Rpg Play Offs - "Dante vs Lloyd Irving"

[Id]

Id presents RPG play offs Trail Tournaments :id

How to participate
Highlight the winner.
Give your reason why he or she would win.

Rules
In Character
Everything goes
Match takes place on “Neutral Indestructible Earth”
They are 1 mile away from each other.
The strongest version of the character
Game Mechanics are not allowed


Example

Dante (Devil May Cry) vs Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
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Comment - Dante was seen moving X amount of speed, doing X thing, with X mount of sheer force. Thats why he takes it.
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[ÐÈPRÈŞŞÈÐ]

I don't know much about Lloyd, but I think that going head to head with Dante in melee would most likely be suicide. Does he any special abilities like magic, summons, or technology?

[Pintsize]

Lloyd has this special thing called the eternal sword. That gives him complete control over space and time, and allows for much crazy shit.

From what I have heard, Dante does not :(

[ÐÈPRÈŞŞÈÐ]

Lloyd has this special thing called the eternal sword. That gives him complete control over space and time, and allows for much crazy shit.

From what I have heard, Dante does not

That changes things. Can he stop time? If he does, I see him taking it.

[Pintsize]

It said complete control. And while he's never stopped time, he hass fused two worlds together. And created a tree of endless mana. And moved around other planetary sized objects. Stopping time doesn't seem out of the question, imo.

Or like, sending Dante into the sun! :yell

Seriously though, Lloyd is badder than Leroy Brown.

[Tuxx]

We never seen him stop time, the sword wraps reality and things of that sort. Although the sword itself can do time/space ability and can cancel other peoples time/space powers.

But the sword itself can do really crazy stuff, though I'm not a Tales expert >< I've played most of them though ^^

[Pintsize]

Indeed, I hope to see Lloyd and his sword go to the top.

Boy's got some skills wit dat sword, ya'll.

[Wesley]

The OP said in character. Mithos never used the Eternal Sword in combat, let alone Lloyd. Meaning Lloyd won't use it to stop time and hax the universe in the middle of a fight. Other then that, he's just some punk kid that talks too much.

[Pintsize]

The OP said anything goes. Might be a contradicting statement, but whateva.

[Wesley]

The OP said anything goes. Might be a contradicting statement, but whateva.

In that case, even if he used it, there's very little that indicates it being all that great for fighting. I think Mithos used it like once and all it did was knock Lloyd into a pillar.

[SteelJack]

In that case, even if he used it, there's very little that indicates it being all that great for fighting. I think Mithos used it like once and all it did was knock Lloyd into a pillar.

I thought it was telekinesis? :huh

[Wesley]

I thought it was telekinesis? :huh

Admittedly my mind is sketchy. I remember a flash, Mithos handling the sword, and a KO'd Lloyd.

I would like to point out that most of the feats atributted to Lloyd's intent had alot of the ground work set up in place by Mithos. Mithos set up the opposing currents of mana by forming pacts with the summons, he splitt the world in two, and created the Mana planet. He also preserved the Mana Seed in order to ressurect his sister.

All Lloyd had to do was unmake Mithos's work, which I would think would be much easier.

As of right now, Lloyd's mastery of the Eternal Sword is questionable and we have no idea how long it took Mithos to set up the Parallel Worlds in the first place. We know there were roughly 4000 years between Mithos's journey and now.

That's alot of time for the history books to be rewritten and alot of things to be forgotten.

[Pintsize]

Admittedly my mind is sketchy. I remember a flash, Mithos handling the sword, and a KO'd Lloyd.

I would like to point out that most of the feats atributted to Lloyd's intent had alot of the ground work set up in place by Mithos. Mithos set up the opposing currents of mana by forming pacts with the summons, he splitt the world in two, and created the Mana planet. He also preserved the Mana Seed in order to ressurect his sister.


This is true

All Lloyd had to do was unmake Mithos's work, which I would think would be much easier.

As of right now, Lloyd's mastery of the Eternal Sword is questionable and we have no idea how long it took Mithos to set up the Parallel Worlds in the first place. We know there were roughly 4000 years between Mithos's journey and now.

This is not. Both Origin and the Eternal Sword said that Mithos tried to do what Lloyd did, and could not. Since Mithos was the previous master of the Eternal Sword, and couldn't do something, yet Lloyd could, chances are, he's not only mastered the sword, but he's mastered it better.

Also, the Eternal Sword asks "What does the master of the sword desire?" when he picks it up, and warns Lloyd against trying to unite the worlds, saying "The previous master of the sword, Mithos, could not do this. Do you still wish to try?"

Forget what you want, but chances are, those two people know what they were talking about.

[Wesley]

No, Mithos broke the promise he'd made with the pact and set up the system as it was in order to ressurect Martel. That was his only priorty and he was no longer interested in world unity, ending racism and corruption or any of the other ideals he may have held at one time.

And in the end, Lloyd was helped out by Collette and whatever was left of Mithos when he returned the Mana Tree and reunited the worlds.

Lloyd's a swordsman and not necessarily a very good one.

[Pintsize]

No, Mithos broke the promise he'd made with the pact and set up the system as it was in order to ressurect Martel. That was his only priorty and he was no longer interested in world unity, ending racism and corruption or any of the other ideals he may have held at one time.

Doesn't matter if that was his goal at the time of the story. If both Origin and the Eternal Sword said he couldn't do something, obviously he either A) did not have the capability, or B) tried and failed at one point. Lloyd passed both tests.

And in the end, Lloyd was helped out by Collette and whatever was left of Mithos when he returned the Mana Tree and reunited the worlds.


What? Collette couldn't directly affect the Eternal Sword, not being a half elf, or having that stone Kratos gave Lloyd. And Mithos never returned to the Mana Tree.

Lloyd's a swordsman and not necessarily a very good one.

Well, seeing as he beat Kratos one on one, and Kratos being the best swordsman for the 4,000 years or whatever after Mithos did his thing, he's certainly the best in the ToS verse. Of course, they could all just suck.

[Wesley]

Mithos could have failed in the abstract. He didn't even attempt to fullfill his promise after Martel was killed. And it's not acceptable to assume that ToS is just weak martially. It's a pity that ToS doesn't have any cutscenes to point to where they actually fight. We have the OVA as well as the new Devil May Cry series at least.

[Pintsize]

Mithos could have failed in the abstract. He didn't even attempt to fullfill his promise after Martel was killed.

That's kinda a cop out, imo.

And it's not acceptable to assume that ToS is just weak martially.

I never did :confused

ThisOf course, they could all just suck.was cleary sarcasm in response to your comment.

It's a pity that ToS doesn't have any cutscenes to point to where they actually fight. We have the OVA as well as the new Devil May Cry series at least.

Yes we do. ToS looks pretty uber, all things considered. Though the Forcystus(sp) fight coulda gone better. Still, for the start of their journey, things are looking ridiculously powerful.

[Id]

I think Lloyd is winning...

[Wesley]

If I'd have played the Devil May Cry series, I would have been able to say more. All I can do is question the Eternal Sword's role in the world, whether it acts as more of a sledgehammer, as most seem to think, or whether it's really more of a key or catalyst.

The fact that it's never used to great effect in combat, I would think make it in reality closer to the latter then the former.

[Adjective-Noun]

Dante wins, he's just so much better than Lloyd at everything it's not funny.

Oh, and magic guns trump magic swords. Even the Eternal sword, which Lloyd doesn't use in combat outside of one ougi,which ain't that great either.

[Amped Lightning]

lloyd may have the eternal sword, giving him time travel, teleportation whatever,
but he wouldn't be smart enough to use it. so, i'll go with dante

[Bolt Crank]

Dante vs Lloyd Irving

[Wesley]

Dante vs Lloyd Irving

Why? How? With what? You're assuming Lloyd can do things he's never done.

[Reznor]

We are using Llyod at the peak of the game, right?

So, he gets the Eternal Sword for its utility purposes, but uses that Red and Blue pair (forgot the name) for combat, right?

Lloyd isn't going to use the Eternal Sword for combat since 1) Mithos didn't 2) He uses dual blades.

This does mean that Lloyd can fly and teleport some, but I don't think that he'd have enough control to just throw people into the sun. I mean, Mithos didn't.

I'm leaning towards Lloyd, but Dante is pretty quick, and no telling what a well placed bullet could do (like a well placed arrow before fighting Mithos the 2nd time)

Edit: To clarify, I haven't voted yet, but if I have to, Lloyd.

[~Avant~]

Um...Lloyd does use the Eternal Sword in combat. You have to have the Vorpal and Flamberge swords equipped(the red and blue swords). Once Lloyd reaches low health you can perform his Hi-Ougi, which allows him to use the eternal Sword.

Here's a vid: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Xhtmpw_L_c&mode=related&search=

[Adjective-Noun]

^ Which did what? Make an explosion? Like that will stop Dante.

Lloyd just cant win. Eternal Sword and all, he's just too much fail while Dante is just way too much win.

Furthermore, the Eternal sword is a magic sword, most of what Mithos did was his own magic amplified through the power of the sword. Lloyd does not and can not use magic. The end. No teleportation, no sending him into the sun. If Lloyd could reliably do those things in a combat situation, I think he would have.

Lloyd has not shown that he is capable of doing such things while under battle situations and therefore, to say that he can would be false logic. As it stands, even Mithos did not use the Eternal sword well in a battle or else he would have just pwned the party right then and there by, as you say, teleportation or time travel. And I think we can both agree that Mithos> Lloyd in just about everything but sword skill.

So, look, I like Lloyd and all, but the Eternal Sword in TOS was a plot device and a tool, not an instrument of war.

[Reznor]

You make a good point. He had the eternal sword for the last segment of the game and that didn't give him those kinds of battle powers.

Although, Kratos and Collete could fly outside battle, so it's hard to say.

It probably is more utility that combat though.

[~Avant~]

That was just ingame Mechanics. Since we know what the Eternal Sword can actually do, it would stand that since he CAN in fact use it in battle, that he can defeat Dante

[Wesley]

That was just ingame Mechanics. Since we know what the Eternal Sword can actually do, it would stand that since he CAN in fact use it in battle, that he can defeat Dante

Yet, Mithos did not.

[~Avant~]

Yet, Mithos did not.

Then its a good thing its not Mithos fighting in this topic

[Wesley]

Then its a good thing its not Mithos fighting in this topic

Are you crying PIS?

[Pintsize]

Llyod was stated to be able to do things with the Eternal Sword that Mithos could not, by two reliable sources. By arguing that he failed in the abstract, you seem to be the only one claiming PIS, Wes =/