cloud vs ichigo

[burninhell]

Cloud is allowed all materia,limit breaks.
ichigo is allowed bankai,vaizard,hollow forms.

[The Internet]

Cloud for his summons

[Iris]

Cloud wins.

[auron55]

i predict this thread will fail almost as hard as my first thread. Cloud wins

[Ceej17]

Cloud wins in an interesting battle (to say the least).

[The Internet]

Cloud wins in an interesting battle (to say the least).
He just spams Knights of the Round and wins it.

Only way he would anyways

[Iris]

This is actually a curbstomp.

Cloud can't die and has every materia in his possession.

KOTR spam, ultima, comet, other summons like Hades etc...

[Orion]

Cloud has final attack phoenix so even if he does somehow die he comes right back to life and ichigo is getting burned very badly....cloud really cant loose this.

[Zack_Strife]

Ichigo should rape in this fight. Summons are far from instant so he should be able to Bankai on and take Cloud's head off before any spell is complete. Although if Cloud can keep coming back it isn't really fair.

[Orion]

Ichigo should rape in this fight. Summons are far from instant so he should be able to Bankai on and take Cloud's head off before any spell is complete. Although if Cloud can keep coming back it isn't really fair.

Summons may not be instant but alot of other magic is,shield and then summon ftwsmile-big .

[~Shin~]

In game FF characters are fucking beasts. They have so much versatility that it's ridiculous. Clouds wins.

[Zack_Strife]

Summons may not be instant but alot of other magic is,shield and then summon ftwsmile-big .

Random video from youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ancf9sd4G2o
magic clearly doesn't happen instantly.

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/162/16/
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/162/17/
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/163/1/
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/163/2/

That is Ichigo's speed. Cloud can't keep up with that, he may get the chance to perform one spell while Ichigo goes Bankai but barriers only reduce damage, they don't nullify it and at Ichigo's level of speed and strength it won't take long for Ichigo to hack him up.
Seriously, Ichigo is Cloud with more power and far more speed. He drew at Shikai level with Zaraki Kenpachi who was cutting buildings down like Cloud and Sephiroth in AC. Bankai increases his speed and his Vaizard mask just soups him up even more. I'm confident he could either evade or take down anything Cloud summons.
The only thing keeping him from decisively winning is Cloud's ability to resurrect based on Materia combinations.

[Orion]

Shield if I remember right is complete physical immunity,that combined with summons and final attack revive combo=cloud cannot loose.

[Iris]

Yes it nullifies any attack, but only for once if I remember correctly, thereafter you gotta cast it again = mimic ftw lol.

[SteelJack]

Uber Materia comboes are so broken. Cloud takes this, unfortunately.

[Blitzomaru]

Final attack/phoenix, Mp absorb/any magic materia, hp/mp switch to give hp 9999 MP, and counter/second magic that is linked to MP absorb= Unkillable.

[SteelJack]

Final attack/phoenix, Mp absorb/any magic materia, hp/mp switch to give hp 9999 MP, and counter/second magic that is linked to MP absorb= Unkillable.

See what I mean? Broken beyond belief.

[Blitzomaru]

Which is why no one should ever give FFVII characters access to Materia. Also brings me to the conclusion that Emerald weapon is the strongest opponent in any game ever. because he is almost impossible to beat without having at least 1 materia equipped. The only way to beat him without materia is having max stats and a lot of healing items.

[Iris]

Which is why no one should ever give FFVII characters access to Materia. Also brings me to the conclusion that Emerald weapon is the strongest opponent in any game ever. because he is almost impossible to beat without having at least 1 materia equipped. The only way to beat him without materia is having max stats and a lot of healing items.

Even then it's impossible, max stats in FF7 mean shit.

There's no way killing Emerald w/o materia.

20min w/o materia is all there is, even with 99 elixirs it's impossible, Air Tam Storm deals 9999 damage, with no materia = no final phoenix = no ress.

[Blitzomaru]

Actually the trick to getting around Aire tam storm is equipping as little materia as possible. Aire Tam storm = materia spelled backwards. it dealt 1111hp of damage for every materia equipped, so if you had 9 or more equipped it dealt 9999 damage, regardless of defense. So only vital materia (master summon/All, HP plus, underwater and final attack/phoenix) needed to be equipped. Those six meant that Aire Tam storm would only do 6666HP of damage, leaving you with 3333HP left if you had max health to begin with.

EDIT: if you really wanna cheat to beat Emerald Weapon (and the developers must have put this in the game with him in mind) Just equip 2 HP pluses on one character so that they have 9999HP. when he uses Aire Tame storm it'll do 2222HP, leaving your character with 7777HP, which will put them into lucky 7's mode, and make them slash emerald weapon for about 63 hits which is over 400,000HP of damage.

[Zack_Strife]

So Ichigo is pretty much superior but he basically gets worn down and pwned because of broken ass materia combinations?

[Orion]

So Ichigo is pretty much superior but he basically gets worn down and pwned because of broken ass materia combinations?

Yep thats about it.

[Blitzomaru]

Exactly. There are only 5 bosses in the entire game that can survive a W-summon KoTR. Emerald Weapon, Ruby Weapon, Jenova (barely), and the 2 sephiroth forms(once again, barely).

[The Internet]

Exactly. There are only 3 bosses in the entire game that can survive a W-summon KoTR. Emerald Weapon, Ruby Weapon, and Safer Sephiroth

Fixed, the strongest KOTR can be can 1 hit Seph's first form and can 1 hit jenova.

[Iris]

Actually the trick to getting around Aire tam storm is equipping as little materia as possible. Aire Tam storm = materia spelled backwards. it dealt 1111hp of damage for every materia equipped, so if you had 9 or more equipped it dealt 9999 damage, regardless of defense. So only vital materia (master summon/All, HP plus, underwater and final attack/phoenix) needed to be equipped. Those six meant that Aire Tam storm would only do 6666HP of damage, leaving you with 3333HP left if you had max health to begin with.

While I didn't experiment with that, I remember beating him once with w-summon, mimic, final-phoenix, mp materia and hp plus and omnislash wich ain't materia, according to you I would have taken 6666 or 7777 damage, unfortunately I took 9999 like always, not to mention before he uses Air Tam Storm, he fuckes you up with emerald beam, 3/4 hp/mp drain and stomp counters.

What I said is that with no materia wich you previously said it's impossible to beat him, just impossible.

EDIT: if you really wanna cheat to beat Emerald Weapon (and the developers must have put this in the game with him in mind) Just equip 2 HP pluses on one character so that they have 9999HP. when he uses Aire Tame storm it'll do 2222HP, leaving your character with 7777HP, which will put them into lucky 7's mode, and make them slash emerald weapon for about 63 hits which is over 400,000HP of damage.

This is also wrong, I had lucky 7's many times, all it did was hitting enemy for 7777 damage each round regardless of weapon and strenght you use, besides 400k hp is nearly not enough to kill him since he got 1mil hp.

KOTR with max magic stat combined with w-summon can one-hit even Safer Sephiroth, he got only 250k hp and max damage KOTR is capable of is 260k rounded up, GG.

That means only Ruby and Emerald could tank it.

[The Internet]

Safer Sephiroth's HP is a variable, but the minimum is above 250k hp, maximum being 400k hp.

Further more, I don't know WHERE you get 260k dmg for KOTR, the max is around 130k dmg

[Iris]

Safer Sephiroth's HP is a variable, but the minimum is above 250k hp, maximum being 400k hp.

Further more, I don't know WHERE you get 260k dmg for KOTR, the max is around 130k dmg

130k rounded up, with w-summon it's double. = 260k.

I'm almost sure, the hp of the bosses and mobs are pretty much set.

[Blitzomaru]

While I didn't experiment with that, I remember beating him once with w-summon, mimic, final-phoenix, mp materia and hp plus and omnislash wich ain't materia, according to you I would have taken 6666 or 7777 damage, unfortunately I took 9999 like always, not to mention before he uses Air Tam Storm, he fuckes you up with emerald beam, 3/4 hp/mp drain and stomp counters.

What I said is that with no materia wich you previously said it's impossible to beat him, just impossible.

It is very possible. And I have no idea why you would get hit for 9999 HP if that is all you have equipped. It's a fact that Aire Tam storm does 1111HP of damage for every Materia you have equipped. So if you have more than 8 Materia your only hope for surviving the attack is if shield works. I have beaten Emerald many times by exploiting this, since that is what kills so many people. They buff up all their weapon and armor slots with materia, use shield, take about 30-60% of his HP away, then he hits them with Aire Tam Storm and kills them. I have actually beat Emerald weapon with ONLY final attack/phoenix, cure/all and HP/MP switch on cloud, cure/all, time/all, and Underwater Materia on Barret, and Enemy skill and HP plus Materia on Cid. Only people who die are Cloud and Barret. Cid never died once. Sure, ti took nearly 30 minutes, but I beat Emerald.

This is also wrong, I had lucky 7's many times, all it did was hitting enemy for 7777 damage each round regardless of weapon and strenght you use, besides 400k hp is nearly not enough to kill him since he got 1mil hp.

KOTR with max magic stat combined with w-summon can one-hit even Safer Sephiroth, he got only 250k hp and max damage KOTR is capable of is 260k rounded up, GG.

That means only Ruby and Emerald could tank it.

Lucky 7's does work. Once again, i don't know why it doesn't work for you. I have hit Emerald over 40 times in a row with lucky 7's before he attacked my character once, then finished the last hits before he had a chance to counterattack again. I never said it would kill him, but it does take nearly half of his HP away. That goes a long way towards beating him.

130k rounded up, with w-summon it's double. = 260k.

I'm almost sure, the hp of the bosses and mobs are pretty much set.

Most are. Safer sephiroth actually gets a 80,000 HP boost if you use KoTR on Jenova. Bizarro Sephiroth gets a 60,000HP boost. Safer Sephiroth also receives a 30,000 HP boost for every person in you party who is lvl 99. His base HP is 80,000 so he can have as much as 400,000HP. Yes, I am a FFVII nerd.

[Iris]

It is very possible. And I have no idea why you would get hit for 9999 HP if that is all you have equipped. It's a fact that Aire Tam storm does 1111HP of damage for every Materia you have equipped. So if you have more than 8 Materia your only hope for surviving the attack is if shield works. I have beaten Emerald many times by exploiting this, since that is what kills so many people. They buff up all their weapon and armor slots with materia, use shield, take about 30-60% of his HP away, then he hits them with Aire Tam Storm and kills them. I have actually beat Emerald weapon with ONLY final attack/phoenix, cure/all and HP/MP switch on cloud, cure/all, time/all, and Underwater Materia on Barret, and Enemy skill and HP plus Materia on Cid. Only people who die are Cloud and Barret. Cid never died once. Sure, ti took nearly 30 minutes, but I beat Emerald.

Well for some reason ATS does 9999 damage to me, regardless of the Materia I equipped. Also you previously said Emerald could be beaten with no Materia, all I was saying is that that's impossible.

Lucky 7's does work. Once again, i don't know why it doesn't work for you. I have hit Emerald over 40 times in a row with lucky 7's before he attacked my character once, then finished the last hits before he had a chance to counterattack again. I never said it would kill him, but it does take nearly half of his HP away. That goes a long way towards beating him.

Again strange shit, when I had lucky 7's, all it ever did is making the char go berserk and doing 7777 damage each round, fighting Emerald and Ruby with that is like suicide.

Most are. Safer sephiroth actually gets a 80,000 HP boost if you use KoTR on Jenova. Bizarro Sephiroth gets a 60,000HP boost. Safer Sephiroth also receives a 30,000 HP boost for every person in you party who is lvl 99. His base HP is 80,000 so he can have as much as 400,000HP. Yes, I am a FFVII nerd.

This I didn't know, gotta try it out when I got time.