Capcomverses vs SquareEnixverses

[Dio Brando]

No Omnipotents or nigh-omnipotents.
Who wins?

edit: Xenogears is now banned.

[Keollyn]

Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki

Id VS. Gouki

[masamune1]

Capcom-verses are generally set in the real world, just with fantasy/ sci-fi twists (Resident Evil, Onimusha, Street Fighter etc). The majority of SquareEnix games are based in their own worlds, all of with feature armies of monsters, aliens, and/ or superhuman beings, with all three having access to magical powers. Since Kingdom Hearts is also made by Square, they have access to the Disneyverses as well.

In other words, Capcom lose. Badly.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

If Capcom - verse includes Onimusha then they will win. Onimusha has some extremely overpowered characters.

Capcom - verse FTW.

[Keollyn]

Onimusha universe isn't beating Xenogears universe.

[Fiasco]

Square Enix has Magus from Chrono trigger.He has 'Dark Matter'.
Capcom got :pwned

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Onimusha universe isn't beating Xenogears universe.

Well Onimusha verse has God of Darkness who is Omnipotent but since the OP doesn't allow that, I guess it's you might be right (I know nothing of Xenogears).

BTW, should I try out the Xenogears games?

[Keollyn]

Well Onimusha verse has God of Darkness who is Omnipotent but since the OP doesn't allow that, I guess it's you might be right (I know nothing of Xenogears).

BTW, should I try out the Xenogears games?

I'm really sceptical about this god of darkness/omnipotent biz (you were just saying elsewhere that it was nigh). An omnipotent can't just be one aspect. But regardless, it isn't like Xenogears doesn't have a nigh-omni of it's one (and with better showings)

Try it if you want. I don't recommend games.

[Dio Brando]

Would it be a better match up if nigh omnipotents were included?

[Keollyn]

No, not really. I can't vouch for alot of verses of the two companies, but Xenogear's nigh-omni can "piss" out big bangs.

[Yagami-Kun]

Would it be a better match up if nigh omnipotents were included?

I guess. I +repped you by the way because I was about to create a thread like this.

[Dio Brando]

No, not really. I can't vouch for alot of verses of the two companies, but Xenogear's nigh-omni can "piss" out big bangs.
Damn. I gotta play Xenogears some day. Nevermind then.

I guess. I +repped you by the way because I was about to create a thread like this.
Thanks. :amuse


Anybody have some more on topic thoughts?

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

I have a question: Who from Xenogears is equal to Soki?

[Keollyn]

Has Soki:
- Destroyed a country equivalent physically?
- Busted a planet?
- Went into a singularity?
- Took a dimension destroyer?
- Withstood the big bang?
- Caused/Prevented dimensional tears?
- Beat a 5th dimensional imp equivalent?

With these questions answered, I can give you yours.

[Robotkiller]

I think the final fantasy summons could take this by themselves @_@

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Has Soki:
- Destroyed a country equivalent physically?
- Busted a planet?
- Went into a singularity?
- Took a dimension destroyer? He beat Fortinbras, the God of Light who is much more than that.
- Withstood the big bang?
- Cause dimensional tears?
- Beat a 5th dimensional imp equivalent?

With these questions answered, I can give you yours.

Bold = Yes.
Italics = No
Underlined = No because it he wasn't in such a situation where he needed to do that.

I don't know about the last question though. He did wipe the floor with Fortinbras though.

[Keollyn]

I doubt Fortinbras replicated that dimension destroyer.

Anyway, since Soki lacks feats, he really isn't equal to much in the Xenogears verse. You'd have to specifically tell me what he has done.

[mystictrunks]

*yauns*

Capcom verse also gets Disneryverses haven't you played Duck Tales. Which means they get KHverse which leads to them getting FFverse which leads to them getting every other verse that Square made that matters.


Capcom takes this while mowing it's lawn.

[DarkLordDragon]

Jedah, Belial & Pyron for the win :P

[Keollyn]

^ Meh... they'd be smacked down by Deus, Fei and Urboros :nod

[crimson darkness]

onimusha is way overhyped at this form. soki/fortinbra at there strongest is just slightly weaker than sparda trigger dante/mundus. there's not even any hints of him being nearly as powerful as some ppl claim in speaches/files, and he had to rely on his friends help to destroy the dark stone and hideyoshi

does square have anything that can deal with darkstalkers high tier though? pyron was a planet eater/galaxy buster in his strongest form. jedah was capable of absorbing all souls into 1 being, though he feared the god that he was awakening.

[Jin22]

This would be a toss up. While SquareEnix got some beasts, so does Capcom. We're talking S-class demons from Darkstalkers, Dragon gods from the Bof series, the top tier level characters from Onimusha the likes of the Soki, the strongest Oni's, and Fortinbras. I'd even include Megaman X who at his strongest was not only stated to be a global threat, but is rumoured to be a planet buster in his strongest armour.

[Kagutsuchi]

Yojimbo Zanmato GAME OVER lawl!

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

onimusha is way overhyped at this form. soki/fortinbra at there strongest is just slightly weaker than sparda trigger dante/mundus. there's not even any hints of him being nearly as powerful as some ppl claim in speaches/files, and he had to rely on his friends help to destroy the dark stone and hideyoshi

does square have anything that can deal with darkstalkers high tier though? pyron was a planet eater/galaxy buster in his strongest form. jedah was capable of absorbing all souls into 1 being, though he feared the god that he was awakening.

There we go again. WRONG, Soki >>>> DMC verse.

[Jin22]

Yojimbo Zanmato GAME OVER lawl!Wrong...Shungokusatsu GAME OVER.

Add the better pose and that's overkill.

[Keollyn]

onimusha is way overhyped at this form. soki/fortinbra at there strongest is just slightly weaker than sparda trigger dante/mundus. there's not even any hints of him being nearly as powerful as some ppl claim in speaches/files, and he had to rely on his friends help to destroy the dark stone and hideyoshi

does square have anything that can deal with darkstalkers high tier though? pyron was a planet eater/galaxy buster in his strongest form. jedah was capable of absorbing all souls into 1 being, though he feared the god that he was awakening.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=8986419&postcount=14

Just a sample of things to expect from ONE game on the Square side. I'm not even mentioning Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile...

SquareEnix wins by a rapeslide

[Jin22]

Has Soki:
- Destroyed a country equivalent physically?
- Busted a planet?
- Went into a singularity?
- Took a dimension destroyer?
- Withstood the big bang?
- Caused/Prevented dimensional tears?
- Beat a 5th dimensional imp equivalent?

With these questions answered, I can give you yours.Just because one hasn't shown as many feats as another doesn't mean they one cannot do it themselves. I'd say Soki at his strongest which is the god of Darkness form is capable of all of the above.

Capcom also has many other powewrful verses that could easily contend.

[Dio Brando]

Just because one hasn't shown as many feats as another doesn't mean they one cannot do it themselves. I'd say Soki at his strongest which is the god of Darkness form is capable of all of the above.

Capcom also has many other powewrful verses that could easily contend.

Such as? I'm not trying to be rude, but it would be helpful so that there can be more discussion.

[Keollyn]

Just because one hasn't shown as many feats as another doesn't mean they one cannot do it themselves. I'd say Soki at his strongest which is the god of Darkness form is capable of all of the above.

So Fei can go billion of times the speed of light, destroy multiverses with a single blast, stop time, travel through time, punch through dimensions, take multiversal blast, sit in the sun, and move planets and stars.

I mean, at least with Fei, he's been given the indictation of the majority. This is why you must go by what they did, or I could just as well play that game.

[Byakuya]

Squareverses in a fucking curbstomp.

[Dio Brando]

Can I ban Xenogears to make it less onesided?

[Keollyn]

Yes. But then you're still left with Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile. Star Ocean have MANY planet destroyers and Valkyrie Profile have reality reality-warpers

[Dio Brando]

Yes. But then you're still left with Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile. Star Ocean have MANY planet destroyers and Valkyrie Profile have reality reality-warpers

Are they as cheap as Xenogears though?

Capcom has its fair share of strongass people that might contend.

[Keollyn]

Well, I can't vouch too much for Valkyrie Profile. Star Ocean shouldn't be too problematic I guess. Those planet buster did get pwned by less.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

People are underestimating Capcom a bit right?

I'll research on the Square verse and hopefuly put up an analysis to the fight like I did in the "GOW Vs DMC" thread.

[crimson darkness]

Just because one hasn't shown as many feats as another doesn't mean they one cannot do it themselves. I'd say Soki at his strongest which is the god of Darkness form is capable of all of the above.

Capcom also has many other powewrful verses that could easily contend.

you have to atleaste have hints which show him being able to do things to make an argument

and since the god of darkness was killed by a simple sword stab with soki's orange sword, and reduced to the version you see in oni1, it doesn't show him being too powerful. and soki being unable to use his full power after being knocked down and double koing fortinbra's serpent form(not a big bang equivalent attack, not a nuclear equivalent attack, just knocking him down after a fight).

capcom does have captain blue/6machine, who are big enough to just throw the earth to the sun.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

you have to atleaste have hints which show him being able to do things to make an argument

and since the god of darkness was killed by a simple sword stab with soki's orange sword, and reduced to the version you see in oni1, it doesn't show him being too powerful. and soki being unable to use his full power after being knocked down and double koing fortinbra's serpent form(not a big bang equivalent attack, not a nuclear equivalent attack, just knocking him down after a fight).

capcom does have captain blue/6machine, who are big enough to just throw the earth to the sun.

What are you talking about? And no, Fortinbras was not killed by a "simple sword stab".

[Dio Brando]

Well, I can't vouch too much for Valkyrie Profile. Star Ocean shouldn't be too problematic I guess. Those planet buster did get pwned by less.
Well I banned Xenogears. Hope no one minds.

People are underestimating Capcom a bit right?

I'll research on the Square verse and hopefuly put up an analysis to the fight like I did in the "GOW Vs DMC" thread.

I don't think so. Xenogears just seems to cheap. Both sides have plenty of hard hitters.

No one has really gone into the Final Fantasy charaters, for example.

[Jin22]

So Fei can go billion of times the speed of light, destroy multiverses with a single blast, stop time, travel through time, punch through dimensions, take multiversal blast, sit in the sun, and move planets and stars.

I mean, at least with Fei, he's been given the indictation of the majority. This is why you must go by what they did, or I could just as well play that game.Looks like I'll go ahead and fully take up the Capcom side. For now I'll go ahead and request statements, images, any kind of proof displaying Fei as his alter ego pulling those claimed Universal feats. I'm no hypocrite in these matters and won't waste my time proving something I doubt one can pull. Only if though if it's on a universal scale like what is claimed. That and it's been a few years since I've beaten Xenogears.

With Capcom I can only go by statments as far as creation and galaxy-like feats used as proof. With that said, as a planet level threat Soki in his Genma god of darkness form, he defeated a being stated to be armageddon of the Omni-verse.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0phUMLilXUThis Soki in Super Oni mode. Easily a planet level threat and note that this isn't even him at his strongest. Nor is that Fortinbras at it's strongest.

This is Soki in base Oni mode:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lHXS7JBNRQw&mode=related&search=
I gauge him as a country level threat in this form.

[crimson darkness]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0phUMLilXUThis Soki in Super Oni mode. Easily a planet level threat and note that this isn't even him at his strongest. Nor is that Fortinbras at it's strongest.

This is Soki in base Oni mode:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lHXS7JBNRQw&mode=related&search=
I gauge him as a country level threat in this form.


i've said it before, 1st video shows him being slightly weaker than sparda dante, unless soki learns to throw something with powerlvl similar to the spirit dragon. no where near planet busting

2nd vid doesn't show him destroying a country. destroying a country>cutting a giant robot's hand.

pyron did show him being huge in his ending with a galaxy in the background, after destroying earth

[Keollyn]

Looks like I'll go ahead and fully take up the Capcom side. For now I'll go ahead and request statements, images, any kind of proof displaying Fei as his alter ego pulling those claimed Universal feats. I'm no hypocrite in these matters and won't waste my time proving something I doubt one can pull. Only if though if it's on a universal scale like what is claimed. That and it's been a few years since I've beaten Xenogears.

With Capcom I can only go by statments as far as creation and galaxy-like feats used as proof. With that said, as a planet level threat Soki in his Genma god of darkness form, he defeated a being stated to be armageddon of the Omni-verse.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0phUMLilXUThis Soki in Super Oni mode. Easily a planet level threat and note that this isn't even him at his strongest. Nor is that Fortinbras at it's strongest.

This is Soki in base Oni mode:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lHXS7JBNRQw&mode=related&search=
I gauge him as a country level threat in this form.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5238402&postcount=166

That's pretty much all I have to post.

[Jin22]

i've said it before, 1st video shows him being slightly weaker than sparda dante, unless soki learns to throw something with powerlvl similar to the spirit dragon. no where near planet busting

2nd vid doesn't show him destroying a country. destroying a country>cutting a giant robot's hand.

pyron did show him being huge in his ending with a galaxy in the background, after destroying earthDude, the heck are you doing? I've not even mention anything about Dante or Pyron.

If you think I'm using Soki because I think he's the strongest in Capcom then, you got it wrong. I'm using Soki as a measuring stick.


http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5238402&postcount=166I'll have to admit that before I could only remember some feats of Id's with him destroying giant gears with his bare hands. Things Megaman X and Soki could do with ease. Now, I do remember Fei being a reincarnation of a cetain entity that was pretty much cosmic. I don't know, with the things said such as "Fei being the vessel of god", or the "Contact containing infinite energy". That seems even beyond cosmic if you ask me and that would pretty much put him up there with Kami Tenchi and Z.

[mystictrunks]

Peopl;e are fogetting Capcom has:
Viewtiful Joe
Okami
The Breath of Fire Series
The various Ghouls and Ghosts Games
JoJo Bizarre Adventure
All those marvel games
Spawn
Aladin
Gundam
and so on

[crimson darkness]

are we including liscenced things. so we can give capcom marvel and snk chars?

[SteelJack]

If we do that, then Thanos has a field day with the majority of the SE group. Hell, maybe even all of them, he did have the IG in the games, right? Oh, if Disney is allowed (for either side), I pray for the poor souls for whoever took his lucky dime.

[The Anti-Existence]

Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki Id VS. Gouki

Id VS. Gouki


Id w/or without his Gear that has his most impressive feats?

And which version of Akuma? That's his name. Not Gouki.

[Keollyn]

Id w/or without his Gear that has his most impressive feats?

And which version of Akuma? That's his name. Not Gouki.

I thought that wasn't the argument? I thought it was the most feats?

[SteelJack]

Id w/or without his Gear that has his most impressive feats?

And which version of Akuma? That's his name. Not Gouki.

Gouki's his Japanese name. Much like how Charlie's name is Nash in Japan. (Dammit, Nash is a cool name. Charlie, not so much.)

[The Anti-Existence]

It's irrelevant anywho.Just noticed the edi tin the OP.

And the better feats is obviously the criteria for victory. The essence of quality over quantity.

Gouki's his Japanese name. Much like how Charlie's name is Nash in Japan. (Dammit, Nash is a cool name. Charlie, not so much.)

I know it's his Japanese name. But we are neither in Japan nor writing in Japanese.

One would think one would use his English version name for typing in English instead of how it was way over on the other side of the world.

[Keollyn]

Still wasn't the argument... and I should remind you that you were the one that said Weltall-Id has the most feats.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Dude, the heck are you doing? I've not even mention anything about Dante or Pyron.

If you think I'm using Soki because I think he's the strongest in Capcom then, you got it wrong. I'm using Soki as a measuring stick.


I'll have to admit that before I could only remember some feats of Id's with him destroying giant gears with his bare hands. Things Megaman X and Soki could do with ease. Now, I do remember Fei being a reincarnation of a cetain entity that was pretty much cosmic. I don't know, with the things said such as "Fei being the vessel of god", or the "Contact containing infinite energy". That seems even beyond cosmic if you ask me and that would pretty much put him up there with Kami Tenchi and Z.

Soki is also up there with them and I will try my best to prove it in the analysis I will post soon.

i've said it before, 1st video shows him being slightly weaker than sparda dante, unless soki learns to throw something with powerlvl similar to the spirit dragon. no where near planet busting

2nd vid doesn't show him destroying a country. destroying a country>cutting a giant robot's hand.

pyron did show him being huge in his ending with a galaxy in the background, after destroying earth

Again wrong. Soki destroyed the omen star just by walking into the damn thing (We don't know what happens to him after that. Best we can assume is that he ascended to the heavens). Show me that Sparda Dante can do that.

[crimson darkness]

to be fair sacrificing himself to stop the dark star was probably more because of plot device. the darkstar was not like a true star of any sort it was more like a lot of evil energy with ancient genma/oni souls sealed(i would theorize). he may have just made it dissapear by boarding it which was my original thought when i was playing. we may find out if capcom decides to make a sequel. destroyer of humanity can be a real good villain, with akane as a main char(since she was the narator in the ending)
besides the fact that the original god of darkness needed to reincarnate himself shows that he's not that godly.

anyways here's pyron's ending whose a true galaxy buster and can travel light years
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/d/nwpyr.htm
jedah is supposedly stronger.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

besides the fact that the original god of darkness needed to reincarnate himself shows that he's not that godly.

Needed? As you said, it's a plot - device. What kind of logic is that?

[Dio Brando]

On Disney, I'm going to keep things simpler and ban them. But only the Disney characters (in other words you can still use Sora, Riku etc.)

You can use the rest of Capcom's licensed stuff but they can only use feats from that game, not anywhere else.

[Jin22]

I was saving Capcom's Darkstalker characters for last, but Fei/Id even seemingly nigh-omnipotent is stated simply as cosmic.

I'll concur with that.