Old Sandaime + Yondaime vs Deidara

[Kai]

Now, in the same situation Sasuke has been in the past EDIT: three chapters, can these two hokages defeat Deidara?

The only factor the two hokages are aware of is that the land mines are scattered throughout the land.

Enma is the only animal summon allowed.

Battle to the death.

[The Truth]

Enma's diamond cage could shield them from some bombs. But if we hold these legends to the regular BD standards, then they can't possibly win. Going off of rep, I could see this a possible win or draw.

[Sub-Zero]

Each of those shinobi could pwn the crap out of Deidara. Seriously, the Yellow Flash and the Professor, God of Shinobi? That is supreme overkill.. even seperately. Are you serious?:huh

[adenator]

yondaime would be soo fast that hed be able to lgide over the bombs. set them all off so then they dont need to worry about land mines then sandaime will just use katon ninjutsus to distract deidara and yondaiem would appear behind him and rasengan him. PWNED

[Keyser Söze]

yondaime and sandaime kill deidara hardcore with little problems.

[Asuma: Konoha's Blade]

Sarutobi distracts Dei with his longest range ninjutsu, which I believe is strong enough to cancel out some C2 bombs. Then Enma uses his monstrous strength to launch Yondaime high into the air, and he lands close enough to tag the bird, because even while distracted by Saru's ninjutsu, Deidara has shown great reflexes, which are enough for Yondaime to barely get him. Then Yondy finishes him.

[The Truth]

Sarutobi distracts Dei with his longest range ninjutsu, which I believe is strong enough to cancel out some C2 bombs. Then Enma uses his monstrous strength to launch Yondaime high into the air, and he lands close enough to tag the bird, because even while distracted by Saru's ninjutsu, Deidara has shown great reflexes, which are enough for Yondaime to barely get him. Then Yondy finishes him.
Where was Enma's "monstrous strength" when he couldn't break out of the snake bind? Sadly, with the info we have Yondaime/Sarutobi don't stand a chance.

[Grimmjowsensei]

instant k.o by yondaime. sandime just sits back and watches deidara go down.

[SAMSARA]

That's kind of crappy taking away Yondaime's summons, but tell me if this is possible: Sandaime Hokage takes a marked shuriken from his successor, throws it at Deidara, and then makes replications while they're airbourne.

[eDyH]

Yondaime and Sandaime would lose if in Sasuke's position. C4 would rape both of them horribly.

In an even fight from the start, however, the Hokage's would have a much better chance.... but, based on their showings, they would still get raped horribly by C4.

I have to say, the Yondaime love on these forums is by far my least favorite sect of fanboyism.

[The Truth]

To be fair, Yondaime might be the only person capable of killing Deidara before he gets on his bird. It would depend on how far apart they start the battle, because Yondy might be able to throw a Hirashin Kunai near him.

[Genis-Vell]

Old Sandaime + Yondaime takes it.

Sasuke clearly pointed the flaw in Deidara C4 Garuda and strategy.
I doubt the Kages would not pick up on this as well.

[eDyH]

Old Sandaime + Yondaime takes it.

Sasuke clearly pointed the flaw in Deidara C4 Garuda and strategy.
I doubt the Kages would not pick up on this as well.

But wasn't the flaw with C4 that Sasuke found the fact that he could see it with his Sharingan? Last I checked, neither Sandaime nor Yondaime has any kind of Doujutsu, so I can't imagine them detecting the microscopic bombs flying towards them at high speeds....

Keep in mind, however, that I said that C4 would rape both of them.... w/o it and before it, Deidara is screwed.

[SAMSARA]

Edyh, you have to remember that the OP said they would be in the same situations as the ones faced by Sasuke. That means, Deidara would be playing around before he used his C4 chakra. So, you also have to ask yourself if the two Hokage wouldn't kill him before he even got to use Garuda.

[Genis-Vell]

But wasn't the flaw with C4 that Sasuke found the fact that he could see it with his Sharingan? Last I checked, neither Sandaime nor Yondaime has any kind of Doujutsu, so I can't imagine them detecting the microscopic bombs flying towards them at high speeds....

Keep in mind, however, that I said that C4 would rape both of them.... w/o it and before it, Deidara is screwed.

You have to keep in mind that, Sasuke visually seeing the smoke of charaka is what sealed the deal to his assumptions. Allowing him to deal with Deidara or escape Garuda.

[eDyH]

Edyh, you have to remember that the OP said they would be in the same situations as the ones faced by Sasuke. That means, Deidara would be playing around before he used his C4 chakra. So, you also have to ask yourself if the two Hokage wouldn't kill him before he even got to use Garuda.

I assumed that by "last few chapters" he meant the chapters that had occured since the C2 Dragon.... as if the Deidara's very next move was to use Garuda on them.

You have to keep in mind that, Sasuke visually seeing the smoke of charaka is what sealed the deal to his assumptions. Allowing him to deal with Deidara or escape Garuda.

Assumptions or no..... Sasuke was able to avoid Garuda because he saw a massive cloud of Chakra coming at him. If Sandaime or Yondaime were placed in that situation, they would: A. Not be able to move as they are surrounded by landmines and neither of them can fly. and B. See a giant Deidara balloon pop and go "wtf???". Shortly after their bodies would disintegrate.

[Genis-Vell]

Hiraishin gives Yondaime the option to escape.
Sasuke was already seen escapeing explosions through inferior means.

Garuda is a bit different, It explodes and spreads the bombs. This gives Youndaime ample time to escape.

[successortt]

Well this is a huge disadvantage for the Hokages. I doubt anyone could win in sasuke's situation right now except for another uchiha or Hyuuga. To be fair though if Sandaime and Yondaime actually where in a fight with Deidara from the start, it wouldnt even get to this point. Sandaime or Yondaime alone would be able to handle Deidara.

[YellowFlash23]

This is like overkill big time. Yondaime could kill Deidara on his own, but with Sandaime helping, it just makes it much easier. They would easily find the flaw and exploit. Not to mention, Yondaime can just use his Hiraishin to teleport away, attaching a seal to Deidara really quickly. Then, he could teleport back, behind Deidara, and slit his throat. Battle over.

[jameshawking]

That's kind of crappy taking away Yondaime's summons, but tell me if this is possible: Sandaime Hokage takes a marked shuriken from his successor, throws it at Deidara, and then makes replications while they're airbourne.

This post simply owned the thread .____.

If the shuriken themselves didn't kill Deidara, then Yondaime zapping away in mid-air instantaneously will most certainly do it.


I'm actually quite amused that the people in this thread think that Sandaime and Yondaime can't do someone Sasuke alone did .___.

[Loki_Seijuro]

Are you serious?

Both of these guys would curbstomp Deidara individually, there's no need to put them together.

What's with the massive Deidara fappage all the sudden? I mean, he rose up in my books in the recent chapters, but there's no reason to overestimate the guy.

[Raiju]

the hokages would win

[Grimmjowsensei]

Are you serious?

Both of these guys would curbstomp Deidara individually, there's no need to put them together.

What's with the massive Deidara fappage all the sudden? I mean, he rose up in my books in the recent chapters, but there's no reason to overestimate the guy.

that we call "new villian fanboysm" and yeah, its an overkill.

[Zelkova]

Now that we all have seen Garuda & the situation is in the land mines state...

Okay, Yondaime & Sandaime, I will give both of ya a ticket to go back to the belly of Shikigami... :laugh

[Distracted]

I expected better arguments from the truth and Edyh...

Yondaime is the ultimate 1 hit K.O. shinobi. That is all we know about him, he can take almost anyone out before they can do anything.

Has anyone ever thrown Kunai at Deidara? Of course not... Deidara will easily dodge them and laugh.

However... what if they threw a ton of Kunai at deidara in varying directions?

Deidara would dodge them... and laugh.

What if all of these Kunai had special marks on them and Yondaime used Hiraishin?

Deidara would dodge them, start to laugh... and be hampered by the new found kunai in his throat.

Sarutobi would at this point (If Garuda was out) Casually make a large earthen dome around himself and wait for them to disperse (Yeah, Deidara can't make them explode... but breathing in clay can't be healthy at his age)

and Yondaime would just casually wait on Deidara's bird in the air until he felt safe, fly down and grab Sarutobi and they would walk home sharing stories about the 'good ol' days'

Also remember, Sarutobi is one of the best doton users we've seen. You're telling me he can make those land mines explode or toss them out of the ground?

Bah I call shenanigans!

[The Truth]

Yondaime is the ultimate 1 hit K.O. shinobi. That is all we know about him, he can take almost anyone out before they can do anything.
He's the ultimate one hit kill shinobi, against inferior competition. He's the ultimate one hit kill shinobi, with the help of several Konoha ninjas.

What if all of these Kunai had special marks on them and Yondaime used Hiraishin?
If Yondy wants to throw more then a few, he'll need help. This is of course assuming he's in range to do something about Deidara's flying ability.
Also remember, Sarutobi is one of the best doton users we've seen. You're telling me he can make those land mines explode or toss them out of the ground?

One of the best? He's used one doton...

This is a classic case of Yondaime/Sandaime getting by on reputation alone.

[Distracted]

Name one person who has used a Doton of a higher level. I rest my case on that.

You're saying Yondaime couldn't through 5 or 6 Kunai in Deidara's general direction?

OR that Sandaime couldn't help him?

Remember those 3 that helped him let him take out FIFTY people. He's only going after one here.

[The Truth]

Name one person who has used a Doton of a higher level.
Kakuzu.
I rest my case on that.
So because Sarutobi used one b ranked jutsu, he's one of the best we've seen? Jiroubu has used three, two of which are b rank. His use would surpass Sandaime's. Using one doton, which the anime completely exaggerated, doesn't make you king.

You're saying Yondaime couldn't through 5 or 6 Kunai in Deidara's general direction?

OR that Sandaime couldn't help him?
No i'm saying that while Yondaime is handing out kunai like party favors, Deidara won't be standing around.

Remember those 3 that helped him let him take out FIFTY people. He's only going after one here.
Sasuke>1000 nameless ninja

Deidara>1/2 of the sand village

Sasori> A country

Chiyo> A fortress

Itachi> Uchiha clan

Hidan/Kakuzu> Fire Temple

Yondaime + Help> Nameless Rock ninja

Sorry but Deidara is a bit stronger then the competition Yondaime has faced.

[Distracted]

I'm not going on reputation. and it's not a matter of Deidara staying in place... also technically it wasn't Kakuzu that used that doton technique... but whomever he stole it from.

Also remember he only needs to get the Kunai NEAR Deidara.

Either Deidara is going to have to be extremely far away (he usually stays just out of peoples range)

Still Sandaime has shown far more than what is necessary to make a Doton barrier around himself for protection.

Weren't you the one that was talking about how people will overrate C4 Garuda and you're now claiming that 2 of the most powerful shinobi in the story wouldn't be able to defeat it?

[Juubi]

This is a joke thread, right?

[Juubi]

Sorry but Deidara is a bit stronger then the competition Yondaime has faced.

You seriously aren't gonna sit up here and say some stupid shit like that, are you???
Remember Kyuubi???

[The Truth]

I'm not going on reputation. and it's not a matter of Deidara staying in place... also technically it wasn't Kakuzu that used that doton technique... but whomever he stole it from.
Sure.

Also remember he only needs to get the Kunai NEAR Deidara.
It has to be in close proximity or the effect of the teleportation is mitigated.
Still Sandaime has shown far more than what is necessary to make a Doton barrier around himself for protection.
Sure, if he can form a barrier from all sides that isn't vulnerable to explosives.
Weren't you the one that was talking about how people will overrate C4 Garuda and you're now claiming that 2 of the most powerful shinobi in the story wouldn't be able to defeat it?
Thats funny, I made no mention of Garuda, you did. And I don't award victories based on reputation, especially not for two of the most overrated characters in the manga.

You seriously aren't gonna sit up here and say some stupid shit like that, are you???
Remember Kyuubi???
Sure I remember Kyuubi, Yondaime(with the help of an entire village) dying to seal it proves your point how?

[Spell]

Sasuke>1000 nameless ninja

Deidara>1/2 of the sand village

Sasori> A country

Chiyo> A fortress

Itachi> Uchiha clan

Hidan/Kakuzu> Fire Temple

Yondaime + Help> Nameless Rock ninja

Sorry but Deidara is a bit stronger then the competition Yondaime has faced.Sorry, but your comparison is invalid.
I assume you're comparing nameless Rock ninja with 1/2 of sand village (1/2 -???), and in your opinion 1/2 sand village > nameless rock nin. It's taken from nowhere. Do you have any prove these rock nins were weaker? No, you have not. What if they were elite of their village, which would be a quite reasonable assumption, considering the fact many of Konoha's jounins couldn't beat them.

[The Truth]

Sorry, but your comparison is invalid.
I assume you're comparing nameless Rock ninja with 1/2 of sand village (1/2 -???), and in your opinion 1/2 sand village > nameless rock nin. It's taken from nowhere. Do you have any prove these rock nins were weaker? No, you have not. What if they were elite of their village, which would be a quite reasonable assumption, considering the fact many of Konoha's jounins couldn't beat them.
Deidara's bomb would've leveled half of the sand village, while their ninja could do nothing about it. Nameless ninjas are worth less than nothing. So what you consider to be a "quite reasonable assumption" as you've proven time and time again, is hardly reasonable at all. The same goes for your opinion on what is a valid comparison.

[Distracted]

Either way I came up with a perfectly viable solution to the distance problem. Deidara has never shown that he is a capable taijutsu fighter.

If Yondaime can get within close range of Deidara it's over and you have to admit that.

and without Deidara's chakra controlling the clay it's just going to blow in the wind and fall down. It will no longer have the metaphorical match to it's fuse.

[Creator]

Deidara is strong, but lets not overestimate him. The 3rd and 4th would rip him apart with ease.

[Esponer]

Whether or not the Third and Fourth could survive Deidara's three most impressive applications of the kibaku nendo (jibaku bunshin, #18 and Garuda) would be an interesting question, and they would certainly be in immediate threat of their lives.

However, if Deidara began this on land before summoning his clay bird, I really can't say that his chances seem all that good. The Fourth's hiraishin strikes me as fundamentally more impressive than Sasuke's shunshin at this point, and while all we know of the Fourth is his reputation and that he is Naruto's ultimate benchmark, this seems enough to suggest that he's stronger than Sasuke at this point. Deidara seemed lucky to survive Sasuke's first two attacks.

As we know, the longer Deidara's in this battle the better his chances become — once he's airborne he's very difficult to assault, and his most powerful attacks are devastating. The first few seconds seem like they'd be extremely difficult for him, however, and the nature of hiraishin suggests the Fourth can get into the sky.

I know I've hardly mentioned the Third at all here, but I'm not ignoring him. Deidara just about the Fourth might be decent, but it'd still be down to whether or not Deidara can survive until he gets airborne. Throwing in the Third it seems that Deidara's going to be basically overwhelmed.

I'm going to skip discussing whether or not the Hokage could survive Deidara's strongest attacks to save time and just say I think Deidara's in trouble here.

[Morpheus]

Yondaime and Sandaime win this, as much as i like Deidara. Even with C'4 yondaime would be too good for him, and too fast if he uses hiraishin.

[Athena Citra]

Deidara would crap around first and get killed. Even if he didn't, what if he uses C4? I'm sure the Fourth and Third wouldn't just stand around looking dumb when the giant, Deizilla showed up. What's to stop the Fourth from just grabbing his buddy and flashing out of the forest? What's to stop the Third from pitching a storm of formulated shuriken at Deidara, flashing onto his wyvern, and waiting the Jutsu out with his enemy? I love Deidara, but he is being over-hyped. You guys need to wait until the fight ends before we start nominating him as a legend-killer.

[The Truth]

If Yondaime can get within close range of Deidara it's over and you have to admit that.
Yes, if he can get within range:
To be fair, Yondaime might be the only person capable of killing Deidara before he gets on his bird. It would depend on how far apart they start the battle, because Yondy might be able to throw a Hirashin Kunai near him.

[Distracted]

What makes you feel he couldn't get close to Deidara? A series of accurately thrown Kunai are more than capable of that.

Hell even if he just had Sandaime throw those kunai, they'd only be exposed for a moment and Sandaime is more than capable of running and throwing Kunai at the same time (Basic Ninja skill much?)

unless Deidara goes straight to #18, in which it would take massive amounts of doton barriers to do such we don't know.

And I haven't factored this into this at all, but the 4th did have an elemental jutsu he used. He created the rasengan with the intent of infusing his elemental chakra into it... We have no idea how good he was with it (good enough to want to infuse it into rasengan) and we have no idea what he could cast with it. But that is a factor that we are left without any knowledge of.

also once again.. this is the 4th WITHOUT Gamma Bunta. Which if he had that would all but negate Deidara's advantage of flying.

[The Truth]

What makes you feel he couldn't get close to Deidara? A series of accurately thrown Kunai are more than capable of that.
Because in the time it takes for Yondy to reach into his holster(or wherever he keeps his special kunai) and throw it, Deidara can form a bird and be ready to take off. If you think i'm exaggerating, look no further then the times he's been shot out if the air and recovered immediately while free falling. And even then, we still haven't factored in how far part they start.

Hell even if he just had Sandaime throw those kunai, they'd only be exposed for a moment and Sandaime is more than capable of running and throwing Kunai at the same time (Basic Ninja skill much?) Then he'd have to pass the kunai to him, that takes time as well. Time is a precious commodity if you want to reach Deidara before he flies.

Based on what he's shown, I have my doubts about his ability to beat Deidara. Feel free to think otherwise.

[P3RFECT]

All the 4rd has to do is teleport and slice his head off. Dei barely got away with sasuke fast movement. Imagine the 4rd.

It is so over.

[Distracted]

Yeah Deidara would be in the air. Hell my entire theory involves Deidara being in the air.

Though honestly they can draw a kunai and throw it before Deidara gets off. He'd have the bird made already, but he wouldn't be in the air yet.

Also it's a CLAY bird... what makes you think he couldn't land a kunai in it?

Or how about my idea that you ignored of throwing a ton of Kunai at deidara and getting them near him?

Remember Hiraishin teleports the 4th. He would be in the air warping between them getting close to deidara.

I'm not anti-deidara, nor am I going on reputation. I'm going on what the 4th is capable of. He is capable of going over great distance quickly using Kunai. He doesn't have to hit Deidara with it... as long as he gets CLOSE to deidara he wins.

[Spell]

Deidara's bomb would've leveled half of the sand village, while their ninja could do nothing about it.Half of the village? Where is this information taken from? Now this "half village destructor" can't even beat Sasuke with Tobi's help. Couldn't beat Naruto and Kakashi, almost died against Gaara.

Nameless ninjas are worth less than nothing.Ah, so Akatsuki Leader and Akatsuki girl are worth less than nothing. In your opinion ninjas who killed over 100 Konoha's jounins are worth less than nothing?

So what you consider to be a "quite reasonable assumption" as you've proven time and time again, is hardly reasonable at all. The same goes for your opinion on what is a valid comparison.That's your opinion. It has nothing to do with a manga and as you can see, my points turn out to be valid over and over again.

[P3RFECT]

Ah, so Akatsuki Leader and Akatsuki girl are worth less than nothing. In your opinion ninjas who killed over 100 Konoha's jounins are worth less than nothing?



Who killed 100 Konoha Jounin? what Akatsuki girl?

[Longcat is Long]

All the 3rd has to do is teleport and slice his head off. Dei barely got away with sasuke fast movement. Imagine the 3rd.

It is so over.

It's actually the 4th that teleports, but whatever.

If it were a fight from the beginning(Deidara is on the ground) then 3rd and 4th would've had a pretty good chance.

If it's in the air from the beginning, it's in Deidara's favor, although I kind of wonder about a few things.

-Would Jutsu Sho(Technique Neutralize) work on Deidara?

-Would Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu work on the Fourth's kunai?

-What techniques does the Fourth have besides teleportation, rasengan, and sealing jutsus?

-What techniques does the Third have besides what was shown against Orochimaru?


Going on what I know so far, Deidara would win since in 359 and 360 he's just going to use c4 right away.

[The Truth]

Half of the village? Where is this information taken from?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/241-250/249/naruto_ch249_p12-13.png

Now this "half village destructor" can't even beat Sasuke with Tobi's help. Couldn't beat Naruto and Kakashi, almost died against Gaara.
This has nothing to do with my post.
Ah, so Akatsuki Leader and Akatsuki girl are worth less than nothing.
There's a difference between not knowing a name and not having one. Useless cannon fodder don't have names.
In your opinion ninjas who killed over 100 Konoha's jounins are worth less than nothing?
Don't know what you're talking about.
That's your opinion. It has nothing to do with a manga...
Saying that your comment, about Yondaime beating elite rock nins, is an unfounded statement has nothing to do with the manga? Incredible.
and as you can see, my points turn out to be valid over and over again.
They have? I must have missed it...

[Kai]

To clear up future confusion(this is centered to you, Esponer) Deidara isn't beginning this fight on land like he did with Sasuke.

The land is surrounded by explosives, the only area unaffected is the spot Sandaime and Yondaime have their feet on. Deidara is in the sky.

[Wiggly]

yondaime would be soo fast that hed be able to glide over the bombs. set them all off so then they dont need to worry about land mines then sandaime will just use katon ninjutsus to distract deidara and yondaiem would appear behind him and rasengan him. PWNED

thats probly would happen

[eDyH]

To clear up future confusion(this is centered to you, Esponer) Deidara isn't beginning this fight on land like he did with Sasuke.

The land is surrounded by explosives, the only area unaffected is the spot Sandaime and Yondaime have their feet on. Deidara is in the sky.

So this isn't the same situation Sasuke was in -- as in, Deidara isn't seconds away from using C4?

Well, in that case, based on only their showings, the Hokage's would still lose.

Based on their showings along with some logical assumptions, they would win.

[Esponer]

Ah, right. All I think you said was "in the same situation Sasuke has been in", which indicated everything was the same.

[durtycheese]

old sandaime and yondaime would win for sure.

[Spell]

Who killed 100 Konoha Jounin?Shinobi from rock country during the war.

what Akatsuki girl?This unrevealed one. It's a girl.

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/241-250/249/naruto_ch249_p12-13.png
A pic of a bomb is a proof he would kill half of a village? Or it's just your estimation?

This has nothing to do with my post.Yes it has. Some shinobi have abilities to annihilate huge quantity of people, but it doesn't mean they are as good at one on one fight.

There's a difference between not knowing a name and not having one.Firstly you said "nameless". This could refer to all of them. Secondly, the fact their names weren't revealed doesn't mean they didn't have names.

Useless cannon fodder don't have names. Then why does pre-timeskip Sakura have a name? Why does pre-timeskip Konohamaru have a name? Why does Tazuna have a name? Why does Akamon Manabu have a name?

None of them was jounin, none of them was even chuunin. This means they were much weaker tham those Rock shinobi.

Don't know what you're talking about.Crap, that's annoying...

Rock ninja?

Saying that your comment, about Yondaime beating elite rock nins, is an unfounded statement has nothing to do with the manga? Incredible. This proves, you're ignoring my arguments. I asked you a question.
What if they were elite of their village, which would be a quite reasonable assumption, considering the fact many of Konoha's jounins couldn't beat them.

They have? I must have missed it...Looks like you've missed...

Does your opinion concerning Sasuke's genjutsu changed after reading latest chapter? Or maybe, now, you will state, you've always believe Sasuke is skilled at it?

[Zelkova]

Early Spoiler Warning! :cry (Juzt jutsus)

If I am not mistaken, the jutsu Fourth used was "Shunshin", right? If so, it ain't "teleport" but rather "Jump at high speed but horizontally".. which is much like "Shunpu" of BLEACH.. If it is a term "teleport", it will also mean that if there is juzt 5 m between a mountain & a path, but mountain has 100 m height.. However one can teleport up to 10 m.. Then it would basically mean, one can teleport onto the mountain... Okay, it's juzt IMO... :P

[Batosai]

If you want to get technical, there really is no limit as to how far the 4th can throw his kunai granted he has two of them...but that is only if the fourth is as resourceful and clever as he is made out to be. So getting to Deidra isn't really a problem. Air or no air.

[Esponer]

If I am not mistaken, the jutsu Fourth used was "Shunshin", right?
No. Hiraishin.

[Gunners]

Yondaime would cut Deidara's throat. I doubt it would get to Deidara using the C4 explosives as they would murder him before it gets to that.

If he does use the C4 explosive, Yondaime and Sandaime are both intelligent shinobis they would more than likely know something is up with the whole situation.

[Blood Dawn]

Really a shame how Hokages have people sucking on their supreme reputation tit. Deidara takes this.

[Distracted]

Dude... Deidara is having a hard time with just SASUKE.

Are you guys claiming that the 3rd hokage and the 4th hokage couldn't beat a lone Akatsuki?

I know Deidara is quite buff but reputation or not... this is 2 Kage level nin taking on 1 kage level nin.

I'm just amazed... It's not reputation... They have the ability to counter Deidara (Hirashin) they are intelligent ninja that won't just sit back and go 'oooh that's a good likeness of Deidara' when they see Garuda.

They are not stupid. Just... ugh... insanity.


http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume27.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33659


This isn't just 1 Kunai. These are many Kunai that all have the Hiraishin seal on them. Even if They don't hit if Yondaime gets close he has shown that his Shunshin is astounding. Obviously Deidara isn't a speed beast on foot and he can't really keep up with strong Shunshin users.

Yondaime is reputed to be have had a great Shunshin. Also he has the ability to place Hirashin seals ON people. So even if he didn't land a fatal blow on Deidara, he now has the mark on Deidei... and it's over from there.

C4-Garuda is badass and all, but I'm not the one overrating my side here.

[P3RFECT]

What Akatsuki girl?

[Kai]

Are you guys claiming that the 3rd hokage and the 4th hokage couldn't beat a lone Akatsuki?
With the setting I [re]clarified, it really is more difficult on them. You're using this argument based on their reputation, which pretty much runs this forum all around.

Without flight, Sasuke would have been fried hawk in an instant. The hokages barely have any mobility. From displayed, Sarutobi can make that doton: doryuu heki and Yondaime can Hiraishin to a nearby tree or something, but it's not going to be in hell easy to tag or bring him down. C4 is a hassle to analyze with lack of Sharingan as well.

[Spell]

What Akatsuki girl?
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g30/fivepinktree/akatsuki.jpg

It's the last one unrevealed (except the leader).

[P3RFECT]

Where is the girl. Is it suppose to be the eyes in the background?

[eDyH]

Are you actually retarded or just really good at pretending???

It's the common consensus that the BH Akatsuki member is a girl, seeing as there are no other females in the organization. If Risu wants to refer to BH as a girl, he can. Don't be a prick.

[P3RFECT]

Are you actually retarded or just really good at pretending???

It's the common consensus that the BH Akatsuki member is a girl, seeing as there are no other females in the organization. If Risu wants to refer to BH as a girl, he can. Don't be a prick.


Neither. I have never seen a girl or seen any likeness of a girl. Where does it hint this or where is there a picture of this girl. and who is BH.

I'm sorry I'm not a naruto fanboy.

[Distracted]

Where is that image of Akatsuki on a fold out with all of the coloring when you need it.

If you look at the picture that Risu posted there are 2 shadowed figures that you can't see.

The one in the middle is the Akatsuki leader commonly called AL for short. The one to his left (your right) is the only other member of Akatsuki to not be revealed. (akatsuki is an organization of high ranking criminals.)

The one on the right has been shown facing away from the audience with long flowing blue hair and a flower in he(r) ear. The Blue hair is why people call that member of Akatsuki BH (short for Blue Hair).

It is commonly assumed that BH is female. Kishi said in an interview that he would add a strong female character in after the time skip. It has become apparent that the strong female character is likely Karin, though it was heavily speculated at the time to be the BH member. Also the fact that the BH has a flower in her(his) generally has people believing it is a female character.

I'm not certain, but I believe people have looked at the outline and seen a more feminine figure and even the shape of breasts on the BH's chest. Though this is not conclusive in any shape way or form.

any other questions?

[P3RFECT]

Where is that image of Akatsuki on a fold out with all of the coloring when you need it.

If you look at the picture that Risu posted there are 2 shadowed figures that you can't see.

The one in the middle is the Akatsuki leader commonly called AL for short. The one to his left (your right) is the only other member of Akatsuki to not be revealed. (akatsuki is an organization of high ranking criminals.)

The one on the right has been shown facing away from the audience with long flowing blue hair and a flower in he(r) ear. The Blue hair is why people call that member of Akatsuki BH (short for Blue Hair).

It is commonly assumed that BH is female. Kishi said in an interview that he would add a strong female character in after the time skip. It has become apparent that the strong female character is likely Karin, though it was heavily speculated at the time to be the BH member. Also the fact that the BH has a flower in her(his) generally has people believing it is a female character.

I'm not certain, but I believe people have looked at the outline and seen a more feminine figure and even the shape of breasts on the BH's chest. Though this is not conclusive in any shape way or form.

any other questions?

Thank you, that cleared it up for me. It would be cool to see that one picture.

Has there been a time when that mysterious person has talked?

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c199/P3RFECT/Akatsukispread.jpg

[The Truth]

A pic of a bomb is a proof he would kill half of a village? Or it's just your estimation?
Yes, its proof. Evidenced by the fact that the people did nothing while Deidara detonated the bomb. And saying it would level half the village is being generous, Suna is in a canyon so the force of an explosion in an enclosed area would be devastating.
Yes it has. Some shinobi have abilities to annihilate huge quantity of people, but it doesn't mean they are as good at one on one fight.

Your point is moot, as usual. Deidara is stronger then the people he has the potential to kill. If Gaara doesn't shield the village from the bomb, then the village would have been decimated. Sasuke, Orochimaru, and Naruto have no bearing on Deidara's effect on the Sand Village,
Firstly you said "nameless". This could refer to all of them. Secondly, the fact their names weren't revealed doesn't mean they didn't have names.
The ninja that were killed weren't given names, therefore they're nameless. Using an example that you know full well I wasn't referring to doesn't change a thing. The AL and BH have not been named yet. The cannon fodder in there entire life cycle were never named. Get it?
Then why does pre-timeskip Sakura have a name? Why does pre-timeskip Konohamaru have a name? Why does Tazuna have a name? Why does Akamon Manabu have a name?

None of them was jounin, none of them was even chuunin. This means they were much weaker tham those Rock shinobi.

Risu, do you know what cannon fodder means? Being weak doesn't make you cannon fodder being irrelevent does. Even then, Akamon Manabu would have to have been engaged in a battle of some sort to be consider cannon fodder. Do you seriously not know the difference?
Crap, that's annoying...

Rock ninja?
I wasn't aware the Rock ninja killed 100 Konoha jouinin, could you point me to your reference? And cannon fodder killing cannon fodder doesn't make them worthy adversaries.
This proves, you're ignoring my arguments. I asked you a question.
You wanted me to answer a question based on an unreasonable assumption, i already addressed this.
Does your opinion concerning Sasuke's genjutsu changed after reading latest chapter? Or maybe, now, you will state, you've always believe Sasuke is skilled at it?
No, my opinion on Sasuke's genjutsu hasn't changed.

[Dudemancool]

Yondaime could do it alone. Deidara isnt nearly that strong.

throw multiple tagged kunais up and crazily teleport to them.

[Narutarrrd]

Lol they dont even a seconds to kill that stupid bomberman

[Spell]

Yes, its proof. Evidenced by the fact that the people did nothing while Deidara detonated the bomb. And saying it would level half the village is being generous, Suna is in a canyon so the force of an explosion in an enclosed area would be devastating.It's a common knowledge Suna would be devastated, but I still don't know why exacly half of a village would be killed.

Your point is moot, as usual. Deidara is stronger then the people he has the potential to kill. If Gaara doesn't shield the village from the bomb, then the village would have been decimated. Sasuke, Orochimaru, and Naruto have no bearing on Deidara's effect on the Sand Village,And whose post is moot? You've just stated an obvious thing. It doesn't prove Deidara would beat for example Naruto and we know he wouldn't be able to destroy whole Suna. Even with FRS.

The ninja that were killed weren't given names, therefore they're nameless. Using an example that you know full well I wasn't referring to doesn't change a thing. The AL and BH have not been named yet. The cannon fodder in there entire life cycle were never named. Get it?And? It doesn't prove anything. Name has nothing to do with the power. Get it?

Risu, do you know what cannon fodder means? Being weak doesn't make you cannon fodder being irrelevent does. Even then, Akamon Manabu would have to have been engaged in a battle of some sort to be consider cannon fodder. Do you seriously not know the difference?It doesn't matter if he has been engagen in a batlle or not. He is still a cannon fodder for anyone above chuunin level. Furthermore Chiriku (one of the 12, probably an elite jounin) and other monks in the temple were cannon fodder for Hidan and Kakuzu. Asuma - elite jounin - was a cannon fodder for Hidan. Ino, Chouji and Kakashi would have been killed by Kakuzu with easy - they were just cannon fodder for him. Many ANBU members were cannon fodder for Kabuto.

You have to understand it. Cannon fodder can be refered to most of shinobi. Everything depends on circumstances and opponents. Academy student can be a cannon fodder for genin, genin can be a cannon fodder for chuunin, chuunin can be a cannon fodder for jounin, jounin can be a cannon fodder for kage. That's simple.

I wasn't aware the Rock ninja killed 100 Konoha jouinin, could you point me to your reference? And cannon fodder killing cannon fodder doesn't make them worthy adversaries.The quantity of jounin kunai. You overuse the "cannon fodder" term. They were jounins. If you think jounins are cannon fodder, then the number of "non-cannon fodder" shinobi is really small.

You wanted me to answer a question based on an unreasonable assumption, i already addressed this.You're right, the assumption - "they were just a cannon fodder" is really reasonable.

No, my opinion on Sasuke's genjutsu hasn't changed.That's sad. I wonder what he must show to change your opinion.

[The Truth]

It's a common knowledge Suna would be devastated, but I still don't know why exacly half of a village would be killed.
The human body doesn't usually withstand bombs very well...
And whose post is moot? You've just stated an obvious thing. It doesn't prove Deidara would beat for example Naruto and we know he wouldn't be able to destroy whole Suna. Even with FRS.
I never said Deidara could beat anyone, i was talking about Suna and Suna only. Any obscure points you brought up, are your problem.
And? It doesn't prove anything. Name has nothing to do with the power. Get it?

It has everything to do with relevance. The again you know that, now you're just faining stupidity to save whats left of your argument.
It doesn't matter if he has been engagen in a batlle or not. He is still a cannon fodder for anyone above chuunin level. Furthermore Chiriku (one of the 12, probably an elite jounin) and other monks in the temple were cannon fodder for Hidan and Kakuzu. Asuma - elite jounin - was a cannon fodder for Hidan. Ino, Chouji and Kakashi would have been killed by Kakuzu with easy - they were just cannon fodder for him. Many ANBU members were cannon fodder for Kabuto.

You have to understand it. Cannon fodder can be refered to most of shinobi. Everything depends on circumstances and opponents. Academy student can be a cannon fodder for genin, genin can be a cannon fodder for chuunin, chuunin can be a cannon fodder for jounin, jounin can be a cannon fodder for kage. That's simple.

Perhaps looking the term up in the dictionary will help you, i don't plan on spending another 5 pages to explain the meaning of the word.
The quantity of jounin kunai. You overuse the "cannon fodder" term. They were jounins. If you think jounins are cannon fodder, then the number of "non-cannon fodder" shinobi is really small.

Again can you point me to your reference? If they were a hundred jounin, i'd like to know how you came to that conclusion.
You're right, the assumption - "they were just a cannon fodder" is really reasonable.
Whats this? Risu avoiding a response? I'm shocked...

That's sad. I wonder what he must show to change your opinion.
Sasuke proved he could use genjutsu against Orochimaru, why should a genjutsu that was dispelled change my opinion?

EDIT-I apologize for what might be conceived as flaming, this will be my last post.

[Distracted]

Before we continue I'd like to ask the 2 of you to stop with the semi-flaming that you are both using.

Sarcastic remarks are okay sometimes but I'm sensing a build up between the two of you.

You have differing opinions and you're arguing over petty things... so start debating rather than arguing.

[Athena Citra]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g30/fivepinktree/akatsuki.jpg

It's the last one unrevealed (except the leader).Funny thing is, the unknown member isn't even in that picture. The person beside the leader is an early rendering of Kakuzu.

Why were you guys arguing about the definition and legitimacy of such an inconsequent word rather than whether or not the Hokage could kill Deidara?

[Distracted]

Funny thing is, the unknown member isn't even in that picture. The person beside the leader is an early rendering of Kakuzu.

Why were you guys arguing about the definition and legitimacy of such an inconsequent word rather than whether or not the Hokage could kill Deidara?

Ahem... Kakuzu is on the far left of the picture. that's all I'm going to say.

[Zelkova]

Spoiler Warning! :cry

Ahem... Kakuzu is on the far left of the picture. that's all I'm going to say.

No, when in pre-skip, Kishi made Shady figures of Akatsuki... In which he made the one near LA made like a wild man... However, Kishi changed it back to normal after postskip.. (If ya dun get what I meant, see the end of part 1 & see the shady figures there..) & yes that picture is old version of wild man...

Why would BH be female? Of course cuz Kishi said so.. I think, in one of his interview he said that one of Akatsuki is female which we all thought Deidara was & proved to be wrong... IMO, Kishi first intended to make the one near LA as male & Deidara as female, however after postskip, he reversed their roles.. Also, in wikipedia, it clearly states that at least one of the members is female & wiki is mostly based on databook & interviews.. (Though one thing about Danzou is wrong, if ya clearly read, ya will know)

[Distracted]

Um... dude... you missed the point.

I know what you're talking about. I know the shadey figure that was a mysterious aktasuki we never saw again.

However you need to look at the pic the guy was talking about. He says that shadowed figure isn't BH... when that figure matches up with the shadowed figure of BH we still have since the latest chapter she was in.

Kakuzu however... IS IN THE PIC that was provided. Take a look

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g30/fivepinktree/akatsuki.jpg


See... on the far left. That's Kakuzu... oh and who's that in the middle next to AL? Oh yeah it's BH.

So... who thinks I deserve Green Rep for this?

[Zelkova]

Spoiler Warning! :cry

No. Hiraishin.

Really? I thought I saw Rin said "Shunshin".. But not sure about rock nins vs 4th.. Cuz the eng trans made me confused.. Gotta find some clean trans & scan for that chapter... :nuts

Um... dude... you missed the point.

I know what you're talking about. I know the shadey figure that was a mysterious aktasuki we never saw again.

However you need to look at the pic the guy was talking about. He says that shadowed figure isn't BH... when that figure matches up with the shadowed figure of BH we still have since the latest chapter she was in.

Kakuzu however... IS IN THE PIC that was provided. Take a look

I know that, Distracted...

I didn't say Kakuzu was the wild man.. But Kishi got lost in his fantasy & made mistakes but in postskip, he added some accessory on BH while he made BH's hair punk or wild during pre-skip...

& yep I know that shadowey figure is supposed to be BH, however fanart used the shadowey figure of ex-BH too.. So I am saying that both of u weren't wrong cuz each has their own points... :nuts

[Distracted]

Ah okay. I was just trying to be more clear on my point then. Even now BH still has relatively the same design just with that flower.

[Zelkova]

Ah okay. I was just trying to be more clear on my point then. Even now BH still has relatively the same design just with that flower.

But with different hair styles... (Cuz old BH has spikes & new BH didn't had spikes..)

[greatone360]

why is this even here what kind of question is this?? third and fourth vs deidara ????????? are you fucking crazy

THIRD AND FOURTH WILL RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

either of them alone will rape him dam man
i am shocked to see this..
maybe third and deidara vs fourth would be slightly more interesting all in favors for the fourth of course

[Zelkova]

Spoiler Warning! :cry

why is this even here what kind of question is this?? third and fourth vs deidara ????????? are you fucking crazy

THIRD AND FOURTH WILL RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

either of them alone will rape him dam man
i am shocked to see this..
maybe third and deidara vs fourth would be slightly more interesting all in favors for the fourth of course

No, even in this state.. Deidara is favorable if he is riding C2 & had land mines placed under plus he still has the chance to use C4 which both hokages cannot dodge..

It's only that if 4th can teleport then Deidara will be killed.. However, even if the fourth can teleport, the scenario both hokages die together with Deidara is still possible becuz of the C4 & the power to self-destruct...

[Sharinganmaster29]

most likely saurtobi takes a nap and yondaime pwns deidara

[Spell]

The human body doesn't usually withstand bombs very well...That's not a surprise. But you didn't answer my question.

I never said Deidara could beat anyone, i was talking about Suna and Suna only. Any obscure points you brought up, are your problem.In other words, you were off topic, and made improper response.

It has everything to do with relevance. The again you know that, now you're just faining stupidity to save whats left of your argument.No, my arguments are valid and your responses inappropriate. You're losing your temper, because you're losing the debate.

Perhaps looking the term up in the dictionary will help you, i don't plan on spending another 5 pages to explain the meaning of the word.Here you are:
Cannon Fodder:Soldiers, sailors, or other military personnel regarded as likely to be killed or wounded in combat.
Point for me again:nuts

Again can you point me to your reference? If they were a hundred jounin, i'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. I said it before - jounin kunai.

Whats this? Risu avoiding a response? I'm shocked...No, you're now avoiding a response.

Sasuke proved he could use genjutsu against Orochimaru, why should a genjutsu that was dispelled change my opinion?Sarkasm, I see...

EDIT-I apologize for what might be conceived as flaming,No problem:wink

this will be my last post.You're runnin away again? :(
Or dou you mean it's your last post on this forum?T_T

Before we continue I'd like to ask the 2 of you to stop with the semi-flaming that you are both using.

Sarcastic remarks are okay sometimes but I'm sensing a build up between the two of you.

You have differing opinions and you're arguing over petty things... so start debating rather than arguing.Don't worry, we are eternal rivals with completely opposite opinions, but we like each other:)

[Grimmjowsensei]

Where is that image of Akatsuki on a fold out with all of the coloring when you need it.

If you look at the picture that Risu posted there are 2 shadowed figures that you can't see.

The one in the middle is the Akatsuki leader commonly called AL for short. The one to his left (your right) is the only other member of Akatsuki to not be revealed. (akatsuki is an organization of high ranking criminals.)

The one on the right has been shown facing away from the audience with long flowing blue hair and a flower in he(r) ear. The Blue hair is why people call that member of Akatsuki BH (short for Blue Hair).

It is commonly assumed that BH is female. Kishi said in an interview that he would add a strong female character in after the time skip. It has become apparent that the strong female character is likely Karin, though it was heavily speculated at the time to be the BH member. Also the fact that the BH has a flower in her(his) generally has people believing it is a female character.

I'm not certain, but I believe people have looked at the outline and seen a more feminine figure and even the shape of breasts on the BH's chest. Though this is not conclusive in any shape way or form.

any other questions?


i hope kishi doesnt come up with another shemale like Haku.