Sephiroth and Cloud Vs. Itachi and Kisame

[HellKarasu]

Whaddya think? I think it could be interesting.

[mystictrunks]

. . . Final Fantasy Side Stomps The Narito Nins . . .

[Fuujin]

It all depends if Itachi's epic fail can possibly counter-act Kisame's pure win. Tough one, if it was Kisame alone vs the FF7 crew the winner would be clear.

[Shuntensatsu]

. . . Final Fantasy Side Stomps The Narito Nins . . .

This is fact.

[Rangamaru]

I'm sorry, but this is just a rapefest. I have only one question, what type of condoms are sephiroth and cloud wearing?

[Enigmatic Swordsman]

Shouldn't this be in the joke battledome?

[K I S K E]

Sephiroth can LITERALLY take control of earth, and smash it into another planet. . .
He wins alone. Hell, Sephiroth> Narutoverse with ease...

[Kai]

KOTR for massive ko. This isn't remotely close.

[K I S K E]

I don't think he has KOTR... Or ANY summons... the meteor thingy withstanding. AND he is the only left handed bad ass EVER.

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Pfft, Seph solos this.

[Fuujin]

Itachi tsukuyomis Sephy and Kisame proceeds to rapestomp Cloud.

[Kimimaro]

Oh please, Itachi uses Genjutsu on both of them while Kisame uses his lake jutsu to drown both of them. The naruto team wins in a huge curbstomp. Just kidding =)

[Gaelek_13]

Even Advent Children Cloud and Sephiroth could take this...as it is the Akatsuki are boned....

[Shinkirou]

FF7 Characters can actually survive underwater for a decent amount of time. Enough to be able to swim out atleast, and if we're doing Advent Children versions, they'd just jump to safety. Though seeing as how neither of the Akatsuki members has any magic defense, one good Ultima should take care of them both.

[Darklyre]

Fuck Ultima.

Reflect. Itachi and Kisame own themselves with their own jutsus.

[Seany]

lol .

[Lord Snow]

Sephiroth can solo this.

[Leskyel]

Sephiroth sleeps. Cloud solos this with both arms and one leg behind his back.

[Byakuya]

lol. .............

[Arachnia]

Overkill....

[HellKarasu]

Alright then Sephiroth and Cloud Vs. Akatsuki

[The Nameless Pharaoh]

Oh please, Itachi uses Genjutsu on both of them while Kisame uses his lake jutsu to drown both of them. The naruto team wins in a huge curbstomp.
Itachi tsukuyomis Sephy and Kisame proceeds to rapestomp Cloud.

You two are being sarcastic...right?

[Random Nobody]

Alright then Sephiroth and Cloud Vs. Akatsuki

The only thing that changes is the body count.

[Fuujin]

You two are being sarcastic...right?As soon as one of them looks into Itachi's eyes they're done for. The other turns to look at the body falling, turns back saying what did you do to....(cut short by another Tsukuyomi)

Of course this is assuming they don't know about sharingan and they start off staring at each other waiting for the other's move.

[Random Nobody]

Tsukuyomi has never killed anyone and its been used 3 times. Not to mention that Cloud and Sephiroth have magic that can stop time so its a moot point anyway.

[Kimimaro]

You two are being sarcastic...right?

Of course XD! Look at the white characters :)

[Fuujin]

Tsukuyomi has never killed anyone and its been used 3 times. Not to mention that Cloud and Sephiroth have magic that can stop time so its a moot point anyway.Even if it doesn't kill them or cause severe mental collapse they would certainly be knocked out and Itachi and Kisame could just walk up to them and kill them with a kunai.

It all comes down to who gets first strike.

[Random Nobody]

Kakashi was still able to talk after getting hit with it. That's all the time either of these two need to use a spell and then its game over for Itachi and Kisame.

[Fuujin]

Kakashi was still able to talk after getting hit with it. That's all the time either of these two need to use a spell and then its game over for Itachi and Kisame.Does either of them possess the Sharingan? No? Sorry GG then.

[Supa Swag]

Even if it doesn't kill them or cause severe mental collapse they would certainly be knocked out and Itachi and Kisame could just walk up to them and kill them with a kunai.

It all comes down to who gets first strike.

Auto-life and elixir for the win

Itachi sees this, goes "WTF?!" and Cloud goes Omnislash on his ass.

Kisame decides he's too cool for the battle and leaves.

[Random Nobody]

The Sharingan didn't do shit when Kakashi got hit by Tsukuyomi. The reason most genjutsu doesn't work on the Sharingan is because the user can see through the illusion.

[Fuujin]

The Sharingan didn't do shit when Kakashi got hit by Tsukuyomi. The reason most genjutsu doesn't work on the Sharingan is because the user can see through the illusion.No, Itachi himself said that since he had the sharingan he could resist a little, but he couldn't destroy the illusion since he wasn't of Uchiha blood. Plus Itachi wasn't even intending to kill Kakashi, he ordered Kisame before to take Kakashi and make the other two disappear, therefore he only wanted to knock him out anyway to abduct him.

[Random Nobody]

Why the hell would he want to abduct Kakashi? That has nothing to do with that they where planning.

Not that it matters much since Itachi won't get the chance to use it anyway.

[~Shin~]

Sephiroth and Cloud speedblitz Itachi and Kisame before they can perform any of their techniques.

[Fuujin]

Sephiroth and Cloud speedblitz Itachi and Kisame before they can perform any of their techniques.Now really what have we got for comparisson of speed? Kisame was fast enough to keep up with base Gai. Itachi was so fast his seal speed couldn't be read by Kakashi's 3 tomoe sharingan.

[Darklyre]

Cloud was fast enough to move his hundred+ pound sword to deflect bullets. He deflected a bullet with his SUNGLASSES. He took on a guy who could basically do Soru and Geppou.

So yeah, he's fast enough.

[Hale]

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Cloud was fast enough to move his hundred+ pound sword to deflect bullets. He deflected a bullet with his SUNGLASSES. He took on a guy who could basically do Soru and Geppou.

So yeah, he's fast enough. Where did you get the weight of cloud's sword from?

[Kai]

Cloud at the beginning of Advent Children took a bullet straight to his forehead and had minor bleeding as a result.

They have the reflexes to react to bullets, and can jump atop skyscrapers in a few seconds. Stop and omnislash can end this in an instant.

[thegoodjae]

RN stop acting stupid. You know that Kakashi himself said that Itachi could have killed him easily if he wanted to. That is a retarded comment from someone who actually read that part.

Anyways, Cloud of Seph should solo this whether Game or AC.

[Soul Vibe]

people actually think Itachi and Kisame will win

lmfao

[Fuujin]

Hale how on earth did you manage to get -2000000+ rep? How is that even possible unless a mod did it.

[Random Nobody]

RN stop acting stupid. You know that Kakashi himself said that Itachi could have killed him easily if he wanted to. That is a retarded comment from someone who actually read that part.

Anyways, Cloud of Seph should solo this whether Game or AC.

It's never killed anyone ever despite being used on 3 different occasions. Not to mention the complete lack of an explanation on how an illusion kills someone. Far as I'm considered Kakashi's statement was either hyperbole, or he's suprised Itachi didn't kill him well he was under the Jutsu's effect.

[thegoodjae]

Yet it as stated it could kill someone and he was not even trying on all three occasions. Stop posting.

[Random Nobody]

It was stated to do something it has never done. I don't see what's so unreasonable about wanting it to actually kill someone (even some fodder loser, I don't care) before I just nod my head and agree that he can one hit people with it.

[Fuujin]

It's never killed anyone ever despite being used on 3 different occasions. Not to mention the complete lack of an explanation on how an illusion kills someone. Far as I'm considered Kakashi's statement was either hyperbole, or he's suprised Itachi didn't kill him well he was under the Jutsu's effect.What he's surprised he didn't kill him in the one second the genjutsu happened? With Kurenai and Asuma there? That's pretty likely isn't it :amuse
It was stated to do something it has never done. I don't see what's so unreasonable about wanting it to actually kill someone (even some fodder loser, I don't care) before I just nod my head and agree that he can one hit people with it.Itachi doesn't have to prove himself to you :mad He may not have killed them on the 3 occasions it was used but he had no reason to, besides they were incapasitated on all 3 occasions, one of which Kisame commented that he was disappointed it didn't cause mental collapse, meaning that it had the power to do so had Itachi wanted to.

[BlademasterXIII]

If Cloud and Sephieroth figured out how to fight the Sharingan and Genjutsu it would be easy as pie. mmmmmm pie!:)

[Pintsize]

Is this the return of jplaya? :o

[Hamaru]

Cloud is not needed.

[Cabbage Cabrera]

What versions of Cloud and Sephiroth are these? Game versions win in an epic rapestomp but it could be contested with if they're from Advent Children.

[Z.:M:.Z]

Me being a FF fan and a Huuuuuuge Naruto fan so I know exactly what both sides is capable of so my opinion would have to be Itachi and Kisame. Although,Sephiroth is for a fact verrry evil, I dont think anyone is more evil than Itachi. Besides, Cloud and sephiroth could not counter mangekyou Sharingan so that pretty much means It would be the same situation as In when Kakashi vs Itachi,The other two could not open their eyes or they would die. And Cloud and Sephiroth dont have the ability to counter Sharingan
Kisame wouldent really have to do anything.So id say Itachi and Kisame.
:amuse

[The last Dalek]

Me being a FF fan and a Huuuuuuge Naruto fan so I know exactly what both sides is capable of so my opinion would have to be Itachi and Kisame. Although,Sephiroth is for a fact verrry evil, I dont think anyone is more evil than Itachi. Besides, Cloud and sephiroth could not counter mangekyou Sharingan so that pretty much means It would be the same situation as In when Kakashi vs Itachi,The other two could not open their eyes or they would die. And Cloud and Sephiroth dont have the ability to counter Sharingan
Kisame wouldent really have to do anything.So id say Itachi and Kisame.
:amuse

Itachi gets speedblitzd before he can even think about using it.

Iatchi and Kisame run away as soon as they Sephiroths theme tune.

[The Sentry]

It all depends if Itachi's epic fail can possibly counter-act Kisame's pure win. Tough one, if it was Kisame alone vs the FF7 crew the winner would be clear.

This quote = TRUE FACT BELIVE IT

[The Anti-Existence]

Anti-Naruto bullshit as strong as ever on this board. I really don’t care but in this case, people are using this BS to defend FFVII. The epic fail and wrongness must be accounted for.

Sephiroth can LITERALLY take control of earth, and smash it into another planet. . .

He um, never did that. He was defeated by Cloud Strife fairly in one-on-one combat. He also needed quite a lot of preparation. Years, in fact. Plus augmenting his strength in the Northern Crater to use a magic that wasn’t his own.

So, thank you, fail again.

Sephiroth> Narutoverse with ease...

The Kyuubi along could probably annihilate him with total ease. Unless Seph gets enormous amounts of time in the Lifestream or a magic not his own, he would die to the Narutoverse quick-like.

KOTR for massive ko.

*looks at opening post* Hm. Not in there that he has that materia. And since it’s not game necessity or canon that he has it, why do we assume he has it?

FF7 Characters can actually survive underwater for a decent amount of time. Enough to be able to swim out atleast

I suppose you’re referring to the battle with Emerald Weapon, I don’t even think that thing is canon.

Reflect. Itachi and Kisame own themselves with their own jutsus.

Hm. It doesn’t say either of these two have that materia so.....yeah. They don’t.

Auto-life and elixir for the win

We’re not using battle mechanics as far as I know.

Neither of those items work in the “real” FFVII world. You don’t “die” in a battle sequence after all.

Sephiroth and Cloud speedblitz Itachi and Kisame before they can perform any of their techniques.

Cloud and Seph have good reaction speeds but neither of them are even close to being able to speedblitz anyone.

Cloud was fast enough to move his hundred+ pound sword to deflect bullets.

The sword has no specified weight and substance or details on how it was made. Completely baseless statement.

Cloud at the beginning of Advent Children took a bullet straight to his forehead and had minor bleeding as a result.

Bullet resistence is not bulletproof. Being able to take a bullet through the sunglasses is merely a testament to how stupid a movie Advent Children was.

For all you know it was the sunglasses.

They have the reflexes to react to bullets

And Naruto ninjas don’t?

Stop and omnislash can end this in an instant.

Nothing says he has the Stop materia and you need time to build up Limits.

Itachi gets speedblitzd before he can even think about using it

When did EITHER of Itachi’s opponents speedblitz anyone? Or demonstrate the combat speed necessary for it?

Iatchi and Kisame run away as soon as they Sephiroths theme tune.

Itachi fought Orochimaru so I assume he heard his tune. Orochimaru’s theme is not only better overall then Sephiroth’s, it’s far creepier.

So, in the end, I don’t care for any of these pople and if they all die, I’m happy.

[Sena Kobayakawa]

I think team FF wins.

[Rated R Superstar]

I know i'm going to get a lot of heat for this comment im about to make, but whatever, i'll say it anyway. I think some of you are underestimating team naruto. Think about the jutsu's itachi and kisame know. Think about samehade. Think about amaterasu. Tsukyomi for christ sake. I've played ff7, and i know all about it. And i do think team ff would win, i dont think it would be as easy as some people are saying.

[Ankoku15]

Actually Sephiroth is the reason the fight would just be a slaughterhouse. Cloud can beat him because he is a weird anti-sephiroth freak that goes beserk and doesn't stop after he gets run through and lifted off the ground!
If your looking at game OR advent children it doesn't matter because they are the same thing... The numbers and such in the rpg represent the damage taken during the battles. The way the battles actually progress is shown to you in advent children (although not much materia is used)
Sephiroth is basically invulnerable in melee combat and he has mastered materia and a pretty large mana pool. Sephiroth can also teleport and fly if you remember the game. Also, the whole black materia thing that lets him combine with the planet by crashing another planet into it is a pretty serious trump card.

[kamahl13]

cloud's KOTR owns itachi+kisame....
sephiroth can just sit back..
:oh

[SHM]

Sephiroth immobilize and lift them in the air, and crush their bodies. All that with only his telekinesis.

Next.

[Terryc250]

It all depends if Itachi's epic fail can possibly counter-act Kisame's pure win. Tough one, if it was Kisame alone vs the FF7 crew the winner would be clear.

.. huh?

Sephiroth was capable of destroying the planet, heck one of his summons, destroyed the solar system.

[Crimson King]

I dont think anyone is more evil than Itachi.

You've never met the former Aka no Ou :)

[The Anti-Existence]

Sephiroth immobilize and lift them in the air, and crush their bodies. All that with only his telekinesis.

Shame he can't do that. He, in fact, NEVER did it.

So, thanks for failing.

[Keollyn]

And Naruto ninjas don’t?




No, no they do not.

[The Anti-Existence]

According to multiple sources, kakashi cut a bolt of lightning before it hit the ground...

So...yeah.

[SHM]

Shame he can't do that. He, in fact, NEVER did it.

So, thanks for failing.

Play FFVII again kid.

[The Anti-Existence]

A. Don't call me a kid. Age is irrelevant.


B. If you are speaking of the part with him before the final boss battle, he never came remotely close to "crushing" anyone. He lifted them into the air but then they proceeded to kick his ass. That's not "crushing" to you, is it?

[Crimson Dragoon]

LOL at Sephiroth having Force Crush.

[Keollyn]

According to multiple sources, kakashi cut a bolt of lightning before it hit the ground...

So...yeah.

According to multiple sources, we call that a "hyperbole"

So no, no they don't.

[The Anti-Existence]

No offense but I call what fans think "irrelevant" and what is canonically stated "fact."

Not anything against you all but I'll take what is flatly stated over what random people on the internet think.

[SHM]

Sephiroth use his telekinesis to immobilize and kill them(made Avalanche scream in pain and destroyed the top of the Shinra building, only with that), he turns intangible and kill them with magic, etc, etc, and etc. Exist many ways he can win.

Sephiroth can solo the Naruteverse alone. Nomura and Kitase said nothing in FFVII can surpass him, nothing is above him.
He is in the same level of Omega Weapon.

This fight is a giant curbstomp.

[Keollyn]

No offense but I call what fans think "irrelevant" and what is canonically stated "fact."

Not anything against you all but I'll take what is flatly stated over what random people on the internet think.

Because thrown kunais have a velocity of 3000 miles per second and higher?

[Crimson Dragoon]

Sephiroth use his telekinesis to immobilize and kill them(made Avalanche scream in pain and destroyed the top of the Shinra building, only with that), he turns intangible and kill them with magic, etc, etc, and etc. Exist many ways he can win.

Sephiroth can solo the Naruteverse alone. Nomura and Kitase said nothing in FFVII can surpass him, nothing is above him.
He is in the same level of Omega Weapon.

This fight is a giant curbstomp.

Wow, Sephiroth is an incompetent douchebag. With that much power, don't you think he would've gotten rid of that pesky little group? Either that, or he doesn't have as much power as you're saying.

He still wins this, though. He's demonstrated reflexes and speed superior to Narutoverse ninjas.

[The Anti-Existence]

Because thrown kunais have a velocity of 3000 miles per second and higher?

No one is talkign about kunais. We're talking about what they flatly said Kakashi can do.

Sephiroth use his telekinesis to immobilize and kill them(made Avalanche scream in pain and destroyed the top of the Shinra building, only with that)

Avalanche, after "screaming in pain", kicked his ass. he couldn't hold them at all as soon as they didn't want him to.

he turns intangible and kill them with magic

The only time I can remember Seph going intangible was when it was Jenova in his likeness. Jenova is very different from Sephiroth.

Sephiroth can solo the Naruteverse alone.

lol Forget the people who can freeze him with a look. Or the people who can encase him in sand which he most certainly could not escape unless you want to present physical feats saying otherwise. Or the giant demons....

Nomura and Kitase said nothing in FFVII can surpass him, nothing is above him.

Forget the fact he has been beaten around..3 times now.

But yeah.

You fail

He is in the same level of Omega Weapon.

And of course, Omega Weapon could resist genjutsu, right? Mental defense feats for it?

Hm. Say for Sephiroth. No mental defense feats. So, guess he's doomed.


He still wins this, though. He's demonstrated reflexes and speed superior to Narutoverse ninjas.

*cough* Rock Lee *cough*

[SteelJack]

If we're using jplaya's Itachi, he solos this because Cloud and Sephy don't have Sharigans and aren't Vegeta. The can(n)on has spoken.

[The Anti-Existence]

That's fully logical as far as I can see. These people are not sporting mental defenses or willpower like The Hulk. Cloud is hardly a poster child for mental defense and power.

One look into Itachi's eyes and he's doomed.

[Keollyn]

No one is talkign about kunais. We're talking about what they flatly said Kakashi can do.

No one was talking about lightning either, but it was brought up.

Simply... Kakashi's stated (not shown) lightning cutting feat is hyperbole... epsecially when slower things tagged him.

And what does it matter? That's ONLY Kakashi. You saying Naruto nin can react to bullets when Kakashi isn't every Naruto ninja.

[Ion]

Supernova.

gg, Itachi and Kisame.....

[Keollyn]

One look into Itachi's eyes and he's doomed.

Is this when he looks at Itachi's decapitated head lying on the ground?

Speed advantage kills.

[SHM]

Wow, Sephiroth is an incompetent douchebag. With that much power, don't you think he would've gotten rid of that pesky little group? Either that, or he doesn't have as much power as you're saying.

He didn't want to kill Cloud instantly, but to make him suffer. Then he played with Cloud. Sephiroth wasn't using his full power.

He still wins this, though. He's demonstrated reflexes and speed superior to Narutoverse ninjas.

He is one of the many fictional characters who can solo the Narutoverse.

[The Anti-Existence]

Is this when he looks at Itachi's decapitated head lying on the ground?

Speed advantage kills.

Speed is not the bigin-al and end-all to fights. That's why CBR fails. If a character is not inclined to start a fight with a speedy attack, then it's irrelevant. Cloud, as neither a villain nor an anti-heroic and proned to violence person, will not charge at Itachi and aim to cut off his head. He will not "unleash" upon him with all the speed he possesses.

Cloud has zero knowledge of the Sharingan. He has no reason not to look at Itachi's face and into his eyes.

Characters should fight like they are shown to fight. And Cloud doesn't fight like you are saying.

Sephiroth, perhaps. But we've seen him multiple times fail because he does not go "all-out". He doesn't start off a fight with an intent to kill but fights with arrogance and thus is bested again and again. So, there's no reason to think he won't do the exact same thing here.

He is one of the many fictional characters who can solo the Narutoverse.

Not at all. Except on a board where Kakashi is stomped by Spiderman. Which, as I've said, is not a sentiment felt by anyone not on this site. Shows just how narrow-minded most of you are.

Sephiroth, minus years of preptime and additional power-ups, dies HORRIBLy if he tried to solo everyone in Naruto.

[Ion]

Speed is not the bigin-al and end-all to fights. That's why CBR fails. If a character is not inclined to start a fight with a speedy attack, then it's irrelevant. Cloud, as neither a villain nor an anti-heroic and proned to violence person, will not charge at Itachi and aim to cut off his head. He will not "unleash" upon him with all the speed he possesses.

Cloud has zero knowledge of the Sharingan. He has no reason not to look at Itachi's face and into his eyes.

Characters should fight like they are shown to fight. And Cloud doesn't fight like you are saying.Cloud tried killing Sephiroth right from when he started to manifest from Kadaj's body.

He also chased down and attacked Loz and Yazoo in the speediest manner possible while they were running away on their bikes.

He also speed blitzed Kadaj, while they were riding on bikes, and attempted to catch Kadaj from behind and above him.

He also blitzed and attacked Bahamut SIN as soon as he arrived at the battle site.

He also raced to the Kadaj's hideout in the Forgotten Forest with the clear intent to kill him and his gang.

He also attacked Sephiroth as soon as he got his hands on the Buster Sword in the original FF7.

Cloud does indeed speed blitz.

[Keollyn]

And it's not like bloodlust isn't on unless stated otherwise.

[Ion]

Keep in mind that Cloud, before FF7 started, was a mercenary. He was paid to kill people.

He spent most of FF7 just thinking about revenge, and cared for little else until you were well into the game's story.

Don't lump him in with the typical "I have to save the world!" and "I fight for my precious people!" type.

Also, to reiterate...Cloud tried killing Sephiroth right from when he started to manifest from Kadaj's body.

He also chased down and attacked Loz and Yazoo in the speediest manner possible while they were running away on their bikes.

He also speed blitzed Kadaj, while they were riding on bikes, and attempted to catch Kadaj from behind and above him.

He also blitzed and attacked Bahamut SIN as soon as he arrived at the battle site.

He also raced to the Kadaj's hideout in the Forgotten Forest with the clear intent to kill him and his gang.

He also attacked Sephiroth as soon as he got his hands on the Buster Sword in the original FF7.

Cloud does indeed speed blitz.

[Blitzomaru]

Can't believe this has gone on this far. You guys are forgetting that both Sephiroth and Cloud have materia. Master magic/elemental on an armor completely negates or absorbs all elemental jutsus. Another master magic/added effect + a ribbon accessory nulifies all status ailments such as confuse, berserk, death, slow, sleep, silence, etc. (genjutsu). Ad final attack/pheonix keeps them in the fight till they run out of MP. But HP abosrb fixes that problem. And choco/mug can take out the entire akasuti.

[Ion]

IMO, I don't even think that these two need materia.

Shit, give them both a mastered Haste and/or Double Cut, and their victory is almost guaranteed.

Without it, they still have a fantastic chance of taking this, and quite easily.

[SHM]

Sephiroth don't need Materia to cast magic. The source of magic/Materia is the Lifestream. He was absorbing it in FFVII. And he used magic in the final battle without any Materia.

[The Anti-Existence]

Cloud tried killing Sephiroth right from when he started to manifest from Kadaj's body.

That's kinda Cloud's most hated enemy. A being who could hardly care about being dead.

He also chased down and attacked Loz and Yazoo in the speediest manner possible while they were running away on their bikes.

I can't recall exactly but hadn't they already shot him? And attakced his friends?



[quote]Cloud does indeed speed blitz.

I never said he didn't...but okay.

Keep in mind that Cloud, before FF7 started, was a mercenary. He was paid to kill people.

Um...no? He was a very weak no-talent grunt in the Shinra military. Zack saved his ass and took them to be mercenaries. This never came about, however, and Cloud just used his fragmented mind and the Jenova Cells to come up with this lie. Far as I know, there's no proof he was ever a mercenary for anyone except Avalanche at the beginning.

He spent most of FF7 just thinking about revenge, and cared for little else until you were well into the game's story.

He was beign compelled to come to the Crater by Sephiroth.

Don't lump him in with the typical "I have to save the world!" and "I fight for my precious people!" type.

Uh-huh. Because Cloud didn't fight Sephiroth for Aeris or Tifa?

As for ^ and ^^, there is NO MENTION OF MATERIA IN THE OPENING POST.

So, why are you saying they have this and they have that?

Finally, Cloud won't attack Itachi right off in a speedblitz and murderous rage. He has no reason to. Itachi is a calm and alculating opponent who won't attack Cloud off the bat and give Cloud provocation. All he has to do is LOOK at Cloud. Cloud has NO reason to be suspicious of this.

[The Anti-Existence]

Sephiroth don't need Materia to cast magic. The source of magic/Materia is the Lifestream. He was absorbing it in FFVII. And he used magic in the final battle without any Materia.

Except...no one said this is the FF7 Seph. Most recent version of him is AC.

[SteelJack]

Why do I get the feeling that SHM will say that AC Sephiroth is stronger than FF7 Sephiroth because he is a god in that form because Square-Enix said so? Anyways, Itachi and Kisame lose. Hard.

[Ion]

That's kinda Cloud's most hated enemy. A being who could hardly care about being dead.But Yazoo, Loz, and Kadaj weren't his most hated enemies....

I can't recall exactly but hadn't they already shot him? And attakced his friends?And?

He attacked them all in the speediest manner possible. It also wasn't blind rage that fueled his attacks at all, as one would expect from someone who fights with their emotions, but cold determination.

I never said he didn't...but okay.
Cloud, as neither a villain nor an anti-heroic and proned to violence person, will not charge at Itachi and aim to cut off his head. He will not "unleash" upon him with all the speed he possesses.

Your own words... yet all of the events in-game and in AC say otherwise.

Um...no? He was a very weak no-talent grunt in the Shinra military. Zack saved his ass and took them to be mercenaries. This never came about, however, and Cloud just used his fragmented mind and the Jenova Cells to come up with this lie.I wasn't talking about this time period at all, even though he later proved to be quite powerful and SOLDIER's loss......

Far as I know, there's no proof he was ever a mercenary for anyone except Avalanche at the beginning.....but this one.

And why is him being a mercenary before joining Avalanche so hard to believe?

Uh-huh. Because Cloud didn't fight Sephiroth for Aeris or Tifa?Of course, but vengeance is a trait of someone who isn't as morally pure as the person you were implying Cloud to be....

Cloud, as neither a villain nor an anti-heroic and proned to violence person
As for ^ and ^^, there is NO MENTION OF MATERIA IN THE OPENING POST.

So, why are you saying they have this and they have that?That doesn't mean that it's not allowed....

We assume that they can use anything at their disposal unless otherwise stated by the OP.
Finally, Cloud won't attack Itachi right off in a speedblitz and murderous rage. He has no reason to. Itachi is a calm and alculating opponent who won't attack Cloud off the bat and give Cloud provocation. All he has to do is LOOK at Cloud. Cloud has NO reason to be suspicious of this.And, Cloud, being the swordsman that he is, would conceivably blitz him with his sword, him being a close range fighter and all.

Also, if you want to go the "usual tendencies in battle" route, keep in mind that Itachi has yet to actually start off with a Mangekyou Sharingan technique right from the start of any of his fights. That would spell doom for him in this situation.

Cold and calculating indeed.

[The Anti-Existence]

But Yazoo, Loz, and Kadaj weren't his most hated enemies....

They only had tried to kill him and his friends....

Your own words... yet all of the events in-game and in AC say otherwise.

My words are that he wouldn't speedlitz. Not that he couldn't which is what you said.

All of the evidence in AC tell us Cloud would blitz people who have actively tried to kill him and his friends.

And why is him being a mercenary before joining Avalanche so hard to believe?

Because when Tifa found Cloud, he was a broken and weak wreck in the Train Yard.

Can you provide any evidence Tifa let him b ea mercenary for anyone after this except Avalanche?

We assume that they can use anything at their disposal unless otherwise stated by the OP.

Where is that said?

And, Cloud, being the swordsman that he is, would conceivably blitz him with his sword, him being a close range fighter and all.

So Cloud has come over with an unreasonable murderous intent? Cloud is more likely to attack his own partner.

[SHM]

Why do I get the feeling that SHM will say that AC Sephiroth is stronger than FF7 Sephiroth because he is a god in that form because Square-Enix said so?

Because the creators of the game know more about it than us. But if you want to argue against them and make yourself look like a fool... Go on. It will be funny.



I don't want to offend the OP, but this is a bad thread. The characters of any FF game are in a completely different level of the characters in Naruto.

I repeat, this is a giant curbstomp. Cloud wins alone, adding Sephiroth is overkill. Not only to Itachi and Kisame, but to the entire world of Naruto. Naruto's planet will become the new vessel of Sephiroth to travell the universe.

[SteelJack]

I'm not arguing against them (Them being the creators, I've learned that lesson). I've just got a feeling of deja vu, that's all. Anyways, even if Cloud and Seph do kill Itachi and Kisame, they're no match for Authorwank Sasuke if Kishimono is writing the fight. Regular Sasuke gets killed. I apologize for the off-topicness by adding Sasuke, but you know it's true.

[Ion]

Been talking about Cloud so much, I should probably reiterate that Sephiroth also has Supernova..... gg Naruto chars.....They only had tried to kill him and his friends....They hadn't tried to kill him or his friends at all, actually.

They were toying with him the first time when they ambushed him. He was more confused than anything. That didn't stop him from attempting to blitz them later on.

And he had just gotten to the battlefield against Bahamut SIN before trying to dispatch it as quickly as possible as well. He had no emotional ties to it at all.

It was just another obstacle in the way, which he swiftly cut down.

My words are that he wouldn't speedlitz. Not that he couldn't which is what you said.And why wouldn't he?

He's in the Battledome and is expected to fight Itachi and Kisame to the death, so what conceivable reason would he have for not wanting to finish the fight as quickly as possible?

Because when Tifa found Cloud, he was a broken and weak wreck in the Train Yard.Ah, true.

Where is that said?This is a general assumption that pretty much every experienced OB poster makes.

Unless stated otherwise, all combatants can use anything they have shown to have at their disposal.

How long have you been posting in here?

So Cloud has come over with an unreasonable murderous intent? Cloud is more likely to attack his own partner.I have a question, why are you bringing plot elements into this battle in the first place?

I also notice that when I turned the tables on you, my point of Itachi never starting out fights with a Mangekyou Sharingan technique, which is what you were suggesting he would do here, was ignored.

[The Anti-Existence]

Been talking about Cloud so much, I should probably reiterate that Sephiroth also has Supernova..... gg Naruto chars.....

A. not a real techniques. Completely false and does nothing.
B. No one said this was Safer Sephiroth.

They hadn't tried to kill him or his friends at all, actually.

So...shooting him is just a friendly hello.

And he had just gotten to the battlefield against Bahamut SIN before trying to dispatch it as quickly as possible as well. He had no emotional ties to it at all.

What? It's a giant monster.What else are you gonna do to it?

And why wouldn't he?

He's in the Battledome and is expected to fight Itachi and Kisame to the death, so what conceivable reason would he have for not wanting to finish the fight as quickly as possible?

Where is it said? This isn't listed as a bloodlust fight and where are the rules saying all fights are to the death?

How long have you been posting in here?

A long time now. And there is still no rules as far as I see. People take it on themselves to say what the rules are.

have a question, why are you bringing plot elements into this battle in the first place?

Because a character's character is just as important as a character's abilities.

also notice that when I turned the tables on you, my point of Itachi never starting out fights with a Mangekyou Sharingan technique, which is what you were suggesting he would do here, was ignored.

He does have other abilities he can do with his Sharingan.

[Ion]

A. not a real techniques. Completely false and does nothing.LOL

B. No one said this was Safer Sephiroth.Unless otherwise stated, they can use whatever they've previously shown at their disposal.

So...shooting him is just a friendly hello.They damn sure weren't actually trying to kill him.

Also, like I stated before, he hardly transformed into a raving, blood lusted lunatic at the sight of them. He still blitzed them in a cold and determined manner later on.

What? It's a giant monster.What else are you gonna do to it?Exactly.

It was a threat, so he attacked that threat.

What do you think he would do to Itachi and Kisame?

Where is it said? This isn't listed as a bloodlust fight and where are the rules saying all fights are to the death?

A long time now. And there is still no rules as far as I see. People take it on themselves to say what the rules are.They're unwritten rules that pretty much everyone goes by.

Unless otherwise stated by the OP, every fight is to the death, and every combatant is allowed to use whatever they have previously shown at their disposal.

Because a character's character is just as important as a character's abilities.Incorrect.

If we brought plot influences into every battle, that would hurt your case, since Itachi = antagonist = destined to lose, while Cloud = protagonist = destined to win.

Also, plot influences would make this battle impossible, since Cloud would sooner attack Sephiroth than the two shinobi.

Thus...... plot = has no bearing on this, or any battle.

And bringing up tendencies in battle only hurts your case, since Itachi's "cold and calculating nature" = standing there staring at his opponent, maybe throwing a couple of kunai, or running when the heat gets to be too much.

He does have other abilities he can do with his Sharingan.Like what?

Slow kunai that Cloud and Sephiroth could easily avoid or block? Or maybe katons, not unlike the fire attack that Bahamut SIN engulfed Cloud in, that he would easily be able to withstand?

[The Anti-Existence]

LOL

Indeed it is lol worthy to think Sephiroth can do anything close to destroying a solar system. Glad we agree.

They damn sure weren't actually trying to kill him.

Also, like I stated before, he hardly transformed into a raving, blood lusted lunatic at the sight of them. He still blitzed them in a cold and determined manner later on.

Because one of them had just shot him and he was in an already less-than-good mental state.

Exactly.

It was a threat, so he attacked that threat.

What do you think he would do to Itachi and Kisame?


Kisame is an idiot so I don't know.

But Itachi?

Personally, just going off basic intelligence and reasoning skills, if I had no knowledge of either Itachi or Bahamut, i would judge the huge monster more of a threat as opposed to a man who is not exactly gonna start off with a provocation of attack. Itachi thinks more clearly than that from what I've seen. he won't charge in with a roar.

They're unwritten rulesthat pretty much everyone goes by.

Unless otherwise stated by the OP, every fight is to the death, and every combatant is allowed to use whatever they have previously shown at their disposal.

So, they're not worth more than a pile of dog crap. They are the rules you can go by but I don't exactly care.

If we brought plot influences into every battle, that would hurt your case, since Itachi = antagonist = destined to lose, while Cloud = protagonist = destined to win.

That's plot necessity, not a character's individual personality. I am not talking of good conquering evil according to the storyline. i'm talking of judging how a character will fight. If a character is mentally retarded or someone who refuses to fight no matter the circumstance, it doesn't matter what they can do. Unless you want them to act in a way they were never shown which defeats the whole point of debating their powers and what they can do.

And bringing up tendencies in battle only hurts your case, since Itachi's "cold and calculating nature" = standing there staring at his opponent, maybe throwing a couple of kunai, or running when the heat gets to be too much.

It works totally in my favor as you have NO evidence Cloud would attack someone who shows absolutely zero threat to him. You try to make up lame-ass comparisons by pointing out how Cloud attacked people whO SHOT him. Or a giant beast. This is faulty on cosmic levels and as wrong as the suggestion Seph can destroy solar systems.

[Art of Run]

Kisame spits a river at them and they drown.

Anyway, this is rape, seriously. Unless Cloud and Spehy stand still for the first 5 seconds of the match and allow Itachi to mind rape them, I would say it's over. If not, Baibai Itachi and Kisame.

[The Anti-Existence]

Can't Kisame do something with a tsunami? Or does he need water for that?

Just wondering.

[Ion]

Indeed it is lol worthy to think Sephiroth can do anything close to destroying a solar system. Glad we agree.Yet it occurred.

Sephiroth almost destroyed the FF7 version of Earth, yet it's so hard to believe that he could also take out a few other planets? :huh

Also, the OP never outlawed the use of Safer Sephiroth, so.....

Kisame is an idiot so I don't know.

But Itachi?

Personally, just going off basic intelligence and reasoning skills, if I had no knowledge of either Itachi or Bahamut, i would judge the huge monster more of a threat as opposed to a man who is not exactly gonna start off with a provocation of attack. Itachi thinks more clearly than that from what I've seen. he won't charge in with a roar.....what?

Itachi not charging in and trying to attack Cloud or Sephiroth would in fact be his downfall. There's no way that he could keep up with either as soon as they get going.

And explain to me how Kisame is an idiot?

So, they're not worth more than a pile of dog crap. They are the rules you can go by but I don't exactly care.Then you would be the only long-time OBD member that knew what they were and yet refused to acknowledge them.

Hmmm....

That's plot necessity, not a character's individual personality. I am not talking of good conquering evil according to the storyline. i'm talking of judging how a character will fight. If a character is mentally retarded or someone who refuses to fight no matter the circumstance, it doesn't matter what they can do. Unless you want them to act in a way they were never shown which defeats the whole point of debating their powers and what they can do.As it's pointed out in my point directly below this, what you are talking about is indeed steeped in plot influences.

It works totally in my favor as you have NO evidence Cloud would attack someone who shows absolutely zero threat to him. You try to make up lame-ass comparisons by pointing out how Cloud attacked people whO SHOT him. Or a giant beast. This is faulty on cosmic levels and as wrong as the suggestion Seph can destroy solar systems.Zero threat?

He's in the Battledome squaring off against two other combatants. Why would he not consider them threats again?

And you are the one still bringing plot influences in here, since just because Cloud or Sephiroth have never actually seen Itachi and Kisame before, it doesn't mean that they won't attack them right from the start. You are assuming that they need a reason to fight, which makes no logical sense, considering the very nature of the Battledome.

If they needed a reason to fight, then that would mean that plot would indeed be a factor, which would mean that Cloud and Sephiroth would likely ignore Kisame and Itachi altogether, and instead focus on only fighting each other.

[The Anti-Existence]

Sephiroth almost destroyed the FF7 version of Earth, yet it's so hard to believe that he could also take out a few other planets?

Sephiroth had to travel to Northern Crater to use the Planet's energy. He then used magic, not his own, to summon a big rock that took 7 days to arrive. Yet, in what we saw, he can blast planets apart in seconds.

So...doesn't really work.

Itachi not charging in and trying to attack Cloud or Sephiroth would in fact be his downfall. There's no way that he could keep up with either as soon as they get going.

Why would Cloud keep going? You still have yet to explain that.

And explain to me how Kisame is an idiot?

He seemed less-than-intelligent in what I've seen. itachi had to rebuff him over and over. Kisame wanted to take on all of Konoha basically. Picking fights like a bully.

Then you would be the only long-time OBD member that knew what they were and yet refused to acknowledge them.

I can choose to follow whatever rules I like if they're not in opposition to the official board ones.

And you are the one still bringing plot influences in here, since just because Cloud or Sephiroth have never actually seen Itachi and Kisame before, it doesn't mean that they won't attack them right from the start. You are assuming that they need a reason to fight, which makes no logical sense, considering the very nature of the Battledome.

The nature of the Battledome is to assume the characters are fighting. I never said Cloud would stand there like a lump. I said he would not take the first violent and speedy action against an enemy he has no quarrel with.

[auron55]

seph, cuts out itachis eyes, and cloud goes omni strike on kisame. this is pretty clear......

[Darklyre]

I can choose to follow whatever rules I like if they're not in opposition to the official board ones.


You do realize, of course, that that means everyone can follow THEIR own rules, right? If you're not the OP, you follow the OP's rules. If the OP does not state their own rules, everyone goes by OBD convention. If you choose not to, then don't blame us for ridiculing your arguments.

[The Anti-Existence]

That's fine.

I'll just respond by pointing out you are assuming with zero basis that they have X ability.

Pardon me if I think it's ludicrous to give Cloud spells that he doesn't have to have or anything just because you want him to have them.