Darth Nihilus vs. Sephiroth

[The Anti-Existence]

Darth Nihilus approaches in The Ravager.

He plans to feed on this crappy little planet 'cause Lifestream is almost as yummy as The Force.

Sephiroth says aw no you didn't and goes to stop him.

Sephiroth is at his canonically most powerful incarnation.

Can he board the dead ship and take down the mighty Sith Lord?

[Pipboy]

Any of that solar system, summons bullshit?

[mystictrunks]

What's his most powerful point. I'm sure you should specify or this will just turn into some weird arguement about when Seph was at his prime instead of the real topic.

Also won't his sword get destroyed the second it touches a lightsaber?

[Pipboy]

I was more thinking wouldn't his planet and soul be destroyed as soon as nihilus spoke?

[The Internet]

Rape Sephiroth more, it pleases me

[SteelJack]

Rape Sephiroth more, it pleases me

Seconded! smile-big

[Steven Pinhead]

Sephiroth would drop dead from Nihilus' mere prescence. Assuming he can even make it to a point where he'd be in his prescence before Nihilus eats the planet.

[Iris]

With or w/o game mechanics?

[EvilMoogle]

This thread is full of laughs.

Nihilus eats the planet before Sephiroth even realizes he was there.

Even if we start them both in the same room Nihilus has force TK strong enough to move battleships at warp speed.

[TWF]

This thread is full of laughs.

Nihilus eats the planet before Sephiroth even realizes he was there.

Even if we start them both in the same room Nihilus has force TK strong enough to move battleships at warp speed.

Warp Speed? No.

And does Nihilus actually open hyperspace tunnels, Pip or is that the ship itself with it's zombie crew under his control?

[EvilMoogle]

Warp Speed? No.

And does Nihilus actually open hyperspace tunnels, Pip or is that the ship itself with it's zombie crew under his control?

The ships were destroyed, they're being held together and moved through space through Nihilus' mastery of the force.

Though it doesn't really matter, even the act of holding a pressurized hull together in space with the force is far more than enough to rip apart Sephiroth.

Sephiroth is overrated, he's not a planet-killer by any significant sense of the term (took days/weeks to cast "meteo").

[Iris]

I dunno, if you take game mechanics into consideration, his Super Nova would be more or less a galaxy buster.

[Crimson Dragoon]

LOL. FF7 earth gets raped when Nihilus speaks a word. Sephiroth is nothing to Nihilus. This is a rapestomp of epic proportions.

[EvilMoogle]

I dunno, if you take game mechanics into consideration, his Super Nova would be more or less a galaxy buster.

'cept it wasn't able to even damage the planet. "Super Nova" really should have been called "Mild Sunburn."

Even if we assume Cloud + crew were just so badass they could have survived the displayed effect, the planet should have been cratered by it.

[Iris]

'cept it wasn't able to even damage the planet. "Super Nova" really should have been called "Mild Sunburn."

Even if we assume Cloud + crew were just so badass they could have survived the displayed effect, the planet should have been cratered by it.

You know how PIS works, if the effect would really be real, everyone and everything would die instead of taking the usual 9999 damage...

[mystictrunks]

If Super Nova was an accurate show of power then why did Seph wait 275026356234875682762 days for meteor?

[Crimson Dragoon]

Personally, I'd like to see DE Palpatine vs FF7 earth. The results would be amusing. FF7 earth would slowly turn into a Dark Side hellhole much like Byss, thus increasing Palpy's power, and becoming what Sephiroth has wet dreams about.

[Iris]

If Super Nova was an accurate show of power then why did Seph wait 275026356234875682762 days for meteor?

You know how games work...

It's like to make children think, oh noes, we are saving teh worldzors trill.

Besides, trying to safe the world only to uber fail in the end would be lame.

You can argue how everyone survived Kuja's planet destroying Ultima lol.

[The Internet]

Besides, trying to safe the world only to uber fail in the end would be lame.

That's what made FF6 awesome and put Kefka well above Seph's power.

[EvilMoogle]

You know how PIS works, if the effect would really be real, everyone and everything would die instead of taking the usual 9999 damage...

"Super Nova" has only one showing in the game.

In this showing it:

* Fails to kill any member of the party (regardless of party configuration)
* Fails to substantially damage the planet
* Fails to kill any significant number of people on the planet (based on the ending of the game)

If you can show a canon example of Sephiroth using "Super Nova" to do anything useful then I will reconsider it, but as it stands I think it's safer to assume it's some sort of "solar flair" light-burst that does mild damage only.

What something is called doesn't matter, only what it actually does matters. Deadpool hit Kitty Pride with an uppercut while shouting "shoryuken", that doesn't mean I expect him to be leaving chi-scars in rocks when he fights.

[Iris]

I'm going to continue playing FF6 soon, never got to the Kefka point, the graphics irritated me as well as the game system, but oh well...as they say...don't judge a book by its cover, I'll complete it some day, especially now that you mentioned that. Thanks.

@EM:

I already said why it could be real.

But...I agree that it shouldn't be used as a valid feat.

[MitchellZaku]

Nihilus was a freaking joke. For all the big hype they made about him in that game, he was hands down the easiest boss even on hard. 'Oh I get to fight this guy now? cool well... wait i killed him already?' gimme a break.

[TWF]

And even if so he'd still solo the FF7verse.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Wut u gon do when Nihilus comes for u? U gon do nothin. U gon die.

[Pipboy]

Nihilus was a freaking joke. For all the big hype they made about him in that game, he was hands down the easiest boss even on hard. 'Oh I get to fight this guy now? cool well... wait i killed him already?' gimme a break.

And Sephiroth dies before my Knights of the Round finishes. You can blow up a star destroyer by shooting its engines in a TIE fighter, and Demon Gods of hell have only 600 hit points. Yeah, game mechanics don't make sense.

[Steven Pinhead]

Nihilus was weakened both by trying to eat a void in the Force (you), and from the weakening of his link to the physical world (Visas), which was why he was a joke.

[ApolloCloud]

When Sephiroth faces Nihilus, he wins in a curbstomp. You guys are all wrong, and it's because you haven't taken these points into consideration:

1. A force user can only directly apply a force power to something of the force. This can quite clearly be seen with the Yuuzhan Vong. Sephiroth is not a part of the force, thus Nihilus can't directly affect him. Even physical manifestations of the force would just bend away from Sephiroth as can be seen with, again, the Vong. Thus, if Nihilus wants to attack him with the force, he has to do so indirectly, such as hurling objects at him.

2. Nihilus' physical body is completely dead, and he lives through his armour. Thus, his physical senses are also dead, and he can only sense things with the force. However, as can be seen with the Vong, force users can't sense things that are not a part of the force, thus Nihilus can't sense Sephiroth with the force (neither can he precognate his actions), and therefor has no way of ever detecting and locating Sephiroth.

3. A force user's power with the force stems from two sources. Their force connection, which determines how well they are able to manipulate the forcefield around them, and the level of the presence of the force around them. While Nihilus quite clearly has a tremendous connection to the force, he's no longer in the SWU, a universe filled with the force, but in a place where the force only stems from his ship and his crew. Thus, the force at his disposal that he can manipulate is exponentially lesser to what it was before, making Nihilus, in this scenario, much weaker. If you question any of this info, just watch the movies, where it's quite clearly explained that a force user's midi-chlorian count determines how well they are able to manipulate the force that surrounds them.

So to recap, Nihilus can't locate Sephiroth through any means possible (so what's stopping Sephiroth from sneaking up behind him and destroying him?), he can't directly effect him with the force, he can't see through the future in respect to Sephiroth's actions, he can't use indirect physical manifestations of the force against Sephiroth, and he's much, much weaker than he is usually depicted. As I said, Seph wins in a curbstomp.

[Steven Pinhead]

I'd like you to show me proof that Sephiroth is not connected to the force.

The Vong came from the SW galaxy originally. Their original leaders emerged from an Asteroid destroyed by the Mandalorians.

[EvilMoogle]

So to recap, Nihilus can't locate Sephiroth through any means possible (so what's stopping Sephiroth from sneaking up behind him and destroying him?), he can't directly effect him with the force, he can't see through the future in respect to Sephiroth's actions, he can't use indirect physical manifestations of the force against Sephiroth, and he's much, much weaker than he is usually depicted. As I said, Seph wins in a curbstomp.

Well as the opening post sets up Nihilus is on his spaceship approaching the planet. Even if we assume that Seph can see it somehow, he'll have to fly up there.

Force users can detect spaceships, and Nihilus can easily repel said ship from reaching him (did they even have spacetravel in FFVII?), or throw it into the sun or something.

Even if Sephiroth got onto the ship, he's not going to take Nihilus out in one hit, once he's attacked he'll realize somethings there even if we assume he can't see him (which is a big assumption if you ask me). His force TK can fill the air with shrapnel and Sephiroth will quickly be located by the "hole." Said hole will then be isolated and shunted out into the vacuum of space. Can Sephiroth survive unaided in the vacuum of space?

[Pipboy]

1. Universe equivalence.
2. Universe equivalence
3. NIhilus draws his energy from others not the force.

[ApolloCloud]

I'd like you to show me proof that Sephiroth is not connected to the force.

Asking me to prove a negative? Lol...

The Vong came from the SW galaxy originally. Their original leaders emerged from an Asteroid destroyed by the Mandalorians.

The relevance here is where?

Well as the opening post sets up Nihilus is on his spaceship approaching the planet. Even if we assume that Seph can see it somehow, he'll have to fly up there.

Or teleport, which he'd most likely do.

Force users can detect spaceships, and Nihilus can easily repel said ship from reaching him (did they even have spacetravel in FFVII?), or throw it into the sun or something.

Again, force users cannot directly affect something that is not of the force.

Even if Sephiroth got onto the ship, he's not going to take Nihilus out in one hit, once he's attacked he'll realize somethings there even if we assume he can't see him (which is a big assumption if you ask me).

How's it a big assumption? His physical body is dead, ergo his eyes would not function properly.

His force TK can fill the air with shrapnel and Sephiroth will quickly be located by the "hole." Said hole will then be isolated and shunted out into the vacuum of space. Can Sephiroth survive unaided in the vacuum of space?

You're ignoring the fact that Nihilus in this scenario would be exponentially weaker, as well as the fact that he can't directly attack Sephiroth with the force.

1. Universe equivalence.
2. Universe equivalence

So we ignore how the force works and functions simply because we have another setting involved? That's just silly, and seeing as the TC didn't specify either way, I'm just going to assume that things would go down in the most realistic fashion.

3. NIhilus draws his energy from others not the force.

Huge misunderstanding of Nihilus' nature, Pippy. His preternatural powers, abilities and skills all come from the same power source, the force. He summons the power of the force, bends it to his will, and applies the power through different techniques. What you're talking about is the way in which he strengthens himself, and delays his inevitable death, which is not the same thing.

[Pipboy]

No I am actually talking about his method of drawing power. He can't access the force because he is a force wound. He draws life and power and the force through others.

Second, universe equivalence is a battledome standard, and even before that the force is and was considered Omnipresent.

[The Anti-Existence]

Nihilus is a wound but he obviously has his own Force power.

He was on Malachor at the Academy for years and Traya can sense him through the Force..

[TWF]

That was before he became a Wound in the Force though.

[EvilMoogle]

Again, force users cannot directly affect something that is not of the force.
Non-living creatures are not of the force, this is stated explicitly a number of times, yet even just drawing from the movies there are numerous examples of force users moving or manipulating droids and other non-living objects.

[ApolloCloud]

No I am actually talking about his method of drawing power. He can't access the force because he is a force wound.

False conclusion, stemming from a misunderstanding of how the force works. The presence one holds in the force, that is the level of the force that runs through them, does not determine how one uses the force. It's one's connection to the force, which stems from their midi-chlorian count, that determines such; two extremely different concepts.

He draws life and power and the force through others.

No, he simply severs their connections, and feeds on them to stay alive a little longer. Not to use the force itself. The force is what grants him the ability after all.

Second, universe equivalence is a battledome standard,

Since when? Where is this said? It's not in the rules.

and even before that the force is and was considered Omnipresent.

Which is just silly, seeing as the force is subject to the rules of the Star Wars Mythologies and that alone. The FF7 World is independent from that setting, and thus independent from the force.

Non-living creatures are not of the force, this is stated explicitly a number of times, yet even just drawing from the movies there are numerous examples of force users moving or manipulating droids and other non-living objects.

ESB Yoda disagrees.

Yoda: And well you should not. For my ally in the Force. And a
powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy
surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we...(Yoda pinches
Luke's shoulder)...not this crude matter. (a sweeping gesture) You must
feel the Force around you. (gesturing) Here, between you...me...the
tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and that
ship!

Directly from the script and depicted in the movie.

So, you were saying?

BTW, The White Fang, you can neg rep me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that:

a) you're lame

and

b) you'll most likely get your rep giving privilege taken away.

So good going there buddy!

[EvilMoogle]

Yoda: And well you should not. For my ally in the Force. And a
powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy
surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we...(Yoda pinches
Luke's shoulder)...not this crude matter. (a sweeping gesture) You must
feel the Force around you. (gesturing) Here, between you...me...the
tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and that
ship!

Ah, well, in that case the force is everywhere including in Sephiroth, his hypothetical ship, and the Yuuzhan Vong. Yoda clearly says this.

The alternative says that the force doesn't exist when Nihilus approaches, at which point he dies instantly because he no longer has the force to sustain him. I'm sure that's what the opening post had in mind :P

We have to assume that both parties abilities work to a reasonable degree otherwise cross-universe battles can't take place. By your logic I could take out Darth Nihilus because he couldn't see me or sense me with the force. Well, maybe I could, but a normal person sure shouldn't be able to.

[TWF]

BTW, The White Fang, you can neg rep me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that:

a) you're lame

and

b) you'll most likely get your rep giving privilege taken away.

So good going there buddy!

Lol, I didn't flame and I left my name in my neg. So I don't think so.

[Steven Pinhead]

First of all, Luke showed it was perfectly possible to attack Vong with the force, it's just really difficult.

Second, as long as Visas is alive, Sephiroth can't kill Nihilus. She's his only connection to the living world, which is why he's a wound. He has the Exile's same ability of forming parasitic force bonds.

[Pipboy]

False conclusion, stemming from a misunderstanding of how the force works. The presence one holds in the force, that is the level of the force that runs through them, does not determine how one uses the force. It's one's connection to the force, which stems from their midi-chlorian count, that determines such; two extremely different concepts.

So I assume you have no clue what the plot of KOTOR 2 because thats the only explaination I can come up with for you directly contradicting what issaid in the game. The echo's of a wound prevent the force from connecting to a person. Nihilus has no connection to the force, instead he draws power by consuming others and accessing force powers from a internal resevoir of force that he gets by draining the life frmo others.



No, he simply severs their connections, and feeds on them to stay alive a little longer. Not to use the force itself. The force is what grants him the ability after all.


Can I take wrong answers for 200 alex? His ability to form bonds is secondary to his inabilty to feel the force. He doesn't sever any connections he ESTABLISHES connections and then uses them to DRAIN the force from you. Or in colloquial terms he is a gigantic vampire for life.


Since when? Where is this said? It's not in the rules.


Do a search of Queensbury rules. OR OBD assumptions.


Which is just silly, seeing as the force is subject to the rules of the Star Wars Mythologies and that alone. The FF7 World is independent from that setting, and thus independent from the force.


Unfortunately for you I pretty much invented this argument for use on naruto. Unfortunately for you the battle scenario states that Nihlus is moving in his starship which means his force powers work which mean your SOL.

[TWF]

So to be certain, Nihilus's Wound in the Force allows him to usurp other's own Force power for his own?

[The Anti-Existence]

Nihilus can only see through the Force, according to Tobin. he also senses life on planets and senses the Exile.

He must have some sense of Force power of his own.

Also, if he was devoid of the Force, I dont' see how he could spawn Force Bond with an entire planet in an instant and drain them.

[Robotkiller]

Darth Nihilus would rape sephiroth in twelve different dimensions.

[Pipboy]

The best way to think of it is like the force is a sun hanging over everyone in the universe. NIhilus and the Exile are under umbrellas, so they both need to gather people around them to make themselves warm. The exile forms light bonds with everyone she meets, corrupting their will with her own and siphoning the force through them into herself, those she kills she eats their force becoming stronger, gathering more "heat" into herself. Nihilus is the same, though he has refined the skill to the point where the connections that he forges with everyone near and far from him can be used to draw their life and force through the connection to him.

BUt as a force wound he himself cannot hear the force like any other jedi can.

[ApolloCloud]

Ah, well, in that case the force is everywhere including in Sephiroth, his hypothetical ship, and the Yuuzhan Vong. Yoda clearly says this.

Quit trying to be a smartass. FF7 Canon is in a separate setting to that of Yoda's, thus his words do not apply to that setting.

The Yuuzhan Vong are one of a few exceptions to that rule, that Yoda didn't know about.

The alternative says that the force doesn't exist when Nihilus approaches, at which point he dies instantly because he no longer has the force to sustain him. I'm sure that's what the opening post had in mind :P

If you'd payed attention to my post, you would have noticed that Nihilus could still access the force, just not to the same degree due to the lower levels of it (it only runs through his ship and his crew). Plus, Nihilus' ability to move his ship and hold it together does not require continuous use of the force (otherwise the ship would have started falling apart as soon as Nihilus died) so it can safely be assumed that he initiated the technique way before entering the FF7 universe, possibly entering a portal or something.

We have to assume that both parties abilities work to a reasonable degree otherwise cross-universe battles can't take place.

Not really. Put someone like Luke Skywalker up against Sephiroth, make it take place in the SWU, and we have a good fight on our hands.

By your logic I could take out Darth Nihilus because he couldn't see me or sense me with the force. Well, maybe I could, but a normal person sure shouldn't be able to.

Not necessarily. His lifeforce runs through his armour, most likely force enhanced, so would you even be able to hurt the guy? Either way, that's the beauty of the force, and what makes it unique in modern preternatural settings.

First of all, Luke showed it was perfectly possible to attack Vong with the force, it's just really difficult.

Only by tapping into the frequency of the force that they were a part of. Apparently you missed the point, which is that you have to be able to utilise the frequency of the force that your opponent is a part of, to sense and directly attack them and such. With Sephiroth, who's part of no frequency of the force, it's simply impossible for any force user to sense, no matter what the frequency is.

So I assume you have no clue what the plot of KOTOR 2 because thats the only explaination I can come up with for you directly contradicting what issaid in the game. The echo's of a wound prevent the force from connecting to a person. Nihilus has no connection to the force, instead he draws power by consuming others and accessing force powers from a internal resevoir of force that he gets by draining the life frmo others.

I think it's time you start offering up proof, because what you're saying directly contradicts G Canon. Being a wound in the force simply means that no force exists in your presence. For Nihilus, not only does this give him similar characteristics to the Yuuzhan Vong, but also means that he constantly has to feed on the force contained in different connections to stay alive. That has nothing to do with one's connections to the force, which is mostly due to one's midi-chlorian count (anomalies are spirits and such). The movies make it quite clear that force connection/midi-chlorian count and the presence of the force field energy that runs through everything are two entirely different concepts. You're getting confused between the two of them.

Can I take wrong answers for 200 alex? His ability to form bonds is secondary to his inabilty to feel the force. He doesn't sever any connections he ESTABLISHES connections and then uses them to DRAIN the force from you. Or in colloquial terms he is a gigantic vampire for life.

Wrong again, this is starting to become a trend.

Kreia: It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.

Credit for the quote goes to Nikkolas from KMC, who I'd imagine is The Anti-Existence.

Do a search of Queensbury rules. OR OBD assumptions.

It's not up to me to prove your claims. You find where it's said, and post a link.

Unfortunately for you I pretty much invented this argument for use on naruto.

Unfortunately for you, I don't give a sh1t, as you're clearly neither a mod, nor an intellectual powerhouse.

Unfortunately for you the battle scenario states that Nihlus is moving in his starship which means his force powers work which mean your SOL.

Wow, like Moogle Man or whatever his name is, your reading ability seems to be lacking. In fact, I'll just copy and paste what I said to him:

If you'd payed attention to my post, you would have noticed that Nihilus could still access the force, just not to the same degree due to the lower levels of it (it only runs through his ship and his crew). Plus, Nihilus' ability to move his ship and hold it together does not require continuous use of the force (otherwise the ship would have started falling apart as soon as Nihilus died) so it can safely be assumed that he initiated the technique way before entering the FF7 universe, possibly entering a portal or something.

[ApolloCloud]

Pipman got owned.

[Comic Book Guy]

This thread is starting to get off-topic, people.

[TWF]

This thread is starting to get off-topic, people.

Cut the chatter, Red Five.

[Pipboy]

Man, what is more obnoxious than declaring your own victory. Especially when its so unfounded. Congrats on choosing a snippet of dialog that in no way contradicts anything I said. Then double congrats on not knowing the ground rules of the forum you are arguing on. And triple congrats on not even understanding why nihilus's force powers are working by the impetus of the conditions set in the OP>


A perfect trifecta of self satisfied ignorance.

[The Anti-Existence]

Palpatine the Undying wins.

[ApolloCloud]

Man, what is more obnoxious than declaring your own victory. Especially when its so unfounded. Congrats on choosing a snippet of dialog that in no way contradicts anything I said.

PipMan: He doesn't sever any connections.

Traya: it is a means of severing connections.

Traya's word > your word.

Contradickhead.

Then double congrats on not knowing the ground rules of the forum you are arguing on.

Pip, what you need to understand is that you can claim that the rules say such, that but that doesn't necessarily make it so. Offer proof, or quit your whining.

And triple congrats on not even understanding why nihilus's force powers are working by the impetus of the conditions set in the OP>


A perfect trifecta of self satisfied ignorance.

Read this again, and pay attention. You'll see that the conditions in no way refute what I've been saying.

If you'd payed attention to my post, you would have noticed that Nihilus could still access the force, just not to the same degree due to the lower levels of it (it only runs through his ship and his crew). Plus, Nihilus' ability to move his ship and hold it together does not require continuous use of the force (otherwise the ship would have started falling apart as soon as Nihilus died) so it can safely be assumed that he initiated the technique way before entering the FF7 universe, [where he would have access to all of his power] possibly entering a portal or something.

So again, all I have left to say is: PIPHEAD GOT OWNED!!

[Ion]

Since when? Where is this said? It's not in the rules.It's not up to me to prove your claims. You find where it's said, and post a link.http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=247288

[ApolloCloud]

I can't be bothered to read through the entire thread, so please explain to me how these assumptions are supposed to act as official rules now.

[Ion]

Basically, the last rule means that we should assume that the sources of the combatant's power are on equal grounds and both have access to them, in addition to being able to use any abilities that are derived from those sources.

In this case, that would be materia/Jenova cells and The Force.

And the reason that they've been made "official" is because there was an overall agreement that they should have been made in the first place, to avoid ambiguity and constant arguments centered around whether or not certain powers would work(like what's happening here), and to bring focus back to who the likely winner would be.

Also, this is a forum, where we all communicate with typed words. If you aren't willing to read information, that even specifically address your own arguments, why bother?

Not to sound like an ass, but... come on.

[ApolloCloud]

Basically, the last rule means that we should assume that the sources of the combatant's power are on equal grounds and both have access to them, in addition to being able to use any abilities that are derived from those sources.

In this case, that would be materia/Jenova cells and The Force.

I perfectly comprehend the meaning behind the assumption.

And the reason that they've been made "official" is because there was an overall agreement that they should have been made in the first place, to avoid ambiguity and constant arguments centered around whether or not certain powers would work(like what's happening here), and to bring focus back to who the likely winner would be.

Erm, sorry, but no. That doesn't make them official. Last time I checked, appeal to majority was still a logical fallacy.

Also, this is a forum, where we all communicate with typed words. If you aren't willing to read information, that even specifically address your own arguments, why bother?

Not to sound like an ass, but... come on.

LMAO. That's like you asking me to post a link to a piece of information, and me posting google.com . I'm sorry, but you're the one trying to make a point, so it's up to you to be as clear on that as possible, which means providing a perfect explanation, and in the case of a link, being as specific as possible.

So yet again, you've failed to prove what you and Pipboy have been trying to for posts. Bravo big man.

[Ion]

Erm, sorry, but no. That doesn't make them official. Last time I checked, appeal to majority was still a logical fallacy.You just used a fallacy fallacy.

If we were talking about true/false statements, then yes, it would be an appeal to popularity logical fallacy, but we're talking about general agreement on rules and guidelines.

LMAO. That's like you asking me to post a link to a piece of information, and me posting google.com.It's actually nothing like that.

You asked "what thread?", so I linked you to the thread where one of the guidelines was written in plain English for all to read.

If I had linked you to the advanced thread search function, then you would be correct.

I'm sorry, but you're the one trying to make a point, so it's up to you to be as clear on that as possible, which means providing a perfect explanation, and in the case of a link, being as specific as possible.Like I said before, if you aren't willing to spend a few extra minutes reading a long thread, when the thread in question directly answers your questions any many more you may have in the future, which is in a subforum full of threads exactly like that, why bother to frequent this section?

[ApolloCloud]

You just used a fallacy fallacy.

Way to misunderstand the fallacy, moron.

The argument ad logicam fallacy (fallacy fallacy) assumes that the conclusion is automatically false based on an invalid argument. If I were to have said that your assumptions thread was completely unofficial based on you using an appeal to majority fallacy, THEN you would be correct in saying that I performed mentioned fallacy. But I didn't, I'm simply just refusing to believe that your assumption thread is official until I see some concrete proof to believe such a thing. Your only attempt at proving such is by using an appeal to majority fallacy, which amounts to nothing. Again, I never said that it isn't possible that your super cool thread was made official, but until I see some valid proof for it having been made official, I'm not going to take that stance.

If we were talking about true/false statements, then yes, it would be an appeal to popularity logical fallacy, but we're talking about general agreement on rules and guidelines.

What in the hell are you smoking? Appeal to majority is simply a fallacy where you claim that what you believe is the case simply because a majority agrees on it.

You: And the reason that they've been made "official" is because there was an overall agreement that they should have been made in the first place

You're choosing to believe that your stance is the right one, and labeling it 'official' based on an overall agreement.

That's an appeal to majority.

Learn to debate before using terms that you don't understand.

It's actually nothing like that.

You asked "what thread?", so I linked you to the thread where one of the guidelines was written in plain English for all to read.

If I had linked you to the advanced thread search function, then you would be correct.

Actually, I think you'll find I'm correct. An extreme analogy =/= an invalid analogy. The point I was making is that it's up to you, and only you to provide proof, seeing as you're the one trying to prove up on a claim. Making me search through a three page thread is essentially making me do part of your job for you. Just because you can't spot the connection, it doesn't mean there isn't one, or that I'm incorrect.

Like I said before, if you aren't willing to spend a few extra minutes reading a long thread, when the thread in question directly answers your questions any many more you may have in the future, which is in a subforum full of threads exactly like that, why bother to frequent this section?

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and the one making the claim bears the responsibility for bringing about said proof in as clear a way as possible. You offering up a link, which in this case doesn't even contain the answers I was looking for does not constitute as providing proof in as clear a way as possible. Try again.

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