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Pein
05-25-2007, 03:10 PM
healthy kimmimaro with unlimited cs2 this is the anime kimmi
vs
spiderman

battle takes place where garra and kimmi fought so wins?

Sharinganmaster29
05-25-2007, 03:15 PM
spidy cant hurt kimimaro with kicks or web

Kuya
05-25-2007, 03:19 PM
^^^It's debatable if Kimi would even land any hit on Spidey.

And if Spidey connects a few punches or kicks i'm pretty sure Kimi would be feeling it.

In the end, Spidey would win.

Niko Bellic
05-25-2007, 04:06 PM
do you kidoumaru?

Enclave
05-25-2007, 08:13 PM
spidy cant hurt kimimaro with kicks or web

Spidy can punch through concrete like it was paper. Kimi's bones are not going to be so tough that he cannot take them out. Not to mention the fact that a full force punch from spidy would logically liquify organs. Of course that is assuming this is a blood lusted spidy.

Steven Pinhead
05-25-2007, 08:21 PM
Kimimaro goes down hard.

I am a firm believer in the idea that healthy Kimimaro is not much stronger than Retrieval Arc Kimimaro.

A
05-25-2007, 08:23 PM
Couldent Kimmimaro make his bones harder than diamond?
And concrete is pretty unstable, It's not like Kimmimaro wouldent be able to break through it, how thick is the concrete by the way?

And Spider-man is not the one that enters a battle and go for an instant kill.

Cthulhu-versailles
05-25-2007, 08:42 PM
Spidy can punch through concrete like it was paper. Kimi's bones are not going to be so tough that he cannot take them out. Not to mention the fact that a full force punch from spidy would logically liquify organs. Of course that is assuming this is a blood lusted spidy.

What twisted brand of logic is this ? Kimi's bones are stated to be harder then Steel. Kimi's bones where also shown to endure against the pressure of Gaara's attacks, and thus have proven durability. Finally, Kimi's bones allowed him to effortlessly block Lee's kick. And while Lee's striking power isn't necessarily 15 tons, it's not some cake walk.

As for liquifying organs, that would occur against some noob normal human. Kimi is far from that, and quite frankly ,almost any naruto nins is as well. Further still, Kimi's physiology would allow him to take high powered punches to an even greater degree. In reality then, Spiderman would be hard pressed to hurt Kimimaro with his punches.

As for Spiderman's webbing, given that Cs2 was allowing kimi to simply run through and out of Gaara's sand, and given the very fact we know Cs2 gives a raw power boost, Kimi could possibly just tear out of the webs, if positioned right. Not to mention he won't be easily caught. In fact, Kimmi has a great deal of proven raw power in that Lee stated he would be crippled if just Kimi's tail hit him. Not to mention Cs2 Sasuke and Naruto fight, and the raw power they showed there.

-At close range, Spiderman has been hit by lizard, Scorpion, and many others. Kimi is about as fast as weightless Lee and skilled in taijutsu + has bone surprises. This is more then enough to tag spiderman and keep pressing him. Finally, Last dance means Spiderman would have to jump up and dodge, and would be damn open to attack. Last dance is also a counter to if Kimi gets completly insneered by the webbing.

Kimi wins.

King Bookah
05-25-2007, 08:44 PM
Wouldn't punching Kimi be futile? Can't he sprout sharp bones from his body? If so, punching wouldn't do Spidey a lick of good. Plus Kimi is no slouch in the strength department either, since he broke free while being buring by tons and tons of sand underground.

Even with that, I think it could still go either way. Plus, I don't know much about comic Spidey. So carry on

Gunners
05-25-2007, 08:47 PM
Spiderman would get beaten up.

Enclave
05-25-2007, 10:06 PM
What twisted brand of logic is this ? Kimi's bones are stated to be harder then Steel. Kimi's bones where also shown to endure against the pressure of Gaara's attacks, and thus have proven durability. Finally, Kimi's bones allowed him to effortlessly block Lee's kick. And while Lee's striking power isn't necessarily 15 tons, it's not some cake walk.

As for liquifying organs, that would occur against some noob normal human. Kimi is far from that, and quite frankly ,almost any naruto nins is as well. Further still, Kimi's physiology would allow him to take high powered punches to an even greater degree. In reality then, Spiderman would be hard pressed to hurt Kimimaro with his punches.

As for Spiderman's webbing, given that Cs2 was allowing kimi to simply run through and out of Gaara's sand, and given the very fact we know Cs2 gives a raw power boost, Kimi could possibly just tear out of the webs, if positioned right. Not to mention he won't be easily caught. In fact, Kimmi has a great deal of proven raw power in that Lee stated he would be crippled if just Kimi's tail hit him. Not to mention Cs2 Sasuke and Naruto fight, and the raw power they showed there.

-At close range, Spiderman has been hit by lizard, Scorpion, and many others. Kimi is about as fast as weightless Lee and skilled in taijutsu + has bone surprises. This is more then enough to tag spiderman and keep pressing him. Finally, Last dance means Spiderman would have to jump up and dodge, and would be damn open to attack. Last dance is also a counter to if Kimi gets completly insneered by the webbing.

Kimi wins.

Not all his bones are ultra durable and he wouldn't think he needed his ultra durable bones until he was actually hit by Spidy. Besides, even with how strong they are Spidy should be capable of breaking a number of his bones except the thickest of them. I think people often forget just how strong Class 20 is.

Also, bone breaking isn't the only thing as I had already mentioned. Full force punches from spidy should be enough to basically destroy organs, even Kimi's bones are not going to absorb the impact of the attacks so his organs are still going to be liquified.

Pein
05-25-2007, 10:25 PM
Not all his bones are ultra durable and he wouldn't think he needed his ultra durable bones until he was actually hit by Spidy. Besides, even with how strong they are Spidy should be capable of breaking a number of his bones except the thickest of them. I think people often forget just how strong Class 20 is.

Also, bone breaking isn't the only thing as I had already mentioned. Full force punches from spidy should be enough to basically destroy organs, even Kimi's bones are not going to absorb the impact of the attacks so his organs are still going to be liquified.

yes they are his bones are harder than steel the bone an his body are all strong he can make them harder if he wants.
spiderman is class 20 more like a 15.
if he can get close to kimmi with out being skewered then i would give it to spidey but until then kimmi takes this

Gunners
05-25-2007, 10:28 PM
Not all his bones are ultra durable and he wouldn't think he needed his ultra durable bones until he was actually hit by Spidy. Besides, even with how strong they are Spidy should be capable of breaking a number of his bones except the thickest of them. I think people often forget just how strong Class 20 is.
If his bones are broken he can easily rip them out and replace them. That is exactly what he does in the manga.

I don't see Spiderman winning this fight, he would get torn to shreds in the long run.

The Foot Of Justice
05-25-2007, 10:30 PM
Was there a difference between anime version and manga?

Pimp of Pimps
05-25-2007, 10:34 PM
Was there a difference between anime version and manga?

No I don't think so.

IMO spider-man wins

Peak
05-25-2007, 10:39 PM
I don't see Spider-Man winning this fight.
The bones might be to much for him.

Pimp of Pimps
05-25-2007, 10:41 PM
I wish people would stop making healthy Kimi threads, we know so little about him. my last post was assuming he wasn't healthy.

I don't know what to think anymore.

King Bookah
05-25-2007, 10:42 PM
Poly, just pretend he's exactly the same, only without the sickness death time limit. Kimi's the same, only he won't die from the sickness.

Enclave
05-25-2007, 10:45 PM
yes they are his bones are harder than steel the bone an his body are all strong he can make them harder if he wants.
spiderman is class 20 more like a 15.
if he can get close to kimmi with out being skewered then i would give it to spidey but until then kimmi takes this

I've seen him written as Class 20 fairly recently.

Stark had him marked as Class 15 though, however that was in the report he sent to the President so he may have for some unknown reason lied a little about Spidy's abilities. Either way I have seen him labeled as Class 20 more recently than I saw him labeled as Class 15.

Anyways, people still have not addressed my statement about organ liquifying.

Also even if he was class 15 (which he supposedly isn't) then that is still strong enough to bend/break steel of a decent thickness.

Pein
05-25-2007, 10:45 PM
Poly, just pretend he's exactly the same, only without the sickness death time limit. Kimi's the same, only he won't die from the sickness.

isnt that what it means him not getting weak from the disease he has

King Bookah
05-25-2007, 10:52 PM
isnt that what it means him not getting weak from the disease he has

Well, yeah basically. My post was just poorly worded.

Gunners
05-25-2007, 10:52 PM
Was there a difference between anime version and manga?
There were diffrences between the anime version and the manga version. In the anime version kimi manly grew extra bones, in the manga he ripped out current ones and regrew what he took.

Pimp of Pimps
05-25-2007, 10:54 PM
From Enclave's post it seems spidey would win.

The Foot Of Justice
05-25-2007, 10:54 PM
There were diffrences between the anime version and the manga version. In the anime version kimi manly grew extra bones, in the manga he ripped out current ones and regrew what he took.

Ok, than your past post is irrelevant, as we are using the anime version. :)

Gunners
05-25-2007, 10:55 PM
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=24355 there that thread has the diffrence between anime and manga versions.

Anyway I give the match to Kimimaro. He escaped Gaara brutal assaults. He was able to hold Juugo back without killing him and suffering any damage to himself. I see spiderman getting toasted this match.

Bullet
05-26-2007, 12:45 AM
Spiderman wins. He's face far tuffer opponents than Kimmimaro.

omg laser pew pew!
05-26-2007, 01:24 AM
Spiderman wins. He's face far tuffer opponents than Kimmimaro.

That's such a stupid reason

thegoodjae
05-26-2007, 01:30 AM
A>B>C is retarded unless it is about the same verse and even then it is retarded.

Yōkai
05-26-2007, 01:40 AM
Kimimaro FTW

Unlike people like Sasori, Kimi is remarkable fast and skilled in combat, in cs2 he has the strenght to rip spidey to shreds, and his durability, regen and counters would totally screw Spidey.

Spidey cant possibly win this match, unless he resorts to massive webbing

oh and.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/GoSpacemanSpiff/ThreadBombs/dogretard.jpg
^This goes for anyone who says that Kimimaro was ¨fatally ill but not handicaped during his matches¨.
seriously , try to use common sense, for a change.

atom
05-26-2007, 01:43 AM
*Yawns* I'm bored with this thread. How about I end it?

Do you think someone who does this will win.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/urzathetyrant/funnycomic_auntmay.jpg

Pein
05-26-2007, 04:10 AM
*Yawns* I'm bored with this thread. How about I end it?

Do you think someone who does this will win.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/urzathetyrant/funnycomic_auntmay.jpg

that scan is full of win

Yōkai
05-26-2007, 04:41 AM
^:rofl:rofl:rofl

potential
05-26-2007, 05:42 AM
I love spidey and all but he simply cant get close enough to do damage to Kimi. If he gets within 5 yards he is getting impaled. One thing that might help is his spidey sense which would let evade danger but he wont win. Now it is debateble whether Kimi can hit Spidey with all that broken spidey sense and all so it's most likely a tie. Simply because Spidey's broken Spidey sense will save him from danger.

EvilMoogle
05-26-2007, 05:51 AM
I love spidey and all but he simply cant get close enough to do damage to Kimi. If he gets within 5 yards he is getting impaled. One thing that might help is his spidey sense which would let evade danger but he wont win. Now it is debateble whether Kimi can hit Spidey with all that broken spidey sense and all so it's most likely a tie. Simply because Spidey's broken Spidey sense will save him from danger.

Let's work from there. Even assuming that Kimi's fast/strong enough to avoid/not get hurt by Spidey what happens as the fight goes on?

Kimi's got a limit of Chakra, he can only use his bone attacks/defenses until his Chakra runs out, once that happens, he's a normal human. So if it's "they can't hurt each other" Spidey wins when Kimi runs out of Chakra.

Of course, I think Spidey wins a good deal before that but I'll humor the thread...

Yōkai
05-26-2007, 06:18 AM
Let's work from there. Even assuming that Kimi's fast/strong enough to avoid/not get hurt by Spidey what happens as the fight goes on?

Kimi's got a limit of Chakra, he can only use his bone attacks/defenses until his Chakra runs out, once that happens, he's a normal human. So if it's "they can't hurt each other" Spidey wins when Kimi runs out of Chakra.

Of course, I think Spidey wins a good deal before that but I'll humor the thread...

Let's work from there. Even assuming that Kimi's fast/strong enough to avoid/not get hurt by Spidey what happens as the fight goes on?

Kimi's got a limit of Chakra, he can only use his bone attacks/defenses until his Chakra runs out, once that happens, he's a normal human. So if it's "they can't hurt each other" Spidey wins when Kimi runs out of Chakra.

Of course, I think Spidey wins a good deal before that but I'll humor the thread...
WROONG

His dances dont require any chakra, as they are listed as taijutsu in the databook, they just require the proper stamina.

And btw, can you show me kimimaro whining about lack of chakra or even mentioning the word ¨chakra¨ even once?

NO

From what we have seen, he can use his morphic bones effortlessly, and he can also regen efortlessly from any possible damage, spidey cant do jack to him.

CS2 Kimimaro was unscathed by thousands of tons of sand trying to crush him, Spidey punches cant do nothing against him.

nor to mention Kimi can just bobwire himself making more dificult to spidey to land a hit withou losing a limb.

The only hope spidey has is to keep his distance and throw webs, so he can at least inmovilize Kimi, but if a freakin desert over him was unable to do the trick , i have my doubts about the webs.

Kimimaro wins anyway

potential
05-26-2007, 06:20 AM
So now its a match of stamina?

Yōkai
05-26-2007, 06:26 AM
Kimimaro has 4.5 in stamina, not bad, considering that many people thinks that Kakashi would give spidey a good run for his money with his miserable 3.0

mystictrunks
05-26-2007, 06:30 AM
Spidey wil shot web at kimmi and take this easily.

Pein
05-26-2007, 06:43 AM
Spidey wil shot web at kimmi and take this easily.

your not serious are you

mystictrunks
05-26-2007, 06:58 AM
your not serious are you

how do kimmimaro escaped webbed?

Blix
05-26-2007, 07:26 AM
This has already been said by multiples, Kimmimaro would easily win...its impossible if he didn't. All Spider man can do is shoot webs and punch. The punching is a negative cause Kimi can spike him self and impale spider man. Spider man uses webs,kimi cuts them. Nothing spiderman does can defeat him.

The Sentry
05-26-2007, 10:54 AM
Kimmimaro wins this

Fuujin
05-26-2007, 12:17 PM
Kimimaro's bone forest>Spidey

Enclave
05-26-2007, 12:32 PM
Ah, so people still have not countered what I said. Honestly I didn't expect anybody to as logic fail's often in threads like this.

Oh and the Bone Forest attack would be rather useless against Spidy. It doesn't have 100% coverage and his spider-sense would direct him to a safe area. Then Kimi wouldn't be able to come out of one of his bones and surprise Spidy without again the Spider-Sense alerting him beforehand.

EvilMoogle
05-26-2007, 12:35 PM
WROONG

His dances dont require any chakra, as they are listed as taijutsu in the databook, they just require the proper stamina.
*sigh* Look, let me make this simple.

Every time you see someone in Naruto do something that should be physically impossible, they're using Chakra to do it. This was introduced WAY back during the Zabuza arc.

When Sasuke moves faster than physically possible, or when Rock Lee punches harder than he "should" be able to, they're using Chakra to amplify their abilities. This has been stated many times throughout the series. Unless it was stated that Kimmimaro is an exception to this (it wasn't), he's subject to the same rules.


And btw, can you show me kimimaro whining about lack of chakra or even mentioning the word ¨chakra¨ even once?

NO
No Limits Fallacy. Just because he wasn't shown to have a limit doesn't mean that said limit exists.

A better question, can you show me where Kimmimaro said "my bloodline limit allows me to produce infinite attacks, I don't need Chakra, I'll keep going forever. Or I would if I wasn't sick."?


From what we have seen, he can use his morphic bones effortlessly, and he can also regen efortlessly from any possible damage, spidey cant do jack to him.
He can regen his bones (obviously) and the skin surrounding them. There's nothing to hint he has any ability to heal anything else. And his regenning likely takes Chakra anyway.

CS2 Kimimaro was unscathed by thousands of tons of sand trying to crush him, Spidey punches cant do nothing against him.
Lets do a logic check. Say Joe Anybody goes out and gets in a fight with Steve Nobody. After a few minutes of fighting, Steve's knocked out. Did Joe have to shatter his skull to do it? Or is it more likely that the momentum of his attacks simply transfered through the thick skull bones and bounced the brain around a bit?

Even if Spidey can't break Kimimaro's bones, he can still hurt him just the same way that hypothetical Joe did above. There are injuries other than broken bones (and in fact most fights end without broken bones).


nor to mention Kimi can just bobwire himself making more dificult to spidey to land a hit withou losing a limb.
That is true, though in fairness Spidey's dealt with worse and either toughed it out or made a counter (webbed up hands is a general strategy).

earthshine
05-26-2007, 12:54 PM
people saying kimmi would win have apparently no real knowledge of spiderman.



first off, kimmi's bones do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT protect him from spiderman's attacks. people forget exactly how strong spiderman is.



even before he got his recent power boost(he is alot stronger now), he could toss around cars and the like if he wanted to(he could lift 15 tons, cars only weigh 2-3, if that), and once he even flipped over a train car just by flicking it.



I don't care how strong kimmi's bones are, a hit to the head by a spiderman going all out would slam his brain aroud inside his skull and at the least give him a concussion, if not outright kill him. having strong bones does not keep the force of the blow from jaring around your organs.




as for kimmi hitting spiderman: no. spiderman can dodge bullets that are inches away from him(he has time to look at the bullet while it is a few inches from him, think about it, then dodge), and has an ability that pretty much acts like precognition.




anyone who says kimmi takes this is bullshitting. one hit from spiderman in either the body or the head would severely damage all organs that are in them.

Fuujin
05-26-2007, 03:04 PM
I heard that Venom could lift cars with ease, whereas Spiderman could lift cars with great effort.

EvilMoogle
05-26-2007, 03:17 PM
I heard that Venom could lift cars with ease, whereas Spiderman could lift cars with great effort.

You heard wrong. Spider-man quite easily throws cars at targets a block away.

Aokiji
05-26-2007, 03:29 PM
Couldent Kimmimaro make his bones harder than diamond?
And concrete is pretty unstable, It's not like Kimmimaro wouldent be able to break through it, how thick is the concrete by the way?

And Spider-man is not the one that enters a battle and go for an instant kill.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sylar
05-26-2007, 03:34 PM
Can Kimimaro cut Spidey's webs?

If not, he can't win.

Fuujin
05-26-2007, 03:57 PM
Still any attack Spidey makes Kimi can't counter by random bones coming out of him like he did with Lee. Eventually Spiderman would get tired but Kimi wouldn't since he has unlimited chakra according to the rules of this battle.

shadowlords
05-26-2007, 04:14 PM
cosmic spiderman for the win

Enclave
05-26-2007, 04:17 PM
Yes! If Kimi is allowed to have infinite chakra then Spidy gets the Uni power!

Gunners
05-26-2007, 04:19 PM
Yes! If Kimi is allowed to have infinite chakra then Spidy gets the Uni power!
Huh? Those saying Kimimaro will eventually tire, the same would apply to Spiderman right?

Enclave
05-26-2007, 04:20 PM
Huh? Those saying Kimimaro will eventually tire, the same would apply to Spiderman right?

Spidy will eventually tire but people often forget that he does have super human stamina. He isn't going to tire out any time soon.

Gunners
05-26-2007, 04:32 PM
Spidy will eventually tire but people often forget that he does have super human stamina. He isn't going to tire out any time soon.
Kimimaro wouldn't tire anytime soon. His stamina is above that of a normal humans too. Considering the shit he pulled of against Gaara he didn't break a sweat.

That was when most normal people would be lieing in a bed dieing. He did what he did on willpower alone. His stamina is anything but normal.

Pein
05-26-2007, 04:35 PM
Kimimaro wouldn't tire anytime soon. His stamina is above that of a normal humans too. Considering the shit he pulled of against Gaara he didn't break a sweat.

That was when most normal people would be lieing in a bed dieing. He did what he did on willpower alone. His stamina is anything but normal.

and throw in the extra stamina and power cs2 gives spidey loses kimmi wins

Seany
05-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Webbing is the key to Spidey's victory here. Even Wolverine coludn't brake out of it.
If Kimi can't brake free then Spidey automatically wins.

Enclave
05-26-2007, 05:33 PM
and throw in the extra stamina and poer cs2 gives spidey loses kimmi wins

From what we have heard from Sasuke, the curse seal and curse seal 2 actually drains stamina. He had the end his fight with Naruto quickly.

Pein
05-26-2007, 05:59 PM
From what we have heard from Sasuke, the curse seal and curse seal 2 actually drains stamina. He had the end his fight with Naruto quickly.

he has unlimited cs2 so it wont be a problem for him to keep the cs2 for however long the batle lasts

masamune1
05-26-2007, 05:59 PM
From what we have heard from Sasuke, the curse seal and curse seal 2 actually drains stamina. He had the end his fight with Naruto quickly.

Kimimaro can use CS2 without limit in this match.

With regards to Spidey's punches; Kimi would probably survive. His bones- which he can use like another layer of skin- are hard as steel, so Spiderman will have a hard time against him (though they woul probably be some of the hardest punches Kimi has ever felt in his life). If spidey does'nt know what he's up against, he's likely to hold back as well (othrwise Doc Ock would be long dead).

Kimi should be able to cut through Spiderman's webbing with relative ease, considerig he can make bones come out of any part of his body. Kimi's own attacks will be painful for Spidey, too (esp. in Curse Seal form), and will be a lot more efficient (since Kimimaro is actually trained in this sort of thing). Clinging to walls won't help much against a Naruto-nin, either. If Parker get's caught in Dance of the Seedling Fern; well, his spider-sense will help, but he'll have a hard time with it, particularly since Kimi can seemingly appear anywhere at will in that Bone forest.

Nonetheless, Spiderman is smarter, and more agile; ideal since they are near a foresty area (where Peter should take the fight). Kimimaro will be a tough opponent, but I'm going to say Spiderman will find a way to win.

Blix
05-26-2007, 06:14 PM
Now that I think about it...this fight is one sided... You're making a character have unlimited stamina over spider man who has no power ups? If you said kimi wasnt sick and healthy then maybe it might flat out.

Pein
05-26-2007, 06:17 PM
Now that I think about it...this fight is one sided... You're making a character have unlimited stamina over spider man who has no power ups? If you said kimi wasnt sick and healthy then maybe it might flat out.

its not unlimited stamina i just dont want kimmi getting exhausted from cs2
The fight is not one sided because alot of people say spidey and somesay kimmi.

Blix
05-26-2007, 06:26 PM
healthy kimmimaro with unlimited cs2 this is the anime kimmi
vs
spiderman

battle takes place where garra and kimmi fought so wins?

Correct me if im wrong but i read your post as unlimited cs2, which is basically saying that he has unlimited stamina

Pein
05-26-2007, 06:53 PM
Correct me if im wrong but i read your post as unlimited cs2, which is basically saying that he has unlimited stamina

let me try and rephrase it as best as I can him having unlimited cs2 means that him being in that mode is the same as being regular its his natural state he can get tired but he wont be getting tired from using cs2.
Hope that explains it.

Blix
05-26-2007, 06:57 PM
let me try and rephrase it as best as I can him having unlimited cs2 means that him being in that mode is the same as being regular its his natural state he can get tired but he wont be getting tired from using cs2.
Hope that explains it.

Thank you for the clear up:laugh

Yōkai
05-26-2007, 09:33 PM
*sigh* Look, let me make this simple.

Every time you see someone in Naruto do something that should be physically impossible, they're using Chakra to do it. This was introduced WAY back during the Zabuza arc.

*speaking to himself *
I knew, i knew i should have posted a scan to avoid the eternal kiddy claim

¨everything requires chakraa!¨:arg

i knew it

Read it.
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/090/naruto-10-9-04.jpg
Pay attention
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/090/naruto-10-9-03.jpg

Taijutsu techniques dont require ANY chakra
although chakra can be used to enhance some taijutsu tecnhiques, such as Hyuuga's gentle fist.

Kimimaro dont need any chakra to manipulate his bones, as his dances are listed as taijutsu in the databook:nod


No Limits Fallacy. Just because he wasn't shown to have a limit doesn't mean that said limit exists.

considering that he was :

-fighting with one foot on the grave,
-withstood and used insane attacks
-outlasted a jinchuriki like Gaara, after fighting 2 nins before him
-manipulated his bloodline all the time seemingly effortlessly

yet he never complained about lack of chakra, not even once, (like pretty much everyone else does in Naruto) there's only two possibilties.

-he doesn't need chakra
-his chakra supply is monstrous, kisame style

A better question, can you show me where Kimmimaro said "my bloodline limit allows me to produce infinite attacks, I don't need Chakra, I'll keep going forever. Or I would if I wasn't sick."?

Kimimaro is clearly not your average ninja, his body works in a very differenet way than all the other does, that's why Kabuto said he couldn't cure him, lack of knowledge about such a weird body

Kimimaro could be not submitted by the same rules of the other nins
and you cant argue against this idea without having proof, and you dont have any.

Anyway, Kimi should have way more stamina than Spidey



He can regen his bones (obviously) and the skin surrounding them. There's nothing to hint he has any ability to heal anything else. And his regenning likely takes Chakra anyway.
FAIL

He can obviously regen his insides aswell, and control his bleeding, i think he can even regen organs, you know, skin and bones are organs after all, and the bones are clearly piercing vital parts at some points.

retracting bones in the chest area
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p05.png

he MUST be piercing some organs here
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/212/naruto_ch212_p04.png


and again, his dances dont require chakra, and he regens without even flinching.
Remember Tsuande's and Sakura's ETERNAL WHINING about how much chakra requires to use healing abilities.

The fact that Kimimaro can regen seemingly effortlessly

can only mean, again:
-No chakra required
-enormous chakra supply


Lets do a logic check. Say Joe Anybody goes out and gets in a fight with Steve Nobody. After a few minutes of fighting, Steve's knocked out. Did Joe have to shatter his skull to do it? Or is it more likely that the momentum of his attacks simply transfered through the thick skull bones and bounced the brain around a bit?
blahblahblah sure. Kimi can take the crushing pressure of thousands of tons over his head unscathered, but he'll get kod by spideys punches, who can barely lift 20, right?

Even if Spidey can't break Kimimaro's bones, he can still hurt him just the same way that hypothetical Joe did above. There are injuries other than broken bones (and in fact most fights end without broken bones).
even if he somehow takes a damage from spidey, he regenerates just as fast.


The only hope for spidey to win is to run away and throw webs like crazy.
( if it wasn't for the spidersense i'd say spidey is totally screwed btw).

he cant hurt Kimimaro. his strenght is a joke here. Only if he webs kimi to the point Kimi can't move anymore, he could pull a win, and even then
Kimi could escape with the boneyard like he did with Gaaras' burial, heck, its even debatable if Kimi can rip the webs or not.

However Kimimaro wins, he's outta spidey's league, spidey has a better chance against Kakashi or Sasori:nod

Enclave
05-26-2007, 10:07 PM
Time to send this match into the joke battle. Kimi has been given unlimited chakra, stamina and CS2.

When you have to handicap 1 character so much then the fight is pointless.

How about we do a Kimi vs Superman thread? Of course we are going to have to lower Superman's strength, speed, intelligence, durability...hell lets just take Superman and impose Ten Ten's abilities on him instead of his Kryptonian abilities. There, totally fair!

Yōkai
05-26-2007, 10:51 PM
and even with unlimited stamina, here we have most of you ppl claiming that Kimi would lose.

speaking about underestimating characters .... -_-

Kimi can kick spidey's ass with or without powerups

thegoodjae
05-26-2007, 11:10 PM
Why are you pissed he got power ups? The OP was trying to make the match fair, that is all.

Sylar
05-26-2007, 11:29 PM
and even with unlimited stamina, here we have most of you ppl claiming that Kimi would lose.

speaking about underestimating characters .... -_-

Kimi can kick spidey's ass with or without powerups

I still say Kimi can't cut through Spidey's web......

thegoodjae
05-26-2007, 11:32 PM
^?

So sharp bones harder than steel(CS2 mode) can't cut his webs? What about his special sword attack. I mean spidey had blunt forces blocked but I think Kimi can stab or slice his way through.

Pimp of Pimps
05-26-2007, 11:34 PM
From what I hear spidey can bend steel pretty bad. And since Kimi's bones have the properties of regular bone, that means spidey can break his bones.

Sylar
05-26-2007, 11:34 PM
Wolverine couldn't cut through with his ADAMANTIUM claws.

No I don't think Kimi's steel bones could do it.

Pimp of Pimps
05-26-2007, 11:37 PM
Yeah, Kimi is fucked.

King Bookah
05-26-2007, 11:38 PM
Wolverine couldn't cut through with his ADAMANTIUM claws.

No I don't think Kimi's steel bones could do it.

Well, if that's true, I pick Spidey. ADAMANTIUM>>>>>>>>>whatever Kimi has

Darklyre
05-26-2007, 11:40 PM
Kimi can't make his bones sharp enough to cut the webbing, and he's not strong enough to simply rip through it like Juggernaut can. Spidey simply webs him up in a cocoon and flings him underwater somewhere.

Giovanni Rild
05-27-2007, 12:16 AM
That's because his webbing is gooey. It's like trying to cut pudding. I don't think Kiminaro wouldn't get caught by webbing in the first place.

Pein
05-27-2007, 12:18 AM
Kimi can't make his bones sharp enough to cut the webbing, and he's not strong enough to simply rip through it like Juggernaut can. Spidey simply webs him up in a cocoon and flings him underwater somewhere.

kimmi would'nt let himself get webbed he is faster than that

Pimp of Pimps
05-27-2007, 12:22 AM
That's because his webbing is gooey. It's like trying to cut pudding. I don't think Kiminaro wouldn't get caught by webbing in the first place.

kimmi would'nt let himself get webbed he is faster than that

This is Spiderman we are talking about here, S-P-I-D-E-R-M-A-N.

Perfect Moron
05-27-2007, 01:15 AM
*speaking to himself *
~snip fanwank about Kimi not using chakra
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/217/naruto_ch217_p05.png.
Gaara: This great ability has been overused... You have no chakra left...

blahblahblah sure. Kimi can take the crushing pressure of thousands of tons over his head unscathered, but he'll get kod by spideys punches, who can barely lift 20, right?

Congratulations. You proved Kimi is really hard on the outside, something everyone already agrees on. You really don't get the point, do you? He's talking about the impact from the punches shaking his brain around. Sure, the crushing pressure from "thousands" of tons of sand is great, but it bounces his head around about as much as a single ton would: not much! He's not talking about crushing damage from the punches. Getting knocked is about inner damage, something Kimi's steel bones or regeneration abilities don't prevent him from receiving.

Cthulhu-versailles
05-27-2007, 01:18 AM
Not all his bones are ultra durable and he wouldn't think he needed his ultra durable bones until he was actually hit by Spidy. Besides, even with how strong they are Spidy should be capable of breaking a number of his bones except the thickest of them. I think people often forget just how strong Class 20 is.

Also, bone breaking isn't the only thing as I had already mentioned. Full force punches from spidy should be enough to basically destroy organs, even Kimi's bones are not going to absorb the impact of the attacks so his organs are still going to be liquified.

All your points are based on underestimations of Narutoverse strength and durability. In short, it's quite laughable and down right stupid to think 15 tons is going to liquify someone like Lee,Sasuke, or Kimi organs. Why ? This is why. All Naruto genins have shown a degree of superhuman strength and durability. They are not normal and neither is there durability to blunt force. Naruto chars have shown to exchange blows and take each other hits. This alone indicates they can cushion strong blows, and that their brains aren't raped like some normal noob human. Take Base Sasuke for example. Lee has hit Sasuke clean several times. He has hit him with his legs and hands. Lee striking strength is easily, at least 5 tons. Evidence= the weights and speed he can maintain with them, as well as the damn tree he uprooted with one hand. Hell, base Sasuke toke a hit from Jirobu and flipped to recover.

-The point is 15 tons is far from being enough to liquify, mush less even necessarily badly injure a decently durable Naruto character. In kimi's case, he has already shown durability and toke Lee's hit in base. Moreover, Kimi also has a great deal of implied durability, in that he could hold of Juugo and that he would evidently not get killed by one hit from base Jirobu. Fyi, Base Jirobu has more then 15 ton strength. Go Calculate the size of the rock he picked up and tossed and see for yourself. Anyway, in Cs2, kimi is far more durable and far stronger. This is fact. Cs2 is stronger and more durable to a point that any chance spiderman has of even hurting kimi is null. Whereas Kimi's power increase dictates he can badly hurt Spiderman. Ex: Kimi's tail swing was going to destroy lee. Also, him tearing threw Gaara sand is further proof.

Conclusion-
1-Spiderman breaking a single bone is a baseless argument. Show me a scan of Spiderman punching cleanly threw things stated to be stronger then steel, and maybe then you might have an argument. However, even if you did, Cs1 already negates Spidey's chance of punching threw kimi. Why? Cs1 kimi has shown to catch high speed punches, faster then anything spiderman can ever throw, effortlessly. Kimi is also not dealing with a verse of weak people either.

Kimi wins. Spiderman is overwhealmed at cloze combat, the end.

Sylar
05-27-2007, 01:33 AM
Kimi.

Can't.

Escape.

Spidey's.

Web.

How the hell can he win?

FireEel
05-27-2007, 01:43 AM
What about giving Kimmimaro full adamantium bones then?

No seriously. Spiderman is outmatched here. If he actually webbed Kimmi up, Kimmi could simply spam Dance of the Seedling Ferns and emerged elsewhere.

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/217/naruto_ch217_p05.png.
Gaara: This great ability has been overused... You have no chakra left...

And right after Gaara ASSUMED he ran outta chakra, Kimmi pulled off Dance of The Seedling Ferns.

So what does that mean? It either means Gaara was dead wrong and Kimmi still had plenty of chakra, or spamming DoTSF doesn't require chakra.

Perfect Moron
05-27-2007, 01:52 AM
^ Or that Kimi used his remaining chakra in his last attack.

atom
05-27-2007, 01:57 AM
Didn't I end this thread pages ago?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/urzathetyrant/funnycomic_auntmay.jpg
Look what "Spiderman" does daily. Kimmi rape.

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 02:28 AM
Are you serious Sylar?

You must have some weird logic thinking Kimi and Wolverine was automatically swing with same force. Sure Wolv has addy claws but does he swing nearly as strong or fast as Kimi or even have stab. The length of Kimi's CS2 bones, thickness, and swinging force of Kimi all differ from Wolverines three little claws skinny claws, and barely super human swing. Kimi can also catch way more momentum.

Sylar
05-27-2007, 02:31 AM
What momentum?

If you're stuck in a staionary position, you don't have any momentum.

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 02:36 AM
Your swingin momemtum, the longer and heavier a sword or something similar is, the more momemtum it can pick up.

Also, who in the hell said Kimi is already stuck in a BUNCH of spidey's web anyways? I am guessing people thought Kimi just stood still until he got all webbed?

Sylar
05-27-2007, 02:39 AM
Spidey has webbed people up who were MUCH faster than Kimi.

atom
05-27-2007, 02:41 AM
Can't Kimmi go underground? If so, he just stays there and spams bones until Spidy dies.

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 02:47 AM
Proof?

Kimi had fast enough reaction time to go against Drunken Rock Lee base form without caring. His combat speed might not be the fastest but his reaction time is certainly one of the best.

Pimp of Pimps
05-27-2007, 03:35 AM
Proof?

Kimi had fast enough reaction time to go against Drunken Rock Lee base form without caring. His combat speed might not be the fastest but his reaction time is certainly one of the best.

spidey has spider sense.

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 03:39 AM
And I don't know that? Spidey senses are basically super human senses. Basically what Neji has except worse.

Pimp of Pimps
05-27-2007, 03:41 AM
:rotfl .........

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 03:54 AM
Why laugh? Spidey senses sense danger when it is about to hit him. Neji has 359 vision. What is so funny? Spidey even sensing some danger gets hit as well if coming from multiple directions.

omg laser pew pew!
05-27-2007, 04:24 AM
And I don't know that? Spidey senses are basically super human senses. Basically what Neji has except worse.

You're comparing apples and oranges, Spider sense is more akin to Sharingan than Byukugun.

atom
05-27-2007, 04:46 AM
spidey has spider sense.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/urzathetyrant/funnycomic_auntmay.jpg

Spidey sense that...

Peter uses his spidey sense to masterbait.

Fuujin
05-27-2007, 07:33 AM
Spiderman tries to punch Kimi. He gets impaled.
Spiderman tries to trap Kimi with web, he uses DOTSF and escapes.
Spidey has spider-sense he can't get hit! Lets remember that spidey gets hit/captured all the time by villains so why should Kimi be any different? He would impale him/slash him

Kimi wins this one folks

omg laser pew pew!
05-27-2007, 08:49 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/urzathetyrant/funnycomic_auntmay.jpg

Spidey sense that...

Peter uses his spidey sense to masterbait.

Please, you've killed the picture. Stop it

shadowlords
05-27-2007, 09:29 AM
Spiderman tries to punch Kimi. He gets impaled.
Spiderman tries to trap Kimi with web, he uses DOTSF and escapes.
Spidey has spider-sense he can't get hit! Lets remember that spidey gets hit/captured all the time by villains so why should Kimi be any different? He would impale him/slash him

Kimi wins this one folks


Spider-man punches Kimi and he breaks Kimi's bones that try to come out and stop it.
Spider-man traps Kimi with web and Kimi gets stuck despite using his bones that are not stronger than adamantium. Kimimaro is supposedly insanely fast yet he gets caught by sand which isn't even supposed to move in the first place.
Spider-man's spidey sense is not limited to just immediate danger. It can sense people holding knives inside their pockets or people in disguise. Kimimaro's attacks have the advantage of surprise but Spider-man will know its coming and react to it.

Spider-man wins this one folks

Halcyon Days
05-27-2007, 10:04 AM
If kimi covers his entire body in the dance of pines its an almost instance loss for spider-man. I dont see spider-man risk skewering himself trying to get threw the hundreds of spikes coming from kimi's body.With that technique alone spderman has no way of getting to Kimi. No one would be stupid enough to try and punch a spike head on.

kimi wins...

Fuujin
05-27-2007, 10:06 AM
Spider-man punches Kimi and he breaks Kimi's bones that try to come out and stop it.
Spider-man traps Kimi with web and Kimi gets stuck despite using his bones that are not stronger than adamantium. Kimimaro is supposedly insanely fast yet he gets caught by sand which isn't even supposed to move in the first place.
Spider-man's spidey sense is not limited to just immediate danger. It can sense people holding knives inside their pockets or people in disguise. Kimimaro's attacks have the advantage of surprise but Spider-man will know its coming and react to it.

Spider-man wins this one folks

Try punching a knife, you'll see what I mean by this.
Spiderman's web can't get cut easily but the bone forest would stretch it so much it's tensile strength wouldn't be able to support it and it would rip, freeing Kimi.
Spider-sense isn't controlled by Spiderman and he probably wouldn't even listen to it if he hadn't seen the way Kimi's bones can spike out randomly. He would get spiked and pwned.

Kimi wins this one folks

Enclave
05-27-2007, 12:41 PM
All your points are based on underestimations of Narutoverse strength and durability. In short, it's quite laughable and down right stupid to think 15 tons is going to liquify someone like Lee,Sasuke, or Kimi organs. Why ? This is why. All Naruto genins have shown a degree of superhuman strength and durability. They are not normal and neither is there durability to blunt force. Naruto chars have shown to exchange blows and take each other hits. This alone indicates they can cushion strong blows, and that their brains aren't raped like some normal noob human. Take Base Sasuke for example. Lee has hit Sasuke clean several times. He has hit him with his legs and hands. Lee striking strength is easily, at least 5 tons. Evidence= the weights and speed he can maintain with them, as well as the damn tree he uprooted with one hand. Hell, base Sasuke toke a hit from Jirobu and flipped to recover.

-The point is 15 tons is far from being enough to liquify, mush less even necessarily badly injure a decently durable Naruto character. In kimi's case, he has already shown durability and toke Lee's hit in base. Moreover, Kimi also has a great deal of implied durability, in that he could hold of Juugo and that he would evidently not get killed by one hit from base Jirobu. Fyi, Base Jirobu has more then 15 ton strength. Go Calculate the size of the rock he picked up and tossed and see for yourself. Anyway, in Cs2, kimi is far more durable and far stronger. This is fact. Cs2 is stronger and more durable to a point that any chance spiderman has of even hurting kimi is null. Whereas Kimi's power increase dictates he can badly hurt Spiderman. Ex: Kimi's tail swing was going to destroy lee. Also, him tearing threw Gaara sand is further proof.

Conclusion-
1-Spiderman breaking a single bone is a baseless argument. Show me a scan of Spiderman punching cleanly threw things stated to be stronger then steel, and maybe then you might have an argument. However, even if you did, Cs1 already negates Spidey's chance of punching threw kimi. Why? Cs1 kimi has shown to catch high speed punches, faster then anything spiderman can ever throw, effortlessly. Kimi is also not dealing with a verse of weak people either.

Kimi wins. Spiderman is overwhealmed at cloze combat, the end.


Wow, so much effort and all I need to respond with is "Don't you think you might be over-estimating Naruto characters?"

Pein
05-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Wow, so much effort and all I need to respond with is "Don't you think you might be over-estimating Naruto characters?"

your underestimating naruto characters

AbnormallyNormal
05-27-2007, 01:04 PM
healthy CS2 kimmimaro TAKES IT WITH EASE AND PANACHE. the style and gracefulness of a healthy CS2 kimmimaro is beyond my comprehension. spiderman dies instantly. even though hes a good character. sorry but CS2 kimmimaro healthy is unstoppable unless you have hax or are like in a really strong universe, not the spidey-verse puh-lease. POSSIBLY carnage could win though, i dont even think vemon could.

Enclave
05-27-2007, 01:18 PM
your underestimating naruto characters

I'm really not. I've not seen anything to suggest they could take punches from somebody who is class 20 without being severely messed up. I also have not seen any evidence that ninja in the Naruto verse could produce the strength necessary to break Spidy's webs which are strong enough to hold Ironman (who is Class 80). I also have not seen any evidence to suggest that the Ninja's are as fast as Spidy (ie. capable of dodging bullets).

King Bookah
05-27-2007, 01:22 PM
On a random note, what class would Tsunade and Sakura be classified? (physical strength wise)

Enclave
05-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure. Their attack is more of an explosive impact than real super strength.

earthshine
05-27-2007, 01:44 PM
lmao, alot of people still think kimmi wins.



ok, let me explain something to you people:


Spiderman is stronger, faster, more agile, has webs that kimmi's weak ass steel bones don't have a chance in hell of breaking, and has beaten people way tougher then kimmi in the past.




spiderman's hits won't be stoped by kimmi's bone spikes. for one, spiderman can hit so fast that he won't even be able to put them out in time, and two because even of spiderman did get his arm or leg messed up, the force of the hit would still go through, and that means dead kimmi.



people still don't understand how strong spiderman is. for example, he once put a man and 2 cars in a giant web sack, picked them up with one hand and webslinged down the street with it. a punch from spiderman would jar around kimmi's brain inside his skull about 100 times, whch would most likely either make him a vegetable, or kill him.



being covered by tons of sand is not the same as having 15 tons of force concentrated into a small area, and swung at you at VERY high speeds.



as for speed, as I said before, spidermn can see bullets coming at him in mid air, think about it, then dodge them. he once had a pair of bullets following him, and he dodged them each and every time. he was also outrunning them(aka he was moving faster then the bullets).



spiderman's spidersense is pretty much precognition. it predicts where attacks will come from and has allowed spidey to dodge even high speed suprise attacks with time to spare.




as for kimmi hurting spidey: AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.



spiderman has survived being knocked around by the likes of hulk, you think a lo level superhuman like kimmi is going to be a problem?




spiderman takes this, nothing kimmi can do is going to be a problem for him. people are just not getting the sheer gap between the two in terms of strength and speed, and the fact that spiderman is strong enough to damage kimmi's organs without even breaking any bones(not to say he can't as he can bend steel quite easily, and bones snap when bent too hard).

atom
05-27-2007, 02:18 PM
Please, you've killed the picture. Stop it
Pictures aren't living, therefore they can't be killed. Therefore you fail. :D

Also, Kimi wins.

Pein
05-27-2007, 02:46 PM
On a random note, what class would Tsunade and Sakura be classified? (physical strength wise)

Sakura still needs training I dont think she can lift anything just punch and break things.
Tsunade is wtf strong she demonsted her strength by picking up gamabunta's sword
I dont know what you mean by class like marvel class levels she is up there definetly stronger than spiderman and he is a class 15.

Enclave
05-27-2007, 04:00 PM
Sakura still needs training I dont think she can lift anything just punch and break things.
Tsunade is wtf strong she demonsted her strength by picking up gamabunta's sword
I dont know what you mean by class like marvel class levels she is up there definetly stronger than spiderman and he is a class 15.

Spidy is class 20 in the most recent statement of what strength class he is.

Pein
05-27-2007, 04:02 PM
Spidy is class 20 in the most recent statement of what strength class he is.

well then tsunade is above class 20

Enclave
05-27-2007, 04:07 PM
well then tsunade is above class 20

That really depends on how much Gamabunta's sword weighs. Though it is likely above 20 tonnes.

Though I must say that Parker's supporting/lifting one of the Daily Bugle's support beams is more than anything Tsunade has done strength wise. They never really explained how a Class 10 (that was what he was at the time) could pull off that Class 100 feat.

Also if you recall Orochimaru did his best to avoid being punched by Tsunade as he knew it would mean he would die and he is the only one I have seen in the Naruto series who's organs themselves could likely take a whole lot more punishment than everybody elses simply due to his experiments. The guy just wasn't human anymore.

mystictrunks
05-27-2007, 04:10 PM
Spiderman picks up a tree. He hits Kimmi with it several times. Kimmi gets knocked out.

The end.

Hale
05-27-2007, 04:22 PM
Spiderman picks up a tree. He hits Kimmi with it several times. Kimmi gets knocked out.

The end.
Because that wood is harder then steel and being swung with more forces then ton's of gaara's sand:notrust

Enclave
05-27-2007, 04:25 PM
You need to learn the difference between pressure and force.

Something that can withstand say 100 tonnes of pressure cannot necessarily withstand 20 tonnes of force moving at an accellerated speed over a small surface area.

Hale
05-27-2007, 04:52 PM
You need to learn the difference between pressure and force.

Something that can withstand say 100 tonnes of pressure cannot necessarily withstand 20 tonnes of force moving at an accellerated speed over a small surface area.
Two things are wrong here , your assuming gaara's sand slowly moved around him and crushed kimmi. It Didn't. Gor this to be relevant spiderman would have to punch faster then gaara's sand which is slightly under weightless lee speed and two you ignored the first part of my post about the wood being harder then his bones which were denser then steel

Enclave
05-27-2007, 05:08 PM
Prove that it didn't just keep applying pressure to Kimi, oh what? You cannot? I know I saw no velocity in that sand, just crushing.

We didn't ignore it, we simply thought it a stupid argument.

Look at a old car for example. They were made of steel, steel is stronger than wood I assume you agree correct? Now if a tree fall's on one of those car's which do you think is going to be damaged? Here's a hint, the tree isn't going to be cracked in half, that car is going to be smushed even though it is made of the stronger material.

Hale
05-27-2007, 05:35 PM
Prove that it didn't just keep applying pressure to Kimi, oh what? You cannot? I know I saw no velocity in that sand, just crushing.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35653
Everything moving has velocity so your agument is moot, even more so proven by the scan as that sand has plenty of velocity, I don't know how you didn't see that.
Look at a old car for example. They were made of steel, steel is stronger than wood I assume you agree correct? Now if a tree fall's on one of those car's which do you think is going to be damaged? Here's a hint, the tree isn't going to be cracked in half, that car is going to be smushed even though it is made of the stronger material.
As for this completely pointless story. where is the most damage on the car gonna occur at the supports which are designed to hold up steel sheets which are less then an inch thick, is the engine block gonna be damage probably not, So let's look at it like this you used the example of 20 tons of force + velocity being greater then 100 tons of pressure if kimmimaru is holding his hand out with the same amount of fouce that he used to prevent himself from being crushed by 100 tons which item is gonna be damaged on impact the tree or his bones which are denser then steel and have more force behind them?

Enclave
05-27-2007, 05:58 PM
Where in that scan is there any velocity portrayed of the same level at which Spidy can throw a punch?

Also, it isn't a pointless example that I used. A falling tree can most certainly crack an engine block.

atom
05-27-2007, 06:28 PM
Are you guys really debating if a tree would knock Kimi out? LMAO!

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 07:40 PM
No matter the acceleration of the tree or the force, it would crack soon as hitting something hard and spikey as Kimi.

Cthulhu-versailles
05-27-2007, 07:42 PM
Wow, so much effort and all I need to respond with is "Don't you think you might be over-estimating Naruto characters?"

1-that toke very little effort because I am stating the obvious.:)
2- your response is a cop-out, seeing as you didn't and therefore can't counter any of my points.
3-the thing u typed after about tsunade possibly being weaker then spiderman means you're beyond reason and have some grave errors in your evalution of individual Nar chars, and Narutoverse strength.
4-You and anyone who thinks spiderman can dance around kimi without trouble needs to realize he has been tagged by people far slower who simply rush him and maintain close combat. Yeah, that doesn't take away from all the faster stuff he's dodged thx to Spider-sense, but it does establishes that Spider-Sense doesn't make him untouchable.

Kimi wins, but whatever. Believe what you want.:oh

thegoodjae
05-27-2007, 07:48 PM
Seriously, Doc Oc, the Rhino guy, and more have been able to hurt Spidey through sheer force even though they are slower than genins. Spidey senses aren't great as everyone put them too be.

Hale
05-27-2007, 07:49 PM
Where in that scan is there any velocity portrayed of the same level at which Spidy can throw a punch? I'm gonna say in the center left panel where the rushing sand is portrayed as a river and the fact that we know gaara's sand moves at near weightless lee speed, where is the evidence that spider man punches faster then that

Enclave
05-27-2007, 07:52 PM
Seriously, Doc Oc, the Rhino guy, and more have been able to hurt Spidey through sheer force even though they are slower than genins. Spidey senses aren't great as everyone put them too be.

Rhino has only hit Parker when he is distracted in some major way.

Doc Ock, well I would agree with you if it was punches from Doc Ock himself hitting Parker but it isn't it is the tentacles. You do know that those tentacles are actually VERY fast and can change direction with ease. Of course that kinda ruin's what you were just saying so of course you ignored that.

Also the effort wasn't in coming up with your "evidence" the effort was in typing it all out.

Also it isn't copping out, it is not being bothered to repeat myself too many times, gets frustrating you know.

Cthulhu-versailles
05-27-2007, 08:09 PM
Rhino has only hit Parker when he is distracted in some major way.

Doc Ock, well I would agree with you if it was punches from Doc Ock himself hitting Parker but it isn't it is the tentacles. You do know that those tentacles are actually VERY fast and can change direction with ease. Of course that kinda ruin's what you were just saying so of course you ignored that.

Also the effort wasn't in coming up with your "evidence" the effort was in typing it all out.

Also it isn't copping out, it is not being bothered to repeat myself too many times, gets frustrating you know

Ugh and Meh. You're the one causing frustration, if anything. Quite simply, you're ignoring evidence of strength in Narutoverse and you're ignoring evidence in marverl comics that dictates spider-man would be hit by someone of kimi's speed and fighting ability. You're also ignoring several other things regarding exchanges and such that occur in the fight. Point finale.

shadowlords
05-28-2007, 12:25 AM
dudes spider-man wins just get over it.

who said kimi was almost as fast as near weightless lee? rock lee broke through the sand with his speed without his weights whereas kimimaro had to charge through and break it with force. kimimaro has shown no speed greater than that of bullets and that is what spider man can dodge. kimimaro has shown no strength greater than the hulk which spider man has taken and survived against.

Halcyon Days
05-28-2007, 12:44 AM
How is spiderman upposed to break through kimi's dance of the pines. Kimi just lets endless needles stick out from his body. Spider man has human skin trying to punch directly a steel/bone spike, and risk it piercing his fist. Spiderman's skin isn't made of steel he aint no colossus so how is he supposed to punch a spike head-on without it piercing his skin and destroying his hands.

tinoxtreme
05-28-2007, 01:12 AM
All I'm saying is if spider-man could slow down classic juggernaut, who was basically a god incarnated, then I believe spider-man could own kimi.

Yōkai
05-28-2007, 01:43 AM
Spiderman defenders U FAIL

Kimimaro wont die by spidey's silly 15 ton punches, thinking otherwise is ridiculous. Kimi can take a freakin desert over his head, and survive the desert graveyard, (an attack that can, literally, liquify persons)
UNSCRATCHED. Gaara with the crushing power of whole desert backing him up was unable to even scratch CS2 Kimimaro, what can Spidey do? D=

sabaku souzou making rain blood
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/051-060/059/Nar-7-5-08.jpg

CS2 Kimi unscathed by sabaku souzou, after taking a giant avalanche and other stuff
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p02.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p03.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p04.png

He wont take any damage from spidey's pussy punches, (because that's what his punches would be for Kimi) even if he does, he regenerates just as fast.

Here we have ppl underestimating Kimi's speed, Kimimaro WAS faster than weightless Lee, it was Gaara who was much stronger than he was in the chunnin tourney, as Lee HIMSELF said it. another proof is that Kimi is faster than Lee in the databooks. of course he can keep up with spidey's inconsistent speed

Kimi did beat 1000 kyuubi naruto clones without being hit even once (haha! i'd like to see spidey doing that even with spidersense), he has the max stats in taijutsu in the databook, the only one with 5 out of 5 besides Gai
of course he can smack spidey in close combat, i mean, if Captain america can do it ... -_-

Spidey cant do nothing in this match but to run from Kimi and shoot webs, and even then , Kimimaro could probably rip them off

All I'm saying is if spider-man could slow down classic juggernaut, who was basically a god incarnated, then I believe spider-man could own kimi.If we take spidey's ridiculous cement pool feat agaisnt Juggs, then we could say that Kimi is more powerful than Juggs:lmao, i mean, Juggs was beaten by cement, Kimi wasn't stopped by being buried 200 mts underground by sand.so ¨beating ¨Juggs wont help spidey here, really:lmao

thegoodjae
05-28-2007, 01:45 AM
OH wait, so the 8 failed tentacles are suppose to be any better than a bunch of bones sticking out the ground all at once?

K I S K E
05-28-2007, 02:12 AM
Kimi wins. I will not explain my logic. I do not have to, but he wins.

Steven Pinhead
05-28-2007, 02:16 AM
I think many people here are overestimating Kimimaro in general. I think he could get slaughtered by Kakashi even if he was healthy.

thegoodjae
05-28-2007, 02:38 AM
Because Kakashi is definantly equal terms with Spidey?

shadowlords
05-28-2007, 02:43 AM
LOL to the guy who said Kimi beat 1000 naruto's unscathed

did you see the animation on that one? one naruto attacked at a time as the rest stood by watching in awe as they were soon eliminated

Halcyon Days
05-28-2007, 02:54 AM
I think many people here are overestimating Kimimaro in general. I think he could get slaughtered by Kakashi even if he was healthy.

No duh, kakashi has raikiri which can break through steel, and since its in front of his palm he doesn't have to wory about getting skewerd, but spidey with only human skin as his defense against the spikes its a totally different story

LOL to the guy who said Kimi beat 1000 naruto's unscathed

did you see the animation on that one? one naruto attacked at a time as the rest stood by watching in awe as they were soon eliminated

not true. they did attack in multiples becaus kimi killed six at once in the air, and he went attacking them. Not just standing there waiting on them the whole time.

Havoc
05-28-2007, 03:25 AM
As if Naruto's bunshins could show any gauge of actual power...

Yōkai
05-28-2007, 03:39 AM
LOL to the guy who said Kimi beat 1000 naruto's unscathed

did you see the animation on that one? one naruto attacked at a time as the rest stood by watching in awe as they were soon eliminated


because the anime holds more weight than the manga right?
here, take a lil peek to the real match as it happened, it could enlight you

1000 shadow clones
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/202/naruto_ch202_p18-19.png


dance of the willows
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/205/naruto_ch205_p13.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/205/naruto_ch205_p14-15.png
^killing buch of clones before they can even react

You might want to note he's moving so fast that he's just a blur


so they attacked just one at time right? -_-

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/205/naruto_ch205_p16.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/205/naruto_ch205_p17.png


Defeated the clone army without getting hit even once, lol i'd like to see spidey doing the same at least against normal humans

Now that's the fighting skill most of you love to underestimate

Do i need to point that these clones were kyuubi powered, and are remarkably stronger than normal human beings?
do i need to point that Kimi used only his BASE strenght to defeat them?

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/209/naruto_ch209_p09.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/209/naruto_ch209_p10.png


I wonder htf many of you think Kakashi can give spidey a hard time, but Kimi cant. When Kimimaro's taijutsu and stamina are superior to Kakashi's in the databook and his speed is the same. Kimimaro would do it much better against spidey, and unlike Kakashi, he wont die by a punch from the webslinger

Spiderman is screwed in all areas, infact, if it wasn't for spider sense, this match would end very, very quickly.

shadowlords
05-28-2007, 10:32 AM
all i see in those pictures are a bunch of narutos jumping at him. where are the rasengans. rarely does a bunch of naruto clones ever hit anyone except for like gaara. even zabuza who is much slower than kimi owned naruto and his clones

Fuujin
05-28-2007, 10:43 AM
As if Naruto's bunshins could show any gauge of actual power...But Kyuubified Naruto bunshins...move faster than Sasuke

DarkRaven7789
05-28-2007, 11:15 AM
Spidy can punch through concrete like it was paper. Kimi's bones are not going to be so tough that he cannot take them out. Not to mention the fact that a full force punch from spidy would logically liquify organs. Of course that is assuming this is a blood lusted spidy.

So what if Spidey can punch through concrete.Go and watch Spiderman 3 to see a guy whos made up of sand hand spideys ass over to him.
Plus Kimimaro has Kimimarus Rex Cursed Seal Stage.

The Wanderer
05-28-2007, 12:27 PM
So what if Spidey can punch through concrete.Go and watch Spiderman 3 to see a guy whos made up of sand hand spideys ass over to him.
Plus Kimimaro has Kimimarus Rex Cursed Seal Stage.Those guys aren't using the movies as evidence, they're using comics and manga.

Try again.

Pein
05-28-2007, 11:07 PM
But Kyuubified Naruto bunshins...move faster than Sasuke

no doubt it

Gunners
05-28-2007, 11:32 PM
no doubt it
They speed blitzd Sasuke, so yeah they do move faster than Sasuke. Well Sasuke at the time. Then he got 3 tome Sharingan so he could read the movements.

Lord Ishi
05-28-2007, 11:35 PM
I say Kimimaro hands down. He cut just hit Spider man with his finger bullets game over and cut out of his web with his sword.

Pein
05-28-2007, 11:38 PM
I say Kimimaro hands down. He cut just hit Spider man with his finger bullets game over and cut out of his web with his sword.

adamantium cant cut through his webs doubt kimmi could do it

Gunners
05-29-2007, 08:41 AM
adamantium cant cut through his webs doubt kimmi could do it
I don't think this really proves anything. If I had a Titanium pole there would be a lot of things I could cut through, but I could with a wooden sword.

DarkRaven7789
05-29-2007, 09:42 AM
Kimi's sword looked kinda sharp.
Spidey's Spider Sense will probably sense Kimi but that doesnt mean he'll be able to do anything about it

Darklyre
05-29-2007, 11:37 AM
I don't think this really proves anything. If I had a Titanium pole there would be a lot of things I could cut through, but I could with a wooden sword.

What the hell does a pole have to do with anything? Wolverine's claws are far sharper than anything Kimimaro could make (unless he can somehow magically make monomolecular bone swords, which even then I doubt could tear through the webbing).

Pein
05-30-2007, 12:49 AM
I don't think this really proves anything. If I had a Titanium pole there would be a lot of things I could cut through, but I could with a wooden sword.

what does that have to do with anything

Halcyon Days
05-30-2007, 02:16 AM
Can someone please tell me how is spider-man supposed to win? because fo what I see he loses

atom
05-30-2007, 02:17 AM
Now that I think about it... couldn't Spiderman just like... web Kimi's feet so he can't move and mouth then just web toss him to like a pit or something and burry him there indefinitely?

Halcyon Days
05-30-2007, 02:49 AM
^^^Nope, his bones would probably cut it instantly or expand t a size that breaks the webbing.

atom
05-30-2007, 03:07 AM
Whats stopping him from webbing up completely then?

Havoc
05-30-2007, 03:15 AM
^^^Nope, his bones would probably cut it instantly or expand t a size that breaks the webbing.

How would it cut it when wolverines claws can't?

Dark Evangel
05-30-2007, 03:25 AM
Does Spidey gets his bullet proof suit?

mystictrunks
05-30-2007, 03:35 AM
How would it cut it when wolverines claws can't?

kimmi's bones are the hardest substance in the universe. no one ever broke them.

thegoodjae
05-30-2007, 04:22 AM
who the hell said Kimi would be webbed in the first place? He dogded from base form fine against Rock Lee's unpredictable drunking fist.

DarkRaven7789
05-30-2007, 11:29 AM
Those guys aren't using the movies as evidence, they're using comics and manga.

Try again.

Youre not helping the matter.Take the Kimimaro from the manga and spidey from the comic....that's just overkill.

RockGuitarist
05-30-2007, 01:33 PM
Healthy kimimaro was able to take on the sound 4 with CS1 activated, quite calmly, I must add. Kimmiamro has a good chance of winning, but spider man could still possibly win.

Iris
05-30-2007, 02:46 PM
I don't know how exactly sharp Logan's claws are, but I do know that adamantanium has nothing to do with sharpness.

Adamantanium is the thickest and hardest metal, that's all there is to it.

Since we use anime Kimimaro here, he cut with his bone katana through shurikens, I think it's safe to assume he may cut through spidey's web.

About who wins or loses I cannot say for sure, I like Kimi more though.

Pein
05-30-2007, 05:27 PM
who the hell said Kimi would be webbed in the first place? He dogded from base form fine against Rock Lee's unpredictable drunking fist.

he has defeated faster people but im going to say that was for the sake of plot

thegoodjae
05-30-2007, 05:55 PM
I know he did but there is no PIS here. Kimi's reaction speed is also top-notch, not just combat speed.

As well as the claw point DeathScythe making a good point. Just because it is a harder metal does nt make it sharper, just harder to dull or break. People also assume Kimi's swinging force is equal to Logans.

Darklyre
05-30-2007, 06:08 PM
It's not necessarily sharper, but harder metals are much easier to make sharper in the first place.

Iris
05-30-2007, 06:41 PM
It's not necessarily sharper, but harder metals are much easier to make sharper in the first place.

They may be easier to make it sharp, but that doesn't mean it's sharper than fellow materials, though by such fictional material the cutting power (toughness&hardness) would be immense, wich is the most important part for a weapons edge, providing a great sharpness.