View Full Version : Sasori vs Old Sarutobi
Sōsuke Aizen
08-19-2007, 04:04 PM
fight take place where sasori fought sakura and chiyo, no ones bloodlusted, and ANYTHING GOES IN THIS FIGHT!!! besides...death god lol. so who takes this
Way-Man
08-19-2007, 06:19 PM
I put my money on Sarutobi
10InchPianist
08-19-2007, 08:39 PM
No ones bloodlusted? Whatever. Sarutobi wins
Raiden
08-19-2007, 10:03 PM
Sarutobi would kill Sasori. He defeated beings that had the ability of the first and second Hokages. Though Sasori defeated and killed Kazekages (there's a difference between beating someone and murdering them), they were not on the same level as the first and second Hokages.
TreeofSephri
08-19-2007, 10:06 PM
Everyone one is saying that Sarutobi would beat Sasori but how? Especially, when he does not know Sasori's weakspot and has to fight flawlessly against an assload of puppets. Sarutobi would lose horribly. How would he get close to Hiruko with traps springing up everywhere. How would he dodge Satetsu without getting hit once. How will he know that he killed Sasori when Sasori can simply shift his consciousness over to another one of his puppets?
Vance
08-19-2007, 10:09 PM
I was waiting for someone to make sense.
Sarutobi has horrible stamina, and in order to keep up with and beat Sasori, you need almost flawless stamina.
~ Son of SPARDA ~
08-19-2007, 10:13 PM
Although you DO raise some near-inarguably valid points, TreeofSephri, I'm still betting on Sarutobi for this battle mainly because the guy was powerful and skilled enough to be considered by most as a god in his prime...
Sarutobi dominates Sasori....
...for two minutes, then he either gets sloppy enough to get scratched or simply collapses from chakra exhaustion.
That, and Sarutobi doesn't know about the poison, so evasion won't be nearly as high on his list of priorities as it should be.
Sōsuke Aizen
08-19-2007, 11:15 PM
I think over all sasori would probably take this fight, chiyo is arguably almost sarutobi level and sasori was pretty much owning her and sakura, not to mention he let himself die
Sarutobi loses. Eventually he would get scratched.
Sōsuke Aizen
08-19-2007, 11:33 PM
Sarutobi loses. Eventually he would get scratched.
yeah, he is to old but if this was prime than it would be different
arednad
08-19-2007, 11:43 PM
Sasori would win. Old Sarutobi could not beat Orochimaru, whilst Sasori was confident in killing Orochimaru. Orochimaru also seemed to think that he could not take Sasori so he wanted to anbush him with the help of an elite jounin. Plus Old Sarutobi is not as fast as he once was and is bound to be scratched and die of the poisoning.
Vance
08-19-2007, 11:44 PM
Sasori was confident in killing Orochimaru.
Sai was confident he could take Sasuke. ;)
Sōsuke Aizen
08-19-2007, 11:47 PM
Sai was confident he could take Sasuke. ;)
very good point, personally I think orochimaru would beat sasori solo
Sai was confident he could take Sasuke. ;)
FoD Sasuke was confident he could take Kabuto and Orochimaru. ;)
very good point, personally I think orochimaru would beat sasori solo
I agree with that guy.
Vance
08-19-2007, 11:48 PM
Aaaaaand edyh ruins it...:notrust
All of the cool kids were doing it...
..but then again, that's what I'm here for. ;D
Vance
08-19-2007, 11:59 PM
Immediate Update: All the cool kids are making Vance a FC.
arednad
08-20-2007, 12:08 AM
Sai knew nothing about Sasuke, where as Sasori had worked with Orochimaru for a while at least and had an idea about his skill level.
Sai knew nothing about Sasuke, where as Sasori had worked with Orochimaru for a while at least and had an idea about his skill level.
Orochimaru knew Sasori too, and he didn't show up at that bridge to make friends.
Oro was totally confident that he could have killed Sasori.
arednad
08-20-2007, 12:23 AM
Orochimaru knew Sasori too, and he didn't show up at that bridge to make friends.
Oro was totally confident that he could have killed Sasori.
Orochimaru showed up at the bridge fully prepared for a fight knowing that Sasori was not. He also had Kabuto an elite jounin with him and planned to double team Sasori. That's not exactly the actions of a man bursting with confidence.
Orochimaru showed up at the bridge fully prepared for a fight knowing that Sasori was not. He also had Kabuto an elite jounin with him and planned to double team Sasori. That's not exactly the actions of a man bursting with confidence.
Sasori doesn't "prepare" for fights. Everything he fights with he carries inside Hiruko at all times. Oro obviously didn't do much preparation either, considering that had he been the least bit unsure of his chances, he would have prepped himself an Edo Tensei or two -- which of course, would solo the fight for him.
What use was Kabuto going to be if they double teamed him anyway? His fighting style isn't exactly ideal for puppet busting.
arednad
08-20-2007, 12:39 AM
Sasori doesn't "prepare" for fights. Everything he fights with he carries inside Hiruko at all times. Oro obviously didn't do much preparation either, considering that had he been the least bit unsure of his chances, he would have prepped himself an Edo Tensei or two -- which of course, would solo the fight for him.
What use was Kabuto going to be if they double teamed him anyway? His fighting style isn't exactly ideal for puppet busting.
Sasori obviously does prepare for fights. He actually warned Deidara about coming unprepared. Also his puppets have to be kept in good condition. Lets say that Sasori had just turned up after winning the fight against Chiyo (which he could have won) then a number of his puppets may have been destroyed.
We don't know what preparation that orochimaru did, but he obviously did some. With the help of Kabuto he may even have developed an antidote. What we do know is that kabuto did have a few dead bodies with him so he may indeed have been preparing for Edo Tensie.
Lastly Kabuto went toe to toe with Tsunade and was said to be around Kakashi level (the second best jounin in Konoha). Kabuto is a very, very strong ninja and would be a great deal of help. Look at the help a weaker Sakura was for for Chiyo. Looking at the evidence logically Sasori definitely seems like the stronger ninja.
Cel3stial
08-20-2007, 12:41 AM
Sarutobi....
Sasori obviously does prepare for fights. He actually warned Deidara about coming unprepared. Also his puppets have to be kept in good condition. Lets say that Sasori had just turned up after winning the fight against Chiyo (which he could have won) then a number of his puppets may have been destroyed.
Had he defeated Chiyo, you really don't think Sasori wouldn't have immediately started repairing the smashed puppets? He would have had 10 days to do so, and he would have wanted to remain vulnerable for as short a period time as possible.
Even then, Sasori lost less than 1/3 of his puppets during that fight.
We don't know what preparation that orochimaru did, but he obviously did some. With the help of Kabuto he may even have developed an antidote. What we do know is that kabuto did have a few dead bodies with him so he may indeed have been preparing for Edo Tensie.
Why is it obvious that he was prepared?
Kabuto had been out of contact with Sasori for years. There's no way he would have had an antidote, as the odds of Sasori's poison having stayed the same over such a long period of time are virtually nil. There is also nothing to suggest that Kabuto ever had a sample of Sasori's poison to begin with. Orochimaru's body probably doesn't even need an antidote anyway.
Kabuto always carries bodies with him. That had nothign to do with prep.
Lastly Kabuto went toe to toe with Tsunade and was said to be around Kakashi level (the second best jounin in Konoha). Kabuto is a very, very strong ninja and would be a great deal of help. Look at the help a weaker Sakura was for for Chiyo. Looking at the evidence logically Sasori definitely seems like the stronger ninja.
Kabuto is a talented ninja, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that he would hardly have made a difference if Sasori and Orochimaru had fought. Odds are, he would have just gotten in Oro's way.
Axccel
08-20-2007, 01:03 AM
Sasori doesn't "prepare" for fights. Everything he fights with he carries inside Hiruko at all times. Oro obviously didn't do much preparation either, considering that had he been the least bit unsure of his chances, he would have prepped himself an Edo Tensei or two -- which of course, would solo the fight for him.
What use was Kabuto going to be if they double teamed him anyway? His fighting style isn't exactly ideal for puppet busting.
Ugh, that's the thing right there. He nor Orochi would have never expected Sasori to be a puppet himself. They probably thought he was just a man inside Hiroku. That's besides the point, Oro still asked for assistance from Kabuto.
Ugh, that's the thing right there. He nor Orochi would have never expected Sasori to be a puppet himself. They probably thought he was just a man inside Hiroku. That's besides the point, Oro still asked for assistance from Kabuto.
Well Sasori did say that he was forced to use "himself" when he joined Akatsuki, and there's a chance that Orochimaru was already there when it happened.
If not, he and Orochimaru were still partners. Oro must have seen him fight outside of Hiruko at one point.
Orochimaru didn't exactly ask Kabuto for help. He needed him to meet Sasori at the meeting place. Kabuto would hardly have impacted the fight. He is nowhere near Oro's or Sasori's level. Kabuto is on par with preskip Kakashi. Preskip Kakashi looked at the back of a weaker Orochimaru's head and practically fainted.
Even if he asked him for help, that doesn't really mean anything. If you know you're better than someone you are meeting for a knife fight, it still won't hurt to bring a glock along.
Mibu Clan
08-20-2007, 01:37 AM
Sasori...
Come on, he has no way of knowing WHERE to aim in the first place, and he would evetually get scratched.
I doubt he gets past Sandaime Kazekage.
MASSIVE SARUTOBI OVERKILL
I was waiting for someone to make sense.
Sarutobi has horrible stamina, and in order to keep up with and beat Sasori, you need almost flawless stamina.
Sarutobi had low chakra, not stamina. Get your facts straight, he had no problem keeping up with Orochimaru, Shodai or Nidaime when it came to taijutsu or ninjutsu.
He became tired when he seperated his chakra with the Kage Bunshins, which eat up a shitload of chakra. That said, Sandaime's Satetsu is a helluva lot more powerful in combat applications then Shodai's Mokuton.
Sandaime doesn't get stomped, but he losses hard to Sasori.
~ Son of SPARDA ~
08-20-2007, 02:59 AM
Damnit, for some odd reason I totally overlooked the word "old" (in reference to Sarutobi) in the thread's title, I only saw Sarutobi's name... guess I need to lay off the prescription pills LOL I'm just kidding... anyway, having made this "revelation," I must reconsider my position on this fight, in which case I say Sasori definitely wins with ample difficulty.
jaret9
08-20-2007, 03:03 AM
Why do people keep posting posts where there is one akatsuki member vs a hokage or sannin? I just doesn't make sense. Maybe when sarutobi was a chuunin this would be a match. Anything higher is overkill.
Oriodark178
08-20-2007, 03:06 AM
Sasori would win, pretty easily, but i imagine Sasori would sustain some damage throughout the fight.
Why do people keep posting posts where there is one akatsuki member vs a hokage or sannin? I just doesn't make sense. Maybe when sarutobi was a chuunin this would be a match. Anything higher is overkill.
I love it when you post...
It makes me feel so much more intelligent.
~ Son of SPARDA ~
08-20-2007, 06:09 AM
Kakashi level (the second best jounin in Konoha).
If Kakashi is the second strongest Jounin in Konoha, then who the hell is the strongest???
If Kakashi is the second strongest Jounin in Konoha, then who the hell is the strongest???
Jiraiya. :oh
...though I can't be sure if that's what he meant.
Metric
08-20-2007, 07:31 AM
lol wut
Old Sarutobi loses, or at best draws with Shiki Fuujin.
Creator
08-20-2007, 07:37 AM
Sarutobi wins this.
Mibu Clan
08-20-2007, 11:35 AM
Why do people keep posting posts where there is one akatsuki member vs a hokage or sannin? I just doesn't make sense. Maybe when sarutobi was a chuunin this would be a match. Anything higher is overkill.
Is that so?
Old Sarutobi doesnt a chance of victory against Deidara, Kakuzu or Itachi either... (He would definetly entertain them though)
In FACT, a Sannin was raped by Itachi with a SINGLE 3-tomoe Sharingan GENJUTSU!!
Sasori
08-20-2007, 11:36 AM
If Kakashi is the second strongest Jounin in Konoha, then who the hell is the strongest???Gai, obviously.
arednad
08-20-2007, 12:00 PM
I meant Jiraiya is the strongest jounin in Konoha. Also Orochimaru did not have to bring Kabuto he could have simply done a Henge Bunshin to look like him as Yamato did. Orochimaru needed help and there is no proof that he prepared for the fight, but considering this was an ambush he most likely did.
Also old Sarutobi did have lower stamina than most elite ninjas. His stamina was given as a three, which is the same level as Kakashi pre time skip
erictheking
08-20-2007, 12:09 PM
Old Sarutobi wins. Dummies. Summon Enma, Enma would destroy those faggy puppets. He can call a hundred puppets but Sarutobi just does some massive chakra attack using the cave to his advantage. We didn't see half of his arsenal against Orochimaru. He nearly beat Orochimaru prime, Shodaime AND Nidaime all at once. Sasori got beat by a Chuunin and a very, very old granny. I don't see how Chiyo is considered young and energetic enough to dodge Sasori's attacks but Sarutobi is too old and tired to do so..not to mention Sarutobi's immense shinobi skills compared to hers.
TreeofSephri
08-20-2007, 01:36 PM
Old Sarutobi wins. Dummies. Summon Enma, Enma would destroy those faggy puppets. He can call a hundred puppets but Sarutobi just does some massive chakra attack using the cave to his advantage. We didn't see half of his arsenal against Orochimaru. He nearly beat Orochimaru prime, Shodaime AND Nidaime all at once. Sasori got beat by a Chuunin and a very, very old granny. I don't see how Chiyo is considered young and energetic enough to dodge Sasori's attacks but Sarutobi is too old and tired to do so..not to mention Sarutobi's immense shinobi skills compared to hers.
Wow. Maybe you forgot that all the puppets need to do is inflict one scratch on Enma and the battle is over for him. What massive chakra attack has Sarutobi shown other than Katon: Kamayu Endan which is a linear attack that anyone moving could dodge. You are right to say that we didn't see half his arsenal against Orochimaru ergo we cannot say he can use it now. He did not beat Orochimaru, Shodaime and Nidaime all at once. They attacked one at a time. Orochimaru simply watched most of the time. You are way too vague in your assertion. You are not saying how Sarutobi would win just that he would because he is good.
Wow. Maybe you forgot that all the puppets need to do is inflict one scratch on Enma and the battle is over for him. What massive chakra attack has Sarutobi shown other than Katon: Kamayu Endan which is a linear attack that anyone moving could dodge. You are right to say that we didn't see half his arsenal against Orochimaru ergo we cannot say he can use it now. He did not beat Orochimaru, Shodaime and Nidaime all at once. They attacked one at a time. Orochimaru simply watched most of the time. You are way too vague in your assertion. You are not saying how Sarutobi would win just that he would because he is good.
Shodai and Nidaime were always attacking him in tandem with each other's ninjutsu or taijutsu. What manga are you reading?
TreeofSephri
08-20-2007, 01:55 PM
Shodai and Nidaime were always attacking him in tandem with each other's ninjutsu or taijutsu. What manga are you reading?
They always took took turns. First Shodai runs and engages in taijutsu then Nidaime does the same. Nidaime uses Suiton Suijinheki and Suishoha and then Shodai goes on the attack with Taijutsu. Then Nidaime drags Sarutobi underwater. Not once did they ever attack at the same time.
They always took took turns. First Shodai runs and engages in taijutsu then Nidaime does the same. Nidaime uses Suiton Suijinheki and Suishoha and then Shodai goes on the attack with Taijutsu. Then Nidaime drags Sarutobi underwater. Not once did they ever attack at the same time.
Congradulations, you still missed my point.
TreeofSephri
08-20-2007, 01:57 PM
Congradulations, you still missed my point.
And you dodged mine.
erictheking
08-21-2007, 10:57 AM
Wow. Maybe you forgot that all the puppets need to do is inflict one scratch on Enma and the battle is over for him. What massive chakra attack has Sarutobi shown other than Katon: Kamayu Endan which is a linear attack that anyone moving could dodge. You are right to say that we didn't see half his arsenal against Orochimaru ergo we cannot say he can use it now. He did not beat Orochimaru, Shodaime and Nidaime all at once. They attacked one at a time. Orochimaru simply watched most of the time. You are way too vague in your assertion. You are not saying how Sarutobi would win just that he would because he is good.
Enma is a monkey god. Sasori's poison is like distilled water to such beings.
Sliver Fang
08-21-2007, 03:32 PM
Very close match for both but Third won't know about the pison so will get scratched and die.
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