SLTournament: God Itachi VS. Limit_Tester [Archive]

Keollyn

08-24-2007, 11:55 PM

Round Two, Match Five.

Standard match rules

PIS off
CIS on (In Character)
Bloodlust off. Albeit, characters are out to win.
No ring outs
Knock out or fatality
Speed limit raised to mach 5.

Team God Itachi
Darwin (Marvel Comics)
Northstar (Marvel Comics)
Shadow King (Marvel Comics)
Black Alice (DC Comics)
Mister M (Marvel Comics)

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Team Limit_Tester
Midou Ban (Get Backers)
Meruem (HxH)
Moonstone (Thunderbolts)
Metamorpho (Outsiders)
Midnighter (Authority)

Darwin vs Metamorpho

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Northstar vs Ban Midou

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Shadow King vs Moonstone

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Black Alice vs Midnighter

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Mister M. vs Meruem

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I'll keep the rules and regulations simple.

Bold the name of the person you know is the winner and leave a commentary.
Commentary is now mandatory. Any vote without a commentary will be ignored. Commentary do not need to be life stories, but they do need to be done.
If you can't think of a winner, mainly because you don't know enough of the person, you can wait till the owners of the team provide info and feats, and/or their argument, before you supply yours.
This brings us to the team owners. They can cast a vote also, but if they do so, they need to bring firm reason as to why they think so. Unlike normal voters, they are subject to biased voting.
With that said, no bribing the members. If you're caught doing so, your team is automatically out.

EvilMoogle

08-25-2007, 12:53 AM

The only one on Limit_Tester's team I know:

Shadow King vs Moonstone
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Moonstone's actually quite powerful, but Shadow King's one of the strongest Telepaths in Marvel, I don't see her lasting any signifigant amount of time.

Even if she did last, she has no way to fight him while he's on the Astral Plane.

(Though that is kinda cheap, only a telepath can fight the Shadow King, unless we assume the Shadow King is possessing someone on the material plane, in which case we have to question that body's abilities).
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Keollyn

08-25-2007, 01:03 AM

Yeah, Shadow King will need a physical body. Being on the astral plane is treated as being incorporeal... which we know breaks a rule.

EvilMoogle

08-25-2007, 01:31 AM

Yeah, Shadow King will need a physical body. Being on the astral plane is treated as being incorporeal... which we know breaks a rule.

Yeah, in this particular matchup I don't think it makes much of a difference. But if he ends up advancing to future rounds it would be nice to know what someone could do to defeat him other than purely psychically.

atom

08-25-2007, 01:37 AM

Its really difficult to get some scans of comics round' here, but here are some feats and where they came from.

Black Alice:
Power: Black Alice's power is to take away the power/ability/etc of someone else, leaving it powerless and she gets it. So thats pretty much it.
Feats: She took Spectre's power. She took Captain Marvel's and some other strong people
Weakness: She has to be looking at the person or she can't get their power and will just get some random superpower, but in this case its irrelevant since its one on one and we are assuming they are the only ones around, so really no weakness.

Source: Birds of Prey Comics and Day of Vengenace. She is introduced in Issue 76 and I think she gets Spectre's power in the Day Of Vengance miniseries.
I will update this post with more feats later on.

EvilMoogle

08-25-2007, 01:47 AM

Weakness: She has to be looking at the person or she can't get their power and will just get some random superpower, but in this case its irrelevant since its one on one and we are assuming they are the only ones around, so really no weakness.

Just for clarity's sake, Black Alice can only take magical powers, correct?

atom

08-25-2007, 01:48 AM

Just for clarity's sake, Black Alice can only take magical powers, correct?
Supposedly, but she has taken powers that aren't magical so I dunno.

Orion

08-25-2007, 02:00 AM

Supposedly, but she has taken powers that aren't magical so I dunno.

What non magical power did she take?

atom

08-25-2007, 02:05 AM

I think it was Alan Scott

Orion

08-25-2007, 02:11 AM

His is magical.

Pipboy

08-25-2007, 02:22 AM

Keollyn

08-25-2007, 02:44 AM

God Itachi apparently left this info out when he registered him.

Darklyre

08-25-2007, 05:07 AM

Darwin vs Metamorpho
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This is a stalemate. Metamorpho has no way of hurting Darwin, while Darwin has no way of permanently keeping Metamorpho down, since Rex can absorb external elements into his body to repair any damage.
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Northstar vs Ban Midou
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Northstar is easily hypersonic, both in combat and travel. He can also blind Ban using his photokinesis and has concussive blasts along with that. CIS on means he's also willing to speedblitz and use deadly force.
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Shadow King vs Moonstone
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Shadow King breaks the city block level limit and the invulnerability limit.
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Black Alice vs Midnighter
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Black Alice's powers are limited to magical beings. Her innate magical abilities aren't much, besides the ability to see through magical illusions and to view magical auras. Midnighter specializes in beating the fuck out of teenage capes.
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Mister M. vs Meruem
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Mister M EASILY breaks half the limits on the list. He's basically Molecule Man without mental blocks.
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Banhammer

08-25-2007, 08:28 AM

Darwin vs Metamorpho

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Darwin kind of almost breaks the perfect invunerability rule. Whomever got him, got a dude that can beat maybe even kitty pryde. He'll just develop imunity after imunity to the point where he can just punch metamorpho to exaustion.

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Northstar vs Ban Midou

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Northstar: Ho!*dodge*Ha!**duck* Too fast!*dodge again* Can't touch this!*sneak up behind him* Try again! *dodge* Say cheese!*flash* Nice ass! *grope* Gigdy Gigdy Goo! *punch him at mach5 with invunerable fist*
Going up!*makes him a long nelson and flies up at mach five* Thank you for flying northstar! *seismic toss*
Now your "screwed!"*twists his neck*

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ShadowKing vs Moonstone

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Tough choice.... Nope, no it isn't, can everybody here spell "rule breaking mindrape"?

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Black Alice vs Midnighter

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It would have been fairer to put black alice against Ban Midou, and midnighter against northstar. really. Her powers do not help her here, and she sure aint doing better against him in the hand to hand field. That's his power.
You shouldn't have chosen spiderman instead. He would have gotten sp33dlb1tz3d by 90% of this tournament, but he would have won here.

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Mister M. vs Meruem

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Noooooooooh, this cant be, Absolom? The omega level reality bender that breaks every rule in this tournament but the speed limit? Noooooooooo. No. Just no. Don't argue! clusterf"#ed a pre ogre sentinel by sowing him the finger, so he wouldn't crush a caterpillar! I vote M, but I'm pretty sure he's gonna get kicked out.

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Tuxx

08-25-2007, 09:09 AM

How does Black Alice lose? ><

*edit* yeah...me thinks Itachi's team is a bit to much kinda. ><

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:15 AM

black alice can't absorb from midlnighter, and his powers kinda rule over hers in the hand to hand level

Tuxx

08-25-2007, 09:36 AM

But she can use other peoples powers... I think people are overlooking what Alice can do.

You know...she steals peoples power...beings of magical origins and stuff. Even in her latest appearance issue...it kinda seems she can control which powers she chooses already. At least imo, from what I've seen. That or she really does pick from random people or at least powers close to what she wants it to be...

But we can't pull random powers for situational uses, that'd be to much for this tournament. So to break it down; she has taken powers from:

Spectre
Wonder Woman
Felix Faust
Dr. Fate
Zatanna
Black Adam or was it Captain Marvel
Giganta
Alan Scott
Raven

I don't know if she can still take Spectre's power again though. When her powers were fading from when she first took them to beat him...he set up barriers against her at that moment to prevent her so. But in BoP 96...she daydreams about what she could do...using Spectre powers to torture and torment some girl who's picks on her. But that's all in her head...I think.

Anyways, she not only takes their powers, but also their natural talents, inherit skills, and knowledge as well. Plus she can use more then one power at a time.

atom

08-25-2007, 11:45 AM

Wait, I just have a rules question. I thought that the limit was city block level powers no invulnerabilty and no OHKO's. The Shadow king is invulnerable and psychic enough to take down more than a city block and controls the reality of his home plane which he can draw you onto?

How is he of tier?
He is only invulnerable when is working on the Astral Plane, for this fight, well he would have to have a body (Which I guess would be himself before he died) So that means no invulnerability, and this version is weaker as well.

Also, when has he destroyed a city block or more?

Anyway, for the sake of the tourny. I guess that Shadow King would be in his human body and really he is just an average human except with physic strength to stand a chance against Prof. X in a physic fight. So yeah.

Mister M. vs Meruem
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Mister M EASILY breaks half the limits on the list. He's basically Molecule Man without mental blocks.
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When has Mister M destroyed a city block? Or moved faster thne Mach 5? He's not intangible either, not to mention he was short lived. I don't know about you, but I go with what he did do, not what he could do, and from what he did do, he isn't anything like Molecule Man other then the fact that they both control them.

Wait, Mister M is significantly weaker then Molecule Man, they shouldn't even really be compared. Mister M can't work on a subatomic level, he can't move faster then light like he can he can't open portals and travel through them either.

atom

08-25-2007, 12:08 PM

Darwin vs Metamorpho

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Metamorpho will be a good match, however, Darwin will just become immune to everything that he does and Darwin will just wait until he gets tired then strike and knock him out.

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Northstar vs Ban Midou

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Northstar is too fast and too strong. Not to mention that he could blind Ban Midou with his light based powers and take the fight easily, however I need to know more about him before I make any conclusions.

On second thought, Northstar would win very easily. Supersonic speeds, regen, its pretty much over for Ban Midou
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Shadow King vs Moonstone

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Since Shadow King is only in his human form, there is no really way that he can win, Moonstone would overpower him and that would be that. Granted, Shadow King might be able to confuse her and get a knock out blow since he is considerably smarter, even in his human form.

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Black Alice vs Midnighter

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If Midnighters power is considered magical, then Black Alice wins, otherwise Midnighter takes this quite comfortably. But I really don't know, if people like Alan Scotts powers are considered magical, wouldn't Midnighter's powers be magical as well?

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Mister M. vs Meruem

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I don't see what Meruem can do to Mister M, Mister M could just fly up and fling some random beams at him then Meruem will die, but I need more information before judgement.

Yeah, I got some more information. Meruem isn't winning this.
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Banhammer

08-25-2007, 07:05 PM

shadow king could just keep switching hosts or use Moonstone as one.

Pipboy

08-25-2007, 07:22 PM

Darwin vs Metamorpho

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Darwin can adapt to some things, but given the restrictions of the tournament and the fact that he has no other important or worthy powers of note, metamorpho can win without too much of a problem. Especially considering that Metamorhpo is a shape shifter who can't be knocked out by a punch and has almost unlimited abilty to alter his chemical makeup.

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Northstar vs Ban Midou

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Northstars speed is limited and the evil eye is in effect. If Ban uses the full extent of his powers then northstar is screwed.

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Shadow King vs Moonstone

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Moonstone, because the shadow king apparently is in his no power mode.

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Black Alice vs Midnighter

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NOthing about the midnighter is magical and he can kill faster and better.

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Mister M. vs Meruem

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Aside from the fact Mr. M breaks the rules? What on earth makes someone who has "God Like Abilties" in their wiki a good choice?

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atom

08-25-2007, 08:07 PM

shadow king could just keep switching hosts or use Moonstone as one.
Shadow King would be in his original body, which is about equal to Prof. X's body if that means anything.

Darwin vs Metamorpho

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Darwin can adapt to some things, but given the restrictions of the tournament and the fact that he has no other important or worthy powers of note, metamorpho can win without too much of a problem. Especially considering that Metamorhpo is a shape shifter who can't be knocked out by a punch and has almost unlimited abilty to alter his chemical makeup.

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At best, that would be a tie, for example when Darwin is punched by someone strong, his power just makes him more durable, the only way to kill him would be via physic attack or reality warping or a extremely absurd attack.

Shadow King vs Moonstone

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Moonstone, because the shadow king apparently is in his no power mode.

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No, he is just in his original body, and not in the astral plain which would make him immortal and what not. So pretty much he is Prof X in this tourny but he can walk. Since Prof. X and Shadow King are pretty much the same (Even on the physic level)
Northstar vs Ban Midou

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Northstars speed is limited and the evil eye is in effect. If Ban uses the full extent of his powers then northstar is screwed.

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This is CIS, and he has never used Evil Eye in a fight, so there is no reason to think he would now, so I doubt he would and its unlikely that he would to begin with.

Mister M. vs Meruem

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Aside from the fact Mr. M breaks the rules? What on earth makes someone who has "God Like Abilties" in their wiki a good choice?

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Mister M hasn't shown anything above the rules limits. And saying that he "could" destroy a city with a finger or whatever is purely speculation since he didn't even do that and was killed by a fire attack <_<. Besides I don't use Wiki, I use the Marvel and DC Database.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 08:10 PM

But he has been able to switch bodies right?

atom

08-25-2007, 08:14 PM

But he has been able to switch bodies right?
He can switch bodies when he is in the Astral Plane, but for this tourny, he will be in his body before he died and passed on to the Astral Plane. Shadow King is basically Prof. X in skill and physical condition (Cept he can walk with a cane, whereas Prof. X needs a wheelchair and can only stand)

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 08:19 PM

.......well, then it's a chubby man with no powers against a manga character?
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I don't think that's what the team leafer had in mind...
someone is going to have te explain me in a very detailed fashion exactly what can shadow king do here

atom

08-25-2007, 08:21 PM

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 08:24 PM

So he gets alpha level telepathy?

atom

08-25-2007, 08:26 PM

So he gets alpha level telepathy?
Yeah, basically.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 08:30 PM

atom

08-25-2007, 08:43 PM

Oh! So he still wins!

By the way, M raped a pre-ogre sentinel so he wouldn't step on a caterpilar, without looking, without thinking, without caring, just brushing him off as if it were just showing him the finger. I think he breaks the power rule, but, even if we do tone him down, he still wins
Yeah, except the Sentinel really wasn't trying to fight. So its not like it was a Celestial anyway. I mean, Sentinel's aren't THAT strong. I also wouldn't say that he raped it as well.

Beating a Sentinel wouldn't break the power rule. If it weren't for the fact that the Hulk destroyed a astroid as big as earth and had regen and basically can't die, he could be in this tourny.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 08:51 PM

I think even if the sentinel was trying to fight he would have beaten him with minimal effort
And it was pre-ogre
So an entire block could be crushed in one blow by absolom

atom

08-25-2007, 09:02 PM

This tourny goes by feats, what the people have actually been capable of doing. I mean anyone with an energy based attack could destroy a city block if they charged up, but if they haven't its meaningless.can dest

I don't see how being able to beat a Sentinel means you can destroy a city block anyways

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:12 PM

being able to destroy a sentinel just by pointing does

atom

08-25-2007, 09:15 PM

being able to destroy a sentinel just by pointing does
How does that make you above city block level? The Hulk could click a Sentinel and destroy him, but The Hulk still can't destroy a city block with his finger.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:17 PM

I think hulk could level a city block with a seismic shockwave.
He shatered the ground just by claping

And he did almost levered a city. Bishop had to stop him because he knew he could

atom

08-25-2007, 09:19 PM

I think hulk could level a city block with a seismic shockwave.
He shatered the ground just by claping
Can The Hulk do a thunderclap with a finger? Nope...

Besides, Mister M hasn't destroyed a city block in one attack, so thats that.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:24 PM

You know he is called omega level in the 198 files?

atom

08-25-2007, 09:29 PM

You know he is called omega level in the 198 files?
What does that have to do with anything? He hasn't destroyed a city block in one attack before... he was killed by fire...

EvilMoogle

08-25-2007, 09:30 PM

You know he is called omega level in the 198 files?

Omega just rates potential not actual ability to use the power.

Elixir's an omega, but he hasn't shown anywhere near that level of power.

Keollyn

08-25-2007, 09:35 PM

Again, it doesn't matter if you can't destroy a city block. Your level must be street leveler.

So the Hulk example is really bad.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:39 PM

First, leech drained him from his powers first. And he did pull a jesus christ
Second, he was shown to be able to destroy cities, bishop would not have tried to stop him if he couldn't.

Wait, what am I arguing for? I voted fir absolom

atom

08-25-2007, 09:39 PM

Again, it doesn't matter if you can't destroy a city block. Your level must be street leveler.

So the Hulk example is really bad.
Yeah, I know. But you know that Shadow King is in his human form since his Astral Form is over the limits right?

Mister M is a street leveler fighter. I mean he died by fire <_<. His life was really short lived, but from what he shown, he was indeed a street level fighter.

First, leech drained him from his powers first. And he did pull a jesus christ
Second, he was shown to be able to destroy cities, bishop would not have tried to stop him if he couldn't.
Even with drained power, the fact that he died by fire shows his durability. Speed Blitz + Powerful Punch = Mister M dead. Can you give me a scan of him destroying a city block in one attack?

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:41 PM

again, leech drained his powers, and he did pull a jesus christ, so he might return, keep your eyes open

atom

08-25-2007, 09:41 PM

again, leech drained his powers, and he did pull a jesus christ, so he might return, keep your eyes open
He has already been confirmed dead, he isn't coming back. Even though you voted for Mister M, he isn't as powerful as you making him seem, sure if his potenial is realized yes, he would be alot stronger then a street leveler, however this potenial was not realized and well, his showings were bad at best.

Mister M could destroy a city block in a span of about an hour with his powers. Which is about what is expected from someone of his ability. I guess he could also charge a huge blast which could destroy a city block too.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:46 PM

I'm starting to miss the point of this argument

atom

08-25-2007, 09:48 PM

I'm starting to miss the point of this argument
I don't want Mister M to be overrated now, he could be beat. Rather easily, if you use speed blitz.

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:52 PM

but he has healing factor, he has healed from three point blank shots to the head!
He could just go intangible after one shot.

atom

08-25-2007, 09:54 PM

but he has healing factor, he has healed from three point blank shots to the head!
He could just go intangible after one shot.
Healing sure, still not stopping someone from speedblitzing and cutting him into a hundred pieces (Kirin, Zoro, Trunks, etc, etc, etc,)

Banhammer

08-25-2007, 09:57 PM

I don't like sp33dbl1tzz!!11!:GB

Tuxx

08-26-2007, 03:27 AM

>_>
<_<

Darwin vs Metamorpho
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I'd lean more to Metamorpho...sure Darwin can adapt...no limits shown yet. I don't think he can adapt to everything exactly. Like getting enhanced strength while being in a binded. He can still be hurt physical the way I see it. Plus Metamorpho can do lots of neat tricks from making things from water, to bricks, to any element compound...can even turn machine into flesh, or explode things from the inside...etc.
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Northstar vs Ban Midou
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Undecided.

I want to say Northstar...but this is probably Manga Ban, so I don't know how much the differences the manga is to the anime.
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Shadow King vs Moonstone
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I don't know...whats the ruling? How could Moonstone combat telepathy....?
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Black Alice vs Midnighter
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Seriously...what is the ruling? For this tourny...we can at least say she can use any of the powers she have used before? If so...she takes this.
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Mister M. vs Meruem
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Same reason as everyone else's. Whatever...lets just say the gap of what M can do and what Meruem has yet to show can do, is large.
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Banhammer

08-26-2007, 08:56 AM

northstar has a considerable amount of invunerability

Keollyn

08-28-2007, 10:53 PM

The votes for this match meet with a tie, but since it has been made apparent by more than one person that Shadow king violates the rules (and possibly others), God Itachi can either accept removal of said character or decline entry into the next round.

Banhammer

08-28-2007, 11:44 PM

I thought we had agreed shadow king has only professor X telepathy level

Darklyre

08-29-2007, 02:22 PM

I thought we had agreed shadow king has only professor X telepathy level

That's not the point. The point is that in his base form, he's an astral being that cannot be touched with physical or energy damage of any type.

Banhammer

08-29-2007, 05:03 PM

yeah, but he can be hurt by telepaths, so it's not his fault that they lack the tools, not the power, to vanquish him

atom

08-29-2007, 11:18 PM

Keollyn

08-29-2007, 11:20 PM

No change is allowed.

Darklyre

08-30-2007, 01:44 AM

yeah, but he can be hurt by telepaths, so it's not his fault that they lack the tools, not the power, to vanquish him

Allowing Shadow King would basically be like allowing Phantom Girl. You can't jump through dimensions? Too bad. There's a reason why that's not allowed.

Banhammer

08-30-2007, 10:00 AM

but even if shadow king were corporeal, like emma frost, moonstone could never survive his mind rape

Darklyre

08-30-2007, 11:04 PM

but even if shadow king were corporeal, like emma frost, moonstone could never survive his mind rape

That's just it, though. If he were corporeal, then he may very well have been matched up against someone who COULD damage him. Whether or not Moonstone could take him with that change doesn't even matter.

Banhammer

08-30-2007, 11:23 PM

EvilMoogle

08-30-2007, 11:23 PM

That's just it, though. If he were corporeal, then he may very well have been matched up against someone who COULD damage him. Whether or not Moonstone could take him with that change doesn't even matter.

Yeah, I'm fine with Shadow King in the tournament if he's in a body (depending on the specific body, when he first encountered Xavier would be ideal I'd think).

I don't see Moonstone beating him regardless, but some non-telepaths could beat him if there's something to attack.