Space Marines vs. Naruto Ninjas

[The Anti-Existence]

Warhammer 40K's powerful Space Marines with full equipment and abilities.

Which ninjas can 1 Marine defeat?
Which ninjas can 20 Marines defeat?

[Spy_Smasher]

Barring genjutsu, one Space Marine can defeat 99% of ninjas. Only the ninjas that can do high levels of physical damage and can penetrate the power armor stand a chance ie. Deidara, Sasori, Naruto, Kakashi, maybe a handful of others.

20 Space Marines can beat anyone in the Narutoverse.

[The Anti-Existence]

Well, I'm just watching an ep of Naruto and this Haku guy is using his mirror techniques. I haven't seen the end of the ep yet but Kakashi said there's no way to destroy it and Haku said he moves at lightspeed.

Could be the Dub, though. No idea what the original Japanese says.

[Gaelek_13]

Which ninjas can 1 Marine defeat?

98% of the Narutoverse.

Which ninjas can 20 Marines defeat?

Nothing can stop a full squad, it'd take everything they've got to kill one Marine alone yet alone a full twenty.

[The Internet]

ROFL ok if you think Haku attacked at Lightspeed you need to kill youself. Useless hyperbole statements annoy the hell out of me.

I really doubt anyone sans the very very very top strongest can defeat a lone marine. 20? a squad could destroy the narutoverse

[The Anti-Existence]

It's funny that Naruto is underrated on its own forum.

And overrated on the other ones.

Popular opinion determines fact more than facts do.

How would a Marine do against oen of those water bubble things Zabuza could do? Any feats of one of them breaking out of such restraints?

[The Internet]

It's pointless to even discuss because Zabuza would be dead when the Marine saw him.

And then it depends. No way in hell could Zabuza cut through his armor.

[The Anti-Existence]

Can't he use his mist powers and cloak himself from site long enough to activate the ability? Or use a water clone? The Marine should have zero knowledge of such powers.

How fast are Marines in reaction speeds? Feats?

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Ok...this is ri-godamn-diculous. Any Jounin level nin would slaughter 10 marines. Nin move faster and their techniques are very powerful.

Anyway....
Nearly every nin above Chuunin could kill a marine.

Any, Kage, Akastuki, or bloodlusted Jounin would tear 20 marines a new asshole. The Space Marines are powerful guys but they only have accelerated reaction times, upped strength and have been trained in advanced battle tactics. Not one has displayed super human speed or techniques that any Naruto nin has shown us.

[Crimson King]

The Narutoverse is doomed.

A single Space Marine can take over almost the whole narutoverse. The 20? Everyone in Narutoverse dies.

[The Anti-Existence]

Can you explain to me why?

The sheer variety of the Narutoverse seems like it would annihilate any Single marine.

[Crimson King]

Can you explain to me why?

The sheer variety of the Narutoverse seems like it would annihilate any Single marine.

A space marine is so pumped up with enhancements he can lose an arm and fight as though nothing had happened. Strength won't do much, since a space marine can lug around a depowered set of armor, which weighs around 800 pounds, while running uphill.

The bolters can also tear through pretty much everything in the Narutoverse.

[The Anti-Existence]

If it's a matter of strength and power, Tsunade could annihilate them. She is WAY stronger than them.

[Fulong]

One Space Marine is just enough for the narutoverse.

[Darklyre]

If it's a matter of strength and power, Tsunade could annihilate them. She is WAY stronger than them.

Except that their armor has adamantine in it, which is the same material used in starship hulls. Hell, their chainswords have adamantine teeth, and the moment you add power weapons or anything above a basic bolter the Narutoverse has problems. Really, the best the Narutoverse can aim for is to try and run the Marines out of ammo, and somehow use Kakashi's MS/Deidara's uberbomb or something along those lines to wipe them out. They're NOT going to win in a firefight.

Also, I'm assuming this is just a basic squad of regular non-Scout marines. Toss in an apothecary, librarian, chaplain, Grey Knight, Techmarine, or damn near any other special unit, and the Narutoverse is fucked.

[Crimson King]

No, let's have fun. Let's toss in a Land Raider and a few terminator squads smile-big

[Gaelek_13]

Ok...this is ri-godamn-diculous. Any Jounin level nin would slaughter 10 marines. Nin move faster and their techniques are very powerful.

Anyway....
Nearly every nin above Chuunin could kill a marine.

Any, Kage, Akastuki, or bloodlusted Jounin would tear 20 marines a new asshole. The Space Marines are powerful guys but they only have accelerated reaction times, upped strength and have been trained in advanced battle tactics. Not one has displayed super human speed or techniques that any Naruto nin has shown us.

They don't fucking need speed or Jutsu when their armour renders them nigh invulnerable to all harm.

Can't he use his mist powers and cloak himself from site long enough to activate the ability? Or use a water clone? The Marine should have zero knowledge of such powers.

How fast are Marines in reaction speeds? Feats?

A Marine is carrying a Heavy Bolter that's basically a very, very heavy gun and is attacked by a Genestealer. These things are hyper evolved killing machines that move like quicksilver and are bullet timers - futuristic bullets - and the guy is able to raise his very heavy gun and shoot it dead.

Virtually point-blank range.

[K I S K E]

I seriously don't see this marine bastards surviving the Suna Invasion...

[The Internet]

You should disregard my comment as I'm an ignorant little shit who has limited knowledge on 40k.

Oh ok, thanks for informing us.

[FireEel]

I am a lover of the Warhammer 40k lore and game, but this is utterly ridiculous!

Space Marines are not Tyranids, I know they can fight Tyranids, but being able to fight Tyranids on par temperorily doesn't mean Space Marines = Tyranids.

If the Narutoverse is allowed knowledge that the armor of a Space Marine is nearly invulnerable, and going for the head is a much wiser choice, as well as the fact the space marines have powerful guns, this are the things that could easily happen.

Random gennins, chunnins get taken out quickly and easily like flies. Random jounins survive slightly longer, may do some damage with elemental jutsu and the like, but still get taken out by superior firepower.

Who could most likely kill a single space marine?

Sasuke - He could speedblitz the space marine(dun give me the bullshit that Space Marines can handle a guy who is fast enough to cut a powerful cursed seal 2 monster a dozen times from 20 metres away without anyone noticing, who can take on a thousand ninjas without getting scratched once. Once Sasuke has speedblitz the marine, he can either cleave the head off, or penetrate the armor with chidori-ranged(I know the armor is thick and powerful, but it has indeed been pierced before, no reason to assume chidori wun pierce it).

Jiraya - He's stupid and careless at times, but a serious Jiraya would totally fuck up a space marine with his area-of-effect jutsus, as long as he avoids the guns.

Orochimaru - Same reasoning as Jiraya.

Kakuzu - I know that he has 5 hearts and a space marine can take out all 5 quickly, but granted I doubt that when Kakuzu spreads out, even the explosive rounds can hit his heart easily, his elemental jutsu then finish the space marine off.

If Genjutsu is allowed, any high-speed genjutsu user can kill a space marine.

[The Anti-Existence]

Does Kakashi have a chance?

[Metric]

Some people are really underestimating the Space Marines/ have no actual knowledge of what they can do.

FYI, a Space Marine has the following enhancements:
- an extra heart for stamina
- strengthened skeleton, with the rib cage fused together
- modified platelets which allow near instant clotting at wounds
- brain implant that means they can go without sleep
- a third lung
- an ear implant that renders them immune to nausea and dizziness
- skin implants to make them resistant to radiation and extreme temperatures
- an implant to filter toxins/poisons
- an organ which allows the Marine to tract organisms by taste

Kunais, shurikens and exploding tags are gonna do shit against the power armour. Maybe Chodri could pierce it, but then again, unless the Chidori goes through the head, the Marine can survive traumatic wounds easily.

The only jutsus i can see killing the marine are FRS, Chidori, Amaterasu and Desert Coffin (or one of its variants).

And this talk of speedblitzing is crap because of the marines advanced targeting sensors, and no matter how fast you are in Narutoverse, you're not gonna outrun a bolter round.

[Crimson Dragoon]

http://forum.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=113986

It's been done, as you can see. Sixteen fucking pages of it.

[TWF]

I just need mah tanto.

[Rice Ball]

Marines have the reaction time to gun down Tyranids and Harlaquins as they charge etc, Ninja speed shouldn't be too much of an issue. They would have to use stealth to attack the marine(you know, like real ninja's/assasins), not speed.



Ofc the average Ninja would lose to an Average Marine.
A top Tier Naruto character might be able to win against a single Marine (Kakashi, Jiraya, Oro, Kakuzu etc would stand a good chance) not through a direct conflict, but using there skill and experience.

I doubt any single Naruto character would be able to beat 20, even ones like Jiraya who have powerful AoE moves would fall to numbers of these super soldiers.

[Niko Bellic]

Narutoverse wins lol.

[Spy_Smasher]

Does Kakashi have a chance?He's one of the few that does, yes, against a single marine. He'd better spam bunshins, though, and hope that a marine's scanners can't tell the difference because there's no marine who'll let him stand around and use his MS space-warp. Other than the MS, Kakashi has never demonstrated a jutsu capable of harming one. Maybe chidori, but I'm skeptical.

Against 20 marines, he's fragged.

Again, this is barring genjutsu. Keep in mind that even the lowliest marine has some level of psychic resistance. If that helps against genjutsu, I have no idea.

[Arishem]

Some people are really underestimating the Space Marines/ have no actual knowledge of what they can do.

FYI, a Space Marine has the following enhancements:
- an extra heart for stamina
- strengthened skeleton, with the rib cage fused together
- modified platelets which allow near instant clotting at wounds
- brain implant that means they can go without sleep
- a third lung
- an ear implant that renders them immune to nausea and dizziness
- skin implants to make them resistant to radiation and extreme temperatures
- an implant to filter toxins/poisons
- an organ which allows the Marine to tract organisms by taste

Kunais, shurikens and exploding tags are gonna do shit against the power armour. Maybe Chodri could pierce it, but then again, unless the Chidori goes through the head, the Marine can survive traumatic wounds easily.

The only jutsus i can see killing the marine are FRS, Chidori, Amaterasu and Desert Coffin (or one of its variants).

And this talk of speedblitzing is crap because of the marines advanced targeting sensors, and no matter how fast you are in Narutoverse, you're not gonna outrun a bolter round.

It's not even certain that Chidori can pierce Power Armor. The suits the Astartes wear routinely shrug off lasbolts repeatedly to the same area. These same bolts can punch through rock walls with enough energy remaining to blow a huge chunk out of a human torso or punch through a couple feet of water and still have enough energy to vaporize a yard long fish (10-20kg), which is a tremendous feat for a portable directed energy weapon. Bolter rounds are said to be many times more powerful than laspistol or lasgun shots.

In Horus Rising, the Luna Wolves Space Marines chapter was fighting on a planet with highly volatile weather, and one of their own was struck by its mega lightning. It left him in a glassed crater a couple meters deep and wide, but the only thing bruised was his ego due to his friends busting his balls for getting knocked on his ass. Space Marines in power armour also routinely run through rockcrete (think a more durable form of concrete) walls like they were made out of paper. Desert Coffin isn't going to do shit to this stuff.

Space Marines are also incredibly strong. They dish out blows that reduce rockcrete walls to microparticles as shown in Sons of Fenris. Just imagine what the same would do to a human body. An casual blow from one in Nightbringer exploded a man's face like a point-blank shotgun blast. Normal people are literally torn to pieces when they fight Astartes.

In terms of reaction time, they see normal people in slow motion and can even dodge bullets by following a person's movements. They can also fight Tyranids in hand to hand combat who are described by normal people as "an indecipherable blur of teeth and claws." Finally, Space Marines can follow and shoot things that normal people can't even track with their eyes. Naruto ninjas should be no problem.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/marines_organs.html This is the official list of Space Marine organs and what they do.

[TWF]

I just need mah tanto and I slaughter them.

[atom]

Sasori destroys any amount of marines.

Magnestism > Guns, bullets, armor, etc.

Sasori solos

[Arishem]

Magnetism doesn't effect armor made of highly advanced ceramic composite armor. Space Marine weapons are made of similar substances. Unfortunately, he get's raped just like any other Naruto ninja, and their weapons will turn him into firewood. A Space Marine Librarian will just mind rape him.

[TWF]

Shodai commands the Bijuu to crush these whelps.

[Arishem]

The crusier in orbit introduces the bijuu to high gigaton level weaponry.

[atom]

Magnetism doesn't effect armor made of highly advanced ceramic composite armor. Space Marine weapons are made of similar substances. Unfortunately, he get's raped just like any other Naruto ninja, and their weapons will turn him into firewood. A Space Marine Librarian will just mind rape him.
Yeah, except that Sasori's magenstism doesn't have to be on metal, he he has to do is put a grain of iron sand on them and he has complete control and just commands one space marine to destroy the other ones and rinse and repeat. Not to mention that bullets wouldn't work on him to begin with since Sasori is that strong and all.

If he does somehow get damaged then he will just repair himself. Also, Sasori cannot be mind raped. Mind techinques do not effect him. Sasori cannot die. He lives to pwn you. Sasori just makes a glob of Iron sand as big as the planet and destroys the planet and goes to other planets and galaxies destroying them until the until Warhammer verse is in Sasori's command.

Obviously. Sasori solo's.

[Crimson Dragoon]

You're trying too hard to become the next Jplaya. It's not funny nor amusing, so it's best to just stop.

[atom]

You're trying too hard to become the next Jplaya. It's not funny nor amusing, so it's best to just stop.
Unlike you guys, I could care less about jplaya. ANNNYWAY. Sasori wouldn't lose to a mere space marine.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Lasguns are powerful enough to blast a man to pieces and can penetrate feet of concrete. Bolters, which SMs carry, are far stronger. I think Sasori would get pasted.

[atom]

Sasori is made out of steel, not to mention that in the very unlikely case that he does get hit, he can just transfer to another puppet or repair himself and he will be just good as new.

Sasori just makes iron sand on a atomic level and makes it travel through the air and they breath it and they automatically die. There is no way to survive. Or in a worst scenario Sasori gets destroyed, but since his puppets are human puppets they just repair him. There is no way Sasori can lose!! Heh

[TWF]

Prove that Sasori can make Satetsu on an atomic level. Oh wait, that power of magentism belongs to Sandaime Kazekage, not Sasori.

[Darklyre]

Poison does jack shit to Space Marines. The pre-Heresy Death Guard used to drink lethal poisons for fun, instead of alcohol. About the only poisons a Space Marine MIGHT be susceptible to are Chaos-tainted ones and Tyranid venoms.

[TWF]

Or chakra poisons////sarcasm.

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Originally Posted by Joe Gear http://forums.narutofan.com/images/buttons3/viewpost.gif (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=9484301#post9484301)
You should not ignore my post because i'm teh l3373s7 mofo ever.
OMG! Joe Gear you are right! You pwn my soul because i'm a big fuckin' baby that needs to grow up and learn that not everyone thinks liek me!You learn quickly young padawan...

[atom]

Prove that Sasori can make Satetsu on an atomic level. Oh wait, that power of magentism belongs to Sandaime Kazekage, not Sasori.
Oh wait, Sasori can completely control the Sandaime Kazekage...

Poison does jack shit to Space Marines. The pre-Heresy Death Guard used to drink lethal poisons for fun, instead of alcohol. About the only poisons a Space Marine MIGHT be susceptible to are Chaos-tainted ones and Tyranid venoms.
Sasori's poison is beyond lethal, is super lethal. Can space marines survive super lethal poisons? I think not. Sasori solo'ss

[Crimson King]

I'm posting here because I'm an ignorant fuckwit that likes to spam. Ban me!

Comic Book guy, grant this guy his wish please.

The only think that can possible take out a single Space Marine would probably be Kakashi's dimension dump. unfortunately for him, he;ll be shot to death before he can get close enough to use it.

The 20 Space Marines will butcher them all, especially if one of them is a Librarian. If they are Grey knights, the slaughter just increases. If one of them gets a Land Raider, nothing in the Narutoverse can hurt them at all.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Comic Book guy, grant this guy his wish please.

The only think that can possible take out a single Space Marine would probably be Kakashi's dimension dump. unfortunately for him, he;ll be shot to death before he can get close enough to use it.

The 20 Space Marines will butcher them all, especially if one of them is a Librarian. If they are Grey knights, the slaughter just increases. If one of them gets a Land Raider, nothing in the Narutoverse can hurt them at all.

If they're Grey Knights, they could take on the Kyuubi and win. Those guys specialize in high-level daemonic threats.

[Gaelek_13]

Oh wait, Sasori can completely control the Sandaime Kazekage...

That doesn't provide proof of him using Satetsu on an atomic level y'dingbat.

Sasori's poison is beyond lethal, is super lethal. Can space marines survive super lethal poisons? I think not. Sasori solo'ss

Actually I beg to differ.

In Storm of Iron a Space Marine Captain was able to assess that a tablet contained not only several poisons but also several highly toxic viruses that would eventually cause cancer. The regular human troops were tricked in to taking these to shield them from the toxic air. The SM explains his kind have a special organ that allows them to compensate for poisoning and that the air that is supposedly toxic is actually perfectly clear to breath.

Sasori's poison ain't doing shit, that's assuming he can penetrate the armour to actually get it in them.

[atom]

lol @ ur serious answers. More witty responses.

That doesn't provide proof of him using Satetsu on an atomic level y'dingbat.
Even so, he could control it to the grain, which is small enough to stick it up their nose and kill them easily. Or break that grain up into lots of pieces and making it smaller and smaller until its atomic muahaha.

In Storm of Iron a Space Marine Captain was able to assess that a tablet contained not only several poisons but also several highly toxic viruses that would eventually cause cancer. The regular human troops were tricked in to taking these to shield them from the toxic air. The SM explains his kind have a special organ that allows them to compensate for poisoning and that the air that is supposedly toxic is actually perfectly clear to breath.
Your point? Its not Sasori's poison, so its moot.


Sasori's poison ain't doing shit, that's assuming he can penetrate the armour to actually get it in them.
He doesn't need poison, just use chakra strings to control a space marine and shoot the other ones, rinse and repeat.

[atom]

lol @ ur serious answers. More witty responses.

That doesn't provide proof of him using Satetsu on an atomic level y'dingbat.
Even so, he could control it to the grain, which is small enough to stick it up their nose and kill them easily. Or break that grain up into lots of pieces and making it smaller and smaller until its atomic muahaha.

In Storm of Iron a Space Marine Captain was able to assess that a tablet contained not only several poisons but also several highly toxic viruses that would eventually cause cancer. The regular human troops were tricked in to taking these to shield them from the toxic air. The SM explains his kind have a special organ that allows them to compensate for poisoning and that the air that is supposedly toxic is actually perfectly clear to breath.
Your point? Its not Sasori's poison, so its moot.


Sasori's poison ain't doing shit, that's assuming he can penetrate the armour to actually get it in them.
He doesn't need poison, just use chakra strings to control a space marine and shoot the other ones, rinse and repeat.

[The Internet]

You learn quickly young padawan...

You know, I'd bother with you further and enjoy my self, but seriously, this is the SECOND time you have posted in a thread when you have very limited knowledge on the participants. When you don't argue with ignorance, I'll reply to you again.

[Crimson King]

*snip x4*

m-m-m-monster post!

[TWF]

Just out of curiosity, are we talking about the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K right?

I just bought The Founding, is that a good book to start getting to Warhammer 40K?

[Crimson King]

Just out of curiosity, are we talking about the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K right?

I just bought The Founding, is that a good book to start getting to Warhammer 40K?

Nah, start with the game Dawn of War.

[TWF]

I don't have a video/graphics card currently....

[Darklyre]

Dawn of War is much better for getting the overall atmosphere. I mean, you can't really understand WH40K until you hear them scream "FOR THE EMPEROR!" and "PURGE THE UNCLEAN!" before brutally massacring cultists.

Also, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

[Crimson King]

Ork: WWWAAAUUUUGGGHH!!!

The opening scene is just awesome. (That guy got a chunk of his neck shot out and still kept moving)

[TWF]

Seriously, what are the books that follow The Founding? I need a list because I am seriously confused by the story chronology.

[Arishem]

The Founding is an excellent place to start reading WH40k. It covers the Tanith First and Only regiment of Imperial Guard, who are the bread and butter, non-superhuman soldiers of the Imperium. Dan Abnett is the author and is currently considered the Black Library's best author. He excels at gritty action, character development, and weaving interconnected stories.

There are currently eleven books in the Gaunt's Ghost (the Tanith First and Only's nickname) series. The Founding is the first Omnibus (compilation novel) that contains the first three titles in the series. The second compilation book, The Saint, is coming out in a couple weeks and contains the next three. It's best to wait for 40k book Omnibuses because you're getting three books for only twelve dollars.

If you want to read about The Adeptus Astartes aka Space Marines, the Ultramarines Omnibus, The Soul Drinkers Omnibus, The Space Wolves Omnibus, and Let The Galaxy Burn are all great places to start. The Eisenhorn Omnibus is about Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn, one of the toughest bastards in fiction. It truly shows how deadly the secret police of the IoM are. Some of his feats include exchanging twenty blows in a swordfight within an instant and knocking bullets away with his sword.

[FireEel]

This is getting ridiculous.

I love Warhammer, and I 've read the chapter where a single Space Marine fought off over a hundred cultists.

I know Space Marines are the "we dun take no bullshit from some stupid cultist ninja, we just shoot them dead and complete mission" kind of hardcore super-super soliders.

But you are dealing with ninjas that can control your movement(Ino), ninjas who can create a tsunami(Kisame), ninjas who can rape you with AoE(Kakuzu, Jiraya), ninjas who can fight over a thousand ninja taking no hits(Sasuke), ninjas who have a demon(NOT DAEMON!!! Naruto and Gaara) and so on and so forth.

The only chance I sense for Space Marines are to constantly eat the brains of ninjas they kill(thus gaining their memories and knowledge) then formulating a plan to counter ninja abilities.

[Arishem]

FireEel, you are seriously overestimating the power of Naruto attacks and underestimating the durability of Power Armor. None of the attacks shown so far would do shit asides from something from a Bijuu, Amaterasu, and Kakashi's dimension transfer. None of the Naruto ninjas can stand up to Bolter rounds or any of the other standard stuff Space Marines carry. Calcs done on Spacebattles have determined that nothing short of a tank round would be able to punch through their suits.

Kisame's water generation wouldn't do shit to Marines. Power Armor is completely sealed off from external forces. Ino's mind transfer isn't going to work against people who can resist the mental assaults of daemons. None of Kakuzu's or Jiraiya's AoE attacks have shown enough concentrated force to get through Astartes defenses. The Ninjas who have demons aren't anywhere near as durable or powerful as the beings they contain. Gaara fucking stands still during most of his fights. His dinky sand shield isn't even going to stop lasbolts, let alone Bolter rounds. He and Naruto would get reduced to hamburger before they could do anything.

[Spy_Smasher]

But you are dealing with ninjas that can control your movement(Ino), ninjas who can create a tsunami(Kisame), ninjas who can rape you with AoE(Kakuzu, Jiraya), ninjas who can fight over a thousand ninja taking no hits(Sasuke), ninjas who have a demon(NOT DAEMON!!! Naruto and Gaara) and so on and so forth.Ino doesn't even get to make a handseal before a bolt rips her in half, literally, based on her feats.

However, it is true that the other ninjas you listed would have a fighting chance against a single, average Space Marine but they'd have to put up their best showings and even then they might lose. It's just a matter of firepower, range and toughness where the Space Marines have it over the Narutoverse in spades. The Naruto nins would have to bust out their absolute most powerful attacks and not get hit at all. It's a tough road to hoe against much more agressive, well-trained and experienced opponents.

[Rice Ball]

While i believe the Marine would win.

Please don't forget, Naruto is the only Ninja in the series dumb enough to jump down, make a massive scene and then do hand seals infront of an enemy. The spaces marines enemys are NINJA's, ninja use stealth and deception for 90% of there battle.

[Cabbage Cabrera]

You know, I'd bother with you further and enjoy my self, but seriously, this is the SECOND time you have posted in a thread when you have very limited knowledge on the participants. When you don't argue with ignorance, I'll reply to you again.I love how you assume you know what i do and don't know....:laugh

[TWF]

So what, The Founding is actually the first three of a twelve book series?

[The Internet]

I love how you assume you know what i do and don't know....:laugh

Well you make it blatantly obvious.

[TWF]

Space Marines hit pretty damn hard don't they?

[Pipboy]

Yes I would say thats a safe assumption.

[Darklyre]

While i believe the Marine would win.

Please don't forget, Naruto is the only Ninja in the series dumb enough to jump down, make a massive scene and then do hand seals infront of an enemy. The spaces marines enemys are NINJA's, ninja use stealth and deception for 90% of there battle.

Are we watching the same anime/reading the same manga? I could count the number of times the Narutoverse has used stealth on one hand.

1. Zabuza Arc.
2. Chuunin Exams (Shikamaru only).
3. Save Sasuke Arc.
4. Kakashi Gaiden.
5. Shikamaru vs. Hidan.

And yes, Space Marines hit HARD. Those guys will run right through rockcrete walls without even slowing down and fight multiple Orks in hand to hand (and Orks are powerful enough to break Space Marine armor using nothing but their strength and crude metal choppas).

[TWF]

Will I really enjoy reading The Founding/first Omnibus of WH40K?

[Pipboy]

Don't forget that the orks are psychicly changing reality through the agency of the waaagh!

[TWF]

Will I really enjoy reading The Founding/first Omnibus of WH40K?

Repeats and what should I look forward to in the first trilogy? Any notable moments of awesome or bad-assness?

[Arishem]

These are just some moments I can think of off the top of my head.
1. A small group of ragtag Tanith First and Only giving the arrogant Jantine Patricians (they're from one of the core worlds) a huge ass beating. These two Imperial Guard regiments have a really bitter rivalry.
2. A wet behind the ears Tanith outsmarting and destroying a Chaos Space Marine Dreadnought, which is a huge automated sarcophagus that noteable Space Marines with ruined bodies are given so they can keep on fighting.
3. Commissar Gaunt taking on a chosen of Chaos and his infamous demon servants who can dimension flicker. I think it's another scene where a dozen or so swordstrikes are dealt in only a second.

[TWF]

That sounds awesome. But you said that the Imperial Guards < Space Marines right? What enhacements, strengths and skills do the Guards possess?

And how powerful is the Commissar?

[Arishem]

It's more like Space Marines >>> IG, but they're still utter badasses. Everything in 40k is wanked when compared to most verses. The Tanith First and Only are peerless trackers, infiltrators, and scouts. Their home world Tanith had living forests that would constantly move around, and most of their recruits would hunt within them, so the First and Only have an innate knack for moving through confusing territory without losing track of their direction or where they currently are. It's also even more impressive because they're only human, and that talent is the only thing left they have of their world.

They're called the First and Only because Tanith was attacked by a huge Chaos fleet on the day of their founding. Instead of letting them fight and die in a pointless battle, Gaunt decided to have the troop ships jump out of the system. This is also the reason they're called "Gaunt's Ghosts." They have no home to return to and fight just to get back at Chaos. Many of them hate Gaunt for forcing them to live instead of letting them fight and die with their world, which creates some interesting relationship dynamics.

[TWF]

But how powerful is the Commissar??

[Arishem]

Ibram Gaunt is just a total badass. Commissars are given the best training in strategy, marskmanship, and HtH combat. It's his job to maintain the morale of his regiment and to punish incompetence. He's survived numerous battles in one of 40k's most vicious campaigns to take back the Sabat worlds back from Chaos. That alone is an accomplishment by itself. The sword he received in Necropolis is basically alive and allows him to surpass human limits when the fighting gets up close and personal.

[Gaelek_13]

Your point? Its not Sasori's poison, so its moot.

No it's not a poison made by a Ninja, it's a poison created by high-tech scientists from the 41st Millennium that was strong enough to kill a human slowly over time and subtle enough to make the cause appear to be natural.

A fucking futuristic poison > Sasori's poison

Oh and my point is that poison - any poison - ain't doing shit to a Space Marine my friend. Nurgle, a God unleashed The Destroyer, his most potent plague of all on the Death Guard and they didn't die because their bodies were too hardy.

You want to say Sasori poison > A God of Disease's best plague too?

He doesn't need poison, just use chakra strings to control a space marine and shoot the other ones, rinse and repeat.

And of course his comrades are going to stand still whilst their comrade blows them away one by one? Get a grip!

Assuming Sasori can even move a Space Marine with Chakra strings he's a static target himself and can be shot to pieces in seconds. Even if he did somehow control one the Marine is going to resist him with beyond human strength and his mates will waste him/Sasori before it matters.

[Rice Ball]

Are we watching the same anime/reading the same manga? I could count the number of times the Narutoverse has used stealth on one hand.

1. Zabuza Arc.
2. Chuunin Exams (Shikamaru only).
3. Save Sasuke Arc.
4. Kakashi Gaiden.
5. Shikamaru vs. Hidan.

And yes, Space Marines hit HARD. Those guys will run right through rockcrete walls without even slowing down and fight multiple Orks in hand to hand (and Orks are powerful enough to break Space Marine armor using nothing but their strength and crude metal choppas).

How meny times in the Manga have you seen any Ninja's perform assasination missions against a non ninja?
Look at Kakashi's first lesson he gave team 7, he told them that stealth and timing were the basics (this is when Naruto wanted to fight him head on).

[TWF]

Ibram Gaunt is just a total badass. Commissars are given the best training in strategy, marskmanship, and HtH combat. It's his job to maintain the morale of his regiment and to punish incompetence. He's survived numerous battles in one of 40k's most vicious campaigns to take back the Sabat worlds back from Chaos. That alone is an accomplishment by itself. The sword he received in Necropolis is basically alive and allows him to surpass human limits when the fighting gets up close and personal.

So he's above Space Marines?

[Arishem]

No, I wouldn't go that far. A Space Marine would probably destroy Gaunt in a one on one fight with his overwhelming physical advantages. Commissars are probably some of the best human and non-psyker generalist fighters asides from some Inquisitors, Elite Imperial Guard and Inquisition Shock Troopers. Imperial Assassins from either the Vindicare, Callidus, Culexus, or Eversor Assassin Houses are most likely even more dangerous than your average Space Marine. Ragnar Blackmane, one of the baddest Astartes out there, commented that an Assassin was stronger and faster than he was.

[Darklyre]

The various Imperial Assassins are nuts. Eversors are so hyped up on combat drugs that they blow up when they die. Culexus assassins are literally soulless, and naturally invisible to people (everyone gets so subconsciously freaked out at them that they just tend to look away), and they get nigh-immunity to psykers as well. Callidius assassins are about as good a shapeshifting ███ as you can get, since they've been disguised as everything from Tyranid Genestealers to Eldar. The only one remotely normal is the Vindicare, who has been brainwashed to think purely in terms of combat maneuvers (literally, they constantly think of the most efficient way to kill everything and everyone around them, 24/7).

[TWF]

Besides the Space Marines and Imperial Guards, what other units are introduced in The Founding:WH40K Omnibus?

[Wuzzman]

The creator of naruto stated that the reason why the technology in the naruto verse doesn't include guns is because bullets are faster then any ninja's reaction time/speed. Space Marine wins sorry...

[FireEel]

The creator of naruto stated that the reason why the technology in the naruto verse doesn't include guns is because bullets are faster then any ninja's reaction time/speed. Space Marine wins sorry...

Narutoverse not being able to dodge bullets doesn't mean they cannot fight space marines, it simply means most of them are gonna die, and the top tier are gonna put up one helluva fight.

And judging by the amount of Warhammer talk going on here, this is turning out to be more of a Warhammer worship thread :notrust I love Warhammer...but meh.

[Wuzzman]

If you can not dodge bullets, and you have no means of taking cover (from what I know about the bolt guns), then you die.....I mean unless you overcome their reaction time, and from what I read naruto ninja < space marines, then your screwed. You will have to be constantly giving your enemy false targets to shoot at and even if you do survive you have to get past the armor and as far as I know only kakashi MS would work.

[Rice Ball]

The creator of naruto stated that the reason why the technology in the naruto verse doesn't include guns is because bullets are faster then any ninja's reaction time/speed. Space Marine wins sorry...

Thats a complete Lie.
The reason guns aren't in Naruto is because Kish stated he wanted to use authentic Ninja weaponary, and there would be little point a Ninja using Shurikans/Kunai when a rifle is available.
Suggest you re-read that interview.

[Wuzzman]

Thats a complete Lie.
The reason guns aren't in Naruto is because Kish stated he wanted to use authentic Ninja weaponary, and there would be little point a Ninja using Shurikans/Kunai when a rifle is available.
Suggest you re-read that interview.

That is because bullets move faster then ninja's duh. Why use a gun that has major ammo/reload issues when everyone can dodge a bullet? Why would rifles replace shurikans and kunai if using a rifle wasn't a far superior weapon?

[Spy_Smasher]

Just so everyone can make up their own mind. Maybe it's an unnecessary bump. This thread seems pretty much concluded, but there ya go.

One thing I love about Naruto is how it's hard to tell when it takes place. People wear slippers, but then there are zippers on their clothes and they have telephone poles. What are thing we'll never see in Naruto - Computers, guns, planes?
I haven't really made up those specific rules, so there may be airplanes and some other vehicles, but absolutely no guns. Bullets fly at supersonic speeds, so there's no way that your shuriken could compete. As for computers, maybe, but they'd be low-processing computers.

[Blood Raven]

So how about this, what would the Space Marines do against the 9 tailed beasts? smile-big

[TWF]

How about a couple Chaos Space Marines vs the Bijuu?

[Arishem]

A group of average CSM aren't going to be able to take out a Bijuu unless they're armed with some really nasty weapons. If they were all armed with lascannons, plasma guns, meltaguns or rocket launchers, the traitors might just be able to pull it off, but they're usually not that heavily armed. It's possible though depending on the chapter. Now it's entirely possible if they have vehicles; the Iron Warriors would blow the hell out of a bijuu with their possessed artillery.

For that reason, I'd suggest replacing them with CSM Sorcerors or Champions. The former would probably be able to capture/enslave it with a spell, drain its powers, or summon a greater daemon or daemon prince to take it out. Champions tend to have force weapons, which destroy your soul with a lethal hit. The said weapons might not have the desired effect, but I'm sure they'd cause the tailed beasts pain and injury.

Chaos Terminators would also make a great choice. Normal marines in that armor can survive being stepped on by 500 ton Warhound Titans. They also carry the heaviest weapons possible for any infantry. Any SM is already huge to begin with, but those equipped with Tactical Dreadnought Armor also more commonly known as Terminator Armor are like walking tanks. CSM Termies are monsters.

[Gaelek_13]

No, I wouldn't go that far. A Space Marine would probably destroy Gaunt in a one on one fight with his overwhelming physical advantages. Commissars are probably some of the best human and non-psyker generalist fighters asides from some Inquisitors, Elite Imperial Guard and Inquisition Shock Troopers. Imperial Assassins from either the Vindicare, Callidus, Culexus, or Eversor Assassin Houses are most likely even more dangerous than your average Space Marine. Ragnar Blackmane, one of the baddest Astartes out there, commented that an Assassin was stronger and faster than he was.

In Traitor General Gaunt and his team take on five Chaos Space Marines and he kills one of them with surprise and their leader with a fair bit of effort as I recall. They take all five of them out but Gaunt comments they were lucky and that entire armies had been known to run at the prospect of facing just a few Chaos Marines.

[TWF]

A group of average CSM aren't going to be able to take out a Bijuu unless they're armed with some really nasty weapons. If they were all armed with lascannons, plasma guns, meltaguns or rocket launchers, the traitors might just be able to pull it off, but they're usually not that heavily armed. It's possible though depending on the chapter. Now it's entirely possible if they have vehicles; the Iron Warriors would blow the hell out of a bijuu with their possessed artillery.

For that reason, I'd suggest replacing them with CSM Sorcerors or Champions. The former would probably be able to capture/enslave it with a spell, drain its powers, or summon a greater daemon or daemon prince to take it out. Champions tend to have force weapons, which destroy your soul with a lethal hit. The said weapons might not have the desired effect, but I'm sure they'd cause the tailed beasts pain and injury.

Chaos Terminators would also make a great choice. Normal marines in that armor can survive being stepped on by 500 ton Warhound Titans. They also carry the heaviest weapons possible for any infantry. Any SM is already huge to begin with, but those equipped with Tactical Dreadnought Armor also more commonly known as Terminator Armor are like walking tanks. CSM Termies are monsters.

I'm on page 86 and I'm curious. Twice Gaunt and his Ghosts have fought Iron Warrior Charter Chaos SM's. Is that a chapter of the Chaos or was that a former regiment of the Emperor that was infested by the Chaos? :confused

And you should replace your sig with a SSD or Elcipse-SSD. :noworry

[Spy_Smasher]

tbh, I think a single Space Marine with a heavy weapon could probably take one of the lesser Bijuu with a good effort and a bit of luck or prep. The bijuu will not shrug off Space Marine heavy weapons so if the Marine could manage to get off the first shot and keep up a barrage ... maybe.

Anyway, a single squad of five Space Marines with heavy weapons should be enough for any Bijuu.

[The Anti-Existence]

That is because bullets move faster then ninja's duh. Why use a gun that has major ammo/reload issues when everyone can dodge a bullet? Why would rifles replace shurikans and kunai if using a rifle wasn't a far superior weapon?

I'll just highlight what Mad Titan said and you obviously missed when you quoted him.

"The reason guns aren't in Naruto is because Kish stated he wanted to use authentic Ninja weaponary"

Guns would be worthless against people who vanish and re-appear with their speeds, anyway.

[Cy]

Or, more likely then that, there would be so few ninjas that would be able to survive to become fast enough to not die instantly to guns that there wouldn't be enough for one village left, much less several. Jounin levels may be able to dodge some bullets, but anything lower would die instantly. And I'm talking normal guns, not WH40K super guns. If all the bandits had guns, then you wouldn't be able to send anything less then jounins or they would get stomped.

As for who would win... 100 space marines would be able to take Earth with less then 10 casulties while destroying the entire military of all nations and killing most of the population. 20 space marines could likely take on most of the US military and win if they had infinite ammo and standard weaponry (krak and frag grenades, bolters, bolt pistol, random knife, etc). A unit of 20 space marines could reduce Gama Bunta to a pile of meat within seconds. They can walk up to a tank and tear the hatch off with their bare hands as if it were nothing. 20 Space marines could take over the Narutoverse with no trouble at all. As for destroying it... with normal warfare, they could probably rout the Narutoverse army due to the number of casulties and stuff effecting moral, but if both sides were fearless and stuff, then the ninjas would win.

I think of spacemarines as sorta like the Spartans from the Halo books, only tougher, stronger, and faster.

[Darklyre]

I'm on page 86 and I'm curious. Twice Gaunt and his Ghosts have fought Iron Warrior Charter Chaos SM's. Is that a chapter of the Chaos or was that a former regiment of the Emperor that was infested by the Chaos? :confused

And you should replace your sig with a SSD or Elcipse-SSD. :noworry

All Chaos Space Marines belong to one of the nine traitor chapters. There were eighteen original Space Marine chapters in total, one for each of the Primarchs, each chapter having many thousands of Space Marines. The Horus Heresy split them into two sides of nine. After the Heresy, the Imperium decided that Space Marine chapters were too powerful as a large force, so they decreed that each chapter could have at most 1,000 men. All nine loyalist chapters were splintered into multiple chapters (called the Second Founding), with some further geneseed mutations (hence why the new chapters aren't identical to the originals). However, Chaos had no such restrictions, so they were able to keep their chapters at pre-Heresy levels, excluding casualties. That's why you get so many different loyalist chapters and so few Chaos ones; there are nine original and many new loyalist chapters, but there are still only nine traitor chapters.

[Gaelek_13]

All Chaos Space Marines belong to one of the nine traitor chapters. There were eighteen original Space Marine chapters in total, one for each of the Primarchs, each chapter having many thousands of Space Marines. The Horus Heresy split them into two sides of nine. After the Heresy, the Imperium decided that Space Marine chapters were too powerful as a large force, so they decreed that each chapter could have at most 1,000 men. All nine loyalist chapters were splintered into multiple chapters (called the Second Founding), with some further geneseed mutations (hence why the new chapters aren't identical to the originals). However, Chaos had no such restrictions, so they were able to keep their chapters at pre-Heresy levels, excluding casualties. That's why you get so many different loyalist chapters and so few Chaos ones; there are nine original and many new loyalist chapters, but there are still only nine traitor chapters.

Not true, many other Chapters from other Foundings also defected to Chaos, though none of the original true Foundings have gone over to Chaos since the Horus Heresy.

[TWF]

Naruto ninjas have teh genjutzu!

[Arishem]

O yah?! Well, a Grey Knight can resist the focused mental assault from a being (Ghargatuloth, Daemon Prince of Tzeentch) that caused the populations of multiple planets to insane just by its entrance into reality. Itachi ain't got shit on that, biotch!

[Darklyre]

Not true, many other Chapters from other Foundings also defected to Chaos, though none of the original true Foundings have gone over to Chaos since the Horus Heresy.

Really? I know a few chapters have been struck from the record by the Inquisition, but I thought that they were usually destroyed long before they ever got to the Eye of Terror. Also, you never ever hear about them. It's always one of the original nine traitor chapters that's ruining peoples' shit.

[atom]

Magnetism > Bullets

That is all.

[Art of Run]

What type of marines? I remember reading something about the Grey knights also being a chapter.

[Cy]

Grey Knights are pretty much better versions of a standard marine.

Now if we really hated the Naruto Ninjas, we'd make them fight a Grey Knight Grand Master with a Psycannon. I don't believe we've seen anything that could hurt one. You could even debate about whether or not Kakashi's Sharingan could get through his Aegis.

[Endless Mike]

Wasn't there something in fluff about Space Marines visually tracking bolter rounds mid - flight? That would put their reaction times way above anyone in Naruto.

[Gaelek_13]

Really? I know a few chapters have been struck from the record by the Inquisition, but I thought that they were usually destroyed long before they ever got to the Eye of Terror. Also, you never ever hear about them. It's always one of the original nine traitor chapters that's ruining peoples' shit.

True, a lot of them are 'struck off' or listed as lost and a few of them have made it to the Eye of Terror.

Thing is they tend to break up and merge with the main Traitor Legions since they're always keen to bolster their numbers with willing warriors.

In Storm of Iron one of the main Iron Warriors has been made with Imperial Fist gene-seed so the Traitor Legions would have few qualms about taking on new renegades.

Magnetism > Bullets

That is all.

Prove that the Kazekage puppet could effect anything other than his Satetsu with his Chakra and I might be convinced.

[atom]

True, a lot of them are 'struck off' or listed as lost and a few of them have made it to the Eye of Terror.

Thing is they tend to break up and merge with the main Traitor Legions since they're always keen to bolster their numbers with willing warriors.

In Storm of Iron one of the main Iron Warriors has been made with Imperial Fist gene-seed so the Traitor Legions would have few qualms about taking on new renegades.



Prove that the Kazekage puppet could effect anything other than his Satetsu with his Chakra and I might be convinced.
The Kazekage puppet controls magnetism, not sand, the iron sand itself is just a perk.

[Gaelek_13]

The Kazekage puppet controls magnetism, not sand, the iron sand itself is just a perk.

He grasps and controls Iron Sand which is static. I highly doubt he could stop a hypervelocity shell coming for Sasori's head....