabane vs Nemesis Kid

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Goku vs Lucius the Eternal

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Sasori vs Paibok

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Gaara vs November 11

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Mayuri vs Wesley Gibson

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Waiting for confirmation. Until then, skip this fight.

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I'll keep the rules and regulations simple.


Bold the name of the person you know is the winner and leave a commentary.
Commentary is now mandatory. Any vote without a commentary will be ignored. Commentary do not need to be life stories, but they do need to be done.
If you can't think of a winner, mainly because you don't know enough of the person, you can wait till the owners of the team provide info and feats, and/or their argument, before you supply yours.
This brings us to the team owners. They can cast a vote also, but if they do so, they need to bring firm reason as to why they think so. Unlike normal voters, they are subject to biased voting.
With that said, no bribing the members. If you're caught doing so, your team is automatically out.

[Darklyre]

Akabane vs Nemesis Kid
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Nemesis Kid's power is to evolve the exact powers needed to counter his opponent and win. He's like an offensive version of Darwin.
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Goku vs Lucius the Eternal
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Goku is a close-ranged fighter, isn't he? Any hits he makes have to be more powerful than lasguns in order to have a chance of breaking through the armor, and even if he hits, he'll still get automatically counterattacked by the souls present in Lucius' armor. Also, how resistant is Goku to mental or soul attacks? I'm not voting until I get some feats for him.
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Sasori vs Paibok
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Sasori's cannot penetrate Paibok's skin if he doesn't want it to, since he's a shapeshifter. Speedblitzes are nothing compared to the lightning and ice blasts of Paibok. Add in class 25+ strength and hypnotism and he should win this pretty easily.
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Gaara vs November 11
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I'm guessing this is pre-timeskip Gaara (since post-timeskip breaks the city-block busting limit). November 11 doesn't seem to be limited by the amount of liquid needed to create his ice, and he was fast enough to create iceshields to block point-blank explosions. He should be able to simply freeze any of Gaara's attacks, although it's debateable as to whether he could get his ice through Gaara's personal sand. I'd call it a draw.
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Mayuri vs Wesley Gibson
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Skip for now.
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[Keollyn]

I'm not sure why Goku has to punch harder than lasers when lasers only pierce/cut due to concentrated heat.

What mental attacks are you referring to?

Same with soul.

[Ion]

Gaara vs November 11
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I'm guessing this is pre-timeskip Gaara (since post-timeskip breaks the city-block busting limit). November 11 doesn't seem to be limited by the amount of liquid needed to create his ice, and he was fast enough to create iceshields to block point-blank explosions. He should be able to simply freeze any of Gaara's attacks, although it's debateable as to whether he could get his ice through Gaara's personal sand. I'd call it a draw.
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Even pre-skip Gaara brakes the city block busting limit.

Ryuusa Bakuryuu + Sabaku Taisou

[EvilMoogle]

Sasori vs Paibok
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Paibok should win this one given that he's going for the win from the start. I do think Sasori would be able to fight back however.
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And while not a vote, the more I hear about Lucius the Eternal, the more I'm convinced no one would consider him "street level."

[Darklyre]

I'm not sure why Goku has to punch harder than lasers when lasers only pierce/cut due to concentrated heat.

What mental attacks are you referring to?

Same with soul.

Well, lasweapons seem to create explosions when they hit things, hence exploding rockcrete walls and gibbed Imperial Guardsmen.

As for mental/soul attacks, all attacks that hit Lucius' armor are instantly countered by an attack from the souls contained within his armor. They don't attack physically, but via the Warp. Lucius also has the Warp Scream, which creates a brief moment of Warp energy bleed, that causes enemies to briefly halt their attacks and readjust to the energy. On top of that, his whip is daemon-possessed, and is sentient with its attacks, causing enemies to be hindered by it more than a usual weapon (although I'd ignore this, seeing as it's represented by a minus to initiative, which is a game mechanic). The whip itself causes warp damage along with physical damage.

As for why Lucius is still a street-leveler, it's because he's not a psyker, and is limited to hand-to-hand (he has no ranged weapons besides his Warp Scream and his Doom Siren, which is basically a machine that causes massive sonic noises to mess with the enemy). Without psyker powers or a large ranged weapon, he really has no way of blasting apart a city block. His one shtick is his reincarnation, which Keollyn has said will not work for the purposes of this tournament.

And if Gaara breaks the city-block limit, shouldn't he be disqualified?

[Halcyon Days]

anyone have a link to some feats?

[Banhammer]

Akabane vs Nemesis Kid
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In the words of Darlyre; "An offensive version of Darwin". He outlives anything that you throw at him..
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Goku vs Lucius the Eternal
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Goku is reaaaaaaaaaaaly powerfull, but lucius can just throw attacks on wich strength has nothing to deal with. I'm going with lucius for the win
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Sasori vs Paibok
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He controls a metal Gaara... And one hundred pupets at a time, and if he gets one tiny win drop of poison in your body, yor dead.. And because he dosen't exactly have a brain, I don't think he can be hipnotized, and not to mention the fact that sakura had alot of stregnth too, but in the end, that's not what beated him
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Gaara vs November 11
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Sooner or later gaara is going to catch him, and even if he does raise an ice shield, and even if that does help anything at all against the mega ton pressure exerted by the sand, I don't think nov11 can pull a "Kimi Possible" and came back from being sent two miles bellow the earth.
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Mayuri vs Wesley Gibson
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Skip for now.
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[Keollyn]

Well, lasweapons seem to create explosions when they hit things, hence exploding rockcrete walls and gibbed Imperial Guardsmen.

Rockcrete? Imperial guardsmen? These do not tell me the strength of the lasweapon if there's no context (or even meaning. What the heck is a Rockcrete?)



As for mental/soul attacks, all attacks that hit Lucius' armor are instantly countered by an attack from the souls contained within his armor.

So it's not Goku's soul that's getting attacked. Thought there was a major concern here.

You haven't explained the mental part unfortunately.


They don't attack physically, but via the Warp.

This is basically like my first quote reply. No context, so I have no idea what the Warp is or what it does.



Lucius also has the Warp Scream, which creates a brief moment of Warp energy bleed, that causes enemies to briefly halt their attacks and readjust to the energy. On top of that, his whip is daemon-possessed, and is sentient with its attacks, causing enemies to be hindered by it more than a usual weapon (although I'd ignore this, seeing as it's represented by a minus to initiative, which is a game mechanic). The whip itself causes warp damage along with physical damage.


This will likely make more sense once the Warp question I have is answered.

And if Gaara breaks the city-block limit, shouldn't he be disqualified?

I'm actually curious as to why people think Gaara is against the rules. Are they talking about his Shukaku form? Gaara hardly takes that form, and that form doesn't seem any worse than "diamond" destroyers or people who can give most recent Luffy trouble...

Quick question I need of Lucius.

How fast is he?

What of his offensive power?

[Banhammer]

The Laser Beam, also known as the laser flux or laser stream, is an elevated concentration of specially charged photons(particules light is made of) of the same frequencie hitting the exat same spot, charging an element's electrons with energy, disrupting the bond between an electron and a proton (positive energy is atracted by negative energy) making them split from their nucleous, and therefore, crumbling the attom., destroying the target.
However, if the surface has a very high reflective index, energy under the form of light is easlier dispersen under ways heat, hence the "melting" surrondings, and if an energy shield is present, these "Explosions" since all energy is converted into heat.
Therefore, someone cannot pack as much punch as a laser, since the mechanics of these two, are completly difrent.

[Keollyn]

I'm aware of all that. The issue is that what Darklyre is referring to is not lasers fired from a gun, but something entirely different. And even if it was lasers, you can pack more of a punch than lasers since lasers do not cause blunt force trauma. Goku causes alot of blunt force trauma. Thus I need to know what kind of blunt force resistance this armor has.

[Banhammer]

I'm aware of all that. The issue is that what Darklyre is referring to is not lasers fired from a gun, but something entirely different. And even if it was lasers, you can pack more of a punch than lasers since lasers do not cause blunt force trauma. Goku causes alot of blunt force trauma. Thus I need to know what kind of blunt force resistance this armor has.

My point exactly :) Though just in case somebody else could use the enlightment.

[Keollyn]

You're thinking of the wrong Goku.

[Banhammer]

Oh..... Now that was embarassing

[thegoodjae]

Team thegoodjae
Akabane (Getbackers?)
Goku (Saiyuki)
Sasori (Naruto)
Gaara (Naruto)
Mayuri (Bleach?) Already taken if from Bleach

vs

Team Darklyre
Wesley Gibson (Wanted)
Paibok the Power Skrull (Marvel 616)
Lucius the Eternal (Warhammer 40,000)
November 11 (Darker than Black)
Nemesis Kid (DC)

Akabane vs Nemesis Kid

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With amazing speed and power, and th ability to put anything into use that touches his blood, hurting him to a certain extent is only helping him. He also gets stronger as he gets hurt and more bloodlusted. He has shown afterimages and such.

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Gokuvs Lucius the Eternal
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I don't know much about Lucius but Goku has AMAZING durability as well as a good range of attacking with his stick. He is agile, has quick reaction, as well as develops with unlimited potential in a fight. Still, reading the description, Lucius should win.

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Sasori vs Paibok

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His iron sand should penetrate Paibok, and with 300 puppets as well as Paibok not having an antidote, Sasori takes it easily.

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Gaara vs November 11

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I meant post skip. He never shown anything to assume he can take out a WHOLE city. Anyways, I say Gaara ONLY due to having the auto shield as well as being able to attack from omnidirection including the ground

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Mayuri vs Wesley Gibson

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I am not allowed to use Mayuri :(....

Oh and uhh Keollyn, is Jiraiya taken?

Gaara never shown the abilityu to take out a city.

[Banhammer]

if we count shukaku out, he kinda rose that whole sand shield that would have destroyed the city if he let it fall

[Keollyn]

What describtion? Not alot is known about Lucius.

Oh, and you cannot switch out.

[thegoodjae]

No he wouldn't, that sand sheild was the size of two buildings. The reason why the bomb would have blown up a whole city istheafterwave shockwave impacts, which the sand wouldn't have.

Oh, so from now on, I can't use Mayuri as well as always having one auto loss!?!?

[Keollyn]

Unfortunately.

[thegoodjae]

Keollyn...I LOVE YOU...please!?!? let me use at least Bakira or volume 3 kyo....

[Keollyn]

It wouldn't be fair if I allowed you to replace a character. I already enforced this with 3 other people.

[Darklyre]

The main problem with Akabane against Nemesis Kid is this: Nemesis Kid against any single opponent cannot lose except via Plot no Jutsu, Deus Ex Machina, or Plot-Induced Stupidity. Literally. He develops the EXACT defenses needed to nullify his opponent's abilities, and the EXACT abilities needed to damage his opponent. About the only limit is that he cannot counter cosmic beings or anyone able to split themselves into multiple sentient beings (Naruto's Kage Bunshin wouldn't count, but Multiple Man would). Even against people able to divide their sentience, he can develop an ability to escape from the situation (he evolved teleportation against two opponents). He also gains the knowledge of HOW to use his abilities, so there's no argument of ignorance. Akabane can absorb any physical substance that touches his blood, right? Can he absorb any energy blasts that Nemesis Kid suddenly develops? Can he get past any possible intangibility? What about hypersonic flight? Think of a way to beat Akabane, and Nemesis Kid can develop that without even thinking about it.

And Lucius' armor DOES autoattack the person who hit him, not the attack itself. I phrased that kind of wrong. Basically, Goku hits Lucius' armor. The armor's souls reach out and hit Goku's soul. This happens automatically, regardless of what Lucius does.

Paibok is also debateable on whether he'd even be vulnerable to Sasori's poison, being an alien Skrull with a completely different physiology. Yes, Sasori has magnetism. Paibok has lightning and ice comparable to Storm and Iceman (not Omega level, but regular Bobby). Add in his superstrength and there's pretty much nothing those puppets can actually do to him. Physical attacks are meaningless (he's not getting speedblitzed...he shapeshifted his organs out of the way of an energy attack). Iron Sand is useless against him, considering he can turn into organic metal like Colossus, and deactivate the transformation any time he wishes, meaning Sasori can't really manipulate him (even if he does, what would that accomplish against a Skrull shapeshifter?). Oh yeah, Paibok was also strong enough to pierce Drax the Destroyer's head. The super-strong Drax, not the current Thanos-killing one. Oh, and before I forget: Paibok has flight. He could simply fly out of range and drop a lightning bolt on Sasori's head.

As for context questions, rockcrete is much like reinforced concrete. Lasguns can go right through a few feet of it easily. There are recorded instances of multiple lasguns all blasting at a single point on a Space Marine's armor and none of it getting through.

The Warp is basically another dimension composed of emotional energy, overlaid on top of realspace. Exposure to the Warp can cause insanity, delusions, hallucinations, hypnotism, etc. Even brief exposures can cause massive nausea and nightmares for those not used to its effects. Extended exposure causes mutations and a complete breakdown of mental stability, and the distinct possibility of daemon possession, hence the question about Goku's resistance to soul and mental attacks.

[Ion]

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Gaara vs November 11

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I meant post skip. He never shown anything to assume he can take out a WHOLE city. Anyways, I say Gaara ONLY due to having the auto shield as well as being able to attack from omnidirection including the ground

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Mayuri vs Wesley Gibson

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I am not allowed to use Mayuri :(....

Oh and uhh Keollyn, is Jiraiya taken?

Gaara never shown the abilityu to take out a city.I never said that Gaara could take out a whole city.

I said that he could easily take out an entire city block, which is what characters in this tournament are not allowed to be able to do.

Once again, Ryuusa Bakuryuu + Sabaku Taisou >>>>>>> any city block, and chunks of the surrounding blocks as well.

[Keollyn]

And Lucius' armor DOES autoattack the person who hit him, not the attack itself. I phrased that kind of wrong. Basically, Goku hits Lucius' armor. The armor's souls reach out and hit Goku's soul. This happens automatically, regardless of what Lucius does.

For me, I was aware that you meantr this. Regardless, a soul attack should be just like attacking Goku physically... harmful if it is stronger than what he can take. And since the three aspects said that Goku was gifted with a divine level soul, it might not hurt him much, if at all... depending on the evidence.

Here's the scan.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6359/thesagemk2.jpg



As for context questions, rockcrete is much like reinforced concrete. Lasguns can go right through a few feet of it easily. There are recorded instances of multiple lasguns all blasting at a single point on a Space Marine's armor and none of it getting through.



Oh, okay. Well Goku should be stronger than such, since he's physically deformed steel a power growth ago, and he was merely blocking (said steel can stand up to an attack that can tear through rebars)



The Warp is basically another dimension composed of emotional energy, overlaid on top of realspace. Exposure to the Warp can cause insanity, delusions, hallucinations, hypnotism, etc. Even brief exposures can cause massive nausea and nightmares for those not used to its effects. Extended exposure causes mutations and a complete breakdown of mental stability, and the distinct possibility of daemon possession, hence the question about Goku's resistance to soul and mental attacks.

Well it's questionable, since the only person who mentally attacked Goku was god himself.

I'm quite sure the insanity wouldn't do any different a change from his current state. Nausea shouldn't work since it's still a physical ailment, and all he has to to is regen from it (being part-immortal). Nightmares also seem questionable, as he couldn't have nightmares of anything with his memory sealed (aren't nightmares usually manifestation of things you fear? Or am I confusing it?)

Hallucinations and hyponism could be problematic. But otherwise, what else would he be able to do to Goku?

[Darklyre]

Well, the insanity I'm talking about is more of a marked change in personality towards bloodlust (his own blood or otherwise), manipulation (of everyone, regardless of ally or enemy), fear of death, or extreme hedonism. Essentially one of those overrides the person's original personality. As for the nausea, it's not actually a physical attack, since it's Warp energy. A hit from Warp energy can cause anything from complete disintegration of both body and soul, to extreme pleasure, to a complete failing of the bodily senses. In any case, a surge of Warp energy causes the target to stop whatever they're doing and reconcentrate. Considering Lucius' weapons are capable of blocking adamantium-toothed chainswords and power weapons, I'd say he has damn good chance of hurting Goku while the Warp Scream or Doom Siren is in effect.

[Keollyn]

Well, the insanity I'm talking about is more of a marked change in personality towards bloodlust (his own blood or otherwise), manipulation (of everyone, regardless of ally or enemy), fear of death, or extreme hedonism.

See that's the thing. Goku is literally working off of instinct. Limiter Goku, and his actual form are pretty much two different personalities. Most of this would likely work on limiter Goku, but likely not on someone who has no grasp of death to be fearful of (think of a child. They don't fear death because they generally don't know what death is). Hedonism would work in his favor because his only gratification appears to be sadistic behavior. I'm not sure how changing him to bloodlust status would be beneficial. Unless I'm missing something

Essentially one of those overrides the person's original personality.

Goku's original personality ever since the events in heaven appear to be childish and sadist.

As for the nausea, it's not actually a physical attack, since it's Warp energy.

The act of nausea is physical though. I wasn't speaking of the cause.

A hit from Warp energy can cause anything from complete disintegration of both body and soul

This is new.

to extreme pleasure

Which again will only be Goku's love for inflicting pain. His Id appears to be missing the other aspects.

to a complete failing of the bodily senses

Which is questionable on working on someone who can completely restore organs.

Edit: Read wrong.

In any case, a surge of Warp energy causes the target to stop whatever they're doing and reconcentrate. Considering Lucius' weapons are capable of blocking adamantium-toothed chainswords and power weapons, I'd say he has damn good chance of hurting Goku while the Warp Scream or Doom Siren is in effect.

Good chance, but Goku is a very durable character.

The problem I see is more for Lucius than Goku. If what we only got of the shield withstanding is lasers that busted through reinforced concrete (even if you consider multiple not affecting it), that's not really beyond Goku to damage and/or break through.

[Darklyre]

Well, the the question on my side remains: how durable is Goku compared to Space Marine power armor? Lucius can slice right through it with his saber as if he was using a power weapon, and those things have matter-dispersing fields.

[Keollyn]

Well, the the question on my side remains: how durable is Goku compared to Space Marine power armor? Lucius can slice right through it with his saber as if he was using a power weapon, and those things have matter-dispersing fields.

Ah, getting new information with each post. This makes for a good debate.

Anyway, this information changes things quite a bit of things since he's never been hit with something that goes through a shield of that sort.

I honestly couldn't name a feat that would be substantial enough. I concede (though whether the warp energy will be greatly effective on Goku still lingers in my mind)

[Keollyn]

Darklyre wins this round with 7 votes over thegoodjae's 5