Future Ben and Gwen vs. Nami and Luffy.

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Everyone is bloodlust

[Suzumebachi]

Ben and Gwen.

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I have to diagree, Nami could take Gwen if she made any mistakes, not to mention that Nami is probably more clever then Gwen, Luffy with gears would outspeed everything Ben has except that one alien, and Gear 3rd would out power everything he has except that red four armed one.

[Suzumebachi]

Maybe. Gwen wasn't all that powerful.

And Luffy likely can't hope to hurt Diamondhead.

He's faster than XLR8 too.

But the main problem I see here is Diamondhead. Him and Heatblast.

[Wuzzman]

Doesn't Gwen learn magic......

[Suzumebachi]

Not very good magic.

[Protect_The_Butter]

Does Luffy have some kind of mental protection from Ghostfeak.

[Suzumebachi]

Ben doesn't have Ghostfreak anymore.

[Blix]

Ben doesn't have Ghostfreak anymore.

He does have 9986 other forms to make up for it though...

[FreddyFalcon]

luffy and nami easily win. no compitition.

[Manchester Black]

Ben doesn't have Ghostfreak anymore.
Actually he does.He got him back towards the end of Season 3.

[ViЯaL]

Omni=All so he's got every alien wheter he knows it or not (he aint limited to 10,000 more then likely),
Probably even one that is basically God In a mortal form

Future Ben Might already have something like this anyway...

But Using Cannon Material:

Luffy would win If he attacks ben before he transforms into XLR8 and raeps everyone while casually transforming into 4arms to deal damage when he gets close and Diamondhead to shank him

If Its on the seas he goes ripjaw and sinks the ship, leaving luffy to die while he beats on Nami

[Wuzzman]

wow...I knew there was a reason why my 4 year old cousin loves that show.

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Omni=All so he's got every alien wheter he knows it or not (he aint limited to 10,000 more then likely),
Probably even one that is basically God In a mortal form

Future Ben Might already have something like this anyway...

But Using Cannon Material:

Luffy would win If he attacks ben before he transforms into XLR8 and raeps everyone while casually transforming into 4arms to deal damage when he gets close and Diamondhead to shank him

If Its on the seas he goes ripjaw and sinks the ship, leaving luffy to die while he beats on Nami
If Luffy attacked, Gwen could use a spell to defend Ben while he turns into XLR8 and speed blitz Luffy, but then he goes Gears, then Ben goes Diamond head, then Luffy goes 3rd Gear, then Ben goes Ghostfreak and mind rapes. So ja

[Random Nobody]

Future Ben wins eventually thanks to Diamondhead.

[Masaki]

Well, I gotta be fair here, Luffy may not be able to beat future Ben. Him having XLR8 and Diamondhead's just one problem, but you also gotta think about the Cannonbolt, which is pretty difficult to stop. Not to mention I can't see Luffy hitting Grey Matter, who can easily outsmart him (and we all saw what happened when he fought Usopp). Plus, Four Arms has a good amount of strength on him, which can only be beaten by the Gears. Plus he may have trouble touching Ghostfreak and Heatblast.

However, if he uses Stinkfly, Benviktor, or practically any others, Luffy wins with ease. Especially Benviktor. Upchunk is questionable.

Nami and Gwen are probably equal. However, Nami can probably dodge most of Gwen's spells while creating a thunderstorm.

[mystictrunks]

Ben doesn't have Ghostfreak anymore.

He got him back in some episode, though I'm not sure if future Ben would have it.

I see Luffy vs Ben ending with Luffy impaling himself on Diamondhead or getting frozen by that one cold alien. After that he'll go and beat on Nami for Gwen.

[Suzumebachi]

Stop saying XLR8 speedblitz.

Luffy is faster than him.

Not to mention I can't see Luffy hitting Grey Matter, who can easily outsmart him (and we all saw what happened when he fought Usopp).


Is that why he has to hide from everything when he's Grey Matter? To avoid pwning them too bad?

Plus, Four Arms has a good amount of strength on him, which can only be beaten by the Gears.

What strength has Four Arms shown that would put him above base Luffy? Even East Blue Luffy?

[Wuzzman]

hmmm doesn't XLR8 moves so fast that he treds water....doesn't four arms use tree's as baseball bats....

[Suzumebachi]

Yes. So what?

[Masaki]

Yeah, that's true. I guess those two wouldn't beat Luffy. Of course, Luffy would have to Gear 2nd in order to beat XLR8.

Grey Matter would easily outsmart Luffy, given the right surroundings.

So, I guess Diamondhead, Ghostfreak, and Heatbolt are the only ones who stand a chance of the aliens we know of.

However, you have to remember that Future Ben transforms with ease, so Four Arms or XLR8 could get in a few good shots if Luffy doesn't see the transformation coming (most of his enemies so far have had predictable fighting styles, though not predictable attacks; however, Future Ben has 10,000 ways of fighting, so even the weaker aliens have to be taken into account here for the element of surprise).

[Tash]

If antone here has seen the Ben10 movie then you know that Ben could use the huge Ultraman Alien and toss luffy into space like he did vilgax. There is no way that luffy is gonna outspeed XLR8 have you seen the show? Luffy out strengths every thing ben has except the ultraman thing (I cant think of the name.) I'm not sure about Nami and Gwen.

[Suzumebachi]

Luffy outspeeds XLR8 for sure. His max speed is 500mph

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Luffy outspeeds XLR8 for sure. His max speed is 500mph
Thats normal ben, Future Ben's is signifcant'y faster, even though there is no way to guage. How fast is geared Luffy? Luffy speedblitz in short bursts. So its faster, however XLR8 could move in short bursts and be alot faster too.

[Suzumebachi]

however XLR8 could move in short bursts and be alot faster too.

Ummm...what?

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Ummm...what?
Moving at short bursts, you can be alot faster, hence while people can sprint faster then they can jog a mile.

[Tash]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnitrix#XLR8
This says that normal Bens XLR8 does more than 500mph future ben is faster than normal ben so Ben takes this in speed too.:nod

[Suzumebachi]

How much faster?

Luffy's faster than normal Ben too.

[Tash]

Luffy outspeeds XLR8 for sure. His max speed is 500mph

Thats his max my previous link says that XLR8 does more than that, and that is normal XLR8 not future XLR8 who out sped normal bens XLR8. does it really matter exactly how much isnt faster than his max enough.

[Suzumebachi]

No. Its not enough.

[Tash]

Lol. Ok you win this time Suzu XLR8 and luffy tie in speed. I give up.

[Suzumebachi]

If antone here has seen the Ben10 movie then you know that Ben could use the huge Ultraman Alien and toss luffy into space like he did vilgax.

Recall Luffy vs Dorry the Blue, Luffy vs Laboon, Luffy vs various Seaking

[Tash]

Except that WayBig ben could stomp everything there except Laboon who wasnt really even exceptionally powerful. WayBig ben picked up and tossed vilgax who was heavy and sturdy enough to take a full tackle from a max speed XLR8 and didnt even flinch. Until I see someone in OP knock someone out of the atmosphere Waybig takes luffy.

[Kameil]

Gear two rapestomp....

[Blizzard chain]

The newly unlocked one ben recieved threw vilgax into deep space like a baseball...
Four arms has thrown people through giant spaceships from large distances away with enough force to crash them
The ice dude he gets later could freeze luffy if he gets in a hit
The best way for ben to win would be to go giant and wait out g2 or g3.

Nami I haven't considerd yet.

[Kazuma the Shell Bullet]

We don't know enough about future Ben to judge accurately.

[Art of Run]

Ben solos. He has about.. a shit load of other aliens that he has not shown.

[chequemaite]

Ben and Gwen wins (hey, it rhymes!!)!!