Harry Potter vs Nara Shikamaru

[Paul the SK]

Current Harry Potter vs current Nara Shikamaru.

Niether of them know about eachother's abilities. Shikamaru dosn't get any Hidan-esque prep time.

[Dio Brando]

Where does it take place?

[Graham Aker]

Harry points wand at Shikamaru
Shikamaru: what the hell? hahaha!(he doesnt really laugh, but a dorky boy pointing a stick at you is kind of silly looking)
Harry: Stupefy!
Shikamaru knocked unconscious...
Harry wins...

seriously though, that scenario isnt so unbelievable...
but a Sectumsempra ought to do it, all Harry does is wave his wound and say the spell and Shikamaru gets slashed...

[Blix]

If its in woods, Shikamaru wins. If in the plains then, harry will probably wins.

[Dark Evangel]

Harry has higher chances of winning if they fought in a place where there is less shadow.

[Spy_Smasher]

Why does Harry get to attack but Shika stands around? Harry is way fucking stomped in any scenario against Shikamaru unless the terrain is completely open or they start very far apart. Shika wins ninety-five times out of a hundred.

[Nia]

Harry has, like, one spell that could actually hurt Shika (this is assuming he doesn't use Avada Kedavra). Shika on the other hand can use a whole bunch of kunai/shurikens/exploding tags, any of which will kill Harry easily. Not to mention any Naruto ninja will be way stronger/faster than a wizard. So, Shikamaru FTW.

[chequemaite]

Interesting battle, but Shikamaru wins.

[Gunners]

Harry has fast reaction time, I don't see Shikamaru beating him if Harry decides to get ruthless.

[Nero]

this one made me lolz...but im going with shika...

[Graham Aker]

Harry's reaction time is quite good, he's dodged Bludgers and spells which are just as fast or perhaps even faster than kunai's or shuriken's etc.(Bludgers can travel at 100 mph, speed based on it being able to keep up with Harry's Nimbus 2000)

he also has a good set of eyes to spot the Golden Snitch that can go as fast as 150 mph.(speed could be greater, and is based on the speed of the Firebolt in 3 seconds)

plus, he can Apparate.
he gets behind Shika via Apparition and petrify him or something.

[Sasori]

lol Apparition > Hiraishin :lmao

[Dog Rapist]

At first I was like 'WTF? CurbRaep!' but then I took a closer look, and I have to say, most scenarios favor Shikamaru. That said, however, in an open area, there is a high chance Harry actually takes this. All this depends on who attacks first. I mean, Shika can't dodge Sectumsempra: hell, Sasuke can't dodge Sectumsempra. However, how does he cast when he's being Kage Kubishibari'd, eh?

[Graham Aker]

At first I was like 'WTF? CurbRaep!' but then I took a closer look, and I have to say, most scenarios favor Shikamaru. That said, however, in an open area, there is a high chance Harry actually takes this. All this depends on who attacks first. I mean, Shika can't dodge Sectumsempra: hell, Sasuke can't dodge Sectumsempra. However, how does he cast when he's being Kage Kubishibari'd, eh?
Shikamaru's shadow thingies arent undodgeable(unless you are in a place that has a lot of shadows, like in a forest)... Harry could easily Apparate before it reaches him and Shika is fucked...

[Spy_Smasher]

As if Potter would even see the shadows coming. He'd be dodging a hail of kunai when *blink* he's trapped. Shika, on the other hand, is not going to mistake the wand for anything but a weapon -- not when Harry is busy pointing it in his direction.

gg Potter

[ShinobiOneKenobi]

Probably more because i dont like Harry potter.. i would expect Shikamaru to win.. but i think if Shikamaru caught him in his shadow.. Harry potter would be finished

[txsfld]

harry is not man enough to kill someone shika wins!

[Graham Aker]

As if Potter would even see the shadows coming. He'd be dodging a hail of kunai when *blink* he's trapped. Shika, on the other hand, is not going to mistake the wand for anything but a weapon -- not when Harry is busy pointing it in his direction.

gg Potter
Apparate > that scenario...

[LayZ]

I may be a little biased but...

Shikamaru can figure out how to defeat any fool who continuously goes back to the same school where he is terrorized every year.

[Spy_Smasher]

Apparate > that scenario...Yeah, cause when Harry is in combat, he's always apparating around everywhere. :huh

[Nanatsurugi]

If it is forest, them Shikamaru wins. If it is a field, Shiakamru wins with difficulties. Anyway, I don't know what current Harry is, I only watch movies.

I may be a little biased but...

Shikamaru can figure out how to defeat any fool who continuously goes back to the same school where he is terrorized every year.

lol that was cool :sag

[Steph-Yamanaka]

Harry Potter will definetley win cause he's the greatest wizard of all time

+ he's well sexy <3

[Jizz]

Harry Potter, spectrum whatever would kill Shika in a heart beat.

[shikamaru_1990]

If it's in a field with not much shadows, Shikamaru can use a flash bomb (if he brings one) and use it to blind Harry...confusing him and to make Harry's shadow bigger, so Shika can connect to his shadow...then he can use... Neck Bind jutsu, Kunais, Bombs, or Shadow Tendrils to finish him.

[EdwardElric]

Harry points wand at Shikamaru
Shikamaru: what the hell? hahaha!(he doesnt really laugh, but a dorky boy pointing a stick at you is kind of silly looking)
Harry: Stupefy!
Shikamaru knocked unconscious...
Harry wins...

seriously though, that scenario isnt so unbelievable...
but a Sectumsempra ought to do it, all Harry does is wave his wound and say the spell and Shikamaru gets slashed...

Wow. If they're in a freaking fight (even if Harry jumps Shika) and Harry doesn't carry around anything else that even remotely looks like it could be a weapon, why would Shikamaru NOT think that the wand is Harry's weapon? ESPECIALLY when its pointed towards him? Seriously, Shika's not an idiot.

And since when the hell did Harry start apparating and blasting off spells everywhere in his fights? It's never happened yet, and until he does it, its illogical to assume he can. He might be able to pull off an apparition or two and get behind Shika, but at close range its pretty much the same as Shunshin, which Shika has seen and dealt with before. Shika's been trained to KILL since he was a little boy, not to mention Naruto ninjas are way faster than regular humans, even considering Harry's reaction speed and perception. I would say they are at the very least equal in reaction speed, however Shika is defintely physically faster. Let's not forget Shika's arsenal of shadow jutsu, his genius intellect (which not even Hermione can compare to), and basic ninjutsu such as Kawarimi (the log replacing thingy) and Bunshins, which Harry has no counter to. I'll say that Harry has a chance in an open field and Shika has no prep-time, but otherwise Shika wins 95/100.

[Ulfgar]

Wow. If they're in a freaking fight (even if Harry jumps Shika) and Harry doesn't carry around anything else that even remotely looks like it could be a weapon, why would Shikamaru NOT think that the wand is Harry's weapon? ESPECIALLY when its pointed towards him? Seriously, Shika's not an idiot.

And since when the hell did Harry start apparating and blasting off spells everywhere in his fights? It's never happened yet, and until he does it, its illogical to assume he can. He might be able to pull off an apparition or two and get behind Shika, but at close range its pretty much the same as Shunshin, which Shika has seen and dealt with before. Shika's been trained to KILL since he was a little boy, not to mention Naruto ninjas are way faster than regular humans, even considering Harry's reaction speed and perception. I would say they are at the very least equal in reaction speed, however Shika is defintely physically faster. Let's not forget Shika's arsenal of shadow jutsu, his genius intellect (which not even Hermione can compare to), and basic ninjutsu such as Kawarimi (the log replacing thingy) and Bunshins, which Harry has no counter to. I'll say that Harry has a chance in an open field and Shika has no prep-time, but otherwise Shika wins 95/100.

QFT HP=emo fail. shika =win

[Serp]

Shika wins in a curbstomp cos as i stated before ninjas are faster and stronger shika is smarter, harrys spells are deadly enough, shika has kunai and shit plus all his deadly jutsu :notrust .

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Harry rapestomps.

[Graham Aker]

Yeah, cause when Harry is in combat, he's always apparating around everywhere. :huh
if its a place where apparition isnt banned, he obviously will be Apparating in battle...


And since when the hell did Harry start apparating and blasting off spells everywhere in his fights? It's never happened yet, and until he does it, its illogical to assume he can.
blasting off spells? read the books...
Apparating everywhere? not yet, though he did Apparate from somewhere a hundred miles away to Hogsmeade, and that after being mentally stressed out...
so its logical to assume that he can just pop around everywhere now...

He might be able to pull off an apparition or two and get behind Shika, but at close range its pretty much the same as Shunshin, which Shika has seen and dealt with before.
when did this happen again? I forgot...

Shika's been trained to KILL since he was a little boy
trained to kill people? I dont think Naruto(manga) is that dark...

Let's not forget Shika's arsenal of shadow jutsu
which are dependent on the amount of light and darkness in the area...

his genius intellect (which not even Hermione can compare to)
interesting, I would not go so far as to claim that one is smarter than the other as we have no way of knowing that...

and basic ninjutsu such as Kawarimi (the log replacing thingy) and Bunshins, which Harry has no counter to.
the same could be said to all the magic Harry has which Shikamaru cannot counter...

I'll say that Harry has a chance in an open field and Shika has no prep-time, but otherwise Shika wins 95/100.
a clear underestimation of Potters abilities...

[Superrazien]

Shikamaru sucks in Tijutsu compared to the others in Naruto, but Shika could win this battle on Tijutsu alone, or maybe just a Kunai to the head will do.

[EdwardElric]

if its a place where apparition isnt banned, he obviously will be Apparating in battle...


Sure. Just like he did in the previous books. Oh wait, didn't happen yet, did it?


blasting off spells? read the books...
Apparating everywhere? not yet, though he did Apparate from somewhere a hundred miles away to Hogsmeade, and that after being mentally stressed out...
so its logical to assume that he can just pop around everywhere now...


I meant blasting off spells while apparating arround, not just blasting off spells while standing there or running. The point is that Harry's never demonstrated a quick succession of Apparations in a row.


when did this happen again? I forgot...


Shika kept up with Hidan in that fight, and Hidan was fast enough to catch Asuma off guard. I would post scans but I delete my manga chapters after I read them.


trained to kill people? I dont think Naruto(manga) is that dark...


Wow. I think you forgot ninjas are assassins? The manga is not dark because it is a children's manga and doesn't emphasize the killing part, in addition to the fact that it's peacetime right now among the 5 great shinobi nations. Come on, the first major arc of Naruto was to prevent the ASSASSINATION of someone (Zabuza arc).


which are dependent on the amount of light and darkness in the area...


Yea, which is why I said Harry could possibly win in an open field.


interesting, I would not go so far as to claim that one is smarter than the other as we have no way of knowing that...


By feats alone I would definitely put Shika a great deal ahead in the intelligence department. I don't recall Hermione ever planning as far ahead as Shika did.


the same could be said to all the magic Harry has which Shikamaru cannot counter...


Bunshin and kawarimi are counters to Harry's spells, cause IIRC you kind of have to point your wand at something, unless there's some sort of AOE spell I'm forgetting, and after Shika finds out how Harry attacks he can easily come up with a strategy to defeat him.


a clear underestimation of Potters abilities...

You're the one thats underestimating here.

[Graham Aker]

Sure. Just like he did in the previous books. Oh wait, didn't happen yet, did it?
he had only started learning how to Apparate in the sixth book, and mastered it in the final moments.

I meant blasting off spells while apparating arround, not just blasting off spells while standing there or running. The point is that Harry's never demonstrated a quick succession of Apparations in a row.
Fred and George have, and Harry is obviously a better Wizard than either of them.

Shika kept up with Hidan in that fight, and Hidan was fast enough to catch Asuma off guard. I would post scans but I delete my manga chapters after I read them.
Hidan never demonstrated any Shunshin, iirc.

Wow. I think you forgot ninjas are assassins?
REAL ninjas.

The manga is not dark because it is a children's manga and doesn't emphasize the killing part
Naruto is not a childrens manga... a childrens manga wouldnt have disembodied talking heads...

in addition to the fact that it's peacetime right now among the 5 great shinobi nations. Come on, the first major arc of Naruto was to prevent the ASSASSINATION of someone (Zabuza arc).
prevent, not to assassinate someone...

Yea, which is why I said Harry could possibly win in an open field.
possibly? hmm...

By feats alone I would definitely put Shika a great deal ahead in the intelligence department. I don't recall Hermione ever planning as far ahead as Shika did.
I hope that is not how you measure a persons intelligence...

Bunshin and kawarimi are counters to Harry's spells, cause IIRC you kind of have to point your wand at something, unless there's some sort of AOE spell I'm forgetting, and after Shika finds out how Harry attacks he can easily come up with a strategy to defeat him.
ah, so a Bunshin or Kawarimi can stop Sectumsempra, Levicorpus? which has no form or any visible attack?

You're the one thats underestimating here.
nope, Im not underestimating shika... he cannot react if Harry Apparates...
the only way of Shika winning this is if Harry doesnt use Apparition and forgets that he has spells like Levicorpus, Accio, Protego, etc.

he can easily protect himself from kunais/shurkiens by using Protego
he could Accio Shika's weapons("Accio weapons!")
or cast Levicorpus to suspend Shikamaru in the air
cast Lumos to stop the shadows, though again, depends on the light and darkness, would be safer if Harry doesnt give Shika time to use his Shadows...

[Superrazien]

It seems like most people forgot that Shikamaru can kill him once he has Harry in the Shadow Possession, Shikamaru has never failed once to pull that technique off people who know he can use it. Harry will defendantly get caught since he knows nothing about Shikamaru and Jutsu. In fact Harry will be scared shit because he would probably think Shikamaru is doing magic without a wand.

[Graham Aker]

It seems like most people forgot that Shikamaru can kill him once he has Harry in the Shadow Possession, Shikamaru has never failed once to pull that technique off people who know he can use it.
it has failed on more than one occasion actually...

Harry will defendantly get caught
assuming Harry forgets how to Apparate and some of his spells, then yes...

since he knows nothing about Shikamaru and Jutsu.
and the same would apply to Shikamaru, as I think that he knows nothing about magic...
and he'll easily get caught in invisible spells like Levicorpus, Tarantallegra(jelly-legs) etc...

In fact Harry will be scared shit because he would probably think Shikamaru is doing magic without a wand.
Harry is not easily scared... no one in the Narutoverse has faced as much atrocity as he has... Sasuke comes close...

[EdwardElric]

he had only started learning how to Apparate in the sixth book, and mastered it in the final moments.


Exactly. I think you should wait 'till the next book before you start assuming things.


Fred and George have, and Harry is obviously a better Wizard than either of them.


Perhaps a better wizard in general, doesn't mean that he can Apparate better than them though, especially since they have years of experience over him.


Hidan never demonstrated any Shunshin, iirc.

Probably true, I'll have to re-download the manga to check, but I do remember him catching Asuma off guard.


REAL ninjas.


So you're saying ninjas in Naruto aren't trained to fight and kill? You must be reading a different manga.


Naruto is not a childrens manga... a childrens manga wouldnt have disembodied talking heads...


Yeah, the fact that he was a disembodied talking head was actually pretty funny. It wasn't even depicted in a gruesome way. Claymore, for example, I'm sure you would agree with me, is targeted towards an older audience, and Naruto's audience is definitely a few years below that.

Naruto is a manga mainly targeted towards males from older elementary kids to around middle school age, I'm sorry if I confused you by calling it a "children's" manga since clearly your definition is different from mine.


prevent, not to assassinate someone...

Wow, you completely missed the point. The point was that Zabuza was hired to KILL someone. Oh let's not forget the decades of war where even 8 year old ninjas were fighting in wars and KILLING each other. Shinobi are intruments of war, and hey guess what happens in most wars? LOTS OF KILLING.


I hope that is not how you measure a persons intelligence...

And how else would I measure two FICTIONAL characters intelligence? Make them both take IQ tests? No, I would go by feats. I go by what they've demonstrated, and Shika's demonstrated more in the way of tactics than any of Harry and his friends.


ah, so a Bunshin or Kawarimi can stop Sectumsempra, Levicorpus? which has no form or any visible attack?


What the heck's a Sectumsempra gonna do to a log? Or levicorpus? Sure, Harry can waste time hitting Bunshins while Shika thinks 10 steps ahead and comes up with a plan to own him.



nope, Im not underestimating shika... he cannot react if Harry Apparates...
the only way of Shika winning this is if Harry doesnt use Apparition and forgets that he has spells like Levicorpus, Accio, Protego, etc.

he can easily protect himself from kunais/shurkiens by using Protego
he could Accio Shika's weapons("Accio weapons!")
or cast Levicorpus to suspend Shikamaru in the air
cast Lumos to stop the shadows, though again, depends on the light and darkness, would be safer if Harry doesnt give Shika time to use his Shadows...

Your whole battle is based around the assumption that Harry will apparate around and be some teleporting magic blasting godly wizard, when he's demonstrated nothing of that calibur so far. Even normal humans/wizards can react to Apparition, and Shika's reacted to faster close range attacks before (even if it was jobber aura). I'm sorry I like to have my fights go by what characters have demonstrated, not what you THINK they can do.

it has failed on more than one occasion actually...

Yes, the jutsu itself has failed due to Shika not having enough chakra to maintain it, but what Superrazien meant was that Shika has never once failed in catching his opponent in the jutsu.

[Superrazien]

it has failed on more than one occasion actually...
No everyone he attempted to do it on he eventually got it.

assuming Harry forgets how to Apparate and some of his spells, then yes...

If we look at this in character, Shikamaru will have Harry in his Shadow Jutsu before Harry will do anything.

and the same would apply to Shikamaru, as I think that he knows nothing about magic...
and he'll easily get caught in invisible spells like Levicorpus, Tarantallegra(jelly-legs) etc...

Yes true Shikamaru doesn't know anything about Harry, but that is big advantage, Shikamaru can analyze people very quickly, thats how he manages to plan out so well. Harry has no skill in planning and analyze people. I also don't see Shikamaru getting caught in any of Harry's spells simply because he will either be dead or in Shikamarus shadow possession before he can. But even if Harry can get him in any spells, he has nothing to kill him.


Harry is not easily scared... no one in the Narutoverse has faced as much atrocity as he has... Sasuke comes close

Your telling me Harry wouldnt be scared if he was 3 seconds away from death just because he got caught in a shadow? Or people doing hand seals and magic comes out ( In Harry's mind he would probably assume Jutsu is magic) not needing a wand for magic, seem's more advanced stuff than Voldemort, so I'm sure Harry will get scared. Oh and what about good old fashion weapons of death like Kunais.

and how can you say Sasuke's atrocity comes close to Harry's? I think it far exceeds it. Harry's entire family wasn't killed before his eye's when he was a child.

[Graham Aker]

Exactly. I think you should wait 'till the next book before you start assuming things.
if he managed to Apparate from that great a distance under severe mental pressure, Apparating from a couple of metres away wouldnt be a problem...

Perhaps a better wizard in general, doesn't mean that he can Apparate better than them though, especially since they have years of experience over him.
debatable... though I would not wish to go there at the moment...

So you're saying ninjas in Naruto aren't trained to fight and kill? You must be reading a different manga.
trained to fight, clearly... but kill? no, I dont think so... just look at Hinata...

Yeah, the fact that he was a disembodied talking head was actually pretty funny. It wasn't even depicted in a gruesome way. Claymore, for example, I'm sure you would agree with me, is targeted towards an older audience, and Naruto's audience is definitely a few years below that.
both come out in the same magazine though... even if Claymore is more like Seinen...

Wow, you completely missed the point. The point was that Zabuza was hired to KILL someone. Oh let's not forget the decades of war where even 8 year old ninjas were fighting in wars and KILLING each other. Shinobi are intruments of war, and hey guess what happens in most wars? LOTS OF KILLING.
Zabuza of course, was raised in a village that promotes killing...

And how else would I measure two FICTIONAL characters intelligence? Make them both take IQ tests? No, I would go by feats. I go by what they've demonstrated, and Shika's demonstrated more in the way of tactics than any of Harry and his friends.
tactics... there are other branches of intelligence, other ways of measuring ones intellect... let us leave it at that...

What the heck's a Sectumsempra gonna do to a log? Or levicorpus? Sure, Harry can waste time hitting Bunshins while Shika thinks 10 steps ahead and comes up with a plan to own him.
my mistake, at the time I wrote that I was thinking that Shikamaru wont have time to do Bunshins or Kawarimi's because he woudlnt see Harry's attacks coming, as they are invisible... no jet of light and all that...

Your whole battle is based around the assumption that Harry will apparate around and be some teleporting magic blasting godly wizard, when he's demonstrated nothing of that calibur so far.
not entirely correct... its actually something like:
Harry will Apparate and take Shikamaru by surprise, beating him.

Even normal humans/wizards can react to Apparition
humans? no...
Wizards? barely... only Dumbledore and Voldemort have shown the capability to react fast enough to teleportation...

and Shika's reacted to faster close range attacks before (even if it was jobber aura). I'm sorry I like to have my fights go by what characters have demonstrated, not what you THINK they can do.
and Harry has demonstrated to the ability to Apparate... and I repeat it again, Apparating from the Cave, which is hundred miles away, to Hogsmeade while mentally stressed out...
Harry has demonstrated the ability to perform magic...

and I'd just like to add, he has demonstrated reaction time that allows him to dodge a Bludger that flies at 100 mph and see the Golden Snitch which is as big as a persons eyeball and can fly at 150 mph(could probably go faster).

Yes, the jutsu itself has failed due to Shika not having enough chakra to maintain it, but what Superrazien meant was that Shika has never once failed in catching his opponent in the jutsu.
Temari has avoided it, I would count that as failing... though attributed to the lack of darkness...
Lumos...

No everyone he attempted to do it on he eventually got it.
eventually, indeed...

If we look at this in character, Shikamaru will have Harry in his Shadow Jutsu before Harry will do anything.
rrrright... so Harry will just stand there and wait for Shikamaru's shadow to reach him? right, very in-character.

Yes true Shikamaru doesn't know anything about Harry, but that is big advantage, Shikamaru can analyze people very quickly, thats how he manages to plan out so well.
Shiakamaru should consider a career in Psychiatry then...

Harry has no skill in planning and analyze people. I also don't see Shikamaru getting caught in any of Harry's spells simply because he will either be dead or in Shikamarus shadow possession before he can. But even if Harry can get him in any spells, he has nothing to kill him.
Harry will not just stand there and wait for Shikamaru to attack, no... the instant the fight begins, he will either:
Apparate from behind Shikamaru and Stupefies him
Harry uses Levicorpus and suspends Shikamaru in the air... Shika wouldnt be able to dodge it because the spell is formless and happens instantly after its cast... if they are far apart, he will get caught...

Your telling me Harry wouldnt be scared if he was 3 seconds away from death just because he got caught in a shadow?
no, because Harry's life is surrounded by death...

Or people doing hand seals and magic comes out ( In Harry's mind he would probably assume Jutsu is magic) not needing a wand for magic, seem's more advanced stuff than Voldemort, so I'm sure Harry will get scared.
he wont. he himself has done wandless magic before, so its nothing new...

Oh and what about good old fashion weapons of death like Kunais.
Avada Kedavra is more deadly than a mere man made weapon...

and how can you say Sasuke's atrocity comes close to Harry's? I think it far exceeds it. Harry's entire family wasn't killed before his eye's when he was a child.
they were actually, killed in front of him, though he was too young to remember. and as much as I'd like to enumerate the horror that is Harry's life, I would rather not since, well it has nothing to do with the fight...

[Estrecca]

I suppose that Shikamaru is faster than baseline humans, considering the setting. Anything that can be useful to make some kind of comparison?

Because if he is anything even remotely approaching pre-time skip Lee's level, then this is an unholy curbstomp. Almost all known Potterverse attack spells come in the form of light beams that can be dodged with some luck and above average reaction times by wizards that seem to be at normal human speeds.

[Wuzzman]

You put a good amount of distance between him and Harry and that gives shikamaru enough prep time. You put them at medium distance, harry can't surprise Shikamaru. You put them very close to each other then Shikamaru will just stab Harry with a kunai. All those scenerio's happen on an open field. Shikamaru is both faster and smarter and has a cumberstone ability at that. Shikamaru wins easy.

[janekshi]

Shikamaru all the way!

[Graham Aker]

You put a good amount of distance between him and Harry and that gives shikamaru enough prep time.
Harry Apparates
or attacks Shika with a spell that is instant...

You put them at medium distance, harry can't surprise Shikamaru.
not exactly, though depending on how far apart they are, it could go either way...

You put them very close to each other then Shikamaru will just stab Harry with a kunai.
he better hope he kills Harry though...

All those scenerio's happen on an open field. Shikamaru is both faster and smarter and has a cumberstone ability at that.
cumberstone?

[RockGuitarist]

Shikamaru wins. He's been in training to be a ninja since 6, maybe even younger. I don't think he'll really need to use his shadow jutsus, he could beat Harry with Tai-jutsu alone. Oh sure, Harry can cast spells, but don't assume that he's going to stand there, and let the spell hit him, don't even assume that he's going just stand around even after Harry takes his wand out. Shikamaru is also physically strong, and fast, he's also a genius. In the fight against Temari, in the CE, when he was trying to catch her in his jutsu, she kept on dodging, and moving backwards, and so on so forth, and then she used her fan as a block so that his jutsu wouldn't be able to catch her, and thought up a plan, which actually, Shikamaar was setting it up so she thought it was hers, when it was really his plan to catch her through the use of the hole made by Naruto, when he jumped out of the ground to land that finishing attack on Neji, and his shadow bind jutsu, so basically he's an awesome tactician. Face it, He'll beat "Mr British Daytime Emmy".

[Wuzzman]

If you really want to understand how fast shikamaru is, look at the temari vs shikamaru fight or hidan vs shikamaru. Notice how Shikamaru was able to dodge Temari fan at POINT BLANK RANGE!!! He really, really, really shouldn't have been able to dodge that attack without some serious speed. He might not be rock lee but he is the number 1# running ninja.

[Superrazien]

eventually, indeed...

Ok so what makes you think he wont get Harry in it?

rrrright... so Harry will just stand there and wait for Shikamaru's shadow to reach him? right, very in-character.


Um, Harry will have no idea about the shadow technique, Harry hasn't shown to be very aware of his surroundings and I doubt he would be looking at the ground when he has an opponent to fight. Even if Harry ran, he is far from fast, Shikamaru can catch up to him easy and still get him into it.

Shiakamaru should consider a career in Psychiatry then...

Hes to lazy


Harry will not just stand there and wait for Shikamaru to attack, no... the instant the fight begins, he will either:
Apparate from behind Shikamaru and Stupefies him
Harry uses Levicorpus and suspends Shikamaru in the air... Shika wouldnt be able to dodge it because the spell is formless and happens instantly after its cast... if they are far apart, he will get caught...

The instant the fight begins Harry will be in Shikamarus shadow possession, it has nothing to do with Harry waiting for Shikamaru to do it. He wont know its coming, the attack was designed for stealth. Plus all Harry spells will do is it will just give Shikamaru a plan.

no, because Harry's life is surrounded by death...



Watching people die is one thing, but when you yourself are 3 seconds from death, its a total different thing. Harry still has human in stinks, Ninjas are trained for life and death situations, Harry is not. He will be scared if he is about to die.

he wont. he himself has done wandless magic before, so its nothing new...


What wandless magic? and was it anywhere near as powerful as jutsu?

Avada Kedavra is more deadly than a mere man made weapon...

Yeah but Harry can't use it, I don't think he would even if he could.

they were actually, killed in front of him, though he was too young to remember. and as much as I'd like to enumerate the horror that is Harry's life, I would rather not since, well it has nothing to do with the fight...


If your parents are killed right in front of you but your to young to remember, doesn't have as much of an effect on your mind when you see your whole family die and remember it till the day you die.

[Sylar]

How exactly can Shika dodge a Levicorpus when the spell is invisible and is THOUGHT not spoken. Harry thinks it and Shika is in the air. Can Shika really attack faster than the time it takes Harry to think one word?

[Graham Aker]

Ok so what makes you think he wont get Harry in it?
because he'll be suspended in the air... what Sylar said...


Um, Harry will have no idea about the shadow technique, Harry hasn't shown to be very aware of his surroundings and I doubt he would be looking at the ground when he has an opponent to fight. Even if Harry ran, he is far from fast, Shikamaru can catch up to him easy and still get him into it.
assuming Harry does absolutely nothing...


The instant the fight begins Harry will be in Shikamarus shadow possession, it has nothing to do with Harry waiting for Shikamaru to do it. He wont know its coming, the attack was designed for stealth. Plus all Harry spells will do is it will just give Shikamaru a plan.
so, Shiakmaru's Shadow thingy is instant, like it just happens? hahaha! what rubbish....


Watching people die is one thing, but when you yourself are 3 seconds from death, its a total different thing. Harry still has human in stinks, Ninjas are trained for life and death situations, Harry is not. He will be scared if he is about to die.
so Hinata has been trained for life and death situations?
and yes, even though Harry was not trained, he had already been in situations where he was just an inch from death since he was just 11 years old...

at that age, Shikamaru and his little friends were still in school.
also, training and experiencing the real thing is different...
Harry's experience with death > Naruto, Shikamaru, Sasuke their batch including Neiji's Lee etc...

What wandless magic? and was it anywhere near as powerful as jutsu?
Harry made a glass wall disappear, back when he was still 11 years old...
in Voldemorts case, he was able to manipulated animals, telepathy, telekinesis...

if Harry sees a wizard/witch doing magic without a wand, it wont startle him, its not common but hes seen it before...
Yeah but Harry can't use it, I don't think he would even if he could.
perhaps, though there are other spells that are much more fearsome than a mere kunai...Sectumsempra for example, which is also invisible, can slash a person... like an invisible sword...

[EdwardElric]

How exactly can Shika dodge a Levicorpus when the spell is invisible and is THOUGHT not spoken. Harry thinks it and Shika is in the air. Can Shika really attack faster than the time it takes Harry to think one word?

Levicorpus still requires pointing a wand, and by then Shika's instinct will tell him to RUN AWAY from where the wand is pointing.


because he'll be suspended in the air... what Sylar said...


The only way I see Shika being Levicorpused is if Harry opens up the fight with it (which is out of character btw) and Shika's dumb enough to ignore the all too obvious wand pointing.


so, Shiakmaru's Shadow thingy is instant, like it just happens? hahaha! what rubbish....

About as rubbish as you and Apparating.


so Hinata has been trained for life and death situations?
and yes, even though Harry was not trained, he had already been in situations where he was just an inch from death since he was just 11 years old...

Yes, thats what they teach at the academy, she's just not a particularly good ninja pre-time skip, and post-time skip it remains to be seen how much she's improved.
And I only recall ONE situation where he was an inch away from death when he was 11, and he couldn't even remember it.


at that age, Shikamaru and his little friends were still in school.
also, training and experiencing the real thing is different...
Harry's experience with death > Naruto, Shikamaru, Sasuke their batch including Neiji's Lee etc...


Yeah, in a NINJA school where they teach you about that stuff. What was Harry doing when he was 11? Oh right he was living in a closet.

lol, Harry has more experience with death than all of them? Hahahaha, thats laughable. Sasuke's whole family was slaughtered in front of his eyes when he was younger than when Harry started at Hogwarts, and he actually remembers it, so his experience is much more psychologically traumatizing. Neji's dad was killed when he was young, Lee would've died in his fight with Gaara had Gai not intervened, Sasuke was almost killed by Orochimaru, Sasuke and Naruto both almost died against Zabuza and Haku, Sasuke was almost killed by Gaara... I could keep going on, but it's getting late and I don't want to spend another hour typing.


Harry made a glass wall disappear, back when he was still 11 years old...
in Voldemorts case, he was able to manipulated animals, telepathy, telekinesis...

Sorry, Harry isn't Voldemort, but I'm sure that making glass walls disappear without a wand is definitely coming in handy during the fight.



perhaps, though there are other spells that are much more fearsome than a mere kunai...Sectumsempra for example, which is also invisible, can slash a person... like an invisible sword...

True, there are more fearsome spells than kunai, it's just that Harry won't/can't use them. A kunai or two to vital spots will kill a person btw. I doubt Shika would get hit by more than one sectumsempra anyways, not to mention Harry would have to be bloodlusted to use it.

[Graham Aker]

Levicorpus still requires pointing a wand, and by then Shika's instinct will tell him to RUN AWAY from where the wand is pointing.
yes, instincts which has always safeguarded Shikamaru from danger...

The only way I see Shika being Levicorpused is if Harry opens up the fight with it (which is out of character btw) and Shika's dumb enough to ignore the all too obvious wand pointing.
its also not in character for Shikamaru to just kill his opponents...

About as rubbish as you and Apparating.
so you think Harry cant Apparate then?

Yes, thats what they teach at the academy, she's just not a particularly good ninja pre-time skip, and post-time skip it remains to be seen how much she's improved.
yet Naruto frozed up when he was attacked by those two rogue ninjas in the Country of Wave arc...

And I only recall ONE situation where he was an inch away from death when he was 11, and he couldn't even remember it.
you need to read the books again.. though I dont think Harry would forget...

Yeah, in a NINJA school where they teach you about that stuff. What was Harry doing when he was 11? Oh right he was living in a closet.
before entering Hogwarts and learning about what he really is, yes, he was living in his closet...

Naruto at age 13 froze up after two rogue ninjas attacked them...

lol, Harry has more experience with death than all of them? Hahahaha, thats laughable. Sasuke's whole family was slaughtered in front of his eyes
they weren slaughtered in front of him, Itachi did make him relive the whole thing though...

Neji's dad was killed when he was young
yes, he did...

Lee would've died in his fight with Gaara had Gai not intervened
indeed...

Sasuke was almost killed by Orochimaru, Sasuke and Naruto both almost died against Zabuza and Haku, Sasuke was almost killed by Gaara...
aye they almost did, die...

Harry age 11 - was almost eaten by Fluffy, was almost killed by Voldemort in the Dark Forest, was almost killed when he faced off Quirrel
Harry age 12 - almost killed by a jinxed Bludger, almost killed by Acromantulas in the Dark Forest, almost killed by a Basilisk
Harry age 13 - almost died facing off against Dementors
Harry age 14 - almost died facing off against a Dragon, fought Voldemort and was very closely killed, if not for Priori Incantatem, saw Cedric die in front of him, dreamt Voldemort killing Frank Bryce
Harry age 15 - faced off against Death Eaters and was almost killed, saw Sirius die, was almost killed by Voldemort if not for Dumbledore
Harry age 16 - almost died fending off the Inferi, saw Dumbledore die

Sorry, Harry isn't Voldemort, but I'm sure that making glass walls disappear without a wand is definitely coming in handy during the fight.
the point was, Harry seeing Shikamaru performing Jutsus would not scare or surprise Harry as much since he is no stranger to wandless magic...

True, there are more fearsome spells than kunai, it's just that Harry won't/can't use them.
he used them against Snape and Bellatrix, though he was furious/desperate at the time...

and again, as I said before, Harry will Apparate, take Shika by surprise
and throw a spell on him... unless Shika is quite close and is moving, which would make that difficult...


I suppose, the idea that a non-manga/anime character beating Naruto, is hard to stomach...

[Paul the SK]

Thanks guys for providing an interesting dabate to read. :amuse

Honestly, I made this thread bacause I couldn't decide myself.

[Fiasco]

Harry Potter uses his abilities with the help of a stick.

Shikamaru can Shadow Bind him and make his drop the stick.
Shikamaru still has ninja stuff like shurikens,kunai and other sharp objests.
Harry was on a stick getting pounded by flying rocks.

I think Shika takes this....

[thegoodjae]

Can Harry actually hurt Shika or at least get a spell to reach him before Shika dogdes it? I doubt it.

[EdwardElric]

yes, instincts which has always safeguarded Shikamaru from danger...

He wasn't the #1 ninja at running away for nothing.


its also not in character for Shikamaru to just kill his opponents...

Didn't say he would. He would most likely find a way to shadow bind Harry and find a way to disable him at first.


so you think Harry cant Apparate then?


Didn't say that either, it's just that I don't think Harry's style of fighting matches up with what you've said he'll do, but then of course he only learned Apparition in the last book. It remains to be seen how he'll use Apparition in his fights, and until then I'd rather not assume things.


yet Naruto frozed up when he was attacked by those two rogue ninjas in the Country of Wave arc...

You said it yourself, training and experience are two different things, and while Naruto may have been trained for situations such as that, he certainly didn't have the experience to deal with it.


Harry age 11 - was almost eaten by Fluffy, was almost killed by Voldemort in the Dark Forest, was almost killed when he faced off Quirrel
Harry age 12 - almost killed by a jinxed Bludger, almost killed by Acromantulas in the Dark Forest, almost killed by a Basilisk
Harry age 13 - almost died facing off against Dementors
Harry age 14 - almost died facing off against a Dragon, fought Voldemort and was very closely killed, if not for Priori Incantatem, saw Cedric die in front of him, dreamt Voldemort killing Frank Bryce
Harry age 15 - faced off against Death Eaters and was almost killed, saw Sirius die, was almost killed by Voldemort if not for Dumbledore
Harry age 16 - almost died fending off the Inferi, saw Dumbledore die

Notice I was talking about Harry's experiences BEFORE he started at Hogwarts, not afterwards, and yes I do realize he's had plenty of experience since then.


the point was, Harry seeing Shikamaru performing Jutsus would not scare or surprise Harry as much since he is no stranger to wandless magic...

But he still might be a bit intimidated.


he used them against Snape and Bellatrix, though he was furious/desperate at the time...

Yes.... If this was a bloodlusted fight, and Harry went all out, I could see him taking the fight, but Shikamaru would most likely be able to catch Harry in his jutsu in a normal fight before he gets knocked out or disabled himself. Especially if the terrain favors him.


and again, as I said before, Harry will Apparate, take Shika by surprise
and throw a spell on him... unless Shika is quite close and is moving, which would make that difficult...


I disagree, Harry would most likely start out with something like Stupefy, since he is not angry or aiming to severely injure/kill his opponent, and would not Apparate since he wouldn't think it's necessary. By then Shika will have gained enough knowledge to assess the situation, come up with a plan to shadow bind Harry or disarm him in some way, and will execute the plan. And I don't think Shika will get caught off guard by Apparition unless Harry uses it right away.


I suppose, the idea that a non-manga/anime character beating Naruto, is hard to stomach...

No, not at all, especially when there's been plenty of non-manga/anime characters curbstomping Naruto. I merely disagree with your assessment of the fight.

[Piekage]

How skilled is Harry at apparating? It's been a well since I read the books. Are both characters bloodlusted?

Can Harry actually hurt Shika or at least get a spell to reach him before Shika dogdes it? I doubt it.
Sectumsempra would do some damage I imagine.

I suppose, the idea that a non-manga/anime character beating Naruto, is hard to stomach...
Happens pretty often actually.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Shika could just, you know, dodge Sectumsempra. It should be easy since he's a trained ninja and should have above average reflexes.

[koalakid]

shika hands down b/ he had ninja refelxes,too quick to fall 4 a spell, and can think of a great successful plan to defeat harry within a minute.

[Steven Pinhead]

Harry is completely inept at apparating. You shouldn't even consider that as a factor. Plus Harry, despite all of his courage, relies heavily on luck and his emotions are unreliable, I've seen him to be indecisive at times. Whereas Shika is capable of devising ways to take down Akatsuki members in a matter of minutes.

Shika wins.

Oh and by the way, Harry is incapable of Avada Kedavra. In the fourth book, Moody stated that the amount of power necessary to do anything but give someone a nosebleed with that spell was beyond the power of student wizards, which Harry still is.

[Graham Aker]

Didn't say he would. He would most likely find a way to shadow bind Harry and find a way to disable him at first.
not if Harry surprises him with a behind the back Apparition.

Didn't say that either, it's just that I don't think Harry's style of fighting matches up with what you've said he'll do, but then of course he only learned Apparition in the last book. It remains to be seen how he'll use Apparition in his fights, and until then I'd rather not assume things.
well, he might not be rapidly Apparating everywhere.

You said it yourself, training and experience are two different things, and while Naruto may have been trained for situations such as that, he certainly didn't have the experience to deal with it.
ah, now you get it...

Notice I was talking about Harry's experiences BEFORE he started at Hogwarts, not afterwards, and yes I do realize he's had plenty of experience since then.
see? because you compare the life of an ordinary boy to that of a ninja in a Shounen manga...

But he still might be a bit intimidated.
I sincerely doubt that... since he wouldn't care, if his enemy is doing something, he's going to do something moer quickly...

Yes.... If this was a bloodlusted fight, and Harry went all out, I could see him taking the fight, but Shikamaru would most likely be able to catch Harry in his jutsu in a normal fight before he gets knocked out or disabled himself. Especially if the terrain favors him.
true, he might not use Sectumsempra unless he is bloodlusted...
there is still the matter of the Levicorpus spell however, that Shikamaru cannot see... among others...

I disagree, Harry would most likely start out with something like Stupefy, since he is not angry or aiming to severely injure/kill his opponent, and would not Apparate since he wouldn't think it's necessary. By then Shika will have gained enough knowledge to assess the situation, come up with a plan to shadow bind Harry or disarm him in some way, and will execute the plan. And I don't think Shika will get caught off guard by Apparition unless Harry uses it right away.
going by in-character... since Harry tends to be a bit stupid and forget things, in-character...

I merely disagree with your assessment of the fight.
hm, I think that would be because I am not going by in-character, I should have made that clear before...
in an in-character fight, Shika would likely win...

How skilled is Harry at apparating?
I think he is very skilled, he did Apparate from the Cave, which is a hundred miles away, to Hogsmeade under severe mental pressure... so I imagine Apparating a few metres away wouldnt be much trouble... whethere he can do it in succession I cant confidently say as we've yet to see him do it, though I do believe he can...

Happens pretty often actually.
yeah, I meant against Harry Potter or anyone from the Potterverse...

Shika could just, you know, dodge Sectumsempra. It should be easy since he's a trained ninja and should have above average reflexes.
yes, because Shikamaru can see invisible instantaneous attacks...

[Steven Pinhead]

Harry's apparition from the cave was plot no jutsu in it's purest form. It was a, "Oh i'm the main character and despite the fact that I'm completely hopeless with this skill, and automatically good at it because the situation calls for it."

I'm not saying that he can't do it, but he won't be blur-running all over the play field at his current level of apparition.

And Shikamaru is perfectly capable of keeping his cool in case of Sectumsempra, which is not a one hit KO. It's just a very nasty attack.

[Piekage]

I think he is very skilled, he did Apparate from the Cave, which is a hundred miles away, to Hogsmeade under severe mental pressure... so I imagine Apparating a few metres away wouldnt be much trouble... whethere he can do it in succession I cant confidently say as we've yet to see him do it, though I do believe he can...

Well, if he can do it in succession and he's bloodlusted, I'd say he stands a good chance.


yeah, I meant against Harry Potter or anyone from the Potterverse...


I think a number of Potterverse characters are pretty powerful, Voldemort and Dumbeldore in particular.

[Superrazien]

To Lord of the Abyss whom seems to be the one for Harry. What is it that Harry can do to actually win the fight? Surely you don't think lifting him in the air, and things like that will warrant a win do you?

[Graham Aker]

Well, if he can do it in succession and he's bloodlusted, I'd say he stands a good chance.
he would win by thunder!

To Lord of the Abyss whom seems to be the one for Harry. What is it that Harry can do to actually win the fight?
assuming Harry is bloodlusted, a lot...
Levicorpus + [spell] being one of them...

Surely you don't think lifting him in the air, and things like that will warrant a win do you?
no, but how can Shikamaru attack when he is twirling about in the air? and Harry could just then Stupefy him... I dont think ninja's have an Ennervate no Jutsu to be able to recover from that spell(Stupefy)

[Myns]

no, but how can Shikamaru attack when he is twirling about in the air?

If the sun is in the right place he can still use the ShadowBind, it not like he can't use it anymore if he in the air. He can also use shurikin and kunai, I don't think that harry can dodge a kunai to the head. And dont say tha because he play Quidditch he can suddenly dodge something that go that fast, Even if he is a mage he still have the strenght, the agility and the reflex of a normal human, maybe one that do sport but it still normal.

[Graham Aker]

If the sun is in the right place he can still use the ShadowBind, it not like he can't use it anymore if he in the air.
twirling about in the air, upside down, blood rushing to the head, so I doubt he can use his Shadow Bind...

He can also use shurikin and kunai, I don't think that harry can dodge a kunai to the head. And dont say tha because he play Quidditch he can suddenly dodge something that go that fast, Even if he is a mage he still have the strenght, the agility and the reflex of a normal human, maybe one that do sport but it still normal.
Harry can react fast enough to cast Protego to deflect them...
and I dont think Shikamaru can throw a Kunai that fast that Harry could not dodge, unless it is very close like a few feet away...

[Fuujin]

lol shika ofc

[Myns]

twirling about in the air, upside down, blood rushing to the head, so I doubt he can use his Shadow Bind...

Even twirling in the air he can use the Shadow Bind, it not because he flying that he does not have a shadow anymore. He only need a moment to catch him in His SB and to destroy his wand.


Harry can react fast enough to cast Protego to deflect them...
and I dont think Shikamaru can throw a Kunai that fast that Harry could not dodge, unless it is very close like a few feet away...

Harry CANNOT react fast enough to cast a spell when a kunai is heading for his head, to cast a spell you must SAY the spell and even if it wandless you must think of the spell for it to work and thinking about it is enough time for the kunai to have made it objectif. And Harry have the reflex of a normal human, a kunai trown form Shikamaru is enough to kill him.

Anyway, can the Protego even protect from physical harm? Because according to Wikipedia it can't:

Protego (Shield Charm)

Pronunciation: Pro-TAY-go (IPA: [pɹəʊ.'teɪ.gəʊ])
Description: The Shield Charm causes minor to moderate jinxes, curses, and hexes to rebound upon the attacker.
Seen/Mentioned: First seen in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire where Harry is taught this spell by Hermione in preparation for the third task in the Triwizard Tournament. Harry also uses the spell in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix against Snape's Legilimency, and it is used by Harry Potter at the Ministry in order to deflect Bellatrix's Summoning Spell. Used again in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince when Harry verbally deflects a jinx cast by Snape.
Etymology: Latin protego, "I cover" or "I protect".
Notes: In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Lord Voldemort conjured a shield out of midair to defend himself against an attack by Professor Dumbledore. This may have been a variant of Protego. The original description of this spell states that it rebounds minor jinxes to the caster. However, it is shown in the books that it can also be used to reflect or lessen the effects of more powerful spells, depending on the skill of the caster.
If Harry protect himself from a kunai with that he wont survive.

[PradaBrada]

its over shika won

[Estrecca]

If Harry protect himself from a kunai with that he wont survive.

Nitpick: If movieverse canon is to be considered, then Protego was used by Umbridge to stop arrows, so it should also stop kunai if cast fast enough. "If cast fast enough" being the operative words. I still think that this is an unholy curbstomp.

[Jeltz]

Shika would in almost any scenario shadow bind Harry and win. Harry while being a quite skilled wizard for his age and having good reactions does not have any real combat training or battle experience. He wouldn't notice the shadow until it was too late. Harry does not kill people so Shika would be a live more than long enough to be able to disable Harry with the shadow bind.

[Piekage]

Harry while being a quite skilled wizard for his age and having good reactions does not have any real combat training or battle experience.


I would have to disagree. Harry's been in a number of combat situations. Protecting Sirius in Book 3, against Voldemort and a Dragon in Book 4, around the end of book 5 and against Draco in Book 6.

[The Sentry]

Shikamaru will win with relative ease. Hairy Pothead is nothing without his wooden stick. Mods end this tread, its over. BELIEVE IT