Who can beat Onslaught (full-potential)? [Archive]

Dark Evangel

05-25-2007, 06:23 PM

Hulk was able to damage him but it was not a full-potential Onslaught btw I edited the thread.

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SteelJack

05-25-2007, 06:48 PM

I'm assuming PIS and CIS are off for Onslaught. If so, Lucifer Morningstar. Yeah, he's a cosmic, as they're the only ones who can defeat the non-retarded Onslaught.

05-25-2007, 07:10 PM

So this is the Onslaught that has Franklin Richards full potential power. Anyone can beat him?,no omnipotent,and shit.

Cosmics that are above The Celestials are banned.

Maybe, Proteus full potential.
Possibly, HoM Scarlet Witch.

I don’t really know. >_>

05-25-2007, 07:12 PM

I'm assuming PIS and CIS are off for Onslaught. If so, Lucifer Morningstar. Yeah, he's a cosmic, as they're the only ones who can defeat the non-retarded Onslaught.
That's a bit much isnt it?

The Hand Of Justice

05-25-2007, 07:15 PM

No non cosmic could beat him...

SteelJack

05-25-2007, 07:17 PM

What's a bit much? The claim that only cosmics can beat Onslaught, the fact that I pitted Lucifer Morningstar against him, or the claim that I said that Onslaught was a total idiot in that story arc.

Kuya

05-25-2007, 07:56 PM

No cosmics above celestials? doesn't give us much.

Only could think of Squirrel Girl.

Enclave

05-25-2007, 08:05 PM

Maybe, Proteus full potential.
Possibly, HoM Scarlet Witch.

I don’t really know. >_>

Scarlet Witch has never shown feats of reality warping on Franklin's level. He has yet to show his full powers at this point but he has already revived Galactus from a near death state and also created a pocket universe. Again, this all without being at his full potential.

All Scarlet Witch has done is depowered most of the mutants on the planet.

Cthulhu-versailles

05-25-2007, 08:47 PM

Akira if we assume all the talk was true.

Comic Book Guy

05-26-2007, 01:25 AM

So this is the Onslaught that has Franklin Richards full potential power. Anyone can beat him?,no omnipotent,and shit.

Cosmics that are above The Celestials are banned.

The thread is pretty much unfair -- FP Franklin Richards is a cosmic, with power at least equal to that of a Celestial.

You need cosmics on Celestial cosmic level and above to defeat this kind of Onslaught.

More so, Onslaught, despite having FR, wasn't able to access all of his powers.

omg laser pew pew!

05-26-2007, 01:30 AM

Squirrel Girl

Enclave

05-26-2007, 01:32 AM

She undoubtedly would win

Elyon

05-26-2007, 01:39 AM

...

Bruce Bixby.

....
Possibly Celestial Hulk with the help of Thor and Superman Prime.

TWF

05-26-2007, 01:41 AM

So are Legion/Holocaust out of the question then?

Elyon

05-26-2007, 01:45 AM

For those who don't know:
Bruce Bixby's a friend of mine from my school, claims he was able to kill Onslaught through the use of the 'De-Raser!', a magical tool which enables me to knock the hell out of him whenever he mentions Onslaught.

>.>
With Cable (full power) and Professor X trying to block Onslaught's power at once and Hulk and Thor attacking with Superman, they would probably be able to push him a little.

Comic Book Guy

05-26-2007, 01:50 AM

So are Legion/Holocaust out of the question then?

It's basically who can beat FP Franklin Richards. Legion (David Haller) and Holocaust (AOA son of Apocalypse) are unable to come close.

Yōkai

05-26-2007, 02:27 AM

>.>
With Cable (full power) and Professor X trying to block Onslaught's power at once and Hulk and Thor attacking with Superman, they would probably be able to push him a little.dont forget to add captain america to even the odds a little

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/OWNSLAUGHT2.jpg

The last Dalek

05-26-2007, 06:42 AM

JLU Amazo just copys his powers and gets all Onslaught's power pluss his own. Dam like he wasnt broken enough allready.

HellKarasu

05-29-2007, 05:12 PM

Alucard from Hellsing at Limit 0 would stand a chance

Enclave

05-29-2007, 05:34 PM

Alucard from Hellsing at Limit 0 would stand a chance

Doubt it. Franklin at full potential is a multi-versal level threat

05-29-2007, 06:06 PM

Doubt it. Franklin at full potential is a multi-versal level threat
No he isnt.

Enclave

05-29-2007, 06:43 PM

Yes he is.

Scarlet Witch in House of M when she depowered the mutants caused some problem which threatened the multi-verse (only heard about this on some forums, I didn't read about it myself). Franklin is far more powerful than her and thus is a multi-versal threat. Especially when you consider the fact that when he uses his powers he has much greater control and precision than she has portrayed.

Also Franklin is a reality warper on a similar level as Mad Jim Jaspers who also happened to be considered a threat to the multi-verse.

05-29-2007, 07:48 PM

You got it wrong.

Scarlet Witches' potential is unknown, and at the House of M she threatened the Omniverse.

Mad Jim Jaspers isnt very powerful at all, the 283th version is the original one.
While the 616th version (which is pretty new) had Omniversal capacity.

Both are above the Phoenix's which surpasses Franklin by far.

Franklin in a What if... issue at the height of his potential he replaced Galactus, which means that he was slightly more power powerful than the former Galactus.
Full potential Franklin (adult) is at Celestial - Galactus level.

The Anti-Existence

05-29-2007, 08:19 PM

Hm.

Captain America can do it.

The power of America >>>> reality.

mystictrunks

05-29-2007, 08:40 PM

Batman. He'll be like "AH Onslaught, I knew one day a reality warping telepath from another universe would come to Gotham so I've been preparing"
*throws an anti-reality warping batarang, and hit him with a punch that shuts off the telepathic center of his brain*

Then when Onslaughts in the dirt like a bitch Batman goes "Ayo, this ain't dirt its a dentist's chair and you didn't floss" then he throws him back to the marvel universe crippled and broken.

Comic Book Guy

05-29-2007, 09:31 PM

Franklin Richards is at least Celestial level -- confirmed by one of the Celestials themselves and Roma as well.

Bendis' Scarlet Witch is a horrible, horrible result of one of the most pathetic retcons I've ever seen.

No such thing as Chaos Magic?

FFS. . .

master bruce

05-30-2007, 11:08 AM

supes prime(with the sword)
supes pre-crisis(power insane and new power for every new problem)
savage hulk(near infinite rage like if onslaught killed betty in front in him)
trion juggernaut(100% cytorrak)
surfer(had to throw him in)
thanos with IG

TWF

05-30-2007, 11:15 AM

Naruto with FRS can beat him! ZOmg.

Enclave

05-30-2007, 11:39 AM

05-30-2007, 11:42 AM

Fully fed Galactus is abstract level (IE. Eternity, Death, ect).
Indeed, but he never achived (from what was witnessed) Galactus' potential.
And was pretty much like the normal Galactus.

Anyhow, Scarlet Witch from the House of M and 616th Mad Jim Jaspers are far beyond those.

Enclave

05-30-2007, 11:46 AM

Indeed, but he never achived (from what was witnessed) Galactus' potential.
And was pretty much like the normal Galactus.

Anyhow, Scarlet Witch from the House of M and 616th Mad Jim Jaspers are far beyond those.

Franklin was the most advanced mutant on Earth at least considered this by the Celestials.

Ignoring that though, what has Scarlet Witch done feat wise that is equal to Franklin's greatest feats?

Franklin once created a pocket universe. Another time he revived Galactus.

Both feats far surpass Scarlet Witches greatest feat of depowering less than 1 planet full of mutants. Also keep in mind that when Franklin did those things he wasn't even close to his full potential.

05-30-2007, 11:49 AM

supes prime(with the sword)
Superman Prime never had the Sword of Superman, and the Superman who did get is hands on the sword refused it and it was destroyed.
- If he accepted the powers however he would be the most powerful version of Superman.

Superman Prime though would probably fall, for the same reason as Phoenix did, remember this is full potential.
supes pre-crisis(power insane and new power for every new problem)
With many appearances comes great success but sadly also great defeats.
In one issue he was flying many times faster than light, in another he had to hurry to get to another state of the US.
- Anyhow, Onslaught Prime would defeat him--no matter who you're refering to.
savage hulk(near infinite rage like if onslaught killed betty in front in him)
Not a chance--we're talking full potential here.
trion juggernaut(100% cytorrak)
Probably
surfer(had to throw him in)
No ...
thanos with IG
Obviously he would.

05-30-2007, 11:54 AM

Franklin was the most advanced mutant on Earth at least considered this by the Celestials.
Because the Phoenix is supressed.
And so is Wanda's it activated when she gets angry.
Mad Jim Jaspers (616) do not live on earth.

Ignoring that though, what has Scarlet Witch done feat wise that is equal to Franklin's greatest feats?
Granted Genis-Vell the power to blink out a universe.
Created the Chaos Wave which sundered the Omniverse.

Franklin once created a pocket universe. Another time he revived Galactus.
Each universe contains an infinite amout of pocket universes, Mephisto's realm, Dark Dimension etc.
Celestial's can create them as well, but with far more ease.

When did he revive Galactus?

Both feats far surpass Scarlet Witches greatest feat of depowering less than 1 planet full of mutants. Also keep in mind that when Franklin did those things he wasn't even close to his full potential.
Again those arent her greatest feats, read the House of M and you'll witness her greatest feat's.

Ion

05-30-2007, 11:55 AM

Does Dark Schneider count as a cosmic?

If not, then he should be able to take him.

Taleran

05-30-2007, 12:50 PM

Girono Giovanna - End of JJBA Part 5

Rice Ball

05-30-2007, 12:56 PM

Thanos +plot

TWF

05-30-2007, 01:50 PM

Galactus can do it. SS too.

Comic Book Guy

05-30-2007, 02:08 PM

Franklin was the most advanced mutant on Earth at least considered this by the Celestials.

Ignoring that though, what has Scarlet Witch done feat wise that is equal to Franklin's greatest feats?

An out-of-control reality warping wave that broke through the walls of causality, which threatened to reduce "all that is" (whatever the heck it meant that time. . .) into a blob of nothingness.

Franklin once created a pocket universe. Another time he revived Galactus.

Both feats far surpass Scarlet Witches greatest feat of depowering less than 1 planet full of mutants. Also keep in mind that when Franklin did those things he wasn't even close to his full potential.

Though, reviving Galactus supposedly burnt out his powers "forever", as Uatu said.

But then again, it's Marvel Comics, and that's now retconned. . .

When did he revive Galactus?

End of the Abraxas storyline. He revived Galactus, and "burnt out his powers forever", until Marvel Comics retconned that.

Again those arent her greatest feats, read the House of M and you'll witness her greatest feat's.

Whoever decided to retcon Wanda into something she's FAR not should be shot.

Freaking Quesada and Bendis. . .

TWF

05-30-2007, 02:10 PM

Casstoons Cassandra Cain will punch him into David Cain, who will curbstomp.

Right CBG? :wink

Sylar

05-30-2007, 02:20 PM

Mister Mxyzptlk (No I have no clue how to spell his name.)

Adam Warlock

Blackheart

Just a few who should be able to.

The last Dalek

05-31-2007, 07:51 AM

Doom with prep shows up with some machine that Jacks Onslaught's powers.

Pre Crisis Darksied could do it as well.

Kuya

05-31-2007, 07:54 AM

The Mask, Beetlejuice, OR Bugs Bunny can do it.

omg laser pew pew!

05-31-2007, 08:41 AM

Again those arent her greatest feats, read the House of M and you'll witness her greatest feat's.

You do not tell Comic Book Guy to read comics.

Boy

Vicious

05-31-2007, 08:43 AM

Wow onslaught w/full potential and no one above the Celestials? eh

I guess Millenniumon might have a shot against him, so would MaloMyotismon possibly.

HellKarasu

05-31-2007, 03:51 PM

Doomsday from DC will eventually own him. If Onslaught kills Doomsday, he comes back stronger, creating an infinite loop until Doomsday is stronger than Onslaught

Comic Book Guy

05-31-2007, 06:16 PM

Wow onslaught w/full potential and no one above the Celestials? eh

I guess Millenniumon might have a shot against him, so would MaloMyotismon possibly.

ZeedMilleniummon, I can see how.

MaloMyotismon, how?

Doomsday from DC will eventually own him. If Onslaught kills Doomsday, he comes back stronger, creating an infinite loop until Doomsday is stronger than Onslaught

Doomsday being able to withstand the Omega Beams is one thing.

Being able to withstand cosmic level reality warping, is quite another.

05-31-2007, 06:17 PM

You do not tell Comic Book Guy to read comics.

Boy
What? - I did not quote him.

But in some cases, yes, I would probably say that to him.

05-31-2007, 06:24 PM

An out-of-control reality warping wave that broke through the walls of causality, which threatened to reduce "all that is" (whatever the heck it meant that time. . .) into a blob of nothingness.
The Omniverse was mentioned by Roma as well.

Though, reviving Galactus supposedly burnt out his powers "forever", as Uatu said.
Another reason Wanda and Jim (616th) surpasses him.

But then again, it's Marvel Comics, and that's now retconned. . .
Bah--still Wanda and Jim's feature surpasses his.

End of the Abraxas storyline. He revived Galactus, and "burnt out his powers forever", until Marvel Comics retconned that.
What the hell are you talking about?
Galactus wasent dead, just fataly wounded, Franklin just restored his powers.

Whoever decided to retcon Wanda into something she's FAR not should be shot.
But HoM Wanda is still Wanda from the Mouse of M.

Freaking Quesada and Bendis. . .
They suck, yeah.

Comic Book Guy

05-31-2007, 06:46 PM

The Omniverse was mentioned by Roma as well.

Which issue of the House of M Uncany X-Men tie-in?

Another reason Wanda and Jim (616th) surpasses him.

Bah--still Wanda and Jim's feature surpasses his.

They resurrected a cosmic being the likes of Galactus?

And to my knowledge, neither garnered cosmic attention like Franklin with the likes of the Celestials or Eternity and Infinity

What the hell are you talking about?
Galactus wasent dead, just fataly wounded, Franklin just restored his powers.

Galactus was said to be deceased by Mr. Fantastic in the 2001 Annual, and Roma later reconfirms 616 Galactus' death in F4 #48.

But HoM Wanda is still Wanda from the Mouse of M.

Indeed, unfortunately.

No such thing as Chaos Magic? What pathetic adherence to continuity. . .

They suck, yeah.

Read New Avengers Illuminati #3. You'll be. . . disappointed regarding the retcon Bendis made to the Beyonder.

Vicious

05-31-2007, 07:01 PM

ZeedMilleniummon, I can see how.

MaloMyotismon, how?
Well as you already know Milleniummon can easily make a universe with infinte timelines and destroy a dimesion with ease, and/or stun him and just send him into another dimension and destroy it or he could just send him into a parallel dimension and restart everything or send to the past, present and future.
So i think Milleniummon or Moon=Milleniummon would beable to beat him, ZeedMilleniummon would be overkill.

MaloMyotismon, he was able to create a dimension(i think), he has the power to put the real world, and the Digital World into total darkness, he can make your desire's become reality. I truthfully dont think he could beat Onslaught though:sweatdrop, probly be a good fight.

Comic Book Guy

05-31-2007, 07:06 PM

Well as you already know Milleniummon can easily make a universe with infinte timelines and destroy a dimesion with ease, and/or stun him and just send him into another dimension and destroy it or he could just send him into a parallel dimension and restart everything or send to the past, present and future.
So i think Milleniummon or Moon=Milleniummon would beable to beat him, ZeedMilleniummon would be overkill.

[quote]MaloMyotismon, he was able to create a dimension(i think), he has the power to put the real world, and the Digital World into total darkness, he can make your desire's become reality.

When Oikawa tapped into the powers of the Dark Spores, he went to a dimension where apparently one's wishes is made reality -- like all the simultaneous DigiVolutions of the Digimon existing at once.

But yes, MaloMyotismon was able to put the worlds in Darkness. Though, his power is in proportion to those with negative attitudes in the anime.

I truthfully dont think he could beat Onslaught though:sweatdrop, probly be a good fight.

I don't think so.

05-31-2007, 07:15 PM

Which issue of the House of M Uncany X-Men tie-in?
Somewhere in the end of the miniseries.

They resurrected a cosmic being the likes of Galactus?
Creating the Chaos Wave is a greater feat.
Warping the Omniverse is a greater feat.

And to my knowledge, neither garnered cosmic attention like Franklin with the likes of the Celestials.
True, but the 616th version of Jaspers is pretty new.
And Wanda from the House of M, well let's say the Celestial's where ignorant.

Galactus was said to be deceased by Mr. Fantastic in the 2001 Annual, and Roma later reconfirms 616 Galactus' death in F4 #48.
Marvel Girl states in the last issue that Galactus wasent dead, and so Franklin resotred his powers at the cost of his own.

Read New Avengers Illuminati #3. You'll be. . . disappointed regarding the retcon Bendis made to the Beyonder.
I know, he should be executed in public with his entire family watching for that.
Beyonder a mutant, even more idiotic than the first retcon.

Malomyotismon didn't only create a dimension he merged it with the digiworld.
- Or do you go by the anime?

The manga version however would BUTCHER anyone bellow Eternity-level.
As it was confirmed that he could destroy the entire digiworld.

Comic Book Guy

05-31-2007, 07:23 PM

Somewhere in the end of the miniseries.

I'll check.

Creating the Chaos Wave is a greater feat.
Warping the Omniverse is a greater feat.

Indeed.

True, but the 616th version of Jaspers is pretty new.
And Wanda from the House of M, well let's say the Celestial's where ignorant.

Ignorant? Being one of the most powerful cosmic forces of the universe, you'd remain ignorant to a threat to "all creation"?

And Eternity and Infinity? One being the representation of the universe, and his greater aspect the multiverse?

This is why I dislike Bendis with a passion.

Marvel Girl states in the last issue that Galactus wasent dead, and so Franklin resotred his powers at the cost of his own.

Wait.

Marvel Girl? As in Rachel Summers?

She was in the Abraxas storyline?

I know, he should be executed in public with his entire family watching for that.
Beyonder a mutant, even more idiotic than the first retcon.

Which is why it's so ridiculously hard to reconcile these retcons.

Malomyotismon didn't only create a dimension he merged it with the digiworld.
- Or do you go by the anime?

Well, I've only watched the anime. It was popular during the time when the series first aired in NA.

The manga version however would BUTCHER anyone bellow Eternity-level.
As it was confirmed that he could destroy the entire digiworld.

Ah.

05-31-2007, 07:32 PM

Ignorant? Being one of the most powerful cosmic forces of the universe, you'd remain ignorant to a threat to "all creation"?

And Eternity and Infinity? One being the representation of the universe, and his greater aspect the multiverse?

This is why I dislike Bendis with a passion.

Meh, what can we do?

Wait.

Marvel Girl? As in Rachel Summers?

She was in the Abraxas storyline?
Valeria von Doom is Marvel Girl.

Which is why it's so ridiculously hard to reconcile these retcons.
Seriously what is this, Beyonder's forth retcon?

Ignorant? Being one of the most powerful cosmic forces of the universe, you'd remain ignorant to a threat to "all creation"?

And Eternity and Infinity? One being the representation of the universe, and his greater aspect the multiverse?

This is why I dislike Bendis with a passion.

Comic Book Guy

05-31-2007, 07:44 PM

Meh, what can we do?

2 things, really.

1) Attempt to make sense of this still.

2) Pray for a really, really, REALLY capable editor.

In order to avoid things like this.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/4548/35532435xa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

compared to

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1329/13901714jp7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Valeria von Doom is Marvel Girl.

Oh yeah. . .

I just skimmed over #49 and still don't see where Valeria said Galactus wasn't dead but depowered.

Seriously what is this, Beyonder's forth retcon?

Or third.

omg laser pew pew!

05-31-2007, 10:00 PM

What? - I did not quote him.

But in some cases, yes, I would probably say that to him.

Well my apologies then, I mistook your post as one big one quoting CBG as I didn't see any other names in there

Or maybe there was other names but I was too busy trying to look cool to notice