Akatsuki vs fire nation(avatar last air bender)!!!

[Sōsuke Aizen]

ok so before anyone starts to automatically say akatsuki takes this in a couple of minutes. I want you to remember(If you watched the show)just how huge the fire nation is and there resoucres and machines, not to mention the hugh differents in number akatsuki has to deal with. The fire nation know's about akatsuki but not about there abilities and same goes for akatauki.....lets just say all the akatsuki members get teleported somehow in the fire nation and just want to kill and destroy the fire nation, remember KILL not take over so....who takes this.

[Kubisa]

Fire nation curb stomps.

Why? Read this. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=232414t)

[Kagutsuchi]

C4, you're fucked.

[Calm]

^^^Very true. WHy would you ask that? Akatsuki have members very all different talents...

For example: Kisame creates a sea of water where people live who can only use fire

[atom]

Magentism solo's

[Sōsuke Aizen]

Fire nation curb stomps.

Why? Read this. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=232414&highlight=Konoha+vs+fire+nation)

I wouldn't call this a curb stomp didnt sasori say that he took on a counrty alone, oh and I am talking about all the members dead or alive and all at there strongest

[Kubisa]

I think Sasori would be the main problem for the fire nation, mainly due to his Iron Sand. Kisame would also be a problem with potential flooding.

But when compared to the Tanks and thousands upon thousands of Fire Benders, I don't think Akatsuki could keep up with them in terms of stamina. I'm not sure how Sasori's 300 puppets factor into this though, or Orochimaru's summons (if he summoned the first two hokages it'd help them, and how much damage could Manda take from the nation?).

[Sōsuke Aizen]

I think Sasori would be the main problem for the fire nation, mainly due to his Iron Sand. Kisame would also be a problem with potential flooding.

But when compared to the Tanks and thousands upon thousands of Fire Benders, I don't think Akatsuki could keep up with them in terms of stamina. I'm not sure how Sasori's 300 puppets factor into this though, or Orochimaru's summons (if he summoned the first two hokages it'd help them, and how much damage could Manda take from the nation?).

sorry if I left this out but I am not makeing this thread a head on fight with the fire nation because the huge differance in number is just to ridiculous even for akatsuki this is a kind of... can akatsuki defeat the fire nation even if they plan and caculated in a invasion but the fire nation knows and are bound to to find and kill them but remmeber no one knows each others abilities though, all fire nation knows is that there huge threats and must be dealt with

[Sōsuke Aizen]

no more takers

[Ceej17]

Akatsuki wins easily.
Kisame makes gigantic waves to spread over the entire country while everyone else sits back watches and sips tea.

[Tash]

Fire nation wins. About 5-6 jounin and Itachi and Kisame who are the members with the strongest abilities shown, and Itachi runs scared. You think he is gonna stare down an entire army of millions, with tanks aerial assaults ect. And your crazy if you think kisame could make a wave to take out the whole nation. Fire nation is about the size of Canada.

[Ceej17]

As mentioned by Neji Kisame has an enormous amount of chakra not to mention he can create bodies of water so i think he could take out at least a decent portion of the fire country by himself.

[wheres the beef?]

avatar=utter failure
lol? they don't even need the whole akatsuki :D haha sasori vs every character from the god horible show and its over >___> all of his puppets+ sandaime kazekage? you'd have to be a serious fucktard if you think those guys will win :laugh

[Iris]

Sasori solos.

[Graham Aker]

Fire Nation obviously, of course, the Akatsuki would take a LOT of their enemies before they are felled.

[Steven Pinhead]

No 10 individual from Naruto is going to beat a nation with quite possibly hunderds of thousands, if not millions, of soldiers at their command by themselves. On top of that, there's superior combat technology, the fact that the individual firebender is at least as good as the average chunin or jonin, and the repeated fact they are outnumbered several hundreds of thousands if not millions to 1.

Fire Nation Rapestomp.

Also, as for the Sasori taking out an entire country: If you believ this, you're as dumb as the people who think that Kakashi can move as fast as lightning. Even if that's true, countries in naruto are smal and they are comprised mostly of absolutely pathetic fodder soldiers.

[chaoserver]

Deidara>tanks and massive amounts of useless guys.
Sasori>obscene amount of numbers.
Kisame>life
Itach/AL/Oro/kakuzu/Hidan(lol) > Single high tier chars.

[Mugiwara Luffy]

Guns>Ninja
Therefore Tank(Big gun)>Akatsuki(Strong Ninja)

[chaoserver]

Tanks could do nothing against Deidara, he flies and nukes. Kisame could clood them out. Zetsu could morph into the ground come up behind the tank and pwn. Hidan could get blown to smith- nevermind not the point.

[The last Dalek]

There stronger than anyone in the firenation but that wont help when your outnumberd this badly.

[Wuzzman]

if akatsuki can't solo konoha, then they defiantly can't beat the fire nation...who has thousands apon thousands of soldiers that can conquer and occupy as land as big as north america...

[wheres the beef?]

Fire Nation obviously, of course, the Akatsuki would take a LOT of their enemies before they are felled.

you're kidding right? :huh
sasori with the Sandaime kazekage using iron sand and deidara bombing the fuck out of them? +c4 :laugh

[chaoserver]

The worst case here is Deidara having to suicide and Hidan dying.

The best case is Hidan dying.

[wheres the beef?]

he wouldn't need to use that suicide/bs attack.All he needs is someone to cover for him and Sasori(Sasori would own the fire nation byhimself with iron sand+his army of puppets lol?)/Kisame is best suited for that job and its over within minutes.

[auron55]

I wouldn't call this a curb stomp didnt sasori say that he took on a counrty alone, oh and I am talking about all the members dead or alive and all at there strongest

sasori said he took on a small county alone not a massive country. But yeah sasori would cause problems.

[atom]

Sasori never specified how large the country was. Stop making stuff up <_<.

[Orion]

if akatsuki can't solo konoha, then they defiantly can't beat the fire nation...who has thousands apon thousands of soldiers that can conquer and occupy as land as big as north america...

If akatsuki all attacked konoha at once konoha would be dead,a non jobbing sasori and kakuzu alone could destroy most of konoha.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

If akatsuki all attacked konoha at once konoha would be dead,a non jobbing sasori and kakuzu alone could destroy most of konoha.

I second that....although not competely since sasori got beat by a old lady and a little girl

[Orion]

I second that....although not competely since sasori got beat by a old lady and a little girl

Hence the non jobbing:nod .

[Sōsuke Aizen]

Hence the non jobbing:nod .

but come on do you seriously think kakuzu and sasori alone could take out the leaf village? one of the strongest village there is?

[Orion]

but come on do you seriously think kakuzu and sasori alone could take out the leaf village? one of the strongest village there is?

I said most of it,and yes I do,kakuzus massive elemental attacks combined with sasori raining iron sand could destroy alot of people.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

I said most of it,and yes I do,kakuzus massive elemental attacks combined with sasori raining iron sand could destroy alot of people.

they couldnt even destroy kakashi and a bunch of Chunin so what are you talking about...I mean he could take out all the helpless non ninja citizens but the jounin and above... I dont think so.

[masamune1]

^They could take out the Leaf.

Akatsuki win; they ambush Fire Lord Ozu (or however you spell his name), murder him and any witnesses, and then get one of their members to Henge as him and rule the Fire Nation in his place. The End.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

^They could take out the Leaf.

Akatsuki win; they ambush Fire Lord Ozu (or however you spell his name), murder him and any witnesses, and then get one of their members to Henge as him and rule the Fire Nation in his place. The End.

their objective is to kill everyone from the the fire nation, not rule it

[Orion]

they couldnt even destroy kakashi and a bunch of Chunin so what are you talking about...I mean he could take out all the helpless non ninja citizens but the jounin and above... I dont think so.

kakuzu shit kicked kakashi and the rest of team around damn near effortlessly once his masks were out,kakuzu got beat by pure plot no jutsu.

[auron55]

Sasori never specified how large the country was. Stop making stuff up <_<.

ehh my bad i thought he said that

[Hio]

Akatsuki will definitely win

[Grandmaster Kane]

C4, you're fucked.

"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"
"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"
"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"
"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"
"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"
"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"
"Oh noes c4 we are screwed"

"Woot they ran out... RAPE TIME!"

[masamune1]

their objective is to kill everyone from the the fire nation, not rule it

Well, ruling it is stage one of their plan, then.

[thegoodjae]

Akatsuki in a RAPESTOMP

With out a time limit, running away and killing wouldnt be so hard.

Numbers mean nothing with no way to hurt the Akatsuki.

Wow, almost all post here are the worst I saw.

For the ones that say why can't they solo Konoha and Kakashi and them, I just think you guys are the worst posters ever.

Kakashi and them were dangerous, because they can actually hurt him, reach him, and fight.

Konoha has NINJAS like TSUNADE, GAI, KAKASHI.

Fire nation has normal humans running that can control fire, but not accelerate the speed of the fire moving to the point where an Akatsuki can not easily dodge.

Akatsuki rapestomps this.

Exactly how the hell are the Akatsuki getting hurt? They have better reaction time by far and would never get hit. Their wide-spread jutsus are too much.


Kisame 30% was spitting out a lake like nothing. Guess what that means? He can storm lakes and they all die. Remember when Jess was gonna flood the Fire nation and he was stopped. Kisame won't be stopped. Kisame can take at least half the population with I say 5 lakes, and then run away with his superior speed and wait till he regains charkra.


The tanks are utterly useless of the Fire Nation seeing as they are only used for climbing and Fire Benders use it only to protect themselves. The thing itself does not have a real gun.


Itachi himself goes around slaying Fire Nation one by one. He will never get hit. He can make a bunch of Kage bushin explosives and kill in massive amounts. He slayed people without being TOUCHED once. Those are ninjas who can jump around trees and fight faster than the eye can see. These are normal people with the ability to control fire.

Deidara can go around blowing up stuff endlessly.

Akatsuki can make an inpenetrable base like they did last time, which the Fire Nation will have nothing to break through an invisible barrier.

If the Akatsuki has such a hide out, they can basically waste all charkra, then come back, rest, and go again.

Idk what the AL, Blue Hair, and Tobi will do, I guess they can organise the attacks and when to retreat.

Hidan doesn't even need Kakuza, as he is actually multiples faster than any one in the Avatarverse and can just go up and slice the heck out of anyone. His sacrifice is not needed. THey definantly won't kill him either.

Kakuza won't be touched. He just flames attacks as well.

Sasori has no possible of dying and can go around killing at least 300 per second. Lets see, in a minute that 18000. One hour is 1,080,000. Do you really think a 1,000,000 is alot for him. He doesn't even need to kill that much considering Deidara's village blowing bombs and Kisame's lake jutsus as well as Kakuza's wide spread attacks that could clear some forest in a couple shots.

I HOPE Oro wasn't included. Gammabunta and Jiraiaysa huge fireball did not even affect Manda, no way would Fire benders puny fire do anything. Manda can just go in mass rape mode and go around and kill people just by passing by. Orochimaru can also summon two other snakes almost as big as Manda.

Seriously, all this while the Fire Benders are too slow to attack as well as having to way of being able to hurt these guys.

Akatsuki rapestomps easily.

[Grandmaster Kane]

The poster above me is a complete idiot and fan boy^

I dont even know where to begin tearing your post apart


Can somebody else start me off?

[thegoodjae]

Yet somehow, your so called "fanboy" made the only intelligent post instead of saying...numbers..uhh tanks without guns somehow reach them...numbers...


Another way is for Itachi to henge into a Fire nation guard, then find out who the fire nation main guard is, kill him, burn his body, then henge into him. Find the leader of the fire nation, kill him, henge into him. Make the law of no weapons what so ever and to destroy them for peace.

Drive everyone out the city and villages for a dangerous disease. Then get Kisame to flood the entrance. Then everyone would be stuck outside and then have no food resources. Slowly everyone dies while Deidara occasionaly bombs for the fun of it.

Akatsuki live in the kingdom of the fire nation discussing how easy it is to take over the Fire Nation due to a academy jutsu.

Where would there be a flaw?

[Grandmaster Kane]

Hold on.

Got to do some chores.

Ill edit in my response that will rip you a new one in about 10 minutes.

[thegoodjae]

lol You can try, but juding by your previous post of trying to mock someone and be funny while supporting no way to actually hurt the Akatsuki, I doubt that will happen.

[Graham Aker]

you're kidding right? :huh
sasori with the Sandaime kazekage using iron sand and deidara bombing the fuck out of them? +c4 :laugh
uh no...

Sasori got defeated by a teeny bopper and an old woman... his arrogance will lead to his defeat, or hundreds of FN soldiers spamming fire at him or sacrifice themselves to distract him while Azula kills him with lightning.
and I dont think Deidara would use C4, unless he wants to kill his comrades too, nevertheless Azula will just shoot a lightning bolt at him while he is distracted by the Fire Nation War Balloons.
Hidan will die quickly, Kakuzu would be a big problem since you have to kill him 5 times, of course Ozai can just blast him with fire endlessly until he is completely turned to ash, of course with the support of his Firebenders to either, sacrifice themselves or distract.
Kisame is not in his element.
Itachi will be a pain since he could just mass Genjutsu, then again Azula could just zap him with lightning, while his attention is elsewhere, like the others.

[Steven Pinhead]

Akatsuki in a RAPESTOMP

With out a time limit, running away and killing wouldnt be so hard.

Running away isn't winning. And it's hard to run when you're encircled by an army numbering in the thousands.

Numbers mean nothing with no way to hurt the Akatsuki.

They have plenty of ways to hurt Akatsuki. Their fire does actual damage and they've got siege weaponry and armor piercing weapons.

Wow, almost all post here are the worst I saw.

For the ones that say why can't they solo Konoha and Kakashi and them, I just think you guys are the worst posters ever.

Kakashi and them were dangerous, because they can actually hurt him, reach him, and fight.

Konoha has NINJAS like TSUNADE, GAI, KAKASHI.

Fire nation has normal humans running that can control fire, but not accelerate the speed of the fire moving to the point where an Akatsuki can not easily dodge.

They've got lightning. And their fire moves faster than any we've seen in Naruto. It takes a kid with speed feats to actually dodge them mos of the time

Akatsuki rapestomps this.

Exactly how the hell are the Akatsuki getting hurt? They have better reaction time by far and would never get hit. Their wide-spread jutsus are too much.

They won't react to hundreds of simultaneous fire blasts.


Kisame 30% was spitting out a lake like nothing. Guess what that means? He can storm lakes and they all die. Remember when Jess was gonna flood the Fire nation and he was stopped. Kisame won't be stopped. Kisame can take at least half the population with I say 5 lakes, and then run away with his superior speed and wait till he regains charkra.

Lakes against an entire nation. Fire Nation is the size of Canada.


The tanks are utterly useless of the Fire Nation seeing as they are only used for climbing and Fire Benders use it only to protect themselves. The thing itself does not have a real gun.

There's nothing other than Amaterasu that's shown us any proof that it could punch through metal. And they can launch group flame blasts.


Itachi himself goes around slaying Fire Nation one by one. He will never get hit. He can make a bunch of Kage bushin explosives and kill in massive amounts. He slayed people without being TOUCHED once. Those are ninjas who can jump around trees and fight faster than the eye can see. These are normal people with the ability to control fire.

Itachi runs away a lot, and they can't fight faster than the eye can see. Sakura can keep up with most of them

Deidara can go around blowing up stuff endlessly.

He can't keep that up forever and will likely end up hurting Akatsuki more than helping them.

Akatsuki can make an inpenetrable base like they did last time, which the Fire Nation will have nothing to break through an invisible barrier.

Fire Nation are master of the art of Siege warfare. What happens when they run out of food and die fo starvation in that impenetrable fortress? They walk out and find themelves staring a mssive army in the face.

If the Akatsuki has such a hide out, they can basically waste all charkra, then come back, rest, and go again.

Eventually, they'll need food doing something like that.

Idk what the AL, Blue Hair, and Tobi will do, I guess they can organise the attacks and when to retreat.

Hidan doesn't even need Kakuza, as he is actually multiples faster than any one in the Avatarverse and can just go up and slice the heck out of anyone. His sacrifice is not needed. THey definantly won't kill him either.

Avatar-verse's speed surpasses that of Naruto's

Kakuza won't be touched. He just flames attacks as well.

Flames attacks from every direction, with the possibility of friendly fire

Sasori has no possible of dying and can go around killing at least 300 per second. Lets see, in a minute that 18000. One hour is 1,080,000. Do you really think a 1,000,000 is alot for him. He doesn't even need to kill that much considering Deidara's village blowing bombs and Kisame's lake jutsus as well as Kakuza's wide spread attacks that could clear some forest in a couple shots.

I won't dignify this with a response. Any intelligent poster knows this is bullshit. He can't kill over 1 million in an hour. He'll get tired and leave himself open for attack.

I HOPE Oro wasn't included. Gammabunta and Jiraiaysa huge fireball did not even affect Manda, no way would Fire benders puny fire do anything. Manda can just go in mass rape mode and go around and kill people just by passing by. Orochimaru can also summon two other snakes almost as big as Manda.

Manda couldn't take out an entire country

Seriously, all this while the Fire Benders are too slow to attack as well as having to way of being able to hurt these guys.

The average firebender is at least as fast as the average chunin.

Akatsuki rapestomps easily.

No



My arguments in bold.

Narutard

[thegoodjae]

Your arguement is pretty sad right there my friend.

Running away is easy, Aang does it all the time.

Henging also would be useful when runnning away.

Their fire sucks. It would never reach an Akatsuki member from so far away.

Sasuke pre skip has better speed feats than the avatarverse.

Actually, they can run away and come back forever.

They can set up base with invisible barriers like they already did.

Avarterverse has less speed than Naruto fodder genins.

The Bending range is long enough for more than ten people to attack each akatsuki member.

Sasori took over a country. Wtf is with you think he will get tired? That is BS.

I never said Manda could take out a country.

Average Firebender is fast as me. Not a chunnin.

Your arguement sucks.

[Steven Pinhead]

Sasori took over a country. Wtf is with you think he will get tired? That is BS.




Please. Fire Nation is a country of millions of elite warriors that's roughly the size of canada. Sasori can not take them. Next you're gonna tell me that Sasori could take on the warcraft universe and win.


In fact, I'd be willing to say that the Yu Yan Archers could solo this.

[thegoodjae]

lol. Warcraft universe has city busters.

NUMBERS DON'T MATTER WHEN YOU CAN"T BE HURT BY THEM.

Sasori can't be hurt by them. He can continously make puppets.

Your response was terrible. As well as you thinking Avatar actually having a speed feat is at most, pitiful.

[chaoserver]

I dont even know where to begin tearing your post apart

You probally better, seeing as that other guy sure didn't do too well with starting you off.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Akatsuki in a RAPESTOMP

With out a time limit, running away and killing wouldnt be so hard.

Numbers mean nothing with no way to hurt the Akatsuki.
Enough ants can bring down a elephant. It is calling swarming.

Wow, almost all post here are the worst I saw.
Wow I see your to cool for grammer huh?

For the ones that say why can't they solo Konoha and Kakashi and them, I just think you guys are the worst posters ever.

Kakashi and them were dangerous, because they can actually hurt him, reach him, and fight.

Konoha has NINJAS like TSUNADE, GAI, KAKASHI.

Fire nation has normal humans running that can control fire, but not accelerate the speed of the fire moving to the point where an Akatsuki can not easily dodge.
Did I miss 100 or so chapters in naruto? Because at last count The akatsuki lost 5 members. Something about that tells me they arent to good at dodging.

Akatsuki rapestomps this.

Exactly how the hell are the Akatsuki getting hurt? They have better reaction time by far and would never get hit. Their wide-spread jutsus are too much.
Ok we have seen what, 2 Wide spread ninjutsu out of the akatsuki so far. AND 1 OF THEM WAS A FUCKING SUICIDE JUTSU

Kisame 30% was spitting out a lake like nothing. Guess what that means? He can storm lakes and they all die.
Because we all know Kisame could flood the entire continent of the fire nation if he wanted to :amuse

Remember when Jess was gonna flood the Fire nation and he was stopped. Kisame won't be stopped.
1. His name is Jet 2. He was gonna flood a firenation outpost. 3. They stopped him because he was gonna kill innocent earth nation people who lived in the city

Kisame can take at least half the population with I say 5 lakes, and then run away with his superior speed and wait till he regains charkra.
None of Kisame's lakes shown so far have been even 1 mile in diameter. So sorry try again :nuts

The tanks are utterly useless of the Fire Nation seeing as they are only used for climbing and Fire Benders use it only to protect themselves. The thing itself does not have a real gun.
Do you even wacth the show or do you like shounding like a idiot?

Itachi himself goes around slaying Fire Nation one by one. He will never get hit. He can make a bunch of Kage bushin explosives and kill in massive amounts. He slayed people without being TOUCHED once. Those are ninjas who can jump around trees and fight faster than the eye can see. These are normal people with the ability to control fire.
1. Not faster then the eye can see 2. Itachi hasnt been hit because of 3 things He is a master of the art of the run away like a pussy, Kishi has a uchiha fetish, and of course PnJ

Deidara can go around blowing up stuff endlessly.
You dont even really read naruto do you? Deidara's clay is specail. It takes time to infuse it with the amount and type of chakra needed for him to do his jutsu. He cant even make mass amounts of it. Even if he could he would have to go mine clay constantly because of the amount of soliders he would have to kill.

Akatsuki can make an inpenetrable base like they did last time, which the Fire Nation will have nothing to break through an invisible barrier.
1 word.... Seige

If the Akatsuki has such a hide out, they can basically waste all charkra, then come back, rest, and go again.
If they waste all of there chakra what will they maintain the barrier with?

Idk what the AL, Blue Hair, and Tobi will do, I guess they can organise the attacks and when to retreat.

Hidan doesn't even need Kakuza, as he is actually multiples faster than any one in the Avatarverse and can just go up and slice the heck out of anyone. His sacrifice is not needed. THey definantly won't kill him either.
They could burn his arms and legs to nothing but bone, because he is just a guy that cant die

Kakuza won't be touched. He just flames attacks as well.
Wow you are stupid. You mean spam attacks not flame. And he is the only one who would actually do alot of damage to the fire nation. Azula's lightning > Kazkuza's skin thou

Sasori has no possible of dying and can go around killing at least 300 per second. Lets see, in a minute that 18000. One hour is 1,080,000. Do you really think a 1,000,000 is alot for him. He doesn't even need to kill that much considering Deidara's village blowing bombs and Kisame's lake jutsus as well as Kakuza's wide spread attacks that could clear some forest in a couple shots.
300 per second is bull shit. more like 12-24 per second. And he doesnt have eyes in the back of his head so he would have constant blind spots. Also incase you havent noticed Fire> scroll paper.

I HOPE Oro wasn't included. Gammabunta and Jiraiaysa huge fireball did not even affect Manda, no way would Fire benders puny fire do anything. Manda can just go in mass rape mode and go around and kill people just by passing by. Orochimaru can also summon two other snakes almost as big as Manda.
Firenation has creature to if you havent noticed

Seriously, all this while the Fire Benders are too slow to attack as well as having to way of being able to hurt these guys.

Akatsuki rapestomps easily.
Just proved you are a idiot


I was to lazy to edit in so i just posted a new post and bolded it

[Steven Pinhead]

You probally better, seeing as that other guy sure didn't do too well with starting you off.

Funny, cause he basically said the same things I did. You people are just illiterate morons

[wheres the beef?]

uh no...

Sasori got defeated by a teeny bopper and an old woman... his arrogance will lead to his defeat, or hundreds of FN soldiers spamming fire at him or sacrifice themselves to distract him while Azula kills him with lightning.
and I dont think Deidara would use C4, unless he wants to kill his comrades too, nevertheless Azula will just shoot a lightning bolt at him while he is distracted by the Fire Nation War Balloons.
Hidan will die quickly, Kakuzu would be a big problem since you have to kill him 5 times, of course Ozai can just blast him with fire endlessly until he is completely turned to ash, of course with the support of his Firebenders to either, sacrifice themselves or distract.
Kisame is not in his element.
Itachi will be a pain since he could just mass Genjutsu, then again Azula could just zap him with lightning, while his attention is elsewhere, like the others.

umm...sakura+chiyo is the perfect anti sasori team if you think about it :oh

[atom]

Sasori solo's. Sasori makes a Iron Sand block as big as the moon. Crashes it onto the Fire Nation. The end.

[Grandmaster Kane]

Funny, cause he basically said the same things I did. You people are just illiterate morons

no i didnt :mad

did i? *goes to reread posts in questions*

[auron55]

Sasori solo's. Sasori makes a Iron Sand block as big as the moon. Crashes it onto the Fire Nation. The end.

why didint sasori do that when he got raped by sakura and his granny?

[Kage no Yume]

If Akatsuki plays their cards right they can easily take out the Fire Nation. You have to remember the main advantages they have over every Fire Nation fighter: Speed and stealth.


Assassinating the leader and key government figures would be nothing for Akatsuki. And an army with no leader within a country that's been thrown into chaos is going to be worthless in the hunt for 10 people who can easily disguise themselves if they feel like it.

If they can't find Akatsuki's main base (and even if they could, they'd never be able to figure out a way in), and if they're not actively hunting Akatsuki down, there's no way for them to kill a single member. Overcoming the enemy with numbers doesn't work when the numbers are scattered about with little to no leadership.

Add in the option of using henge to take the place of Ozai, and Akatsuki could easily blame the death of other government figures on a coup and start wiping out towns or brigades, with the Fire Nation's own army, for suspicion of treason.

Meanwhile you've got mass killings happening every couple of days with Deidara blowing up an entire town with C3, Orochimaru sacrificing a few troops to Manda (who in turn could annihilate a large number of people with ease), Sasori wiping out platoons and towns left and right, Kisame turning forts into lakes, Kakuzu letting loose with his destructive jutsu, Hidan hunting down remaining Generals and other priority figures, etc...

Escaping after an attack would be easy given speed advantages, henge, doton, and the number of hidden secure bases Akatsuki usually keeps.



All in all, if they play it smart (as Pein surely would) they could probably reduce the Fire Nation's population by half in a couple of months. Give them 6 months to a year and they should be able to turn the Fire Nation into a barren wasteland.

[Metric]

Kisame (floods) + Sasori (took down country) + Deidara (nukes) = fire nation owned.

[Halcyon Days]

akatsuki. fire aint gonna stop Hidan or Itachi, and lets not even mention Kisame or Kakuzu, Akatsuki stomps a mudhole

[thegoodjae]

Originally Posted by thegoodjae
Akatsuki in a RAPESTOMP

With out a time limit, running away and killing wouldnt be so hard.

Numbers mean nothing with no way to hurt the Akatsuki.


Enough ants can bring down a elephant. It is calling swarming.

Wow, horrible post. Eleplants can't fake death with henging, fly away, or run away multiples faster, eleplants also can think for themselves like the Akatsuki as well as eleplants don't have effective teammates. No wide spread jutsus for them either. lol, I guess you think an Akatsuki member is an elephant now? ha.

Wow, almost all post here are the worst I saw.
Wow I see your to cool for grammer huh?
I see you are too cool to make sense?

For the ones that say why can't they solo Konoha and Kakashi and them, I just think you guys are the worst posters ever.

Kakashi and them were dangerous, because they can actually hurt him, reach him, and fight.

Konoha has NINJAS like TSUNADE, GAI, KAKASHI.

Fire nation has normal humans running that can control fire, but not accelerate the speed of the fire moving to the point where an Akatsuki can not easily dodge.
Did I miss 100 or so chapters in naruto? Because at last count The akatsuki lost 5 members. Something about that tells me they arent to good at dodging.

Akatsuki rapestomps this.

Exactly how the hell are the Akatsuki getting hurt? They have better reaction time by far and would never get hit. Their wide-spread jutsus are too much.

Ok we have seen what, 2 Wide spread ninjutsu out of the akatsuki so far. AND 1 OF THEM WAS A FUCKING SUICIDE JUTSU

Are you stupid? Kakuza's attack is a wide spread jutsu. Kisame's lake is. Deidara's village exploding bomb used against Gaara is. Thats what, 7? Kakuza has 5 after all.

Kisame 30% was spitting out a lake like nothing. Guess what that means? He can storm lakes and they all die.

Because we all know Kisame could flood the entire continent of the fire nation if he wanted to

Lol not really, but he can flood main cities causing mass eruption to the order of the army, as well as kill major generals in that area.

Remember when Jess was gonna flood the Fire nation and he was stopped. Kisame won't be stopped.

1. His name is Jet 2. He was gonna flood a firenation outpost. 3. They stopped him because he was gonna kill innocent earth nation people who lived in the city

lol as you proved nothing but that flooding does work.

Kisame can take at least half the population with I say 5 lakes, and then run away with his superior speed and wait till he regains charkra.
None of Kisame's lakes shown so far have been even 1 mile in diameter. So sorry try again

Yet the fire nation lost to all surround a city that is center by a hill, what would happen if he spams there? Mass corruption. Akatsuki can be in sync with 10 people. Fire nation can't. Civilians will also be their downfall. He can also *gasp* run away and come back! Forgot to post answer for that huh?

The tanks are utterly useless of the Fire Nation seeing as they are only used for climbing and Fire Benders use it only to protect themselves. The thing itself does not have a real gun.

Do you even wacth the show or do you like shounding like a idiot?

I watch the show. I make sense. You don't

Itachi himself goes around slaying Fire Nation one by one. He will never get hit. He can make a bunch of Kage bushin explosives and kill in massive amounts. He slayed people without being TOUCHED once. Those are ninjas who can jump around trees and fight faster than the eye can see. These are normal people with the ability to control fire.

1. Not faster then the eye can see 2. Itachi hasnt been hit because of 3 things He is a master of the art of the run away like a pussy, Kishi has a uchiha fetish, and of course PnJ

Yes Faster than the eye can see, Kakashi who has a combat speed to go faster than the eye can see, can barely keep up with Itachi even with an enhanced reaction time with the sharingan. All I here is blablabla I hate Itachi so PnJ PnJ. Kishi is a Uchihawhore, but he is also the writer. He made them strong so stop whining.

Deidara can go around blowing up stuff endlessly.

You dont even really read naruto do you? Deidara's clay is specail. It takes time to infuse it with the amount and type of chakra needed for him to do his jutsu. He cant even make mass amounts of it. Even if he could he would have to go mine clay constantly because of the amount of soliders he would have to kill.

Obviously I do read, that is why I believe they will win easily. He has all the time he wants. He can FLY. Fly FAST. I hope you really don't go into a pathetic arguement saying he doesn't have more clay back at a camp I already said the Akasuki can easily make. I also was assuming Akatsuki was prepared for attacking. Running out of clay back at camp is at most pathetic.

Akatsuki can make an inpenetrable base like they did last time, which the Fire Nation will have nothing to break through an invisible barrier.

1 word.... Seige

lol, stupid usage of the word. With an invisible barrier and no way of knowing the Akatsukis bases whereabouts, wtf are they gonna exactly "seige" How is fire or flung rocks going to heck take out the Akatsuki barrier as well? LOL

If the Akatsuki has such a hide out, they can basically waste all charkra, then come back, rest, and go again.

If they waste all of there chakra what will they maintain the barrier with?

Haha, are you mental? They maintain it with a tags like they did last time. People don't constantly waste charkra, once the barrier is set, it is there. This is true, or else all of them could not go out at once or use their charkra to extract a bijuu, which all preticipate in.
Idk what the AL, Blue Hair, and Tobi will do, I guess they can organise the attacks and when to retreat.

Hidan doesn't even need Kakuza, as he is actually multiples faster than any one in the Avatarverse and can just go up and slice the heck out of anyone. His sacrifice is not needed. THey definantly won't kill him either.

They could burn his arms and legs to nothing but bone, because he is just a guy that cant die

Haha, they can but they won't. Truth is, he won't be hit or burned all at once. He can take one burn at a time. Nice job just saying, they gonna hurt him as an arguement.

Kakuza won't be touched. He just flames attacks as well.

Wow you are stupid. You mean spam attacks not flame. And he is the only one who would actually do alot of damage to the fire nation. Azula's lightning > Kazkuza's skin thou


LoL at thinking Azula actually has the range to attack Kakuza with her lighting before she gets killed by one of his jutsus. OH YEAH, none of them have a lighting jutsu but her. Once she is dead, he is prety much invincible.

Sasori has no possible of dying and can go around killing at least 300 per second. Lets see, in a minute that 18000. One hour is 1,080,000. Do you really think a 1,000,000 is alot for him. He doesn't even need to kill that much considering Deidara's village blowing bombs and Kisame's lake jutsus as well as Kakuza's wide spread attacks that could clear some forest in a couple shots.

300 per second is bull shit. more like 12-24 per second. And he doesnt have eyes in the back of his head so he would have constant blind spots. Also incase you havent noticed Fire> scroll paper.

He took down a country. Well, I am not thinking he whips out his scroll paper while fighting? Lets see, perhaps, before? Not everyone is as rash and inprepared as you. All the soldiers are bunched together. His puppets move at super human speed. Just once touch and due to poison, they are paralyzed as well as dead in three days. 300 per second isn't hard to believe if you actually THINK about it.

I HOPE Oro wasn't included. Gammabunta and Jiraiaysa huge fireball did not even affect Manda, no way would Fire benders puny fire do anything. Manda can just go in mass rape mode and go around and kill people just by passing by. Orochimaru can also summon two other snakes almost as big as Manda.
Firenation has creature to if you havent noticed

Seriously, all this while the Fire Benders are too slow to attack as well as having to way of being able to hurt these guys.


You pretty much resorted to, they gotta hurt the Akatsuki, which is a terrible arguement.

Akatsuki rapestomps easily.
Just proved you are a idiot

Your post seriously suck. You fail hard.

My first comments are in italic, yours in just normal, my response in bold. You seriously need to lurk more or learn how to debate.

[G-Man]

Their only goal is to kill everyone in the Fire Nation?

Do they still fight strategically or are they just mindless killing machines now?

If they fight strategically they win. Just go into hiding, assassinate the Fire Lord, use genjutsu to take control of key miltary leaders, and make those leaders drive their troops into suicidal battles gainst the Earth Nation troops. They get the bonus of nearly destroying the Earth Nation too.

I laugh at the average Fire Nation soldeir = average jounin comment. Average Chunin, maybe (and even then I'd take Mizuki, Koutetsu, Izumo, or Iruka over the average Fire Nation soldier). Actually, we've seen no name Chunins do the whole move so fast ypu vanish trick so no, I'd take even the average Chunin over the average Fire Nation soldier. Even srcub Sound Chunin.

[master bruce]

Akatsuki wins easy.


they have powers that when all of them are fighting at once will crush the firenation's army.

Imagine all 9 members of the "Big A" on the battlefield at the same time and all using their jutsu's,superspeed(for those who possess it), superabilities, and their kekki genkai. plus, they are all capable of killing superhuman shinobi that greatly out number them without even using real effort. Keep in mind that avatarverse fighters don't have anywhere near the superhuman level speed or agility of the narutoverse.
I didn't even mention that genjutsu could easily be casted, causing the firenation's warriors to begin fighting themselves or stepping off a ledge that appears to be solid ground or anything the genjutsuist wants to decieve their eyes with.

Itachi,kisame, and hidan could trio this match against the entire fire nation.


the machines are too slow to hit either of them, the warriors are severely lacking skill or any physical attribute to give the the chance of surviving,much lee, actually winning against these 3, all the fire bending will do is miss everytime or hit a substitute or a weak clone.

Hell 1 decent kisame clone could kill probably 1000 of the firenation by itself.
they could easily call in the Akatsuki bomb specialist(you know who) and boom its over with.


It won't take half of Akatsuki to win.

Add the earth bending nation to this and we might have a fight.
Fire nation is whack.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

are we forgeting that the fire nation now has air balloons, image thousands among thousands in the air dropping fire and shit. also not to mention the tanks, only person I see destroying those are itachi,kakuzu, maybe sasori and deidara. Kisame cant do any thing to them but flood, not destroying them. Also if the fire nation can drag this fight long enough for the Sozin comet... its pretty much over for every akatsuki member besides kakuzu(doton) and maybe sasori.

[Steven Pinhead]

Okay, here's the way Fire Nation wins.


Rain of Arrows will kill all but Sasori.

Tanks will simply run over Sasori, curshing his heart.

[Ion]

I second that....although not competely since sasori got beat by a old lady and a little girlA kage level "old lady" that knew most of Sasori's secrets, and a "little girl" that can cause craters with her punches.

Plus, Sasori let himself be beat.

[Guy Gardner]

Akatsuki loses due to sheer numbers. But a few things:

Are these Hot Air balloons armed with anything? Hell, what does it matter: A ninja like Deidara will take those out of the sky in droves, and they won't even know what happened.

Crappy tanks are being immensely overrated. People in Avatar don't move nearly as fast as what we've seen in Naruto. Not even close. Trying to get a tank to track a Naruto Nin will be an absolute effort in futility. Sasori would actually be fairly useful here, because he does have poison gas, and Fire Country tanks don't look anything close to being sealed. Besides, Deidara with his bombs (disguised as animals) will have a field day with them, and Kakuzu's mega combos will turn them into ovens or even metal slag, let alone hitting them with some lightning and frying them that way. Or Kisame can just flood the damn road and drown them in their metal boxes, or even roll them over with the force of a tidal wave. You guys seem to overestimate what are essentially VERY primitive tanks against small, fast-moving, hard-hitting targets.

I have a lot of trouble believing that Akatsuki can solo a country as big as the Fire Country, though. Kill the leaders, definitely. But eventually they'll get tired and screw up if we are talking just a single battle. It's just too much.

[thegoodjae]

J&R I love your post but, I think you forget something. Itachi graduated from the academy. He has been able to Kage Bushin too. He can simply Kage Bushin an then henge a soldier, and then go find where Zuko's dad is, and then assassinate him then take his appearance. Than he can order all destruction on weapons. Then he can order death to anyone who stays in the city. Then everyone can be evacuated. Then Deidara can destroy all valuable resources to eat. Remember how Akatsuki were able to make seals and make invisible barriers? Well, pretty much if any one of them runs out of Charkra, they can go back. I doubt they will be tailed. They can also fake their death with bushins. Well, read my whole arguement on the other page please.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

J&R I love your post but, I think you forget something. Itachi graduated from the academy. He has been able to Kage Bushin too. He can simply Kage Bushin an then henge a soldier, and then go find where Zuko's dad is, and then assassinate him then take his appearance. Than he can order all destruction on weapons. Then he can order death to anyone who stays in the city. Then everyone can be evacuated. Then Deidara can destroy all valuable resources to eat. Remember how Akatsuki were able to make seals and make invisible barriers? Well, pretty much if any one of them runs out of Charkra, they can go back. I doubt they will be tailed. They can also fake their death with bushins. Well, read my whole arguement on the other page please.

personally I think if the fire lord starts to act funny the others will know and catch on, but that doesn't even matter because takeing out the fire lord is easier said then done, dont you think he is protected by gaurds like other lords and even if itachi gets past him the fight will be loud and alot of destruction will be done....itachi will be found out, unless he does this serectly, he wont be able to pose as the fire lord...but thats just a thought.

[thegoodjae]

lol yet they don't catch on to the people that are brainwashed by that lake?/

lol of course he will do it secretly. He killed everyone in his clan secretly and left. It won't be too hard. Aang and a bunch of kids get pass the Fire nation's guards all the time even with out a Henge.

Itachi will definantly get the kill and he can henge.

Itachi isn't dumb, he will do it slowly but surely. lol, I see you put just a thought in the end because you realise what I said is going to happen. I liked the debate though, at least you and Gecko had some response instead of Steven Pinheads "shoot arrows" response.

[Guy Gardner]

Well, there is no debate that they can kill the Lords. Naruto Ninjas, at their hearts, are all insanely skillful assassins. Guards won't pose much of a problem for someone like Itachi, who could henge as a lord and walk past, genjutsu them so they don't even know he's there, or simply kill them without much problem. Killing the Lord in silence might be something to reserve Tsukuyomi for, which would almost definitely work (Or at least leave him in position to be disposed of quickly).

As for masquerading as him, it'd take a LOT of research and time. I'm sure he could do it, but he'd have to shadow him for a few months to do it any justice. There are little quirks

And I'll maintain that massacring the entire Nation would be too much for them. They'd kill a ton, but eventually numbers will win, if only on stamina alone.

[thegoodjae]

That is why I think they can set up a base. They can actually take over the main city and regain stamina their as well as block the entrances by flooding with Kisame. I was thinking more of taking over the land and driving them out and then mass murder while securing a base. There is no time limit.

Once the main Lords are killed, mass confusion would be brought about for the Fire Nation causing fights against each other while the guardss having no one to look up to. In the end, it would be just endless easy killing if they just kill the main lords. Regular soldiers seeing such power would only flee and organising an army to ambush or attack at once against the Akatsuki would be futile.

[Steven Pinhead]

lol. Warcraft universe has city busters.


That's not what you said in my Warcraft vs. Narutoverse thread, where you seemed to think the pathetic speed of almost every Naruto character was enough to kill said city buster.

[Wuzzman]

people who don't have any military understanding shouldn't post on this type of subject were clearly, tactics, numbers, sheer resources and SCALE of the battle would have to be considered. Looking at all that, fire nation easy.

[Kage no Yume]

people who don't have any military understanding shouldn't post on this type of subject were clearly,

Those who don't take into consideration all factors of a match are bound to have a flawed argument :amuse.

tactics

Yes, the Fire Nation is full of tactical geniuses is it not? Of course, it's inability to track down and eliminate a 10 year old boy, a couple of water tribe teens, and a giant flying ox sure speaks of great assassination skills and wonderful management. Of course they'll easily be able to find all of Akatsuki's hidden and secured hideaways in which any member who has need of it can rest and recuperate. Not to mention breaking seals and barriers they have absolutely no experience with.

numbers

You seem to be under the impression that Akatsuki will wage an all out attack on anything they come across and will fight until they drop from exhaustion :huh.

Pein was already speaking of taking over the world by controlling wars between nations. I'm pretty sure he'd have enough common sense to use the enemies' ignorance against them. Taking out and replacing Ozai might require a bit of time, but if they assassinate the rest of the top tier in the Fire Nation at the same time, no one would ever suspect that a ninja had magically transformed himself to resemble their leader 100%. From there, they could easily turn the Fire Nation's power against itself. They could either have the main army destroy suspected towns or brigades for "treason", or they could raise a coup against "Ozai" and essentially start a large civil war within the nation.

The point is no matter how large the army, without guidance they might as well be lambs waiting to be slaughtered.

sheer resources

That's actually a blow against the Fire Nation. As Aang and the others have shown, survival in the Avatar verse is quite easy. Even if you're face is on wanted posters everywhere and your stealth skills are nigh nonexistent.

Akatsuki usually wanders in pairs as S-class criminals. They have no trouble at all living off the land, and going days without sleep/food/drink.

The Fire Nation's armies depend, as all large armies do, on supplies. Centralized supplies given the scale and from what we've seen in Avatar. What would happen if Sasori, Itachi, or any other member decided to destroy or poison the supplies? The army would suffer greatly. Akastuki would be unaffected.

and SCALE of the battle

Deidara blowing up an entire town/brigade with C3, Orochimaru sacrificing a few platoons to Manda (who in turn could annihilate countless soldiers with ease), Sasori wiping out brigades and towns left and right (he actually has experience with taking down countries :amuse), Kisame turning forts into lakes, Kakuzu letting loose with his destructive jutsu, Hidan hunting down remaining Generals/leaders and other priority figures, etc...

They may not be able to take down a force of hundreds of thousands (Deidara/Orochimaru might be an exception to that), but I'm sure they'd be able to deal with a few thousand at a time before being forced to retreat for a bit.

Escaping after an attack would be easy given speed advantages, henge, doton, and the number of hidden secure bases Akatsuki usually keeps.

Looking at all that, fire nation easy.

Again, if the Fire Nation can't take out Aang, Toph, Katara, Appa, Sokka, and Momo, there's an absolute 0% chance that they'll have an easy time with Akatsuki.

If Akatsuki plays their cards right I think they'd be able to commit the mass genocide the TC has proposed. It might take them a while, but given that they were willing to wait years to gather all the bijuu, they should be able to tolerate a mission of such epic proportions.

[Ion]

Actually, one of the Fire Nation's top admirals(I forget his name) caught Aang quite easily, and could have ended the entire series right there.

Also, Azula staged a beautifully done coup against the Earth King in Ba Sing Se, and also could have easily ended the entire series right there, as well.

One could argue that the only reason that the Fire Nation wasn't able to quell their resistance, throughout the series, is because of the obvious plot influences.

But one could also argue that the entire reason that Aang escaped the first time(Zuko disguised as the "Blue Spirit"), is indicative of bad management and lackluster security.

[Banhammer]

depedns, if Itachi makes the mistake of using amataseru. they'll use those flames since they can use and expand existing heat, and obliter Aka from exsitence. Then uchiha rapes the avatar spirit and destroys avatar world

[thegoodjae]

lol at no Wuzzman not being able to respond to my post worth crap.

Steven Pinhead, I messed up that thread. It is kinda funny that you have to pull out one of my mess ups in a thread just because you can't argue worth crap against me in this thread.

Anyways, no one really even had at explanation that hasn't been crushed down so Akatsuki win easily.