If God was evil, would you still willingly follow?

[Link]

If god were evil, or a lunatic, would you still follow him? Knowing what might be in store for you by opposing such a god, would you still worship and respect the god, even if he committed horrible acts against mortals? Are you willing to compromise your life and perhaps even soul for ideals of good?
"But God isn't evil!" is not an appropriate answer to this thread. Spare a little thought to answer properly.

[Juubi]

If God were evil, then we proabably wouldn't have any other choice. I'm not sure that God would give us free will if he were that much of a bastard.

[Verdius]

I'd apply the same to that god if you asked me if I'd follow any other evil lunatic type character - no.

[Sub-Zero]

Well, I don't follow "God" at all... Although, I guess I still wouldn't follow him, just because I don't believe in him.. so, no I guess I wouldn't follow him?

[MartialHorror]

If God was evil and made himself known, you and I would both worship him anyway.

No one is brave enough to attack someone who could send you to eternity of punishment.

If this was simply a matter of "would you follow a religion if God was evil in it", then no I would not.

[Link]

If God was evil and made himself known, you and I would both worship him anyway.
Speak for yourself.

No one is brave enough to attack someone who could send you to eternity of punishment.

Also incorrect. In the grand scheme of eternity, it would be inevitable that you would do something that would dissatisfy such a god. I think it's better to be punished for being good and foolish than to be punished for being evil and wise.

[Saufsoldat]

If he was evil he'd send us to hell anyway so I would oppose him and fight him with everything possible. I don't know if you can kill a god but, hell yeah, I'd die trying.

[The Internet]

I'd eat a potato and go super irishman and kill him.

Everyone knows that when an Irishman eats a potato they become omnipotent. Their usually just too drunk to notice.

[Sub-Zero]

I'd eat a potato and go super irishman and kill him.

Everyone knows that when an Irishman eats a potato they become omnipotent. Their usually just too drunk to notice.
QFT.:amuse

[Diamed]

I would worship/follow an evil God if he had the power to damn me. There's nothing I can do about it, so I may as well carve out what little happiness I can.

[Pilaf]

If god were evil, or a lunatic, would you still follow him? Knowing what might be in store for you by opposing such a god, would you still worship and respect the god, even if he committed horrible acts against mortals? Are you willing to compromise your life and perhaps even soul for ideals of good?
"But God isn't evil!" is not an appropriate answer to this thread. Spare a little thought to answer properly.


The portrayal of the God character in the Bible, Torah and Qu'ran and the actions he commits or condones all fit my exact description of evil and/or insanity. To make matters worse, he contradicts himself by providing a list of Commandments which directly go against acts he's committed himself in the same books. I would not consider following this version of God.

[drache]

If God was evil and made himself known, you and I would both worship him anyway.

No one is brave enough to attack someone who could send you to eternity of punishment.

If this was simply a matter of "would you follow a religion if God was evil in it", then no I would not.

Really? I wouldn't have a probelm where he could shove his offer. Better to die honestly then live a lie.

I would never follow an evil god, nor a pyscotic god. It's just simply not something I would do.

[Edo]

I believe that God can not be evil or lunatic by definition....we are of course talking about the invisible one might God here, right? Or are you talking about Gods like in myths?

But to answer your question keeping it simple, NO, I wouldn't follow an evil God.

The portrayal of the God character in the Bible, Torah and Qu'ran and the actions he commits or condones all fit my exact description of evil and/or insanity. To make matters worse, he contradicts himself by providing a list of Commandments which directly go against acts he's committed himself in the same books. I would not consider following this version of God.

Where does that happen in the bible? By Bible, I mean the new testament and not the old.

The Quran is another issue though, and some might argue that it is not the same God.

[Goodfellow]

What god:lmao?

[Saufsoldat]

Where does that happen in the bible? By Bible, I mean the new testament and not the old.

The Quran is another issue though, and some might argue that it is not the same God.

Bible = OT+NT you can't just leave out some books, cause they're unpleasant to you.

[Edo]

Bible = OT+NT you can't just leave out some books, cause they're unpleasant to you.

True, then the God of the New testament. :wink

[Saufsoldat]

True, then the God of the New testament. :wink

He's still the same god... :notrust

[Edo]

He's still the same god... :notrust

In a sense yes, yet if you compare the two it is like two different entities.

[Sacros]

You guys have to forgive martial horror. He is one of those people who got scared into religion.

ontopic:
Depends on whether or not he lets me get some super powers.

[fghj]

What god:lmao?
Bob. .

[Saufsoldat]

In a sense yes, yet if you compare the two it is like two different entities.

just one of the many absurdities in the bible and about christianity :oh

[fghj]

^who says God can't act different 6000 years ago and 2000

[Goodfellow]

Bob. .

Bob is alright.

[Sacros]

^who says God can't act different 6000 years ago and 2000


If he had a change in personality that means one of the personalities were flawed. If god has flaws then he isnt really the god he was made out to be.

Only people change and learn. He is supposed to be constant and forever/horribly offtopic


But seriously if I could become one of the 4 horsemen and gain powers and have bitches and enslave you guys I would.

[drache]

Bible = OT+NT you can't just leave out some books, cause they're unpleasant to you.

Well you can't without exampling how the infailible bible is suddenly flawed.

And yes Edo, the OT and the NT god seem nothing alike, which is why when people insist they are the same that I logically have to assume then that god is simply nuts.

[erictheking]

smh..

God cannot be evil. Whatever being is meant by 'God' in the traditional sense, cannot by definition be evil. Not because God is good, but any God outside of space & time, any infinite God, transcends all good & evil. The question has too many holes in it for anyone to give a proper answer.

[drache]

smh..

God cannot be evil. Whatever being is meant by 'God' in the traditional sense, cannot by definition be evil. Not because God is good, but any God outside of space & time, any infinite God, transcends all good & evil. The question has too many holes in it for anyone to give a proper answer.

I'm sorry snake but there are many different ideas of what god is and not all of them agree with the Christian idea of God.

So perhaps it would be better to say you believe that your God by definition can not be evil. Though that brings up the intriguing question, then can god make whatever he wants to be good and whatever he doesn't like evil?

[fghj]

If he had a change in personality that means one of the personalities were flawed. If god has flaws then he isnt really the god he was made out to be.

Only people change and learn. He is supposed to be constant and forever/horribly offtopic
God yes, but maybe people & setting of that time demanded God to be cruel.

[Verdius]

God yes, but maybe people & setting of that time demanded God to be cruel.

*wonders why then the christian god didn't start destroying whole cities in other parts of the world back in those times*

Anyway let's get back on topic here shall we? We can argue over the ill defined definition of a god in another thread.

[Chiyo]

Define evil.

The truth is, IMO, that there is no good and evil, just opposing views.

[The Fourth Hokage]

God being God doesn't necessarily imply that we would follow. Humans follow God because of the goodness that He represents. Just as the majority of the world do not willingly follow an icon which represents evil (eg "the devil") I assert that if God were evil then there would be only a minority who would still worship.

[Marl]

Of course I would.

"Just as planned."

And if you get that, well done. If not, well, I guess you'll be forever haunted by the fact you didn't understand yet another one of my meaningful posts.

[Juubi]

If God was evil, then this would have happened:

Long ago, before men walked the earth, the earth was inhabited by powerful beings named Angels who were ruled by the great lord God. But God was an evil god, and the Angels were nothing more than slaves to him. For years, they toiled, laboring for this tyrant.
Then one day, a child was born. This child showed great potential for being the most powerful Angel to ever exist, said to have an aura so strong that a glow emanated from his being, and a ring of spiritual energy saved for only the strongest of Angels, called a halo, hovered above him since the moment of birth. This "child of light" would become known as Lucifer.
Discovering the potential of this child, God stole him from Lucifer from his true parents, raising him as his adopted son along with his true son Metatron, teaching him the strongest techniques of spiritual power and raising him as royalty, ingraining years of belief in the current system and instilling loyalty in his "son."
Lucifer quickly ascended to the highest ranks in God's kingdom, quickly becoming his most powerful and loyal fighter. Lucifer destroyed many angels in the name of God, and adored his father. However, this would all change when he met his true brother, Azael.
Finding an affinity with this dark character (Azael was known as the Angel of Darkness and was despised by the royal family), Lucifer would explore the unknown area of this world with his newfound friend, unbeknownst to him that his "friend" was now the only true family he had.
Azael, who hated God, would constantly tell Lucifer of his evils, and introduce him to rebel fighters. Lucifer soon began to question the goodness of God's reign.
Soon after their meetings began, God found out about them, and was pleased, for Lucifer now knew of the location of every major rebel base. One day, God confronted Lucifer, and told him to exterminate the rebels, including his new friend Azael. Lucifer, in his unwavering loyalty, went to the rebel bases and began to do his father's bidding.
Lucifer couldn't be stopped by many of the rebels, and many of them were killed, but just as he was about to kill a young boy named Uriel, the son of a rebel, he was stopped by the turned blade of his friend Azael. It was then that Azael revealed the truth of his heritage, and told Lucifer the secret of the brothers of light and darkness. They combined, wielded enough power to destroy the evil tyrant God and bring peace to the kingdom.
Horrified by the truth, Lucifer became enraged, and together with Azael, raised a large army, poised to destroy the man who had betrayed them for so long. Years passed, and after being victorious in every battle, the two brothers challenged God himself, and completely overpowered him.
However, just as they were about to kill God, Lucifer was mortally wounded by none other than his new top general, Uriel, who wanted nothing more than revenge against the man who had killed his family and gave him the long scar that now lay upon his left cheek. God was pleased with Uriel, and managed to escape with his new follower.
Horrified, Azael watched as Lucifer lay, dying. Doing the only thing that he could out of love for his brother, Azael sacrificed his own essence, healing and protecting Lucifer.
As Lucifer lay on the cold, bare floor of the palace, tears flowed from his eyes, saddened by both his failure and the loss of his brother. Vowing to return, Lucifer had no choice but to retreat to the lower realms of Earth, hiding from God's recovering army.
He is now slowly gathering strength, and searching for the next embodiment of darkness, in the hopes of defeating the evil lord that has control of this world. There are only but few Angels in his realm, but now a different lifeform has evolved that has even greater potential--men.

[Aiee!]

No, because I still wouldn't believe in God.

[troublesum-chan]

:/ i think the Milgram experiment would attest to a "yes".

Someone who you hold in high regard, someone in this case you would entrust your SOUL to, would be one you'd follow even as you were doing evil things because they tell you its ok. Because its for an "altruistic" cause.

imo, you shouldn't trust your soul, your ethics, your decisions to anyone but yourself.

[Freiza]

if god were "evil' or a "lunatic" i wouldn't know because i have been following him since i was little :vegetant

[Adonis]

if god were "evil' or a "lunatic" i wouldn't know because i have been following him since i was little :vegetant

Such a compelling argument...

[mislead]

To put it simply, yes. "Evil" is just that much more interesting than "good".

This is, of course, assuming that "good" and "evil" are objectively existing entities, not dependent on God himself.

[Link]

If God was evil, then this would have happened:

Long ago, before men walked the earth, the earth was inhabited by powerful beings named Angels who were ruled by the great lord God. But God was an evil god, and the Angels were nothing more than slaves to him. For years, they toiled, laboring for this tyrant.
Then one day, a child was born. This child showed great potential for being the most powerful Angel to ever exist, said to have an aura so strong that a glow emanated from his being, and a ring of spiritual energy saved for only the strongest of Angels, called a halo, hovered above him since the moment of birth. This "child of light" would become known as Lucifer.
Discovering the potential of this child, God stole him from Lucifer from his true parents, raising him as his adopted son along with his true son Metatron, teaching him the strongest techniques of spiritual power and raising him as royalty, ingraining years of belief in the current system and instilling loyalty in his "son."
Lucifer quickly ascended to the highest ranks in God's kingdom, quickly becoming his most powerful and loyal fighter. Lucifer destroyed many angels in the name of God, and adored his father. However, this would all change when he met his true brother, Azael.
Finding an affinity with this dark character (Azael was known as the Angel of Darkness and was despised by the royal family), Lucifer would explore the unknown area of this world with his newfound friend, unbeknownst to him that his "friend" was now the only true family he had.
Azael, who hated God, would constantly tell Lucifer of his evils, and introduce him to rebel fighters. Lucifer soon began to question the goodness of God's reign.
Soon after their meetings began, God found out about them, and was pleased, for Lucifer now knew of the location of every major rebel base. One day, God confronted Lucifer, and told him to exterminate the rebels, including his new friend Azael. Lucifer, in his unwavering loyalty, went to the rebel bases and began to do his father's bidding.
Lucifer couldn't be stopped by many of the rebels, and many of them were killed, but just as he was about to kill a young boy named Uriel, the son of a rebel, he was stopped by the turned blade of his friend Azael. It was then that Azael revealed the truth of his heritage, and told Lucifer the secret of the brothers of light and darkness. They combined, wielded enough power to destroy the evil tyrant God and bring peace to the kingdom.
Horrified by the truth, Lucifer became enraged, and together with Azael, raised a large army, poised to destroy the man who had betrayed them for so long. Years passed, and after being victorious in every battle, the two brothers challenged God himself, and completely overpowered him.
However, just as they were about to kill God, Lucifer was mortally wounded by none other than his new top general, Uriel, who wanted nothing more than revenge against the man who had killed his family and gave him the long scar that now lay upon his left cheek. God was pleased with Uriel, and managed to escape with his new follower.
Horrified, Azael watched as Lucifer lay, dying. Doing the only thing that he could out of love for his brother, Azael sacrificed his own essence, healing and protecting Lucifer.
As Lucifer lay on the cold, bare floor of the palace, tears flowed from his eyes, saddened by both his failure and the loss of his brother. Vowing to return, Lucifer had no choice but to retreat to the lower realms of Earth, hiding from God's recovering army.
He is now slowly gathering strength, and searching for the next embodiment of darkness, in the hopes of defeating the evil lord that has control of this world. There are only but few Angels in his realm, but now a different lifeform has evolved that has even greater potential--men.
Nice fanfic
When's the next chapter? I like how you reference the nephilim. Maybe their exploits and the flood could be the subject matter for the next part.

Great responses folks. As for the objectivity of evil and good- consider benevolence, kindness, and justice are good. Cruelty, meanness, and injustice would be evil.
The question of said god's omnipotence and omniscience I won't answer. Just assume you don't know the answer yourself. He might be, or he might not be.

[Pilaf]

In a sense yes, yet if you compare the two it is like two different entities.


"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17)

[MartialHorror]

I would like to respond to the people who responded to me by saying

you are all overestimating yourselves. If I held a gun to your head and told you to do something then you would probably do it, even if you dont think you would. also, you dont fear the idea of hell because you dont believe in it. Death is one thing, eternal punishment is another.

Also realize an evil God would probably force his will on us, and we would probably be doing things in his name without realizing we are doing evil because he tells us we are doing good.

[Sacros]

No you are underestimating everyone else. There are people who are willing to die then let some pissant with power tell them what to do. Just because you are a coward doesn't mean everyone else is. :oh

[pek]

the thing is, even death wont be an escape. i would follow.

[MartialHorror]

No you are underestimating everyone else. There are people who are willing to die then let some pissant with power tell them what to do. Just because you are a coward doesn't mean everyone else is. :oh

Im not a coward, I'm simply realistic.

Also, if this God makes us in his own image, then wouldn't we be all evil then?

[Link]

Im not a coward, I'm simply realistic.

Also, if this God makes us in his own image, then wouldn't we be all evil then?
Well, this thread is not saying god is evil. It's a discussion of what you would do, and how you would respond to that scenario. So, this is a purely personal question, stop trying to speak for other people.
And that's an interesting question. But turn it on it's head.
If god was perfectly good, and he created us in his image, wouldn't we all be good then?

[drache]

I would like to respond to the people who responded to me by saying

you are all overestimating yourselves. If I held a gun to your head and told you to do something then you would probably do it, even if you dont think you would. also, you dont fear the idea of hell because you dont believe in it. Death is one thing, eternal punishment is another.

Also realize an evil God would probably force his will on us, and we would probably be doing things in his name without realizing we are doing evil because he tells us we are doing good.

You're either willing to die for your beliefs or you're not. That said dying for your beliefs is easy, living for them is hard.

However I wouldn't comprise myself no matter how powerful the being is. You shouldn't underestimate people, there are people that have set themselves on fire in protest.

[Katsura]

No you are underestimating everyone else. There are people who are willing to die then let some pissant with power tell them what to do. Just because you are a coward doesn't mean everyone else is. :oh

Are you really this naive? We are not talking about simple 'death'. We're talking about damnation, or eternal torture, if you will. Try the rack.

The rack consists of an oblong rectangular, usually wooden frame, slightly raised from the ground, with a roller at one, or both, ends, having at one end a fixed bar to which the legs were fastened, and at the other a movable bar to which the hands were tied. The victim's feet are fastened to one roller, and the wrists are chained to the other.

As the interrogation progresses, a handle and ratchet attached to the top roller are used to very gradually stepwise increase the tension on the chains, which induces excruciating pain as the victim's joints slowly dislocate. By means of pulleys and levers this latter could be rolled on its own axis, thus straining the ropes till the sufferers joints were dislocated.

One gruesome aspect of being stretched too far on the rack is the loud popping noises made by snapping cartilage, ligaments or bones. Eventually, if the application of the rack is continued, the victim's limbs are ripped right off.

Indeed, a person stretched on the rack presented the ultimate spectacle of the body in pain. A victim would often be placed on the rack naked or nearly so, and their taut skin would run with the sweat of their agonies. Wrists and ankles would be swollen and bloodied from the bite of ropes or manacles. The spread-eagled posture left no part of the body invulnerable from the application of other devices like hot irons or pincers, or immune from the attention of those gathered to observe the torture.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/A_Torture_Rack.jpg/400px-A_Torture_Rack.jpg

That, or obey. Choose your pick.

[Lover Boy]

If god was evil the definition of evil would be good. God creates all so if he was evil then evil would be the thing to be and good people would be punished

[Sacros]

Are you really this naive? We are not talking about simple 'death'. We're talking about damnation, or eternal torture, if you will. Try the rack.

The rack consists of an oblong rectangular, usually wooden frame, slightly raised from the ground, with a roller at one, or both, ends, having at one end a fixed bar to which the legs were fastened, and at the other a movable bar to which the hands were tied. The victim's feet are fastened to one roller, and the wrists are chained to the other.

As the interrogation progresses, a handle and ratchet attached to the top roller are used to very gradually stepwise increase the tension on the chains, which induces excruciating pain as the victim's joints slowly dislocate. By means of pulleys and levers this latter could be rolled on its own axis, thus straining the ropes till the sufferers joints were dislocated.

One gruesome aspect of being stretched too far on the rack is the loud popping noises made by snapping cartilage, ligaments or bones. Eventually, if the application of the rack is continued, the victim's limbs are ripped right off.

Indeed, a person stretched on the rack presented the ultimate spectacle of the body in pain. A victim would often be placed on the rack naked or nearly so, and their taut skin would run with the sweat of their agonies. Wrists and ankles would be swollen and bloodied from the bite of ropes or manacles. The spread-eagled posture left no part of the body invulnerable from the application of other devices like hot irons or pincers, or immune from the attention of those gathered to observe the torture.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/A_Torture_Rack.jpg/400px-A_Torture_Rack.jpg

That, or obey. Choose your pick.


Im pretty sure there were plenty of people who died on those things. I know alot of you guys cant understand being able to suffer just because what you believe in, but there is plenty of people who would.

[Neko]

Sure why not :sag

[MartialHorror]

Drache: Once again, the worst that has ever happened to a protestor of any kind of a painful death. None have ever risked their soul.

Link: "Gods image" seems to simply mean the knowledge of good and evil and the capacity for either, which means God can be both or neither. Although being there seems to be more good people than bad people......

[Juubi]

I'm laughing at you guys that act like you're tough. Let's see how tough you would be after a billion years of hell. The intensity from such an experience would be so traumatic that you would cease to have any shred of your former existence and would be reduced to a blank creature wandering in darkness.
Seriously, if God were evil, we'd all be on his dick, unless there was someone powerful who could help us.

[drache]

Eh, Juubyi I don't make any claim to be tough.

I simply claim that I wouldn't follow an evil god, and you're assuming such a god could do that.

MH: see above, you have no evidence that an evil god could threaten my soul. That's just your belief, I personally would disagree.

[Sacros]

I'm laughing at you guys that act like you're tough. Let's see how tough you would be after a billion years of hell. The intensity from such an experience would be so traumatic that you would cease to have any shred of your former existence and would be reduced to a blank creature wandering in darkness.

Then thats not the same person. Thats god basically having to reprogram you because you defied him.

But that goes against the Concept of Free will. If we truly have free will whether he is evil or not they're will be people who can resist him ala Lucifer.

[beads]

This reminds me of the other thread I've been reading, about what is good and evil. If God were evil, there would certainly be people that blindly follow him because they believe what he is doing is right. The sad thing is, the majority of people would follow an "evil" god.

[Link]

The way I see it, there are religiously fervent believers that do horrible acts of evil, even knowing they might be condemned to hell by god for it (molesting little children for example). So, there would also be people that would do acts of good even if they were condemned to hell for it.

[Fiasco]

If God were evil, then we proabably wouldn't have any other choice. I'm not sure that God would give us free will if he were that much of a bastard.

I believe that also

[Tokoyami]

If God was evil and made himself known, you and I would both worship him anyway.

No one is brave enough to attack someone who could send you to eternity of punishment.

If this was simply a matter of "would you follow a religion if God was evil in it", then no I would not.Again I'd openly challenge him.....my having to spite his overly omnipotent ego inflated ass would probably overcome my common sense.

And hell isn't really that bad.....think of this way free boiling mud baths for eternity......

[Juubi]

Again I'd openly challenge him.....my having to spite his overly omnipotent ego inflated ass would probably overcome my common sense.

And hell isn't really that bad.....think of this way free boiling mud baths for eternity......

Really? I bet that if someone lit you on fire right now, then put it out, and told you that if you didn't do what they said then they'd fry you forever, you would act like a good little boy and follow their every command.

[MartialHorror]

Eh, Juubyi I don't make any claim to be tough.

I simply claim that I wouldn't follow an evil god, and you're assuming such a god could do that.

MH: see above, you have no evidence that an evil god could threaten my soul. That's just your belief, I personally would disagree.

ah, a good point, assuming an evil God can do that.

The rest of the points presented are so laughable Im going to stop bothering with responces.

[Saufsoldat]

He can't set me on fire forever, Juubi. I'll be dead soon

[bebopbountyhead]

If god were evil his actions would be percieved as being good. That easy. Well, that is if there is a god.

[YellowFlash23]

No, because he's evil. What makes people follow God is his goodness and compassion. If he was evil....then only other evil and crazy people would follow him.

[Naruto Jester]

I'd be glad to rebell if he WERE evil. It'd be kinda cool, like an intense RPG without a memory card or more then one life...
I'd really enjoy fighting off an evil god... although, I'm glad he's not, or i'd be toast by now...

[Link]

Really? I bet that if someone lit you on fire right now, then put it out, and told you that if you didn't do what they said then they'd fry you forever, you would act like a good little boy and follow their every command.
I'd probably beat the shit out of them. And then light their face on fire.

The rest of the points presented are so laughable Im going to stop bothering with responces.
Well, okay then. People disagree with you, and think differently from you. If you have nothing more to contribute to the thread, don't post.
I'd be glad to rebell if he WERE evil. It'd be kinda cool, like an intense RPG without a memory card or more then one life...
I'd really enjoy fighting off an evil god... although, I'm glad he's not, or i'd be toast by now...
Yeah, but that plot idea has been sooo overused. So many games where the final villain is a hero, or the hero is an antihero.
As for whether god is evil or not, that's yet to be seen. As far as I can tell, he just doesn't give a damn, if God existed I don't know what he's doing with all his free time. Probably spying on women in the shower. That pervert.

[raibbhani]

How can us, human who is just a mere mortals, rebel against such powerful ultra almighty being?

I will just willingly follow and hope that He will be nice to me, the loyal follower. I will do everything He order me to.

[Pilaf]

How can us, human who is just a mere mortals, rebel against such powerful ultra almighty being?


Two steps.

1 - Look him in the face.

2 - Raise middle finger.

[Fiasco]

I wouldnt willingly follow him but instead do as Pilaf said,tell him to go f*ck himself and then watch as he obliterates me out of existence.

[Toby]

You know, this is the scenario I invented for a TOK discussion which inspired much good reasoning for why God would in fact grant us free will. The fun of watching ants fix an ant-hill which you occasionally poke with a stick is the apt comparison here, come to think of it, and would make very good sense if only the Bible or Quran stated somewhere that God has a sense of humour.

My take on God is that he does not have anything that resembles humour. Only a strange satisfaction in destroying people's lives in a pro-longed manner which is unnecessary and illogical for an omnipotent being who could just as easily make an enemy disappear out of sheer will.

[JaneAngel15]

Ohhhh, that was deep.

[Fiasco]

Deep indeed

[*uzumaki-naruto*]

But isn't good and evil a matter of opinion? So for what he was doing he wouldn't class as evil but just his own right

[Fiasco]

Good and evil are common "opinions" found in almost all humans.
So when you say in his own right,there will be those who still view it as good or evil

[Marl]

This thread is great. A lot of people here have said they'd follow an evil god out of fear of what he'd do to them if they didn't.

Yet, that is EXACTLY what many people are doing right now. Following a god because they don't want to go to hell. Doing "good" because otherwise they go to hell. Seeing as god tells you what is good, how do you even know what you're doing is actually good? Maybe god really *IS* evil, and you're just too afraid of burning in hell to notice?

Think about it.

[Fiasco]

This thread is great. A lot of people here have said they'd follow an evil god out of fear of what he'd do to them if they didn't.

Yet, that is EXACTLY what many people are doing right now. Following a god because they don't want to go to hell. Doing "good" because otherwise they go to hell. Seeing as god tells you what is good, how do you even know what you're doing is actually good? Maybe god really *IS* evil, and you're just too afraid of burning in hell to notice?

Think about it.

Following an evil god?.
:yell YOU "EVIL GOD" FOLLOWERS!!! :yell

[raibbhani]

Two steps.

1 - Look him in the face.

2 - Raise middle finger.

Lol. You are indeed a very brave mortal.

[Adonis]

I'd reanimate the original Harlem Globetrotters and challenge our evil overlord to a game of B-ball to free my people.

[Freiza]

the thing is, even death wont be an escape. i would follow.i agree

anyways like i said before since i've been following Go all my life, i wouldn't know he was evil since i view him as a creator of good...but Martail Horror brought up a good point.

[Katsura]

Im pretty sure there were plenty of people who died on those things. I know alot of you guys cant understand being able to suffer just because what you believe in, but there is plenty of people who would.

Yes, people died on the rack. But they didn't have any choice. Well known victims of the rack in England includes Guy Fawkes; he was tortured - not for having information to spill - but because he tried to blow up the parliament. If he had gotten a choice whether to do an evil deed or continue being tied to the infamous rack for all eternity, you'd be damn sure he wouldn't have chosen the latter. And nor would you.

For we are not talking death. One can be able to resist torture for a particular amount of time - until the human body is destroyed and the person dies - but for all eternity? The worst possible pain you can comprehend - forever? No fucking way you'd hold on to your 'resistant' thoughts after a couple of years in consistent pain.

[Marl]

So we've concluded that God is evil, then? I like this thread. :nod

[Link]

Yes, people died on the rack. But they didn't have any choice.
Then there is no comparison. Many people have willingly died for their beliefs. Many more have been tortured, berated, and attacked for their beliefs. There are people that would never give in.
If he had gotten a choice whether to do an evil deed or continue being tied to the infamous rack for all eternity, you'd be damn sure he wouldn't have chosen the latter.
He knew what he was risking before he committed the act. Part of having free will is being able to take responsibility for your actions. I might regret it later, but I'd do what I have to do, even if that meant misfortune for me later.

For we are not talking death. One can be able to resist torture for a particular amount of time - until the human body is destroyed and the person dies - but for all eternity?
Physical torture can only hurt you so long. Over time, you either break, or you learn to cope. As for mental torture, you'd be surprised what the human mind can endure. The worst possible pain you can comprehend - forever? No fucking way you'd hold on to your 'resistant' thoughts after a couple of years in consistent pain.
The worst pain I can imagine would only reinforce my rage.
This is an introspective talk, jackasses need to stop trying to say what other people will choose for them. You can't say what others would do or think. It's just stupid to think you know someone over the internet better than he knows himself.

[Katsura]

You can't say what others would do or think. It's just stupid to think you know someone over the internet better than he knows himself.

And you can't say yourself what you'd do either, before being put in the very situation. There's tons of people who have thought just like you, that they'd endure the pain, but failed.

As for what you're saying here;
Physical torture can only hurt you so long. Over time, you either break, or you learn to cope.

I know that. But the topic is God. A god would decide whatever your body would endure, and put you through whatever he'd like, for however long he wanted. Personally, I believe that every human being has a limit - some can endure for long, some can't - but they'll reach that limit eventually.

[Link]

And you can't say yourself what you'd do either, before being put in the very situation. There's tons of people who have thought just like you, that they'd endure the pain, but failed.
I don't doubt myself. That's just part of my character.


I know that. But the topic is God.
I am so tired of people trying to tell me what the topic is in a thread I made. The topic is not god, the topic is your choice. What your decision would be. Not his response, not his punishment. Not whether or not others' views of their own moral fiber are false. The topic is:
Do you stand by your own morals, or the morals of a god that is not benevolent?
A god would decide whatever your body would endure, and put you through whatever he'd like, for however long he wanted.
When you are dead, you don't have a body anymore. And if the idea of an eternal soul is not a misnomer- the human spirit really can prevail over anything.
Personally, I believe that every human being has a limit - some can endure for long, some can't - but they'll reach that limit eventually.
I don't believe people have built in limits. They might choose to give up, or to quit, but on a fundamental level it's still something they choose for themselves.

[Tokoyami]

Really? I bet that if someone lit you on fire right now, then put it out, and told you that if you didn't do what they said then they'd fry you forever, you would act like a good little boy and follow their every command.I don't take things like that kindly. Honestly if somone did that I'd probably deck them for setting me on fire after all it's hot and not very fun.....then take there matches or whatever and do it to them because I just happen to be a total asshole like that. I don't listen to those I don't respect and I don't listen to those who try to force me into or to do something.

I tell them to go suck a donkey nut. Why? Because if they think they can force others to do there bidding then they deserve to suck one

[drache]

Katsura,

1 You have no clue rather or not people could, I've had to endure alot of pain; probably more pain then you'll ever have to endure in your entire life. I've had to reset my knee from a complete dislocation before, not to mention acidentally putting wieght on my leg 2 weeks after major surgery (oh that was alot of fun).

2 You have no proof that said being could torture anyone for forever, in point of fact the Christian idea of hell isn't about hurting people. According to them you suffer because you're away from god. Not only that but a choice was implied which in turn implies that god can't force us to choose.

As I said before (and apparently it went unnoticed) people have set themselves on fire in protest before. If they can exhibit such extreme fortitude then anyone can if they really want to.

[Black Fire Rockstar]

No because that would mean that God is the Devil...thus the Devil is god making him/her/it good....thus I would not willingly follow either unless God gave me control of the Underworld and all of Earth and Jupiter....

[Adonis]

No because that would mean that God is the Devil...thus the Devil is god making him/her/it good....thus I would not willingly follow either unless God gave me control of the Underworld and all of Earth and Jupiter....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, that post was just about as painful as shoving my dick in a blender and pressing 'frappe.'

You were saying?

[Freiza]

So we've concluded that God is evil, then? I like this thread. :nod

where did this happen?

[Tokoyami]

It happened when the OP was written.

[SPN]

The word "still" should be taken out of the title, you are assuming we all follow "god."

This is a question that is hard to answer... think to yourself, how many "gods" do you think exsist. I know the common answer would be one, but would you really say the "god" you worship and the "god" in other parts of the world people worship are the same "God"? If you ansered no then you just dissagreed with yourself. If you answer yes then you already proved "god" is evil, in the sense that toys with people's minds and it results in many wars. Well that's how I see things.

To avoid these things I follow my own path, not one that someone tells me to walk.

[Tokyo Jihen]

Say, 4 majillions of people worshiped one God throughout the time in this world alone. And say that, there are thousands of monotheistic religions and at least 5 sub sects of each own. Now, if there exists only ONE God, then these people couldn't have been worshiping the wrong God, although if each one of these people have attributed one thing to God, you can't just say that's entirely wrong because only God could have respond to that, not you or me. Whether the people were being delusional or not, hey, God said "worship one me", and they did. whether it's the right God or wrong, clearly they followed the order.

But then again, if the one thing that started the whole universe not long ago, whom these people believed as the ultimate good [or not], and ultimately apparently an evil being, then what choice can you have?

You complain like hell when you ran out of toilet paper. Can you imagine if you have to go and YOU HAVE TO wipe your ass with fiery brimstones for 3 days? Now multiply the horror countless of time and for as long as it takes. And the thing is, this happen after you're resurrected by this evil God, and death after resurrection is not an option. You just can't die anymore. Well, if you can, then God can just breath life into you again. What a pain huh? Talk tough now. Hahaha...brimstone to wipe.:laugh


Shit! I'll obey this lord God. Make me the minion, a grunt, a peon...whatever. if non-existent is not an option, then i'll be smart by not getting hurt.

[Kabuto]

I'll defy him. I'll follow the Demon. If God was Evil, then the Demon is Good.

[drache]

7th,

Again though that's not willingly following and you're assuming an evil god could do that. And you have no such proof of that.

[Tokyo Jihen]

Hmm..

One, actually when we can choose between to obey and disobey, there are options, even though one of it leads to undesirable outcome. So, if i choose to obey, then it exactly means it's a willing submission.

Two, a god is a god. A god is supposed to be the highest being. So if that particular being is evil, then there's not a thing we can do against him/her/it, is there?

Three, whether or not [let's assume this evil god is a male] he can deliver his threats is one thing that we can only find out after experiencing those he threaten to do. But a person who's evil with or without motive points a gun in your face and threatens to kill you, he might just do it. if this god couldn't do what i expected, and say, you disobeyed, he kills you and you never come back, then i'll join you. But there's no proof he couldn't do it either. The worst case scenario here is, he could.

tough luck i was created by an evil god. if i can just be uncreated, then i wish i am. but he did [yet another assumption] threaten to not do so, better not be the sorest. if there is another being that can point how this evil god can be taken down, then lies a real point in arguing.

[Nero]

well maybe, the condtion are: he only kills and hurts the non-followers the followers would survive.... he would create a war between the non-religious and us....no mercy would be shown and a communistic god is created! .....btw im non religious myself...

[notcomawhite]

lol if i knew for sure that an evil god exsisted i prob wouldn't even be here, he'd have killed me already.

but yeh, no i wouldn't worship him :]

[Fuujin]

If God was evil we too would be evil. God may be evil right now in fact, we just wouldn't know it because we've been brought to believe his way is the right way of doing things regardless of what the truths of the matter are.

Take for example a racist boy raised on a farm by racist people. He wouldn't think the word nigger was offensive, he would use it just like any other word, because that's what he's been brought up to believe. The same applies to all "good" things in the world. By definition helping someone cross the road is "good" but it may not neccessarily be the "right" thing to do.

We can't assume Good is Right and Evil is Wrong, because in truth they may be the other way around completely. So even if god was evil the vast majority of people who believed in him and thought his way was the right way of doing things would follow him. The atheists wouldn't no matter if god was good or evil. So I wouldn't follow him regardless.

[Nero]

lol if i knew for sure that an evil god exsisted i prob wouldn't even be here, he'd have killed me already.

but yeh, no i wouldn't worship him :]

naah you should feel honoured if he uses his reign out on you personally one individual out of 6 billion people then you should feel very special...

[Freiza]

It happened when the OP was written.
really, and i guess you just pushed it along
I'll defy him. I'll follow the Demon. If God was Evil, then the Demon is Good.
but if you were following him would you know the difference?

[Harlita]

If he was evil, you wouldn't be calling him "God."

[Havoc]

Can you guys stop discussing me behind my back.

I know I'm omnipotent, but words can still hurt.

[Freiza]

If he was evil, you wouldn't be calling him "God."
False. if we always knew him as God we would......and funny Havoc

[ninjagreyfox]

Define evil.

The truth is, IMO, that there is no good and evil, just opposing views.

point of view ......i love it:nod

[marcspectre]

The idea of God is one that implies that God is the one that provides the morals. God is the one that determines what is good and what is evil.

Good is what perpetuates the existence of a being while evil is what negatively effects that persistence. This is taken from Spinoza's Ethics.

If by following an evil god your existence persists positively in an after life then what you are doing would be considered good.

So there would be no compromise of life or souls in following an evil or lunatic god. Because following this god would be good as long as because you follow this god your existence positively perpetuates itself in the afterlife and eternally.

[Yakushi Kabuto]

While I do believe that something like a God may exist, I do not think that he would alter anything in this world, and hasn't done anything to interfere with it. I suppose I see him as a sort of scientist who just set things in motion and will just let people do as they please. And so, even if he were evil, I don't see him doing anything to affect anything within our lives because if he were god or neutral he has not done anything.

[Twilit]

Who's to say whether or not God is indeed evil?

According to my beliefs (and the beliefs of many) God created all that is. So why is there so much strife in the world? Why is there starvation, and war, and hate? God could fix that in the blink of an eye...but doesn't. Could it be to make a balance of the earth? To make it so that those who go to Heaven can truly appreciate it? If all on earth were perfect, Heaven would be not so special...correct?

We who follow God follow God because he is apparently everything, made everything, is everything. Whether God is evil or not is really a matter of opinion, an opinion that may change with a Miracle or two...


Oh, right, the question...I would not follow this evil "God" because I do not think God would be evil. It would be Satan trying to get me to follow him...that's just weird ol' me.

[OrcShinsen]

The answer is--wait, holy CRAP that would be bad
Those who would follow to be spared their lives would spend the rest of their existince in self-hate and regret for waiting on what they hate hand and foot. Those who would fight would know the entire time they waited that they would die, since God is all powerful. Then they'd die, most likely a painful and horrible death (evil, remember?). If God was evil and I had to choose, I would probably have a nervous breakdown. Just the thought of it's a bit creepy to me. There is no escape in that situation. Death? What relief is death? God CREATED death. God OWNS death. Kill yourself and you'll hate yourself while doing it, and then God will most likely kill you a thousand times more for trying to escape. Revolt? Torture (no death). Servitude? Self-hate. I don't know what I'd do. In that situation, there's no good ending, even remotely NEUTRAL ending. I'd probably end up following him because I'd know what not else to do. At least there's less pain. What moral code would I have to live by? Every way you turn is pain. You don't have to consider how you intend to live or die, because there's nothing to live for. Would I feel loyalty? No. The question asked was really intended to ask if I was bound to God by force of habit. No. I'm bound to God by force of choice. But just THINKING about the situation makes me sick to the stomach.
And it makes me all the happier that that's not the way it is. Thank God.

[Poison]

I don't follow god.

[Freiza]

I don't think you people are understanding. If you have always been following God, how could you know he was evil?

[Riley]

I'd eat some spinnach like Popye and beat his little godly ass to the ground.

:evil

[Nanatsurugi]

If god were evil, or a lunatic, would you still follow him? Knowing what might be in store for you by opposing such a god, would you still worship and respect the god, even if he committed horrible acts against mortals? Are you willing to compromise your life and perhaps even soul for ideals of good?
"But God isn't evil!" is not an appropriate answer to this thread. Spare a little thought to answer properly.

Uhm, so you are saying God is good?
Oh yes, what a nice person - "Kill your son for me!" Awesome. Does a boss of the company test his workers like that? "I'll raise your payment if you kill your daughter."
Nah, even better - would a nice and caring God show, that he liked meat sacrifices more than vegetable sacrifices? That's not very polite, is it?

God isn't an ideal of good and loving father. He looks more like a demanding and indifferent husband.
People still follow the God, who can efford himself have emotions of anger and annoyance.