Darth Vader vs Voldemort

[Crimson Dragoon]

It seems to be that Vader has some trouble, going by some of the posts in CBR. Any thoughts?

[The Internet]

reporting thread to get moved to joke battledome

[Graham Aker]

It seems to be that Vader has some trouble, going by some of the posts in CBR. Any thoughts?
if you're enemy can teleport and read your mind, possess you and what not, you are obviously going to have trouble...

[TWF]

if you're enemy can teleport and read your mind, possess you and what not, you are obviously going to have trouble...

Vader's Pre-Cog, TK, superhuman speed and agility > Voldemort's magic.

[Darklyre]

Except that Vader can ALSO read minds, has telekinesis, precognition, and can do the Jedi Mind Trick (and isn't Possession a Dark Side ability, too?).

[Graham Aker]

clearly...

can do the Jedi Mind Trick
works only on the weak minded...


Vader wins this btw...
*walks away in disgust*

[TWF]

Except that Vader can ALSO read minds, has telekinesis, precognition, and can do the Jedi Mind Trick (and isn't Possession a Dark Side ability, too?).

You forgot that he can also choke people thousands of light years away just by being able to sense them in the Force too. Or crushing people's organs or giving some a seizure, or any other way of attacking a person's body internally or externally with the Force.

[Toru Hidaka]

looks like vader wins it

[Paul the SK]

Expanded universe really exaggerates things.

Don't you wish every fiction had some cheap "expanded universe" that raises the character's abilities through godmod h4xxing.

[DeaD EnD]

vader would definitely win oO'
like white fang said he's able to choke people, and they don't even have to be near by ^^

[Estrecca]

You forgot that he can also choke people thousands of light years away just by being able to sense them in the Force too. Or crushing people's organs or giving some a seizure, or any other way of attacking a person's body internally or externally with the Force.

I would like an actual reference for Vader doing any of these things. Particularly for this alleged multi light year Force choke, considering that the best similar thing I am aware of would be the killing of Admiral Ozzel. Who most certainly wasn't more than a few kilometers away from Vader at most at the point of his death and who was in direct communication with the Dark Lord at this point.

In other news, Voldemort does have at the very least spells that can kill Voldemort. Telekinesis vs wand complicates things, but Vader is overconfident and as seen in TESB he is happily willing to give his enemies a free shot before disarming them. If he does something similar against an Avada Kedabra, he dies, simple as that.

[Graham Aker]

Vader actually woudnt be able to do anything if Voldemort possesses him...

[Sasori]

Voldemort does have at the very least spells that can kill Voldemort.Suicide no jutsu

[K I S K E]

Vader actually woudnt be able to do anything if Voldemort possesses him...

Voldemort actually wouldn't be able to do anything if Vader FUCKING KILLS HIM.

[Gaelek_13]

Voldemort senses that Vader wants to Force Choke him and prepares a defence only to find that The Force has clouded his judgement and he's already been crushed in to a messy ball.

Vader wins.

[Crimson Dragoon]

your right vader has special reflexes he is the only one in this fight who moves slower then an old man

did we see the same movies?

that was not a fast man..he was actually slow then obi who by the time he was in his fifites or sixities looked like he was eighty some the years where not good to this man

yet he was slightly faster then vader


an inexperienced farm boy..friking jumps around him while emoing out about the fight to the point where vader gets his arm nicked screams in pain and before that was hurling around jive to keep luke down


and..your saying he is fastrer then voldy? this..is simply not true and the movie does portray a very intimidaitng force

but this force was extremly slow..slugish so no..your wrong to say vader has an edge in speed

furuthor more i believe in order of the phoenix when doing battle him and dumbledor apeared as blurrs..on sheer speed in whcih they aparated

i dont know how it is..in the movie but
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LOL at this "argument".

Sorry for the cheap jab, I couldn't help myself.

[Gaelek_13]

your right vader has special reflexes he is the only one in this fight who moves slower then an old man

did we see the same movies?

that was not a fast man..he was actually slow then obi who by the time he was in his fifites or sixities looked like he was eighty some the years where not good to this man

yet he was slightly faster then vader


an inexperienced farm boy..friking jumps around him while emoing out about the fight to the point where vader gets his arm nicked screams in pain and before that was hurling around jive to keep luke down


and..your saying he is fastrer then voldy? this..is simply not true and the movie does portray a very intimidaitng force

but this force was extremly slow..slugish so no..your wrong to say vader has an edge in speed

furuthor more i believe in order of the phoenix when doing battle him and dumbledor apeared as blurrs..on sheer speed in whcih they aparated

i dont know how it is..in the movie but

On Kessel Vader alone took on four or five Jedi at the same time, killing two or three of them before the Stormtroopers killed the rest.

Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke hence his disarming of him by cutting off his hand, he wasn't trying to kill his own son that's the whole point. Vader was full of conflict about what to do in relation to Luke, if he'd wanted to kill him I don't doubt he could've done in Empire.

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Meh...Voldemort is strong and all but Vader has a better chance of winning. But you can't underestimate Avada Kedavra.

[TWF]

I would like an actual reference for Vader doing any of these things. Particularly for this alleged multi light year Force choke, considering that the best similar thing I am aware of would be the killing of Admiral Ozzel. Who most certainly wasn't more than a few kilometers away from Vader at most at the point of his death and who was in direct communication with the Dark Lord at this point.

In other news, Voldemort does have at the very least spells that can kill Voldemort. Telekinesis vs wand complicates things, but Vader is overconfident and as seen in TESB he is happily willing to give his enemies a free shot before disarming them. If he does something similar against an Avada Kedabra, he dies, simple as that.

Steve Perry's Shadows of the Empire novel, Vader was Force Choking Xizor on Coruscant while he was aboard the Executor in the Hoth System....

[Lord Snow]

Vader wins with ease.

[Iris]

Vader in an epic rapestomp.

[Superrazien]

I'm Sorry but Force Choke pwns the Harry Potterverse, unless they have that Ginni weed shit. If this is Cyborg Vader, Voldy might have a better shot at winning just cause he isn't that agile, but if this is ROTS Vader then forget it, it's a massive rapestomp on a whole new level

[Ulfgar]

Vader rapestomps as nothing can defeat a lightsaber or force powers because they are made of pure win.

[Wuzzman]

interesting fight, Magic vs Force (dark side). I declare it a TIE!!!

[ShinobiOneKenobi]

Darth vader would have him BEAT!..

O.. And when i saw it.. for reasons unknown cause i really hate harry potter.. me and my friend believe that it shouldnt be the order of the pheonix.. it should be the New Improved A-Team.. The team would consist of dumbeldor.. Gandolf.. Darthvader .. Chuck norris.. Samuel "Goddamn" Jackson... yoda.. Morgan freeman.. Bobby lee.. Luke skywalker.. Bruce lee... Mr T... ect ect .. the only people who really wouldnt be in the Team.. would be the harry potter people ... except Dumbeldor.. cause he's just cool.. :laugh

[Estrecca]

Steve Perry's Shadows of the Empire novel, Vader was Force Choking Xizor on Coruscant while he was aboard the Executor in the Hoth System....

I have this novel and have quickly re-read it, because I didn't remember this feat. It turns out that I haven't found it now.

In fact, I have found something that almost directly contradicts your claim: when Vader contacts Palpatine to report the destruction of a rebel shipyard in Vergesso, Vader is furious to find Xizor standing next to the Emperor (gloating about him having provided the information about this rebel base) and Vader thinks that Xizor should be thaknful of the distance of light-years separating them, because if he had had Xizor within his reach he would have killed the Falleen Prince.

I suppose that I might have missed this multi-light year Force Choke, but now I would really want a better reference (with mention of chapter or at least the rough location of the event within the novel) or an actual quote, if at all possible.

[Purble Place]

Vader imo, force choke and theres so much to it. he can prolly deflect spells with his lightsaber. plus hes so damn cool. i mean if harry and dumbledore can dodge voldemort, i'm sure vader should be faster, with all the force jumps etc. theres also force pull, force push, he can prolly just use the force to break voldemorts wand. plus the force also allows you to see in the future, and even predict your enemies attacks.

[Nanatsurugi]

lol are you serious? :sag
Voldemort gets owned by a child in each movie :lmao and you ask what happens here?
Vader's shoes going to be dirty and that's all.

[Comic Book Guy]

I'm a bigger fan of HP than SW, and even I have to say Vader wins it. Voldemort may have projectile advantages to Vader's lightsaber, but Force powers are of a longer, and arguably more versatile range.

[Gaelek_13]

I'm a bigger fan of HP than SW, and even I have to say Vader wins it. Voldemort may have projectile advantages to Vader's lightsaber, but Force powers are of a longer, and arguably more versatile range.

Also Vader was a Sith Apprentice for like...what? Twenty years? Sure, he couldn't use Force Lightning but betcha Palpatine taught him other stuff he could utilise.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Well, I hear the movie version of Voldemort is stronger than his book counterpart. If we use the movie OOTP Voldy, does he have a chance against Vader?

[WILD CARD]

Darth Vader because Starwarsverse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harry Potter in power.

[Aokiji]

Vader actually woudnt be able to do anything if Voldemort possesses him...

Harry was able to break this spell...

[Graham Aker]

Well, I hear the movie version of Voldemort is stronger than his book counterpart. If we use the movie OOTP Voldy, does he have a chance against Vader?
it only appeared that way because film Dumbledore was shite...
the guy fell on his back, what the fuck?

Harry was able to break this spell...
Harry didnt break the spell, Voldemort chose to leave him because he cant stand being inside Harry, because Harry has something that Voldemort does not, something which Voldemort detest' hence, he left Harry...

[Aokiji]

I was talking about Imperio.

[Graham Aker]

I was talking about Imperio.
I wasnt.
by possession I meant Voldemort invading the body.

and, well, if Voldemort starts with this(possession) in this match, not even the Force can save Vader, Voldemort would just have him ignite his Lightsabre on his face...

[TWF]

I wasnt.
by possession I meant Voldemort invading the body.

and, well, if Voldemort starts with this(possession) in this match, not even the Force can save Vader, Voldemort would just have him ignite his Lightsabre on his face...

Vader Force Chokes him. Or TK's his ass through the sky until he come's back down to earth at terminal velocity.

[Graham Aker]

Vader Force Chokes him. Or TK's his ass through the sky until he come's back down to earth at terminal velocity.
yes, Vader does that to himself since Voldemort IS inside of him...
he Force Chokes himself and TK's his ass to the sky yadayadayada, which would look quite silly... doing all that to himself I mean...

and I did say "if Voldemort starts with yadayada"
in-character, Voldemort wouldnt do that, at the start of the fight...

[Comic Book Guy]

I'll point out that Voldemort may have been able to influence and possess Harry because not only is he a skilled Legilimens, but also of the connection between the two.

Harry repelled him because he knows and have love, something which Voldemort is unable to understand and perhaps feel.

In addition, book-wise, I can't remember whether Voldemort's form dissipated into Harry while possessing him or was doing this while at a distance while engaging Dumbledore. I'd consult my book, had I not lent it to someone else because of the 5th movie release and her wanting to reread it.

[TWF]

yes, Vader does that to himself since Voldemort IS inside of him...
he Force Chokes himself and TK's his ass to the sky yadayadayada, which would look quite silly... doing all that to himself I mean...

and I did say "if Voldemort starts with yadayada"
in-character, Voldemort wouldnt do that, at the start of the fight...

Vader can resist mental attacks. You haven't read Star Wars EU....

[BlademasterXIII]

Force choke+uncontrollable rage=dead lord moldyshorts

[Kazuma the Shell Bullet]

It seems to be that Vader has some trouble, going by some of the posts in CBR. Any thoughts?AHA AHA HA! You mean on the same forum where people thought that Inuyasha beats Vader because of "superior speed" or "kills him with a windscar from hundreds of miles away". CBR is so horribly biased against SW it's not even funny

[Crimson Dragoon]

AHA AHA HA! You mean on the same forum where people thought that Inuyasha beats Vader because of "superior speed" or "kills him with a windscar from hundreds of miles away". CBR is so horribly biased against SW it's not even funny

That was Palpatine, not Vader. And to be fair, the people who posted in that disaster of a thread weren't in the Vader vs Voldemort topic. Plus I think CBR has gotten rid some of the bias against Wars. Some, but not all.

[Graham Aker]

I'll point out that Voldemort may have been able to influence and possess Harry because not only is he a skilled Legilimens, but also of the connection between the two.

Harry repelled him because he knows and have love, something which Voldemort is unable to understand and perhaps feel.

In addition, book-wise, I can't remember whether Voldemort's form dissipated into Harry while possessing him or was doing this while at a distance while engaging Dumbledore. I'd consult my book, had I not lent it to someone else because of the 5th movie release and her wanting to reread it.
he was IN Harry, he did ask Dumbledore, while in Harry's body, to "kill us"

Vader can resist mental attacks. You haven't read Star Wars EU....
oh I've read, but this isnt a mere Mental Attack... its magic, son, magic...
you need to read the Exorcist...

[TWF]

oh I've read, but this isnt a mere Mental Attack... its magic, son, magic...
you need to read the Exorcist...

Vader Force Chokes this Voldemort. Game over.

[Graham Aker]

Vader Force Chokes this Voldemort. Game over.
hmm, thinking about it, the instant Vader starts to Force Choke Voldemort, he would possess him as a last resort... so, Voldemort makes Vader kill himself, game over. :amuse

[TWF]

Vader can crush a man's wind pipe in less then a second. Unless Voldemort suddenly became FTL, I severely doubt that. And you completely must not know that Vader possess superhuman speed and strength with the use of the Force.

[Graham Aker]

Vader can crush a man's wind pipe in less then a second. Unless Voldemort suddenly became FTL, I severely doubt that.
above all things, Voldemort fears death the most, he is wary of it and so when it comes, in that "less than a second" he would possess Vader... probably...

And you completely must not know that Vader possess superhuman speed and strength with the use of the Force.[/quote]
which is why I said Vader would take this... in the first page...

[TWF]

above all things, Voldemort fears death the most, he is wary of it and so when it comes, in that "less than a second" he would possess Vader... probably...

He can not possess Vader, direct mental attacks/telepathy from someone like Voldemort wouldn't do shit except likely tear apart his mind from Vader's rage in the Dark Side.


which is why I said Vader would take this... in the first page...

Ya rly.

[Graham Aker]

He can not possess Vader, direct mental attacks/telepathy from someone like Voldemort wouldn't do shit except likely tear apart his mind from Vader's rage in the Dark Side.
magic... Vader is a muggle, he cant do a thing, even with the Force....
only someone who is magically powerful can resist/break Voldemorts possession...

Ya rly.
your fanboyism blinds you Master Jedi...

[Shizor]

Vader in a curbstomp.

Voldemort cannot handle an opponent so skilled with the Force.

[TWF]

magic... Vader is a muggle, he cant do a thing, even with the Force....
only someone who is magically powerful can resist/break Voldemorts possession...

Muggle's are ordinary human beings with no powers what so ever. Vader is a normal human being now with no powers, superhuman abilites? And by the way Pre-Cognition > Possession. The Force > HPverse magic.


your fanboyism blinds you Master Jedi...

Your magic is insignifigant next to the power of the Force, Warlock.

[Graham Aker]

Muggle's are ordinary human beings with no powers what so ever. Vader is a normal human being now with no powers, superhuman abilites? And by the way Pre-Cognition > Possession. The Force > HPverse magic.

Your magic is insignifigant next to the power of the Force, Warlock.
opinion's are always welcome of course...

[TWF]

opinion's are always welcome of course...

Lol. Read the novels or comics. Or watch the movies or Clone Wars series. :lmao

[Graham Aker]

so they have HPverse magic in Star wars too? adn that they showed that the Force > HPverse magic? hmm, that I have not read/seen, is it a book? or comic? tv series? movie?

I would very much like to read/see that...

[TWF]

Lol. Luke can shield entire planets with illusions with the Force and resist the might of even black holes, or even the feats of the Reborn Palpatine in Dark Empire where he RIPPED APART THE FABRIC OF SPACE AND TIME with just his anger and created FTL wormholes known as Force Storms that exceed the fastest speeds of hyperspace.

[Graham Aker]

though that doesnt prove that one is superior than the other...

the Force and Magic are both very different...

[Comic Book Guy]

Feat-wise, the Force in the EU trumps the magic seen so far in Harry Potter.

From the top of my head, the Force wouldn't be able to overcome the Horcruxes, and perhaps other magic that escapes my mind at the moment.

[Crimson Dragoon]

though that doesnt prove that one is superior than the other...

the Force and Magic are both very different...

But it does prove that some SW characters have tapped into the Force's vast potential while HP characters have yet to do anything really powerful with their magic. Come on, those Time-Turners could have been really useful in combat. I'm sure some of the Wizards could engineer them for battle purposes, such as slowing down time or reversing it during the fight.

[Estrecca]

Lol. Luke can shield entire planets with illusions with the Force and resist the might of even black holes, or even the feats of the Reborn Palpatine in Dark Empire where he RIPPED APART THE FABRIC OF SPACE AND TIME with just his anger and created FTL wormholes known as Force Storms that exceed the fastest speeds of hyperspace.

Let's see. Shielding planets with illusions? He cloaked the Teljkon Vagabond, but that was a single ship roughly the size of an ISD, and only after learning a bit about Fallanassi abilities. Considering that this is Luke moving in a level far beyond the ROTJ farmboy who beat Vader silly and that a Sith Lord is unlikely to know the skills of the White Current, what is the bearing of this feat for this debate, if I might ask?

Also I am interested in knowing what you are talking about when you mention black holes and want to point that I think that you are wrong about Force Storms. Palpatine can create them from interstellar distances, but they don't seem to be FTL... if they are I fail to see how it is possible that one of them needed some time (a few minutes, by all appearances) to destroy the Eclipse.

Finally, did you have a chance to locate that interstellar Force Choke I still haven't found in Shadows of the Empire?

EDIT: I had forgotten about the cloaking of the Jedi Praxeum in Yavin IV. If that is what you mention, I would point that Yavin is a massive Force nexus and that it takes the efforts of many Jedi to keep the cloaking operative. When only a few Padawan and a powerful Master were left, the Peace Brigade was able to locate the planet and land there.

[Shuntensatsu]

This thread is unworthy of having 3 pages.

Vader curbstomps Voldemort while taking a nap.

[Trollzilla]

Vader... Trust me...

[masamune1]

Steve Perry's Shadows of the Empire novel, Vader was Force Choking Xizor on Coruscant while he was aboard the Executor in the Hoth System....

That was the The Bounty Hunter Wars, not Shadows.

[Kokain]

I thought electronics don't work in the presence of powerful magic? Voldemort will stand there like lol wtf n00b while Vader's suit malfunctions.

[Myns]

I thought electronics don't work in the presence of powerful magic? Voldemort will stand there like lol wtf n00b while Vader's suit malfunctions.

Electronics does'nt work in HOGWART (and Voldemort presence does not count as powerfull magic). And even if it happens like that, then Vader would still have enough force to crush Voldemort while he stand there doing nothing.

[Kokain]

I was kidding. Vader wins, unless this is suited movieverse-only Vader.

[Estrecca]

That was the The Bounty Hunter Wars, not Shadows.

Feat found, read and accepted in the Mandalorian Armor. Although visual contact or a Force bond appears to be needed for this kind of thing, interstellar range for Vader's abilities is undeniable with this piece of evidence.