Jiraiya's students vs Orochimaru's and Tsunade's

[kannoos]

Yondaime
Naruto (no Kyuubi)

vs.

Sasuke (has CS2)
Kabuto
Shizune
Anko
Kimmimaro
Sakura
Ino (lol)

[Kai]

Gamabunta comes out to play.

[kannoos]

Boss summons aren't invincible, you know. I bet curent Sasuke could probably hold his own and Kabuto could summon that 3-headed snake (Manda would just eat him if Kabuto tried to summon him lol) to help, although they'd probably still lose. Do you think it would be fairer if summons were banned for this match?

[Lord Snow]

Jirayia`s students takes this. Yondaime performs Hirashin and kills:
Kabuto
Shizune
Anko
Kimmimaro
Sakura
Ino

Sasuke might be lucky enough to survive but then he would be overpowered by the combined might of Naruto,Kakashi and Yondaime.

[narutofangd]

Sasuke (has CS2)
Kabuto
Shizune
Anko
Kimmimaro
Sakura
Ino (lol) When did Ino train with Tsunade

Kakashi takes out Kimmi or atleast keeps him busy

Naruto vs Sasuke

Yondaime takes out Kabuto, shizune , Anko Sakura and Ino easily

Yondaime & Naruto > Sasuke

Yondaime & Naruto & Kakashi defeat Kimmi

Mikito Uchiha & Mystery Saurtobi make guest appearence

[Pimp of Pimps]

Yondaime


Seriously, it's obvious.

[Canute87]

One of Jiraiya's students is a hokage.

Having Yondaime in that group pretty much makes the whole team win.

[Spencer_Gator]

um Yondaime could take out almost all of them anyway..so I mean having Naruto and Kakashi just makes it unfair..

[Silent Tatsumaru]

lol, even without Kakashi, Yondaime plus Naruto. That's enough to win right there. Hell, Yondaime may be able to take them all on himself. Though that'd be with some degree of difficulty (provided they don't all get OHKO'd by Hiraishin). Add Naruto and it's in the bag, and with Kakashi a breeze.

[kannoos]

So it's a complete mismatch? Sorry.
Yondaime can't just do hiraishin and kill everyone at the start though, because he has to have seals placed wherever he wants to teleport. So he would have to either engage his opponents in taijutsu and place seals on them when he touches them, or throw kunais and hope they don't move away (the kunai tactic works best against large numbers - fairly small groups like this can easily avoid them). And Ino trained under Tsunade as a medic, didn't she (with Sakura as her senpai lol)?

I've edited out Kakashi and Naruto can't use the Kyuubi anymore, so who wins now?

[Tmb04]

So it's a complete mismatch? Sorry.
Yondaime can't just do hiraishin and kill everyone at the start though, because he has to have seals placed wherever he wants to teleport. So he would have to either engage his opponents in taijutsu and place seals on them when he touches them, or throw kunais and hope they don't move away (the kunai tactic works best against large numbers - fairly small groups like this can easily avoid them). And Ino trained under Tsunade as a medic, didn't she (with Sakura as her senpai lol)?

I've edited out Kakashi and Naruto can't use the Kyuubi anymore, so who wins now?

Sasuke pwns Naruto alone than Him and the rest will eventually tire Yondaime out and Finish him off

[variousart]

Yondaime on his own I think. He teleports himself behind opponent back and eliminates him/her.

[Woozie]

Oro and Tsunade's students win this with some difficulty.

Sasuke and Kabuto > Yondaime, the rest are well enough to take down Naruto.

Maybe if you removed Kimi they might lose.

[Tmb04]

Oro and Tsunade's students win this with some difficulty.

Sasuke and Kabuto > Yondaime, the rest are well enough to take down Naruto.

Maybe if you removed Kimi they might lose.

Quoted for the truth. You people need to stop Overestimating Yondaime and stop underestimating Sasuke...:notrust

[kannoos]

Sasuke and Kabuto > Yondaime

What evidence is there to suggest this? Kabuto is only elite jounin ("on Kakashi's level" pre-skip, I doubt he improved ridiculously over the timeskip) level and we don't know how strong Sasuke is, but he doesn't have any feats that put him on Yondaime's level. I agree with the rest of your post though.

[Tmb04]

[QUOTE=Woozie;8609205]Sasuke and Kabuto > YondaimeQUOTE]

What evidence is there to suggest this? Kabuto is only elite jounin ("on Kakashi's level" pre-skip, I doubt he improved ridiculously over the timeskip) level and we don't know how strong Sasuke is, but he doesn't have any feats that put him on Yondaime's level. I agree with the rest of your post though.

So what would you say about CS2 Sasuke? Or what would you say if Sasuke dominates Itachi when they fight?

[kannoos]

Do you actually think that Sasuke will dominate Itachi? I think he'll probably put up a fight but lose, or he might just barely win, but him being that godlike would be retarded. CS2 Sasuke is probably healthy Orochimaru level at best, I think, and Kabuto won't make much of a difference against Yondaime.

[Woozie]

What evidence is there to suggest this? Kabuto is only elite jounin ("on Kakashi's level" pre-skip, I doubt he improved ridiculously over the timeskip) level and we don't know how strong Sasuke is, but he doesn't have any feats that put him on Yondaime's level. I agree with the rest of your post though.

Well Sasuke defeated sick Orochimaru rather easily. Healthy Orochimaru was about equal to Yondaime 12 years ago, and naturally he would be stronger now if he would be at 100% health.

Yondaime defeated 50 ninja with help of several other Konoha shinobi...Sasuke defeated ~1000 shinobi alone.

Really, we should be asking what is there to put Yondaime on Sasuke's level.

And saying Kabuto is a non-factor is simply retarded. A ninja of Kakashi level should survive a minute or so against a ninja from the strongest tiers, just like Kakashi survived against Itachi, and Kabuto is #2 or #1 medic ninja in Narutoverse on top of that.

[kannoos]

So you're saying that Sasuke has already become (one of?) the greatest shinobi of all time? There's nothing to disprove that, but I don't think him being stronger than Yondaime is very likely. Sick Orochimaru was much weaker than healthy Orochimaru (could he even do jutsu that required handseals? I forget. Anyway, Sasuke obviously had a huge advantage in the "mental" battle because of his sharingan, but that doesn't mean he could have beaten a healthy Orochimaru in a physical fight with Oro actually trying to kill instead of possess). We don't know how much stronger Yondaime was than Orochimaru anyway, so this discussion is a bit pointless. :P

[Tmb04]

Plus you have to take in the fact that Yondaime is World famous, and so is Hirashin. All of Orochimaru's Students and Tsunade's students are rather smart and i'm sure they know of the Hirashin and it's dangers. They would have a counter plan to stop Yondaime's Hirashin. It's not an unstoppable move...

[Spencer_Gator]

Yondaime > Sasuke as of right now..but by the end Sasuke and Naruto will have passed him.

[narutofangd]

Well Sasuke defeated sick Orochimaru rather easily. Healthy Orochimaru was about equal to Yondaime 12 years ago, and naturally he would be stronger now if he would be at 100% health.

Yondaime defeated 50 ninja with help of several other Konoha shinobi...Sasuke defeated ~1000 shinobi alone.

Really, we should be asking what is there to put Yondaime on Sasuke's level.

And saying Kabuto is a non-factor is simply retarded. A ninja of Kakashi level should survive a minute or so against a ninja from the strongest tiers, just like Kakashi survived against Itachi, and Kabuto is #2 or #1 medic ninja in Narutoverse on top of that.

Haha Sasuke has created a A-rank Raiton sword and you beleive that he is stronger than the Yonaime Lol

Healthy oro was equal to Yondaime that's just your warped Fanboyism there is no Evidence of that in the Manga

50 Rock Ninja > 1000 nameless Fodder ninja

[Woozie]

So you're saying that Sasuke has already become (one of?) the greatest shinobi of all time? There's nothing to disprove that, but I don't think him being stronger than Yondaime is very likely. Sick Orochimaru was much weaker than healthy Orochimaru (could he even do jutsu that required handseals? I forget. Anyway, Sasuke obviously had a huge advantage in the "mental" battle because of his sharingan, but that doesn't mean he could have beaten a healthy Orochimaru in a physical fight with Oro actually trying to kill instead of possess).

Being the greatest has very little to do with strength.

And I didn't say Sasuke would be on par with Yondaime. I said that I think he would beat him with Kabuto.

We don't know how much stronger Yondaime was than Orochimaru anyway, so this discussion is a bit pointless. :P

Which IMO is why Yondaime shouldn't be included in battledome matchups.

Healthy oro was equal to Yondaime that's just your warped Fanboyism there is no Evidence of that in the Manga

There's no evidence Yondaime would be equal or stronger than Orochimaru either.

They were rivals for the fourth Hokage position, so I assume they were of about equal strength at that time.

50 Rock Ninja > 1000 nameless Fodder ninja

These 50 ninja were also nameless fodder ninja.

[Sharinganmaster29]

naruto holds sasuke while yondy pwns rest

[materpillar]

These 50 ninja were also nameless fodder ninja. not all of them were nameless...and i bet 10 rock ninja > 1000 sound ninja...im surprised oro even has 1000 ninja...come to think of it does it even say they're all ninja?

[durtycheese]

all naruto needs to do is beat up kabuto again lmao. and yondimaine owns the rest like little girls. its a joke to put a bunch of kids against konohas greatest ninja, yondaime.

[durtycheese]

Yondaime defeated 50 ninja with help of several other Konoha shinobi...Sasuke defeated ~1000 shinobi alone.

Really, we should be asking what is there to put Yondaime on Sasuke's level.



i cant believe you are comparing yondaime to sasuke lmao. you are like the gayest fanboy ever, take sasuke's little winky out of your mouth.

[eDyH]

i cant believe you are comparing yondaime to sasuke lmao. you are like the gayest fanboy ever, take sasuke's little winky out of your mouth.

He said that killing 1000 fodder ninjas was a greater feat then killing 50 fodder ninjas... and he's right. Saying that the rock fodder was superior to the sound fodder because Yondaime beat one and Sasuke beat the other is both fanboyism and unfounded bullshit.

This thread's existence in itself is a comparison of Sasuke and Yondaime. What is the primary tool to use when comparing two characters in the battledome? Their feats. ATM, the only feat Yondaime has that makes him superior to Sasuke is the fact that he became Hokage. It isn't small, but it is still all he has going for him.

As for the match, Tsunade's and Oro's students win. Sasuke would utterly dominate Kyuubiless Naruto, and the rest of their team could stall Yondaime until he finished. At that point, the Yondaime is overwhelmed by numbers.

[Woozie]

not all of them were nameless...and i bet 10 rock ninja > 1000 sound ninja...im surprised oro even has 1000 ninja...come to think of it does it even say they're all ninja?

They were all shinobi, the sidetext said so much. We don't really know if they were Orochimaru's either.

And like edyh said 1000 fodder ninja are always > 50 fodder ninja.

[TWF]

Yondaime
Naruto (no Kyuubi)

vs.

Sasuke (has CS2)
Kabuto
Shizune
Anko
Kimmimaro
Sakura
Ino (lol)

Ino and Sakura die to Kabuto. And both Kabuto and Shizune will destroy Naruto without the Kyuubi's chakra. It is completely cheap to give Sasuke the Curse Seal yet not allow Naruto to use the Kyuubi's power.

Gamabunta comes out to play.

Manda eats him.

Boss summons aren't invincible, you know. I bet curent Sasuke could probably hold his own and Kabuto could summon that 3-headed snake (Manda would just eat him if Kabuto tried to summon him lol) to help, although they'd probably still lose. Do you think it would be fairer if summons were banned for this match?

The only thing that can beat a summon is a Bijuu or transformed Jinchurriki.

Jirayia`s students takes this. Yondaime performs Hirashin and kills:
Kabuto
Shizune
Anko
Kimmimaro
Sakura
Ino

Sasuke might be lucky enough to survive but then he would be overpowered by the combined might of Naruto,Kakashi and Yondaime.

Hiraishin has only killed nameless fodder ninja, so I guess Ino dies.

Sasuke (has CS2)
Kabuto
Shizune
Anko
Kimmimaro
Sakura
Ino (lol) When did Ino train with Tsunade

Kakashi takes out Kimmi or atleast keeps him busy

Naruto vs Sasuke

Yondaime takes out Kabuto, shizune , Anko Sakura and Ino easily

Yondaime & Naruto > Sasuke

Yondaime & Naruto & Kakashi defeat Kimmi

Mikito Uchiha & Mystery Saurtobi make guest appearence

No comment.

Yondaime


Seriously, it's obvious.

Yondaime is over-rated and not the God of Shinobi, that's Sandaime.

One of Jiraiya's students is a hokage.

Having Yondaime in that group pretty much makes the whole team win.

Orochimaru would've been Hokage if he wasn't evil, what's your point? Kabuto and Shizune are elite and mid-level Jounins and so is Kimimaro.

um Yondaime could take out almost all of them anyway..so I mean having Naruto and Kakashi just makes it unfair..

Kabuto can just use doton and sever his nervous system since he doesn't know how strong or skilled Kabuto is. Then he can't move, then he dies. Or the same with Shizune and her poisons since Yondaime isn't a medical ninja.

lol, even without Kakashi, Yondaime plus Naruto. That's enough to win right there. Hell, Yondaime may be able to take them all on himself. Though that'd be with some degree of difficulty (provided they don't all get OHKO'd by Hiraishin). Add Naruto and it's in the bag, and with Kakashi a breeze.

Considering where Sasuke at base stands, I severely doubt that. Kabuto also made Kakashi look like a fool and beat down the current Hokage like a dog in the heat. Kakashi shit himself infront of Orochimaru.

So it's a complete mismatch? Sorry.
Yondaime can't just do hiraishin and kill everyone at the start though, because he has to have seals placed wherever he wants to teleport. So he would have to either engage his opponents in taijutsu and place seals on them when he touches them, or throw kunais and hope they don't move away (the kunai tactic works best against large numbers - fairly small groups like this can easily avoid them). And Ino trained under Tsunade as a medic, didn't she (with Sakura as her senpai lol)?

Ino never trained under Tsunade. That scene at the end of Naruto and its fillers was just a backdrop to establish how Ino learned rudimentary medical ninjutsu.

I've edited out Kakashi and Naruto can't use the Kyuubi anymore, so who wins now?

My wit wins.

Yondaime on his own I think. He teleports himself behind opponent back and eliminates him/her.

The only time Yondaime killed a large group of ninjas was when dozens of other ninjas backed him. So no. Besides, these guys have names. They can't die to that technique.

Oro and Tsunade's students win this with some difficulty.

Yep.

Sasuke and Kabuto > Yondaime, the rest are well enough to take down Naruto.

Maybe if you removed Kimi they might lose.

Kimimaro's bones would neutralize the Rasengan and no kunai or sneak attack from Hiraishin is going to get through his armor. He'll get so bogged down fighting Kimimaro that Kabuto or Shizune could hit him with one of their medical jutsu's and completely incapacitate him and Naruto will be on his own.

[Tmb04]

^^Tell em White Fang... Hirashin isnt a 1 hit KO jutsu. It's the most overrated move in all the series... And Yondaime isnt the best... Sandaime is the God of Shinobi.... People have to quit assuming Yondaime = Automatic Win... Since he doesn't

[NU-KazeKage]

dont forget the 4th had a flee on sight order...so im saying he wins this ...you dont get that for nothing this guys could kill the whole team at the same time you cant react to that except the bone guy he would have to get death goded ...aslo lettong sasuke use his cheap power ups but not naruto and editing out kakashi...just shows how weak the others are

[yondaime 88]

ok yondaime didnt get all this hype for nothing. He was referred to as the yellow flash and was given a flee-on-sight order during a WAR. First, yondy has great battle experience unlike most of the students. He was refered to as the strongest hokage, stronger than prime 3rd who is in turn stronger than old third who held his own against a fp orochimaru and the two first hokages. Sasuke has speed that cannot match yondys and none of the jutsus we have seen so far from him could help.

Kabuto is kakashi level, he cant stand up to anything sanin or higher, and i still doubt sasuke pwns kabuto. Btw, giving CS 2 to sasuke and no kyuubi to naruto is retarded but goes to show you need severe hax to beat yondy.

[TWF]

ok yondaime didnt get all this hype for nothing. He was referred to as the yellow flash and was given a flee-on-sight order during a WAR. First, yondy has great battle experience unlike most of the students. He was refered to as the strongest hokage, stronger than prime 3rd who is in turn stronger than old third who held his own against a fp orochimaru and the two first hokages. Sasuke has speed that cannot match yondys and none of the jutsus we have seen so far from him could help.

Kabuto is kakashi level, he cant stand up to anything sanin or higher, and i still doubt sasuke pwns kabuto. Btw, giving CS 2 to sasuke and no kyuubi to naruto is retarded but goes to show you need severe hax to beat yondy.

Says the guy with Yondaime in his username. And Kabuto beat down Tsunade, a future Hokage and Sannin. So your points fail.

[yondaime 88]

lol kabuto beat down a "terrorized by blood" tsunade. Besides; tsunade is a sannin not because of fighting prowess but because of her legendary medic skills. Putting her in a fight is meaningless. Do you honestly think kabuto could do anything to any akatsuki member or orochimaru and jiraiya..?

Kabuto got owned by PTS Naruto's rasengan. He has nothing on yondaime. Just because i like the character doesnt make my arguments null.

[durtycheese]

He said that killing 1000 fodder ninjas was a greater feat then killing 50 fodder ninjas... and he's right. Saying that the rock fodder was superior to the sound fodder because Yondaime beat one and Sasuke beat the other is both fanboyism and unfounded bullshit.

This thread's existence in itself is a comparison of Sasuke and Yondaime. What is the primary tool to use when comparing two characters in the battledome? Their feats. ATM, the only feat Yondaime has that makes him superior to Sasuke is the fact that he became Hokage. It isn't small, but it is still all he has going for him.

As for the match, Tsunade's and Oro's students win. Sasuke would utterly dominate Kyuubiless Naruto, and the rest of their team could stall Yondaime until he finished. At that point, the Yondaime is overwhelmed by numbers.


i dont remmber sasuke being refered to as the greatest ninja konoha ever produced... just his name and reputation alone gives away how strong he was. sasuke has proven nothing to be on yondaimes level. he killed fodder ninja and has done absolutely ntohing in part 2. he did kill a sick orochimaru and thats about it.

[TWF]

lol kabuto beat down a "terrorized by blood" tsunade. Besides; tsunade is a sannin not because of fighting prowess but because of her legendary medic skills. Putting her in a fight is meaningless. Do you honestly think kabuto could do anything to any akatsuki member or orochimaru and jiraiya..?

Kabuto got owned by PTS Naruto's rasengan. He has nothing on yondaime. Just because i like the character doesnt make my arguments null.

You mean the Rasengan that Kabuto laughed off after being hit by? Very good point.

[yondaime 88]

lol your idiocy is making me laff.

"You mean the Rasengan that Kabuto laughed off after being hit by? Very good point."

he did make a hole in kabuto, just that kabuto has that crazy cell regenration. Making a hole in people=pwnage. Even if he didnt kill him.

Well do what you can, seeing as how you nitpick and cant seem to refute any other points. You truly are a great debater!

[durtycheese]

You mean the Rasengan that Kabuto laughed off after being hit by? Very good point.

laughed off?? ahahah he was unable to do anything to help orochimaru after that. its pathetic how naruto learned the raseangan on kabuto and he didnt even use kyuubi powers. naruto should be laughing at kabuto like eveyrone else does.

[Woozie]

laughed off?? ahahah he was unable to do anything to help orochimaru after that.

He summoned Manda.

[narutofangd]

You mean the Rasengan that Kabuto laughed off after being hit by? Very good point.


If you seriously think Kabuto laughed off the rasengan you need glasses

[kannoos]

Ino and Sakura die to Kabuto. And both Kabuto and Shizune will destroy Naruto without the Kyuubi's chakra. It is completely cheap to give Sasuke the Curse Seal yet not allow Naruto to use the Kyuubi's power.


That's because I thought Sasuke would need it for his team to have a decent chance of beating Yondaime. I think current Naruto could definitely beat Shizune (he surpassed Kakashi, give him some credit) and perhaps Kabuto (or at least hold his own against him). Why did you say "Ino and Sakura die to Kabuto"?. They are all on the same team. Sasuke, Kabuto and Kimmimaro are the only people who could even pose a threat to Yondaime here (Kimmimaro was struggling against pre-skip Gaara and had to pull out his ultimate jutsu, so people should stop overrating him. He's not invincible and could get taken out by S-rank elemental ninjutsu, which a Hokage would presumably have). The rest of them just don't have the speed, power or versatility to keep up (Anko was owned effortlessly by Orochimaru, Sakura's only offense is the super punch etc.). Yondaime may or may not be able to beat all of them at once (while Naruto fights Shizune), depending on how powerful current Sasuke turns out to be.

[yondaime 88]

ok i know yondaime is really overrated but... he should be. He is the sole possessor of the s-rank jutsu "hiraishin no jutsu". Now Iv heard, "hiraishin is Over rated, its not a OHKO" and all that jazz. Thing is, Hiraishin has to be one of the most OP'ed jutsus we have seen in the manga so far.

You cant react to hiraishin, its teleportation, so not even sharingan can counter it. There is no movement to predict, yondaime just appears next to you and attacks however he pleases. If you have a seal on you or anywhere near you, you're screwed.

You're saying Kabuto and Sasuke can kill Yondaime? I cant see how Kabuto will survive Yondaime (who is already insanely fast, cf kakashi gaiden) placing a seal on him/near him and then just blowing his brain out with rasengan.

Hiraishin no jutsu is Yondaime's trump card, he is already a monster shinobi without it. With it, he becomes the most feared shinobi ever he was during the war.

(kakashi gaiden yondaime<< yondaime hokage)

[kannoos]

(kakashi gaiden yondaime<< yondaime hokage)

I agree with the rest of your post, but Yondaime died less than two years after Kakashi Gaiden, so he can't have improved that much. However, we didn't see him go all out anyway, so he might have been close to Sandaime's level already.

[Sky is Over]

Tsunade never had any students, but Oro had Anko; so it'd more be like Anko vs. Yondaime and the two others...*obviously, Jiyara's students would win.*

[yondaime 88]

wikipedia also states Yondaime to be the strongest ninja the leaf ever produced.
Im just saying that Hokage Yondaime was surely stronger than Sarutobi (he did replace him...) whereas Kakashi gaiden Yondaime might not have been. (I dunno, he did have hiraishin at that point anyway)

[kannoos]

I'm not just talking about "official" students. Oro has also taught Sasuke, Kabuto (to summon snakes and probably more stuff) etc. Tsunade has taught Shizune (unofficially) and Sakura (as an official medical apprentice). Besides, Naruto wouldn't be on team Jiraiya because he's not "officially" an apprentice either, if you say Shizune isn't one.

[yondaime 88]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume27.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33619


allright i found it, keep in mind this is Yondaime's speed WITHOUT hiraishin no jutsu. It is AT LEAST on par with sasuke's speed. Kabuto would probably fall without yondy using hiraishin. Yondaime also stops full speed chidori kakashi right in his tracks. Kakashi is a jounin at that point. The opponent using kage bunshin (20 clones) also points to the fact that he is a jounin and he did not even react to yondy's normal speed.

He isnt as hyped as he is for nothing...

Kiraiya's students crush all and the polls show it

[Kai]

If you seriously think Kabuto laughed off the rasengan you need glasses

Which is why he was able to get back up and summon Manda.

[kannoos]

That rasengan wasn't a proper one (Naruto did the third step, but probably not that well). The proper one blew a giant hole in a water tower, and would therefore have done the same to Kabuto.

[durtycheese]

He summoned Manda.

he summoned manda using orochimarus arm, and after that he sat there and watched orochimaru get his ass beat by tsunade. why? because he got his ass handed to him by a genin.

[durtycheese]

Which is why he was able to get back up and summon Manda.

and sit there and do nothing afterwards whie watching orchimaru get his ass beat by tsunade... think next time, and open your eyes and stop lying to yourselves.

[yondaime 88]

even if he could get back up, point is he took a hit from a genin... which is pretty pathetic in itself. No one here could take yondaime alone (re read kakashi gaiden if you have doubts), not even kimimaro who wouldnt have time to make bones, thats how fast yondaime is.

[Souzousaisei]

Hiraishin. Is. Overrated.

Let me clarify this. Hiraishin isn't a one hit KO move. Nor is it an attacking move. It just helps Yondaime to move from one spot to another quickly, and kill them from behind using kunai/rasengan/whatever. And to do the jutsu he must fulfil one requirement: the marks. In his battle in Kakashi Gaiden, he needed to place a special mark, either by his hands or kunais. The latter is done by many other ninjas there. Then he annihilated those guys who didn't even know why they died.

But his opponents here are different. Nearly everybody there knew about the jutsu. Kabuto has a sharp sense, and is able to regenerate even after hit by Rasengan (albeit pretty hurt much), let alone kunai. 4 medics are in the battle, one of them uses chakra scalpels to cut muscles, and the other can use monster strength. One can spit up poison, and the other can sneak into other's body. The fact that Naruto didn't have Kyuubi gets him owned in the first place by Kabuto. Naruto beating Kabuto in the Sannin battle is pure coincidence, where Kabuto couldn't move because of being stuck with Naruto's hand by a kunai. Even so, if that time he managed to cut Naruto's throat with his scalpels (um, Kishimoto just didn't make that happen. That would end the manga, wouldn't it?) Naruto will die. This time just make it easy and do Doton, cut his legs, arms, etc. Naruto=raped.

The fact that some broken trait called Sharingan is present in this battle ends all. When Yondaime is busy throwing all kunais here and there, marking his territory like a dog, Sasuke just copy Hiraishin. Simple. It's not Kekkei Genkai after all. And Sharingan+Hiraishin>Hiraishin alone. Done.

I see that Kyuubi is removed because of the thoughts of an overkill. That's a proof of how overrated Hiraishin or Yondaime is. Nah. IF Kyuubi is present, then it might be hopeful. No, wait, Sharingan is there. Kyuubi gets "WTF, you look like Madara. You suppress meee...!" which means loss to Jiraiya's students too. Don't forget that Sasuke has Chidori Nagashi too. Neither Yondaime nor Naruto can touch him. Add CS2. Add snakes. Add Gamakichi as lunch. GG.

Oro and Tsunade's students pwn and royally rape the overrated blondie with three or so undying members that can regenerate even after the blondie cut them with kunai. Win.

[yondaime 88]

lol at souzou. Funny thing is that most people say hiraishin is overrated and tend to consider it is yondaime's only move. First of all, yondaime's body flicker no jutsu is already insanely fast. He wtfpwned a jounin in a second. Now sharingan can only copy hand seals, nowhere has it been shown hiraishin uses handseals.

You think kabuto and sasuke can keep up with a guy with already strenght and speed above theirs (as well as war experience) and hiraishin as well. You need to get better glasses and stop the fanboyism. While everyone except sasuke cant even see yondaime's body flicker, if they get anywhere near a seal without noticing it they are screwed. Even without hiraishin, yondaime is still the fastest character in the manga. The fact that he became hokage also proves that he has plenty of other jutsu to wtfpwn everyone.

lol at scalpel knives, they cant even see yondaime and all he has to do is chop their head off or rasengan their brains.

[Violent-nin]

wikipedia also states Yondaime to be the strongest ninja the leaf ever produced.
Im just saying that Hokage Yondaime was surely stronger than Sarutobi (he did replace him...) whereas Kakashi gaiden Yondaime might not have been. (I dunno, he did have hiraishin at that point anyway)

Wrong.

Just to clarify, Sandaime was getting old and wanted to retire an live in peace. That's why Yondaime became Hokage, because Sandaime basically stepped down/retired and gave the title to Yondaime. He originally wanted to give the title to Orochimaru but..well we all know how that turned out.

Also, Don't use Wikipedia facts to back your point up seeing as Wiki can be edited by anyone.

[kannoos]

If Hiraishin could be copied, don't you think Kakashi would be able to do it? It must require a certain "knack", just like rasengan. Besides, even if it were possible, you can't do an ultra-difficult S-rank jutsu right after copying it - practice would still be required. Also, if battle-hardened rock jounin were terrified of him and ordered to flee on sight, I should think most of these people would just be easily massacred fodder (Anko, Sakura etc.). Shizune easily got owned by Kabuto, so she's not going to be of much use against a Hokage either. Current Naruto probably wouldn't be able to beat any of the real threats (Sasuke, Kabuto, Kimmimaro...that's about it) on his own, but he could certainly help and put up a fight, and Yondaime would just massacre them (Hiraishin isn't his only jutsu - the guy must have had other super powerful jutsu, considering he invented stuff like Shiki Fuujin and Hiraishin). Also, summoning Gamabunta is still allowed, whereas no-one on the side has shown the ability to summon a boss summon (except Kabuto, but he had to use Orochimaru's blood, didn't he? Meaning he hasn't got a contract of his own.).

[yondaime 88]

Wrong.

Just to clarify, Sandaime was getting old and wanted to retire an live in peace. That's why Yondaime became Hokage, because Sandaime basically stepped down/retired and gave the title to Yondaime. He originally wanted to give the title to Orochimaru but..well we all know how that turned out.

Also, Don't use Wikipedia facts to back your point up seeing as Wiki can be edited by anyone.

well i cant really remember that so if you could please show me the pages or more proof.


i agree with kannos as well

[kannoos]

Wrong.

Just to clarify, Sandaime was getting old and wanted to retire an live in peace. That's why Yondaime became Hokage, because Sandaime basically stepped down/retired and gave the title to Yondaime. He originally wanted to give the title to Orochimaru but..well we all know how that turned out.

Also, Don't use Wikipedia facts to back your point up seeing as Wiki can be edited by anyone.

Doesn't it make more sense for Yondaime to be stronger though, plot wise.?He's the main character's hero, Kakashi said something like "Naruto could surpass the fourth" as if this had some special significance, he invented Shiki Fuujin (which the supposedly superior Sandaime had to use to save Konoha - he had't invented any better jutsus for use in situations like this when he was in his prime) etc. I think would make more sense if Naruto had to finally surpass Yondaime in order to beat the AL in the end.

[Tmb04]

The thing is that that none of the characters on this whole poll ever seen Sandaime Prime. They are just simply too young. I'm sure they heard of some of his feats of back in the day. The two most common would be, God of Shinobi and The Professor... They called him that because he knew how to perform every single Konoha Jutsu.

Some one brought up Shiki Fuujin earlier? Sure Yondaime might have been the inventor of that move, but Sandaime knew it as well. Sandaime also learned it after Yondaime's Death. Proving that he can create S Class Jutsu on his own. He possibly has an arsenal of his Own Original Jutsu as well, I mean the guy knew Thousands+. But enough about Yondaime/Sandaime

Kannoos also mentioned that Yondaime must have other Super Powerful Jutsu earlier. This is a battledome discussion. Meaning unless you seen or Know for a fact that the character can perform one for a fact, It's not allowed in discussion since it's 100% Speculation. That being said, the only moves we know of Yondaime using are: Rasengan, Hirashin, Shiki Fuujin, Gamabunta. Since they are his only known powerful moves, you cant say "Because he was Hokage He can do this"... Beacuse its not a fact..

[yondaime 88]

The thing is that that none of the characters on this whole poll ever seen Sandaime Prime. They are just simply too young. I'm sure they heard of some of his feats of back in the day. The two most common would be, God of Shinobi and The Professor... They called him that because he knew how to perform every single Konoha Jutsu.

Some one brought up Shiki Fuujin earlier? Sure Yondaime might have been the inventor of that move, but Sandaime knew it as well. Sandaime also learned it after Yondaime's Death. Proving that he can create S Class Jutsu on his own. He possibly has an arsenal of his Own Original Jutsu as well, I mean the guy knew Thousands+. But enough about Yondaime/Sandaime

Kannoos also mentioned that Yondaime must have other Super Powerful Jutsu earlier. This is a battledome discussion. Meaning unless you seen or Know for a fact that the character can perform one for a fact, It's not allowed in discussion since it's 100% Speculation. That being said, the only moves we know of Yondaime using are: Rasengan, Hirashin, Shiki Fuujin, Gamabunta. Since they are his only known powerful moves, you cant say "Because he was Hokage He can do this"... Beacuse its not a fact..



Well then, guess we cant have much arguing on sasukes part as we barely saw him using any jutsu after TS. He just transformed and whopped fodder ninja as well as a weak orochimaru.

[Yellow]

Yondaime and Naruto win. Yondaime would use Hiraishin and pwn everyone. Only Sasuke has a slight chance of doing some damage here. Yondaime was known for his speed and is definitely faster than everyone of them. Kimi might be somewhat of a problem with his bones but that can be easily taken care of with a gamabunta summoning and some rasengan or kn4 Naruto.

Everyone of them is dead in less than a minute except for Sasuke and Kimimaro. Kimi would die from gamabunta and rasengan/kn4 Naruto.

Sasuke could be over powered with some difficulty.

[durtycheese]

yondaime owns this battle.

[AbnormallyNormal]

i say jiriaya's students but with difficulty, i mean the friggin 4th hokage is not going to lose, even though sasuke is powerful and kabuto is sneaky.

[Tmb04]

Yondaime and Naruto win. Yondaime would use Hiraishin and pwn everyone. Only Sasuke has a slight chance of doing some damage here. Yondaime was known for his speed and is definitely faster than everyone of them. Kimi might be somewhat of a problem with his bones but that can be easily taken care of with a gamabunta summoning and some rasengan or kn4 Naruto.

Everyone of them is dead in less than a minute except for Sasuke and Kimimaro. Kimi would die from gamabunta and rasengan/kn4 Naruto.

Sasuke could be over powered with some difficulty.

Seeing as Naruto cant use Kyuubi's Power do you still think the same?

Lets get creative and say he can though. Lets say he goes 4 Tails like you Say. 4 Tail Naruto Loses All Self Control he has, He'll Attack ANYONE at ANYTIME. He Goes Completely Berserk. That means that he will eventually fight Yondaime Sooner or Later. How do you think Yondaime would Fare off against a KN4 Naruto? KN4 couldnt be stopped by Orochimaru, He even Fucked Jiraiya up before he was stopped. Dont tell me that you think Yondaime is So Godly that He can Do what 2 Sannin before him could not? But I guess even if Naruto Kills Yondaime, he would probably kill everyone else as well resulting in a Win....

[eDyH]

The only in character thing I can see Yondaime doing if Naruto goes KN4 would be to forfeit by using Shiki-Fuujin, preventing Kyuubi from being fully released...

[Tmb04]

Lol that would result in a Tie.... Unless Yondaime did it before Naruto wiped out the other side :P

[Kai]

and sit there and do nothing afterwards whie watching orchimaru get his ass beat by tsunade... think next time, and open your eyes and stop lying to yourselves.
This is sad to an unbelievable degree. I made no mention to events afterwards Kabuto receiving the Rasengan. You're trying to hit a pinyata with an invisible bat.

Oh btw, I've noticed your uncontrollable fetish to lash out on Kabuto's character and feats. Take a good look here on Jiraiya's comment(bottom right hand panel) as well as the rest of the numbered points.
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/161-170/165/Naruto_v19_c165_p16.jpg
"SAME POWER AS KAKASHI"

1.There is a reason the most dangerous enemy to Konoha chose Kabuto as his loyal right hand man.
2. He was able to wtfpwn Shizune(another jounin) without a scratch
3. Able to summon two snakes + a boss summon
4. Sense of medical jutsu surpass Tsunade's in her prime; gave her a great amount of trouble in their battle
5. His sense of deception is incredible
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/089/naruto-10-8-08.jpg
6. He put half of Konoha to sleep
7. Adding onto his deception aspect, no one loyal to Konoha ever figured out his true identity without him having to reveal himself. He is impeccable at toying with people's minds.

[dwabn]

i say team jiraya wins b/c i believe all of tsunades students will go down fast because of the teleporting of the 4th and then in the end if it is going in the other teams favor he can just use KB Shiki Fuujin to take out the rest and leave only naruto alive so they would win.

[Chaos Hokage]

Jiraiya's students would win. 4th Hokage summons Gamabunta & Naruto summons the 2nd biggest toad in case Sasuke & Anko summons Manda & the 2nd biggest snake. 4th Hokage would then give Naruto one of his Hiraishin no Jutsu kunai knives. Naruto create 1000+ clones with Tajuu KB while holding the 4th's kunai knife. Naruto & his clones throw the knives randomly into Oro's & Tsunade's students' ranks. 4th Hokage would then teleport behind each enemy & slit their throats.

[Vance]

Yondaime does everything, Naruto is shit.