SLTournament: Haterade VS. Phenomenol

[Keollyn]

Round Two, Match Four.

Standard match rules

PIS off
CIS on (In Character)
Bloodlust off. Albeit, characters are out to win.
No ring outs
Knock out or fatality
Speed limit raised to mach 5.




Team Haterade
Kirin (666Satan)
Gala (Bastard!!)
Kei Kurono (Gantz)
Wise Yuri (666Satan)
Kurotsuchi Mayuri (Bleach)

vs

Team Phenomenol
Wobbuffet (Pokemon)
Babidi (Dragonball Z)
Genkai (Yu Yu Hakusho Dark Tournament)
Psylocke (X-Men )
Orochimaru (Naruto)

Kirin vs Genkai

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Gala vs Babidi

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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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I'll keep the rules and regulations simple.


Bold the name of the person you know is the winner and leave a commentary.
Commentary is now mandatory. Any vote without a commentary will be ignored. Commentary do not need to be life stories, but they do need to be done.
If you can't think of a winner, mainly because you don't know enough of the person, you can wait till the owners of the team provide info and feats, and/or their argument, before you supply yours.
This brings us to the team owners. They can cast a vote also, but if they do so, they need to bring firm reason as to why they think so. Unlike normal voters, they are subject to biased voting.
With that said, no bribing the members. If you're caught doing so, your team is automatically out.

[atom]

Phenomenol again? Wait what?

*hopes that God Itachi is in round five*

Kirin vs Genkai

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From what I know about Kirin, he would beat Genkai via speedblitz. So I'll chose him until I get more information about Genkai.


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Gala vs Babidi

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Have no clue right now


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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Pass


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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Pass


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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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Pass


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[atom]

You want to be in round five? :huh
I ment Match, and speaking of that, I got it too. I'll edit that other post with commentary

[Ion]

Lists of Kirin's and Wise's feats are in here. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=199185)

Gala's feats can be found here. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=6408240&postcount=42)

[Super Star]

Kirin vs Genkai

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Genkai has various techniques and can take the power (or physical strength) of any enemy or object.


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Gala vs Babidi

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Babidi can mind control has a barrier to protect him or he can teleport people away.


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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Don't know much about Kei Kurono.


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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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From what I seen from the respect thread of Wise Yuri he loses easily to Psylocke who can mind blast him.


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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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Don't know what Mayuri can do to Wobbuffet who is a tank. Wobbuffet can reflect any attack back at the opponent 2 fold.

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[earthshine]

Kirin vs Genkai

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Kirin is too fast. he was able to cut a phaser, simply because his sword strike was so fast he was able to hit him before his molecules could space themsleves out.

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Gala vs Babidi

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don't know enough about Gala

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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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this likely goes to oro. his various jutsu combined with his physical abilities are too much for kei.

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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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psylocke is a psychic, but not in the way people think. current psylocke has NO telepathic ability, meaning no mindrape.

she still has her psychic sword telekenisis, however, and I'm really not sure I can see wise doing much against this.

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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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.....what?


why on earth is wobbuffet in this?


well, in any case, all his various abilities which involve damage reflection are useless, since mayuri can just poison it to death without ever touching it.
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[Ion]

Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Kei.... just doesn't stand much of a chance without one of the particle guns from the Gantz.

With just the suit, he's basically just a stronger human.

His only shot is if Orochimaru decides to start out with melee attacks, and Kei manages to bear hug him or something.

Sound unlikely?

Yeah, that's why I'm picking Oro....
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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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Don't know what Mayuri can do to Wobbuffet who is a tank. Wobbuffet can reflect any attack back at the opponent 2 fold.

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A cut from Ashisougi Jizou would paralyze Wobbuffet. One blast from Konjiki Ashisougi Jizou would poison it. A reiatsu release would leave Wobbuffet immobile, helpless, and open for attack.

Let's not forget kidou, houhou(shunpo), and Mayuri's bag of tricks.

Mayuri couldn't lose this in his sleep.
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[~Shin~]

Kirin vs Genkai

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Kirin is fast enough cut Genkai's head off before she has a chance to use her spirit gun or any of her other stuff.

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Gala vs Babidi

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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Kei can't really do anything against Oro but I don't see much Oro could do against the Gantz suit either. I guess that Oro would eventually be able to knock him out with repeated attacks.

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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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Mayuri uses shunpo and kidou or his shikai to finish this off.

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[WHITEBEARD]

Kirin vs Genkai

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She can absorb her opponents power and use it against them.


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Gala vs Babidi

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Babidi has a barrier, mind control, teleportation


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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Orochimaru would body snatch whoever is in front of him.



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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Psylocke can mind blast.


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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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Mayuri has to cut Wobbuffet in order to paralayze him or poison him. Wobbuffet can deflect ANY attack with Mirror coat and use encore to make Mayuri use the same exact attack over and over.

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[mystictrunks]

On the subject of Wobbofet vs Kurotsuchi, Wobbo could prevent being paralyzed/poisoned by using safeguard. This would prevent it from being effected like this for quite some time.

[Ion]

Kirin vs Genkai

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She can absorb her opponents power and use it against them.

What power would Genkai be stealing from Kirin? His eye powers are supplemental, not an actual attack, so if she copies his own Cyclops eye powers to use against him, he can just counteract her manipulations and speed blitz her with his sword.

Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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Mayuri has to cut Wobbuffet in order to paralayze him or poison him. Wobbuffet can deflect ANY attack with Mirror coat and use encore to make Mayuri use the same exact attack over and over.

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Konjiki Ashisougi Jizou is a gas.
On the subject of Wobbofet vs Kurotsuchi, Wobbo could prevent being paralyzed/poisoned by using safeguard. This would prevent it from being effected like this for quite some time.Mayuri still has his reiatsu release, kidou, and his bag of tricks.

[mystictrunks]

Safeguard protect you from gas,powder,etc. effects are well.

[Ion]

Mayuri still has his reiatsu release, kidou, bag of tricks, etc...

[Super Star]

What power would Genkai be stealing from Kirin? His eye powers are supplemental, not an actual attack, so if she copies his own Cyclops eye powers to use against him, he can just counteract her manipulations and speed blitz her with his sword.

Incorrect.

Konjiki Ashisougi Jizou is a gas.
Mayuri still has his reiatsu release, kidou, and his bag of tricks.

Safe Guard blocks ALL attacks and the mirror coat would deflect ANY attack even "special attacks." Everything will get sent back at him 2 fold.

[mystictrunks]

Mayuri still has his reiatsu release, kidou, bag of tricks, etc...

Those would count as special attacks, so they could be mirror coated.

[Ion]

Is there a limit to mirror coat?

How often can it be used?

How long does it stay up?

Details, people.

[WHITEBEARD]

More on Wobbuffet http://pokemon.marriland.com/diamond_pearl/pokedex/Wobbuffet/

[mystictrunks]

Is there a limit to mirror coat?

How often can it be used?

How long does it stay up?

Details, people.

Both Mirror Coat and Counter can be used 20 times each. They stay up until Wobbofet is hit by an attack, if it's the wrong type(physical or special) then nothing happens. If it's the right type it will be reflected at the opponent for 2 times the damage.


On top of this Wobbofet posses the technique Encore which forces the opponent to repeat the attack they just used over and over(2-5 times)

[Super Star]

What power would Genkai be stealing from Kirin?

Genkai not only can take power away from her opponent but physical strength form a person or object.

http://animeanalyze.ask4.nl/yuyu/yuyu.htm (just click on Genkai)

She can create a barrier which would sapp away Kirin's strength.

[Taleran]

am I the only one who sees Gala destroying Babdi


like cmon, speedblitzed

[WHITEBEARD]

No, Babidi has teleportation and a barrier.

[mystictrunks]

I believe Gala's restricted to Mach 5 for this fight.

[Ion]

@Dynamite Rave: Understood.

I never knew who to pick for that one anyway.

I can't decide on a winner until I find out how fast she is, since until I'm told otherwise, it's certainly feasible that Kirin could speed blitz her before she's able to activate her specials.More on Wobbuffet http://pokemon.marriland.com/diamond_pearl/pokedex/Wobbuffet/
So.....

How would any of what you and mystictrunks listed protect Wobbuffet from a simple shunpo + cut attack?

PIS is the only thing keeping pokeman from dying in fields of their own blood after getting cut, scratched, and stabbed. So, Counter would be a non-factor, IMO.

[Shiron]

Just want to point out something on the subject on Wobbuffet, since it seems he's being a bit overrated here. It won't be able to reflect something like the power of Mayuri's Ban-kai back at him. That's because it's an attack that's only purpouse is to poison. The only attack that could reflect such a thing is Magic Coat (which reflects the effects of moves like Toxic back at the user); Counter only reflects Physical Attacks and Mirror Coat Special Attacks. For moves that would fall into the other category, such as Toxic or Mayuri's Bankai, you'd have to use Magic Coat, which Wobbuffet can't use.

Also, I'd like to point out that Wobbuffet isn't invincible. It takes the damage of the attacks it reflects. In other words, it has to survive whatever attack it's trying to relect before it can reflect it. If an attack OHKO's it, it won't be able to do anything, since it would have been killed before it could actually pull off a Reflect/Mirror Coat.

[Super Star]

@Dynamite Rave: Understood.

I never knew who to pick for that one anyway.

I can't decide on a winner until I find out how fast she is, since it's certainly feasible that Kirin could speed blitz her before she's able to activate her specials.
So.....

I must say Yu Yu Hakushou is damn fast I beleive they were as fast as lightning before this arc. Genkai can use her techniques at will.

[WHITEBEARD]

you'd have to use Magic Coat, which Wobbuffet can't use.

Also, I'd like to point out that Wobbuffet isn't invincible. It takes the damage of the attacks it reflects. In other words, it has to survive whatever attack it's trying to relect before it can reflect it. If an attack OHKO's it, it won't be able to do anything, since it would have been killed before it could actually pull off a Reflect/Mirror Coat.

So.....

How would any of what you and mystictrunks listed protect Wobbuffet from a simple shunpo + cut attack?

Magic coat can be used....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AdUCaWOMqKI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBVq_LZYMj8&mode=related&search=

Counter and Mirror coat can reflect any melee and projectile, even special attacks. Wobuffet has counterd light beams which are extemely fast.

[Taleran]

uhhh pokemon move slow get speedblitz'd

[Shiron]

Magic coat can be used....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AdUCaWOMqKI
Um, what? Wobbuffet used Counter to reflect Corsola's Tackle and Mirror Coat to reflect Totodile's Water Gun. At least that's how it appeared to me, since I can't speak Japanese or anything...But then again, I don't need to, since all Magic Coat can do is reflect secondary effects/attack the fall in the Category "Other" such as Toxic, so it obvioulsy wasn't using Magic Coat there.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBVq_LZYMj8&mode=related&search=Mirror Coat... If that was Magic Coat, it would have failed, since all Magic Coat can reflect is secondary effects and not the attack itself.

Not seeing Magic Coat anywhere.

Counter and Mirror coat can reflect any melee and projectile, even special attacks. Wobuffet has counterd light beams which are extemely fast.Except for attacks that fall into the Category of "Other", such as Mayuri's Bankai and Pokemon attacks like Toxic, which are only reflectable with Magic Coat (http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/magiccoat.shtml).

[Ion]

Magic coat can be used....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AdUCaWOMqKI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBVq_LZYMj8&mode=related&search=

Counter and Mirror coat can reflect any melee and projectile, even special attacks. Wobuffet has counterd light beams which are extemely fast.But... Mirror Coat only works on special attacks, and it even says in the description of Counter that the user will give back 2x the damage that they received from an attack.

That means that Wobbuffet would still get damaged. Make no mistake.

So... if Mayuri does a simple shunpo + cut/stab, what would Wobbuffet be able to do then? Like I said before... PIS is the only thing keeping pokeman from dying in fields of their own blood after getting cut, scratched, and stabbed. So, Counter would be a non-factor, IMO.

[Shiron]

The same thing would happen to Mayuri as what happened to Corsola in that first video in that case, if he tries a physical attack, like a cut/stab. The best bet for Mayuri is to use ranged Kidou which would be disconnected from his body and dodge when Wobbuffet tries to reflect it back at him. That would be the most effective way for Mayuri to beat Wobbuffet and a surefire way for him to, actually.

[~Shin~]

Just to point out something, it's no limits fallacy to assume that Wobuffet can block every projectile or blunt force just because the description states that.

[WHITEBEARD]

@Shiron and Haterade: You have it mixed up. The move Wobbuffet uses is "Mirror coat" not magic coat. look at Shiron's link (Wobbuffet doesn't use it).

When Wobbuffet uses Mirror coat he doesn't take damage in the anime as I just showed you.

[Shiron]

@Shiron and Haterade: You have it mixed up. The move Wobbuffet uses is "Mirror coat" not magic coat. look at Shiron's link (Wobbuffet doesn't use it).

When Wobbuffet uses Mirror coat he doesn't take damage in the anime as I just showed you.
Exactly, and that's precisely my point. It can't use Magic Coat. Thus, it would be unable to reflect things such as the power of Mayuri's Bankai, just like I said in my first post in this thread...

As for the second part, it would help to know if we're supposed to use the anime Wobbuffet or the game one here. I'm using the game one, you're using the anime one... But which one are we supposed to be using? That's what I want to know, because it really makes a lot of difference here.

[Ion]

The same thing would happen to Mayuri as what happened to Corsola in that first video in that case, if he tries a physical attack, like a cut/stab. The best bet for Mayuri is to use ranged Kidou which would be disconnected from his body and dodge when Wobbuffet tries to reflect it back at him. That would be the most effective way for Mayuri to beat Wobbuffet and a surefire way for him to, actually.But how would that work?

It's blatantly implied in the description of Counter that the user still receives damage from the opponent's attack.

Corsola used Headbutt, which Wobbuffet took head on and gave it right back to her. In that case, Corsola's Headbutt wasn't powerful enough to KO Wobbuffet, so Wob was still able to give back the move 2x harder than Corsola did.

In Mayuri's case, he would be using his zanpakutou to cut him, where he would likely either stab or maim Wobbuffet.

It's hard to counter something when you're dead.

[WHITEBEARD]

Exactly, and that's precisely my point. It can't use Magic Coat. Thus, it would be unable to reflect things such as the power of Mayuri's Bankai, just like I said in my first post in this thread...

Sigh, I just showed you that mirror coat does not take damage in the anime! It blocks and reflects special base attacks such as gas etc.

[Shiron]

But how would that work?

It's blatantly implied in the description of Counter that the user still receives damage from the opponent's attack.

Corsola used Headbutt, which Wobbuffet took head on and gave it right back to her. In that case, Corsola's Headbutt wasn't powerful enough to KO Wobbuffet, so Wob was still able to give back the move 2x harder than Corsola did.

In Mayuri's case, he would be using his zanpakutou to cut him, where he would likely either stab or maim Wobbuffet.

It's hard to counter something when you're dead.
Ah, in that case, I agree. It doesn't visibly take damage in the anime, but it surely does.

EDIT: Sigh, I just showed you that mirror coat does not take damage in the anime! It blocks and reflects special base attacks such as gas etc.
You did what? Where was Wobbuffet's HP gague? I don't see it, so how do you know this? In the game, it would have to take the damage in order to double it and reflect it back. I don't see why this would be any different in the anime.

But yet again, even if that it true, I still don't know if we are supposed to be using the anime version of Wobbuffet. If we're using the game version, then none of that would apply. So, I would like clarifcation on which version of Wobbuffet we're using here.

[WHITEBEARD]

EDIT:
You did what? Where was Wobbuffet's HP gague? I don't see it, so how do you know this?
But yet again, even if that it true, I still don't know if we are supposed to be using the anime version of Wobbuffet. If we're using the game version, then none of that would apply. So, I would like clarifcation on which version of Wobbuffet we're using here.

Wobbuffet using the mirror coat and never getting KO'd shows how he takes no damage. The clip shows how he blasted Dragonite (one of the most powerful pokemon) and was fine.

Anime is being used.

[Shiron]

Where does it say it's the anime version that we're using? I don't see it.

Not to mention that CIS is on. And if it is the anime Wobbuffet, that means that it will be without Jesse, and thus quite likely to slip up and not do any of this "using Safeguard" stuff, if it would do anything at all.

[WHITEBEARD]

I beleive Phenomenol said so in the tournament registration thread that his are all anime based characters.

In character, Wobbuffet knows what moves to use pokemon know how to defend themsleves.

[earthshine]

I beleive Phenomenol said so in the tournament registration thread that his are all anime based characters.

In character, Wobbuffet knows what moves to use pokemon know how to defend themsleves.




and it lacks the common sense to use it's own power nearly all the time.



do you have any idea how many times it has been hurt or knocked around? I can't even recall a time in my memory where it just used it's powers of it's own choice, rather it just gets knocked around with the rest of team rocket all the time.


and also, you really have to put things in perspective here. could wobbofet use counter before mayuri could shunpo behind it and slice it in half? it is not instant or automatic, he needs to be aware the attack is coming to reflect it.

[EvilMoogle]

If Wobbuffet is half as unbeatable as he's been made out in the tournament so far I just have one question:

How did Mewtwo manage to beat him in the first movie? Wouldn't Wobbuffet just counter or mirror coat any attack Mew did?

[Shiron]

If Wobbuffet is half as unbeatable as he's been made out in the tournament so far I just have one question:

How did Mewtwo manage to beat him in the first movie? Wouldn't Wobbuffet just counter or mirror coat any attack Mew did?
Wobbuffet wasn't in the first movie. At least, I don't believe that Jesse had it at the time (the first movie should have taken place during the Inigo League saga. Jesse didn't get Wobbuffet until Johto. So, if I am remembering correctly here, then she shouldn't have had it at the time. Her party should have consisted of just Arbok and Lickitung at the time, I believe).

[Ion]

In character, Wobbuffet knows what moves to use pokemon know how to defend themsleves.Without Jesse's direction, Wobbuffet is unobservant at best and an idiot at worst.

I can't even count how many times I've seen it get pwnt... by moves you claim it should be able to counter.... coming from characters that aren't nearly as fast or as powerful as Mayuri.

[EvilMoogle]

Wobbuffet wasn't in the first movie. At least, I don't believe that Jesse had it at the time (the first movie should have taken place during the Inigo League saga. Jesse didn't get Wobbuffet until Johto. So, if I am remembering correctly here, then she shouldn't have had it at the time. Her party should have consisted of just Arbok and Lickitung at the time, I believe).

My mistake, I was thinking that Mewtwo had captured all the Pokemon, but that was just his "evil plan".

[Banhammer]

Team Haterade
Kirin (666Satan)
Gala (Bastard!!)
Kei Kurono (Gantz)
Wise Yuri (666Satan)
Kurotsuchi Mayuri (Bleach)

vs

Team Phenomenol
Wobbuffet (Pokemon)
Babidi (Dragonball Z)
Genkai (Yu Yu Hakusho Dark Tournament)
Psylocke (X-Men )
Orochimaru (Naruto)

Kirin vs Genkai

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Veeeeeeeeery close, but I'm not accepting "sp33dbl1tz!!11!", not against genkai! Prime genkai wins with Spirit wave!
Depowered genkay dies horribly. Good thing I'm using that one.


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Gala vs Babidi

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Babidi has alot in his arsenal, but I don't think he has enough juice to overwhelm Gala. He would likely underestimate him, try to step on him, then get his foot riped off along with his testies...
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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Yeah Kurono is strong and fast ann all that but he cannot defeat Lord Vold, I mean, Orochimaru!


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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Wise yuri is weaaaaaaak compared to psylocke. Her teke is that much stronger than anything he can dish out, and I'm betting really hard that she is imune to the Opieces. Mindrape, mindrape mindrape

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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vsWobbuffet

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This fight is pretty much fifty ffifty. Wether wobufett uses one reflection attack or the other, because if he reflects, then it's "Encore" and it's won, if not, he's dead. Don't even try to argue reaction speed, that argument aint flying with me, not against wobby!
Now I'm assuming this is a smart wobbufet, and will know what the attack will be once he sees her touching the sword. His chances just increased to 78% I'm voting him.
Ps: Anime wobbufet does not take damage, he totally reflected dragonite hiperbeam without getting a breeze on his wobbu-hair.

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Those are my votes, WICH KINDA SUCKS!
I cheering haterade for the victory

[Super Star]

and it lacks the common sense to use it's own power nearly all the time.

I can't even recall a time in my memory where it just used it's powers of it's own choice,

and also, you really have to put things in perspective here. could wobbofet use counter before mayuri could shunpo behind it and slice it in half? it is not instant or automatic, he needs to be aware the attack is coming to reflect it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2K_jOhMyp1g&mode=related&search=

Jesse didn't tell him anything and he had the common sense to use counter.

Go to 1:54
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3e6J4j9gR-E&mode=related&search=

Jesse wan't there to tell him anything.

Also, you have to keep this in perspective what makes you think an arrogant fool like mayuri would automatically use shunpo and try to kill him as fast as he can? He would try to analyze Wobbufetts body and think of what he would do to him later on the operating table and underestimate him and get beat.

[Banhammer]

and genkay siphons power, as long as she can grab a hold of it's frequencie, from what I understood.

[Super Star]

and genkay siphons power, as long as she can grab a hold of it's frequencie, from what I understood.

Genkai can also create a barrier that Siphons power as well.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=10149392&postcount=20

[Shiron]

Okay... Wobbuffet would still get speedblitzed by Mayuri though. It would get hit before it knew what had happened, menaing that it wouldn't be able to use Counter/Mirror Coat before it got hit.

[Super Star]

Okay... Wobbuffet would still get speedblitzed by Mayuri though. It would get hit before it knew what had happened, menaing that it wouldn't be able to use Counter/Mirror Coat before it got hit.

Wobbuffet counter's beams, lightning, you can't just say he will get speedblitzed.

[~Shin~]

Those "beams, lightning" don't move anywhere near relativistic speeds if that's what you're implying.

[Shiron]

Wobbuffet counter's beams, lightning, you can't just say he will get speedblitzed.
Just as ~Shin~ said. None of the attacks it's reflected moved at the speeds that Mayuri would be. Mayuri would cut it in half before it knew what happened.

[Zack_Strife]

In character Mayuri wouldn't be dicking around. He tried to kill Ishida right off the bat, he only started toying with him because he has a history with the Quincy and he found Ishida's abilities fascinating given his age.

[Ion]

Also, you have to keep this in perspective what makes you think an arrogant fool like mayuri would automatically use shunpo and try to kill him as fast as he can? He would try to analyze Wobbufetts body and think of what he would do to him later on the operating table and underestimate him and get beat.But that's only if he's interested in what Wobbuffet would have to offer. I could easily see him be disgusted and/or disinterested by Wobbuffet's idiocy and decide to kill it right there.

Also, you are forgetting how sick and twisted Mayuri actually is. Even if he wanted to experiment on it, his "experiment" on Wobbuffet might just be how well the Pokeman can heal from having a zanpakutou in it's head.

Lastly, just because CIS is on, it doesn't mean that "take him to the lab" is even an option.

This is a battle, not a manga chapter.

[Super Star]

Those "beams, lightning" don't move anywhere near relativistic speeds if that's what you're implying.

Show me where that is stated? Give me the distance and time of each attack? What is pokemon's lightning made out of?

Lastly, just because CIS is on, it doesn't mean that "take him to the lab" is even an option.

This is a battle, not a manga chapter.

Care to take your own advice? Wobbuffet knows when he is in a battle, in character. I just showed you he knows how to use his moves.

[Keollyn]

Kirin vs Genkai

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Gala vs Babidi

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Having a barrier, teleportation, and mind control that only takes over the minds of the one filled with hatred (if he could do it to anyone, he'd easily have just taken over Goku and crew) is not enough reason for Babidi winning this. Also, his barrier isn't be-all, end-all. Everyone who has tried to attack him never used actual speed (they were hit with PIS hard). Gara would simply powerup his best, and send it flying. Killing him like Piccolo did with a simple chop.

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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Kurotsuchi Mayuri vs Wobbuffet

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[Shiron]

Show me where that is stated? Give me the distance and time of each attack?
Common sense. The movement of things such as Water Gun and Hyper Beam can easily be seen and tracked. Mayuri's movement, however, can't be seen when he uses Shunpo. It's quite obvious that there is a significant difference in speed there.

[~Shin~]

Show me where that is stated? Give me the distance and time of each attack? What is pokemon's lightning made out of?

Well because when authors usually try to depict lightning or "beams" they completely disregard their original properties and make them so that they work around the properties of battle rather than the effect of such attacks on the environment.

In fact you can show me where exactly Wobbufet blocks such attacks and I'll show you why it's wrong.

[Super Star]

Well because when authors usually try to depict lightning or "beams" they completely disregard their original properties and make them so that they work around the properties of battle rather than the effect of such attacks on the environment.

In fact you can show me where exactly Wobbufet blocks such attacks and I'll show you why it's wrong.

You didn't answer my questions. I can show you where he blocks a BEAM (stated)!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBVq_LZYMj8&mode=related&search=

[~Shin~]

You didn't answer my questions. I can show you where he blocks a BEAM (stated)!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBVq_LZYMj8&mode=related&search=

The fact that Jesse, the other girl, and Wobbufet had time to talk during the attack shows that it's going nowhere near the speed of light.

And I already answered your question.

[Banhammer]

I tend not take manga sp33d very serious, ever since I saw Mr Satan sp33dbl1tz1ng!!11! a crook. Everything is mega fast in there, so, probably nothing is.
Therefore, I do not grant victory due to speeds, except some specific cases(where the difrence isn't normal to speed of thought, or when one of the charaters skills is really super speed, fe, quicksilver)

[Super Star]

The fact that Jesse, the other girl, and Wobbufet had time to talk during the attack shows that it's going nowhere near the speed of light.

And I already answered your question.

What are you talking about? The blast was fired and NOONE was talking.

Look again.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SBVq_LZYMj8&mode=related&search=

[~Shin~]

What are you talking about? The blast was fired and NOONE was talking.

You didn

Do you not see the fact that she actually had time to switch herself with Wobbufet when the attack was about to be launched? You do understand that she would have to be going at around 300 million meters per second if that attack was at the speed of light right?

[Banhammer]

She saw the attack coming by reading dragonite. Jesse has been hit by enough hiperbeams and solar beams, and all that jazz enough times to tell when she's about to get hit with one

[Super Star]

Do you not see the fact that she actually had time to switch herself with Wobbufet when the attack was about to be launched? You do understand that she would have to be going at around 300 million meters per second if that attack was at the speed of light right?

She switched with Wobbufet when the beam was CHARGING, it did not come out of Dragonite's mouth! Noone was talking when the blast was fired.

[~Shin~]

You do understand that the scene is going on simultaneously right?

Fine even if you don't believe that, if Dragonite had been hit by the force of a beam that's going at 300 million meters per second it would have ended up in the moon.

[Ion]

Care to take your own advice? Wobbuffet knows when he is in a battle, in character. I just showed you he knows how to use his moves....which would help him against Mayuri.... how?

[Banhammer]

has that ever hapened to someone getting hit by cyke? cause these attacks are pretty similar

[Super Star]

You do understand that the scene is going on simultaneously right?

Fine even if you don't believe that, if Dragonite had been hit by the force of a beam that's going at 300 million meters per second it would have ended up in the moon.

No, the blast doesn't start until it is released.

Prove to me that the beam stopped before reaching the moon?

[~Shin~]

No, the blast doesn't start until it is released.

Prove to me that the beam stopped before reaching the moon?

The blast was at it's mouth when the scene switched over to Team Rocket.

Burden of Proof fallacy. It's on you to prove that it did reach the moon.

[Super Star]

The blast was at it's mouth when the scene switched over to Team Rocket.

Burden of Proof fallacy. It's on you to prove that it did reach the moon.

Yeah, and when the blast was RELEASED noone was talking like you suggested.

No, I asked you to give me the distance of the beam and you failed to do that. I asked you to prove a positive not a negative.

[Banhammer]

Yeah, and when the blast was RELEASED noone was talking like you suggested.

No, I asked you to give me the distance of the beam and you failed to do that. I asked you to prove a positive not a negative.

I think it's on you, but hey, don't take my word for it

I think dragonite did not get blasted because he was pretty high leveled

[~Shin~]

Yeah, and when the blast was RELEASED noone was talking like you suggested.

No, I asked you to give me the distance of the beam and you failed to do that. I asked you to prove a positive not a negative.

The blast was launching at the time they switched themselves. So I don't see your point.

What distance? You have to prove to me that it's capable of going from point A to point B at 300 million meters per second for it to be quantified as light speed.

[earthshine]

I fail to see how wob could counter an attack he could not even see coming.



mayuri shunpos behind wob and slices him in half. counter is not some auto-defense that comes on when he is hit, it is a move that needs to be activated before the attack hits.


wob barely ever even uses his powers even when he sees attacks coming without jesse telling him to do it. you telling me he will be able to react to something like that?

[Super Star]

The blast was launching at the time they switched themselves. So I don't see your point.

What distance? You have to prove to me that it's capable of going from point A to point B at 300 million meters per second for it to be quantified as light speed.

The blast was NOT launching it was CHARGING look at it again.

Sigh, It was off panel, anything could have happened. the Beam could have hit an airplane before making it to the moon. What is the distance between pokemon's earth and their moon? Since you beleive it should make it their in 300 million meters per second?

@earthshine: Wobb blocks beams, lightning, electricity you can't say he is going to get cut instantly.

[earthshine]

@earthshine: Wobb blocks beams, lightning, electricity you can't say he is going to get cut instantly


yes, I can.


it is not automatic, it needs to be activated BEFORE he gets hit. if mayuri attaks before wob can use a move, he will be helpless.

[Super Star]

Refer to the clips please, Wobbufet blocked Dragonite's beam automatically.

[~Shin~]

The blast was NOT launching it was CHARGING look at it again.

Sigh, It was off panel, anything could have happened. the Beam could have hit an airplane before making it to the moon. What is the distance between pokemon's earth and their moon? Since you beleive it should make it their in 300 million meters per second?

It was happening simultaneously. I don't see what more I need to say. They first showed Dragonite attacking and showed what Team Rocket did to counter that.

Too bad assumptions have little to no value in a debate.

Light can go from Earth to moon 1-2 seconds. So if you can prove that exact number, I'll believe the fact that it can move at the speed of light.

[Super Star]

It was happening simultaneously. I don't see what more I need to say. They first showed Dragonite attacking and showed what Team Rocket did to counter that.

Too bad assumptions have little to no value in a debate.

Light can go from Earth to moon 1-2 seconds. So if you can prove that exact number, I'll believe the fact that it can move at the speed of light.

No it was not happening at the same time. The attacked doesn't even get released until Wobbuffet is on the front line.

You assumed that the beams aren't reletivistic speeds!!

Once again you ignored my questions. What is the distance between pokemon's earth and the moon?

[earthshine]

Refer to the clips please, Wobbufet blocked Dragonite's beam automatically.



no, jesse pulled it in front and told it to do something, then it did it.


if he had an auto defense, wbo would NEVER be hurt by anything, which is not the case, as we see him get hurt all the time.


try again

[Super Star]

I showed you a clip where he reflected picachu's attack WITHOUT anyone telling him anything.

[Ion]

I showed you a clip where he reflected picachu's attack WITHOUT anyone telling him anything.But he still had to activate the move.

[Banhammer]

yes but with reflexes faster than lightning

[earthshine]

yes but with reflexes faster than lightning



which does not change the fact that it had to be activated, it is not automatic.


meaning, if wob did not see the attack coming, he would be killed just the same.

[King Dead]

Wobbuffet is blessed by Heaven. He can never die.

[Ion]

yes but with reflexes faster than lightningPikachu's electric attacks don't move anywhere near the speed of lightning, or else his attacks would strike his opponents within the same second (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99096.htm) he charged them.

Since there's always a delay of at least a couple of seconds... guess what?

[Super Star]

which does not change the fact that it had to be activated, it is not automatic.


meaning, if wob did not see the attack coming, he would be killed just the same.

Beam > Lightning > mayuri!

Wobbufett had the reflexes to counter, period.

[Banhammer]

Pikachu's electric attacks don't move anywhere near the speed of lightning, or else his attacks would strike his opponents within the same second (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99096.htm) he charged them.

Since there's always a delay of at least a couple of seconds... guess what?

Hey, I would like you to win and all, but what's fair, is fair.
If japanese exagerations like "sp33dbl1tz!!11!", and "wow, they are too fast for my eyes" are accepted, then exagerations wobbufests reaction speed has to be taken in account too.

[earthshine]

Beam > mayuri!

Wobbufett had the reflexes to counter, period.



beam>mayuri is assumption.


you have yet to provide any proof whatsoever that the beam is all that fast, and in fact it has been shown in other parts of the series it is not.


hyperbeam HAS been dodged, quite a few times. either alot of pokemon are FTL, or it is not as fast as you think it is

[King Dead]

Wobbuffet uses Safeguard to prevent status changes (poison and the like)

Wobbuffet wins :suzuhiko

[Ion]

@King Dead: A sword in the skull is not a status effect.

Hey, I would like you to win and all, but what's fair, is fair.I don't care about winning.

I care about accuracy.
If japanese exagerations like "sp33dbl1tz!!11!", and "wow, they are too fast for my eyes" are accepted, then exagerations wobbufests reaction speed has to be taken in account too.Thing is, in the manga, it's clear that shunpo is fast enough to make the user escape the perceptions of their opponent. There is no exaggeration.

Whereas, the only people that seem to be exaggerating Wobbuffet's reaction speed are in this thread.

[Banhammer]

still, I can't really grope the idea of wobufet dying because of speed difrences in one hit. Maybe it just isn't reasonable from me... But I haven't heard that presuasive thing that makes me change my vote. srry.

[MIHAWK]

Kirin vs Genkai

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She can absorb her opponents power and use it against them.


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Gala vs Babidi

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Babidi has a barrier, mind control, teleportation


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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Oro takes this,edo tensei alone



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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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Psylocke can mind blast.


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Mayuri has to cut Wobbuffet in order to paralayze him or poison him. Wobbuffet can deflect ANY attack with Mirror coat and use encore to make Mayuri use the same exact attack over and over

[Shiron]

Mayuri has to cut Wobbuffet in order to paralayze him or poison him. Wobbuffet can deflect ANY attack with Mirror coat and use encore to make Mayuri use the same exact attack over and over
Except for how Counter and Mirror Coat don't activate themselves; Wobbuffet itself has to activate them. And it will be cut in half before it can do so. Mayuri is just too fast for Wobbuffet.

[Keollyn]

Just to inform people... I do take comments into consideration. If a vote is made and the comment has unjustified and unsupported claims (I.E. Bullshittery), the vote will not count. Just a fair warning.

[Banhammer]

Wobbufet is a tank, he could take a slash, I think, and then combine encore with mirror or counter to win the battle. Paralisis is brushed off by safe guard.

[~Shin~]

Dynamite Rave, I'm not in the mood to go around in circles. Unless you can show me irrefutable proof that "beams" in pokemon go near c, your entire argument is pointless.


@Keollyn, I really hope you don't allow comments like this

Babidi has a barrier, mind control, teleportation

[Ion]

Kirin vs Genkai

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She can absorb her opponents power and use it against them.No one has yet to give me sufficient evidence that Genkai would be able to deal with Kirin's speed.

Gala vs Babidi

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Babidi has a barrier, mind control, teleportationMind control that needs the target to be evil and/or willing, the teleportation would only delay the inevitable, and his barrier can be bypassed with a fast enough speed blitz before the barrier comes up.

Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Oro takes this,edo tensei aloneSo.... who would he be using for sacrifices?

No where in the rules does it state that Oro could have bodies already prepped for him.

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Mayuri has to cut Wobbuffet in order to paralayze him or poison him. Wobbuffet can deflect ANY attack with Mirror coat and use encore to make Mayuri use the same exact attack over and overWobbuffet cannot deflect any attack, but only special attacks. Physical attacks can only be thrown back with Counter, but Wobbuffet still gets damaged from the opponent's move before he's able to counter.

I've already stated many times that Counter would be hard pressed to deal with a sword wielded by someone as ruthless as Mayuri.

[WHITEBEARD]

CIS on (In Character)

@Keollyn, I really hope you don't allow comments like this

Teleportation = Cant touch this.

Barrier= B's took on blows from M. Vegeta & Buu.

Mind control= Gala is a bastard char......they all have some type of evil in there hearts.

His azz is Babi's.

[~Shin~]

No, Teleportion = Can't touch this as long as you can react to Gala and have time to execute the teleportation. Which from what I hear Babadi can't do.

Your mind control comment is just ridiculous and nothing but association fallacy.

[Ion]

Teleportation = Cant touch this.That works both ways.

Barrier= B's took on blows from M. Vegeta & Buu.How does Babidi plan to attack him? He'll eventually have to do something, since this is a battle. He can't just hide behind a barrier all day.

Also, if Gala blitzes before the barrier comes up, bye bye Babidi...

Mind control= Gala is a bastard char......they all have some type of evil in there hearts.Association fallacy.

Actually, Gala is one of the more laid back and honorable characters in the series.

[WHITEBEARD]

No Teleportion = Can't touch this as long as you can react to Gala and have time to execute the teleportation. Which from what I hear Babadi can't do.

Babidi, reacts to DB chars.......

Your mind control comment is just ridiculous and nothing but association fallacy.

Gala kills right?

He was bout to mess with DS's girl when he kidnap her right?

[WHITEBEARD]

That works both ways.

................hes not geting threw Babids shields, them shilds took DB chars attacks which are stronger then anything that is permitted in this fight..

How does Babidi plan to attack him? He'll eventually have to do something, since this is a battle. He can't just hide behind a barrier all day.

Mind control.

Also, if Gala blitzes before the barrier comes up, bye bye Babidi...

Faster then thought?

Association fallacy.

Actually, Gala is one of the more laid back and honorable characters in the series.

How Gala honorable, when he was bout to mess with DS's girl honorable?

[Ion]

Gala kills right?Many characters kill others, does that make them evil?

He was bout to mess with DS's girl when he kidnap her right?That's perversion, not hatred.

btw, he was just killing time until DS got there.

[Keollyn]

Gara, in his many chances, could have done so much wrong to a naked Yoko. If it wasn't for him being honorable, you can guess what a healthy adult male would have done in that situation.

[WHITEBEARD]

That's perversion, not hatred.

btw, he was just killing time until DS got there.

Thats a sin, B is going to sense that & use it.

I thought Gala was going to rape the girl, if DS was not there in time? I don't rember.

Expect Gala to have a M on his head.

& wasn't Gala & DS trying to take over the world at some point or somthing before DS got sealed?

I think B is going to like that.:nod

[Ion]

Thats a sin, B is going to sense that & use it.Perversion is a natural mental function use to help promote procreation.

I thought he was going to rape the girl, I don't rember.

Expect Gala to have a M on his head.

& wasn't Gala & DS trying to take over the world at some point or somthing before DS got sealed?

I think B is going to like that.:nodGala joked about raping her to DS, just to piss him off.

All Gala did was use a slug-like organism to dissolve her clothes, so he could get a peek. If he wanted to rape her, he had many opportunities.

Like I said before, he was basically just killing time.

[atom]

Perversion is a natural mental function use to help promote procreation.

Gala joked about raping her to DS, just to piss him off.

All Gala did was use a slug-like organism to dissolve her clothes, so he could get a peek. If he wanted to rape her, he had many opportunities.

Like I said before, he was basically just killing time.
I'm interested. Scans kthxbi

[Keollyn]

I wonder if one remembers that victory only comes from knock out or fatality...

[WHITEBEARD]

I wonder if one remembers that victory only comes from knock out or fatality...

Babidi will tell Gala to get him some fries & a cold milk shake & tell Gala to bash his head into the ground till he dies.



Perversion is a natural mental function use to help promote procreation.

.........Lol lusting & kidnaping & chaining up DS's girl & sicking a monster on her to eat her cloths sounds more like some kinda of evil thoughts instead of promote procreation.

Gala joked about raping her to DS, just to piss him off. All Gala did was use a slug-like organism to dissolve her clothes, so he could get a peek. If he wanted to rape her, he had many opportunities.


Like I said before, he was basically just killing time.

What sick & evil way to kill time.

Now what bout......this.

& wasn't Gala & DS trying to take over the world at some point or somthing before DS got sealed?

I think B is going to like that.

[Ion]

The Riders of Havoc were mislead by Abigail that what they were doing was "cleansing" the Earth, where they could start fresh with their own utopia, with no wars or discrimination.

That is all.

They even said that they wouldn't attack anyone that didn't resist.

But really, twisted logic =/= evil.

Gala is truly honorable, going so far as to attempt to sacrifice his own life to save DS and Ney from Giran Ira.








Anyway, all this is irrelevant, since Gala would be the likely winner, since with all of Babidi's teleportation and barriers, he has shown no capacity for actual combat. He can't even take over his mind(nor would taking over Gala mean victory, anyway).

He would eventually run out of energy to teleport and create barriers, then he would be fresh meat for Gala.

[WHITEBEARD]

The Riders of Havoc were mislead by Abigail that what they were doing was "cleansing" the Earth, where they could start fresh with their own utopia, with no wars or discrimination.

That is all.

They even said that they wouldn't attack anyone that didn't resist.




So they wanted to take over the world.......& they didn't kill anyone who didn't resist?

Just like in bank robberies.

I also would like some scans proving how Gala is PURE HEART.


But really, twisted logic =/= evil.

Gala is truly honorable, going so far as to attempt to sacrifice his own life to save DS and Ney from Giran Ira.

Didn't the Riders of Havoc try to revive that monster Anthrax?

Anyway, all this is irrelevant, since Gala would be the likely winner, since with all of Babidi's teleportation and barriers, he has shown no capacity for actual combat. He can't even take over his mind(nor would taking over Gala mean victory, anyway).

He would eventually run out of energy to teleport and create barriers, then he would be fresh meat for Gala.

Mind control =

Babidi will tell Gala to get him some fries & a cold milk shake & tell Gala to bash his head into the ground till he dies.

[MIDNIGHT TERROR]

Kinn vs Genkai


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Genkai just seems the more powerful being able to take the enemys power or physical strength, you then have all the techniques to deal with too

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Babidi's got this in the bag thanks to three facts 1. His barrier took DBZ attacks (which is above anything gala has) 2. He's been reacting to DBZ characters 3. His ability to control minds

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Orochimaru is just too strong, he's got loads of jutsu's and that body swap technique is a threat to anyone.

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For the simple fact that she can mind blast

kurotsuchi vs wobbuffet

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This thing can take an attack and hand it back 2x as powerful, I can't see it losing

[Ion]

So they wanted to take over the world.......& they didn't kill anyone who didn't resist?

Just like in bank robberies.But people mostly rob banks for selfish reasons.

They thought they were doing it to "save" mankind.

I also would like some scans proving how Gala is PURE HEART.How the hell am I supposed to provide scans of that?

Didn't the Riders of Havoc try to revive that monster Anthrax?Once again, they were misled by Abigail. They were under the impression that Anthrax could be controlled.

[Aldric]

Kirin vs Genkai

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Gala wins. No, Gala isn't evil. If he was evil he'd never have been resurrected by the Adam of Light, the Savior send by God after the King Crimson Glory events. Babidi's mind control wouldn't work, and since it's basically the only way he has to hurt Gala then Babidi is royally screwed. If we're using ability overlap I'm not even sure Babidi's barrier would protect him against the Ninja Master's assaults seeing how Gala's Murasame sword can break through DS' spell bound. Gala takes this.


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[WHITEBEARD]

But people mostly rob banks for selfish reasons.

They thought they were doing it to "save" mankind.


How the hell am I supposed to provide scans of that?

By posting the scans that back up what your saying.
I wanna see the convo Gala had with that one girl, that he kidnaped & sick a monster on to eat her cloths just to pass the time. Cuz I have not read that in some time but i do rember that gala was hinting to rape her azz if DS didn't show up in time.

Once again, they were misled by Abigail. They were under the impression that Anthrax could be controll

Sure, Babidi shields are up & Gala is not getting threw them.

No prue heart, he's going to have a M on his head.

[Ion]

There's a naked Yoko sitting there prime for rape...http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5596/bastard02034dm8.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3047/bastard02035wu8.jpg...then there's Gala not giving a fuck.

Like I was saying, Gala was just killing time until DS showed up. He was just getting some eye candy while he was at it.

Like Aldric stated in the post above your's... Gala is not evil in any way, shape, or form.

[WHITEBEARD]

There's a naked Yoko sitting there prime for rape...http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5596/bastard02034dm8.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3047/bastard02035wu8.jpg...then there's Gala not giving a fuck.

Like I was saying, Gala was just killing time until DS showed up. He was just getting some eye candy while he was at it.

Like Aldric stated in the post above your's... Gala is not evil in any way, shape, or form.

No pure heart, he is going to have an M on his head.

[Aldric]

Vegeta has done far worst shit than Gala and Babidi wasn't even able to completely control him. And that's the guy who's supposed to mind rape Gala? Yeah. How about no.

[WHITEBEARD]

Vegeta has done far worst shit than Gala and Babidi wasn't even able to completely control him. And that's the guy who's supposed to mind rape Gala? Yeah. How about no.

Gala is not Vegeta.......how bout yes.

No pure heart, gala will be a real Majin.

[Art of Run]

Gala is not Vegeta.......how bout yes.

No pure heart, gala will be a real Majin.

And? Vegeta is still more evil than Gala. No.

Sorry. Saw this and laughed. Had to post.

[Ion]

WHITEBEARD, you're acting like Babidi's mind control is absolute.

It obviously has flaws if Vegeta, who is easily more dark-hearted than Gala, can resist it.

[WHITEBEARD]

And? Vegeta is still more evil than Gala. No.

Sorry. Saw this and laughed. Had to post.

The thing is, Gala doesnt have a pure heart, & Gala is no where near Vegeta's strength.

[Banhammer]

Babidi has alot of tricks he could use, but he aint got the juice behind him to overwhelm gala

[mystictrunks]

It didn't even seem like babidi had complete control over Dabura, or Yam and Spokovich for that matter. They all got pissed at him at one point or another and disobeyed his orders.

His other minions seemed to be complete and totally chumps who were only around to get their caps peeled back by Goku and Vegeta.

So I doubt his mind control will be able to fuck with Gala.

[Crimson King]

Kirin vs Genkai

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Gala vs Babidi

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Kei Kurono vs Orochimaru

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Wise Yuri vs Psylocke

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[Yak]

The thing is, Gala doesnt have a pure heart, & Gala is no where near Vegeta's strength.

What do you know about Gala's mind strength?

[WHITEBEARD]

What do you know about Gala's mind strength?

Nothing compared to Vegeta's mind strength.

Hell, Babidi will drop/teleport his space ship on Gala's head. or teleport his azz to space & watch him die slow. Babidi has already been cut in 2 by Piccolo, he did not die.

[Yak]

Nothing compared to Vegeta's mind strength.

Hell, Babidi will drop/teleport his space ship on Gala's head. or teleport his azz to space & watch him die slow. Babidi has already been cut in 2 by Piccolo, he did not die.

Shall I quote myself, AGAIN?

WHAT do you know about Gala's mind strength? Nothing. Because you know shit about Bastard!!. Why are you even allowed to comment on this?

[WHITEBEARD]

Shall I quote myself, AGAIN?

WHAT do you know about Gala's mind strength? Nothing. Because you know shit about Bastard!!. Why are you even allowed to comment on this?

LOL

Troll, You contribute nothing to this thread.

Leave.

[Aldric]

No, but seriously, what do you know about Bastard!! ? First you tried to argue Gala was evil only to get your face rubbed in your own shit by people who actually read the manga. Then you pathetically backpedalled, and now the extent of your argument is that Babidi will teleport Gala in space?

You arguing for the DBZ side is only a fanboyish knee jerk reaction, and you calling someone else a troll is reaching a whole new level of irony.

[WHITEBEARD]

No, but seriously, what do you know about Bastard!! ? First you tried to argue Gala was evil only to get your face rubbed in your own shit by people who actually read the manga. Then you pathetically backpedalled, and now the extent of your argument is that Babidi will teleport Gala in space?

You arguing for the DBZ side is only a fanboyish knee jerk reaction, and you calling someone else a troll is reaching a whole new level of irony.

Prove to me Gala heart is pure like Goku.

I didn't "backpedalled" I was just leting you guys know Babidi will teleport Gala azz into space & watch him die slow, or drop/teleport his space ship on Gala's head.

Badidi wins. (Thats my argument there is no "backpedalled")

& Aldric please stop trying to label me.

[Aldric]

Prove to me Gala heart is pure like Goku.

Gala isn't a Gary Stue like Goku, he has faults but he isn't evil. And anyway it's a moot point as we've already told you Babidi didn't have perfect control over his minions, rendering your "he'll tell Gala to smash his head on the ground till he dies" argument null and void.

I didn't "backpedalled" I was just leting you guys know Babidi will teleport Gala azz into space & watch him die slow, or drop/teleport his space ship on Gala's head.

Scans of Babidi teleporting anybody into space.

Oh and btw, Gala brushed off getting crushed by a huge fortress carved into a mountain that collapsed on him.

Badidi wins. (Thats my argument there is no "backpedalled")

This is not an argument, this is merely an opinion that you miserably failed to back up convincingly.

& Aldric please stop trying to label me.

You just called Yak a troll. You, WHITEBEARD, called someone else a troll. That's like Rild mocking another guy for having a persecution complex.

[Ion]

Prove to me Gala heart is pure like Goku.Prove to me that Babidi had enough control over his minions to the point where he could tell them to smash their head on the ground multiple times.

[WHITEBEARD]

Gala isn't a Gary Stue like Goku, he has faults but he isn't evil. And anyway it's a moot point as we've already told you Babidi didn't have perfect control over his minions, rendering your "he'll tell Gala to smash his head on the ground till he dies" argument null and void.

LOL, Gala is fucked.

Again Gala is not Vegeta, Babidi had full control over Spopovitch, Yamu, Pui Pui, Yakon & Dabura.

Babidi told them what to do & they did it.



Scans of Babidi teleporting anybody into space.

Babidi teleports Pui Pui and Vegeta, to another planet, then he telepots Goku & friends to Yakon's planet. space is not that far.:sleepy

Oh and btw, Gala brushed off getting crushed by a huge fortress carved into a mountain that collapsed on him.

:amuse Can he brush it off if the ship is smashed on his head over & over?



This is not an argument, this is merely an opinion that you miserably failed to back up convincely.

LOL, teleport = win.

You just called Yak a troll. You, WHITEBEARD, called someone else a troll. That's like Rild telling another guy he's emotionally stunted.

LOL, I love how you try so hard to label me.

[Banhammer]

I see Goku's wife, and the amount of kids he has, and wonder on how pure is he by now....

[MIDNIGHT TERROR]

Again Gala is not Vegeta, Babidi had full control over Spopovitch, Yamu, Pui Pui, Yakon & Dabura.

Babidi told them what to do & they did it.

I don't see what people arguing about, this is completely true

Babidi teleports Pui Pui and Vegeta, to another planet, then he telepots Goku & friends to Yakon's planet.

This also happened, so I don't see how anyone can argue babidi's teleporting abilities.

[Keollyn]

This was perhaps one of the hardest match to come to a conclusion. The prime example of commentary =/= vote is apparent here. For this reason, what would have been a win for one, has actually became a loss for them.

Then, adding the fact, that a certain someone is voting more than once...

Anyway, the winner of this match is Haterade with 13 votes to Phenomenol's 12.