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RaTBoYs
05-24-2007, 10:03 PM
Terran marine vs Sasuke post time skip.
can sasuke win?
What exactly is Sasuke going to do to the marine?
Marins can take guns, lasers, photon blasts.. etc. Besides, Sasuke can't dodge a bullet. Rape.
Crimson King
05-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Sasuke: *throws a whole bunch of shurikens then shoots fireballs and then uses Chidori*
Marine: what the hell...*shurikens bounce off his armor and fire has no effect*
Sasuke:*breaks his arm on the marine's armor*
Marine: Are you done yet?
Kaiox
05-24-2007, 11:36 PM
If it is head on, Sasuke is toast, but if the marine is not expecting anything, a chidori should work.
Yeah, Photon blasts don't instant kill Marines, Chidori will just tickle him.
terran marine has uranium 238 bullets. thats rape enough.
Random Nobody
05-25-2007, 12:00 AM
Chidori isn't gonna do shit. Zealot Psyblades > Chidori and those can't one hit them either. Marine fills Sasuke full of holes.
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05-25-2007, 12:08 AM
Why are people using game stats?
Game stats are incredibly unreliable
Random Nobody
05-25-2007, 12:12 AM
Okay how about the fact that the Marine has a rapid fire gun?
Darklyre
05-25-2007, 12:24 AM
Starcraft Terran marines are cheap knockoffs of WH40K Space Marines.
Except that in this case, even a cheap knockoff is severely overpowered.
Starcraft Terran marines are cheap knockoffs of WH40K Space Marines.
y u b hatin?
Why are people using game stats?
Game stats are incredibly unreliable
Because thats the only canon thing we have :/
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05-25-2007, 02:38 AM
Well a fucking zergling can survive a fucking hit from a fucking Battlecruiser but if fucking anyone uses that I'll fucking destroy them
Random Nobody
05-25-2007, 02:56 AM
I see your point Gai, but I don't see how Sasuke dodges bullets.
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05-25-2007, 03:04 AM
That's ignorance right there
Anyone can dodge bullets. You, me and even that little kid down the road. I mean if you move too fast for someone to keep a track on you then how would they hit you? After all, if someone can't keep their gun trained on you then they can't hit you.
That said I haven't voted for any party in case I get some retard coming in saying 'omfg u suk sasuke wuld get destryed!'
Random Nobody
05-25-2007, 03:07 AM
And I might agree, if Sasuke used his current speed in anything more then a short burst. Thing is I don't see a short burst of speed being enough to give him a victory.
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05-25-2007, 03:12 AM
Why not? What can the marine do if he can't aim his gun at Sasuke? What's stopping Sasuke from 'teleporting' behind the Marine? I mean doing that a few times isn't hard and the marine can only shoot people with his gun from what he has shown
Random Nobody
05-25-2007, 03:14 AM
My point is, Sasuke's never moved at that speed for a long period of time, so I don't think he can do it rapidly at this point. As for appearing behind the Marine, that would depend on the starting distance, which wasn't listed in the OP.
omg laser pew pew!
05-25-2007, 03:16 AM
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
Did he not take down a army of sound nin alone and unscathed? Doubt he could do that with just normal speed
this isn't a movie dude you can't dodge bullets just by running around if the person has any bit of decent aim...
this is a marine, probably an expert marksman of sorts. Sasuke's deadmeat.
hachiroku7143
05-25-2007, 03:33 AM
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
Did he not take down a army of sound nin alone and unscathed? Doubt he could do that with just normal speed
It really doesn't matter whether he took down an army of sound nin or not. The question is can sasuke evade every single bullet from a rapid-fire machine gun?
And what is that point about anyone being able to dodge bullets? I certainly have not dodged bullets before. I don't know about you and the little kid or your street. Thers a difference between dodging bullets in real life in a one shot deal and consistently dodging them.
How do u suppose Sasuke will take down the marine?
omg laser pew pew!
05-25-2007, 05:25 AM
These two posts are excellent reasons why Narutoforums require a IQ test before being allowed to post. That or a requirement to read posts before replying to other people. Now that I've got that out of the way, my reply....
this isn't a movie dude you can't dodge bullets just by running around if the person has any bit of decent aim...
Did you read any of my posts? If you read Naruto, then you should be familiar with the technique shunshin no jutsu (probably spelt differently). It allows the user to focus their chakra into their limbs (or whatever) for short bursts of speed. The result is like when Kakashi introduces them to the bell test and first meeting with post time skip Sasuke. For all intents and purposes in this fight, it is near instantaneous travel. Now that I've finished lecturing you on that point, answer me this point; Sasuke has shown to be able to on multiple occasions do shunshin no jutsu and with very little effort, how do you think he will implement this in this fight?
Sorry that's a rhetorical question.
this is a marine, probably an expert marksman of sorts. Sasuke's deadmeat.
Ok, you don't play SC. I'm going to regard you as someone that posts about comic book characters even though they've never read any (or very few).
It really doesn't matter whether he took down an army of sound nin or not. The question is can sasuke evade every single bullet from a rapid-fire machine gun?
No it doesn't does it? Yeah of course bringing evidence concerning Sasuke's speed is nothing special in this case right? Of course not. Sasuke is slow because he is a ninja and bullets > ninjas right? Of course that's right(I just went on a off-topic tangent there!).
Nevermind the fact that people in real life miss with guns. Never mind the fact that real life humans are not as fast as Sasuke.
Bullets > Ninjas trumps that.
I mean everyone in the battledome with a gun must be a expert marksman right? That's why they have a large clip and a automatic weapon right? To enhance their already accurate marksmanship.
And what is that point about anyone being able to dodge bullets? I certainly have not dodged bullets before. I don't know about you and the little kid or your street.
I think I said this already, I think people might have missed it even though it was bolded and was a sentence on it's own but I'll post it again because people here seem to suffer from 'I do not want to read your posts carefully' syndrome.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
(I first saw CBG say that, it's a great line. Very smart)
I'll answer your question with a rhetorical question because it seems I can only get the point across when I fill my posts with sarcasm. Hell I'll even bold it and put it as italics just so you don't miss out on it.
If you were running as fast as you could and I started shooting at you, do you think every bullet would hit?
If you answered 'yes' to the above question then GTFO of this forum and go jump off a cliff. Darwin awards FTW.
If you answered 'no' to the above question then good work, you're not an idiot.
Now with that in mind, I would like to ask you 'Why do you think that is the case?[b] (bold italics for the win!).
Here are some of my reasons for this most complex conundrum:
1. Not everyone is a expert marksman.
2. A automatic weapon is not 100% accurate.
3. You are very fast.
4. The weapon recoil was screwing my aim.
Reasonable answers do you not agree? (rhetorical question again for the double digit IQ people).
Now put Sasuke in that scenario, someone who is (as far as the human eye is concerned) able to do instant movement for short distances continuously and with little effort. Do you think either you or I could hit him?
Now I hear you say this 'Gai you idiot u suk nooob kek! A marine is a expert marksman with a super accurate rifle that will never miss and shoots ten gajillion mega bullets per second cos it's too powerful and sasuke is only a ninja so he will get hit cos bullets > ninjs lol kek gtfo fag'.
Oh no! You have totally dismantled my entire Lord of the Rings essay post! Never fear, the prick poster that pisses everyone off will never be beaten (that's me in case you thought I was referring to you. Idiots)!
1. Marines are not 100% accurate.
My reasoning for this? Well I should be asking [b]you people for it since you're claiming that the marines are PROBABLY expert marksman (bold italics!). That was harsh, only one genius was saying that with his very concise arguement that was supported by very credible sources.
Well I rebut that point with these:
1. If you use in game feats as canon (and if you do, you're a idiot) then I will ask you to explain to me these inconsistencies:
- How can a small zergling that is killed from being hit by a jeep survive a direct hit from a Battlecruiser?
- How can a Siege tank in siege mode on lower ground miss occasionally against a unit on higher ground? What about all its high tech wizz bang gadgets that allow it to hit targets very far distances? Does this mean that the Tank targeting system in Tanks suck against anything slightly higher than them?
- How does a marine destroy a battlecruiser? (if someone says 'shooting it' then I will kick you with my foot. Yes 'my' foot)
- Why can't a Guardian hit other flying units? Is it so hard to fly a bit higher then start shooting?
- As with the previous point, why can't the Devourer hurt land units? Is it that complex to fly down and hit those blasted Missile Turrets?
Zerg still have a lot to evolve.
Thers a difference between dodging bullets in real life in a one shot deal and consistently dodging them.
Yeah there is isn't there? I guess no-one (bolt italics are sexy, they are over 9000) can say the real outcome for this fight because we'll never see a canon fight between Sasuke or a marine. If I am wrong then feel free to lay it on me though.
How do u suppose Sasuke will take down the marine?
If you are posting this in response to me saying Sasuke will win (which I didn't) then you are mistaken. However I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are just asking me this question due to your most curious nature.
I would have originally said Dynamic Entry by Sasuke is not Gai. He is an Uchiha so most likely he will just use the Art of Run (bold italics!) and escape. I will then illogically assume the marine will shoot randomly for no reason whatsoever and eventually will run out of bullets. Then I will assume that he will go and try and hit on Kerrigan. Who kills him.
Sasuke wins
Don't take game stats into this, please (marine survives photon blast)
I mean, an unarmored peasant survives 20 sword strikes of a trained footman in warcraft 3. It doesn't mean it's realistic.
But terran marine wins.
Akatora
05-25-2007, 07:51 AM
Depends, How much ammo does the marine have?
Also what kind if any weapon he have, though if it's standard i'd say marine.
If it's a CLose Combat weapon i'd say Sasuke.
Goodfellow
05-25-2007, 10:16 AM
Starcraft Terran marines are cheap knockoffs of WH40K Space Marines.
Except that in this case, even a cheap knockoff is severely overpowered.
Actually I believe their a mix of Space Marines and Starship Troopers:oh
Di@BoLik
05-25-2007, 10:43 AM
We've seen Sasuke's sword cut through metal quite easily. Wouldn't the same happen to the marine armor? I'm assuming the only way to stop his sword is by using some sort of opposing energy/chakra based weapon or shield.
are honestly arguing that body flicker is faster than a submachine gun? You don't have to know about both sides to see who the clear winner is.
i've read every chapter of naruto since part 2
Sasuke took down about a thousand nin, but how much time did it take? Did he do it instantly? No we don't know because we're only shown the aftermath.
Sharinganmaster29
05-25-2007, 12:20 PM
sasuke learns naruto's harem jutsu and pwn any terran!!!!!:P
Sharinganmaster29
05-25-2007, 12:26 PM
if u give it a thought gai is right...shunshin no jutsu>guns...if u arent able to see a fuckin target youre gun can be the fastest...he'll be behind a marine instantaneous and i think chidori works on a marine's face(that's the only part w/out armor) or he can just catch him in a genjutsu:P
are honestly arguing that body flicker is faster than a submachine gun?No he's arguing that body flicker is faster than someone's ability to lock onto a target.
Sasuke took down about a thousand nin, but how much time did it take? Did he do it instantly? No we don't know because we're only shown the aftermath.I'm sure those thousand ninja weren't just sitting there playing with themselves while waiting for their turn.
ydraliskos
05-25-2007, 12:56 PM
Why not? What can the marine do if he can't aim his gun at Sasuke? What's stopping Sasuke from 'teleporting' behind the Marine? I mean doing that a few times isn't hard and the marine can only shoot people with his gun from what he has shown
Seriously Gai, he doesn't really need to shoot.
He can just grab him in melee and just punch his skull in.
Sharinganmaster29
05-25-2007, 01:05 PM
Seriously Gai, he doesn't really need to shoot.
He can just grab him in melee and just punch his skull in.
lol...its like ninjas hev human speed right:wink ???
a ninja is no near the speed of a trained marine!!!!!sarcasm
Arishem
05-25-2007, 01:12 PM
Seeing how Naruto and Sasuke were remodeling cliff faces during their fight, I fail to see how a single punch from a SC marine will do him in...
shadowlords
05-25-2007, 01:21 PM
I bet you a single marine could have also mowed down all of those sound ninjas with his machine gun hahaha. not that great of a feat
hachiroku7143
05-25-2007, 01:31 PM
These two posts are excellent reasons why Narutoforums require a IQ test before being allowed to post. That or a requirement to read posts before replying to other people. Now that I've got that out of the way, my reply....
Did you read any of my posts? If you read Naruto, then you should be familiar with the technique shunshin no jutsu (probably spelt differently). It allows the user to focus their chakra into their limbs (or whatever) for short bursts of speed. The result is like when Kakashi introduces them to the bell test and first meeting with post time skip Sasuke. For all intents and purposes in this fight, it is near instantaneous travel. Now that I've finished lecturing you on that point, answer me this point; Sasuke has shown to be able to on multiple occasions do shunshin no jutsu and with very little effort, how do you think he will implement this in this fight?
Sorry that's a rhetorical question.
Ok, you don't play SC. I'm going to regard you as someone that posts about comic book characters even though they've never read any (or very few).
No it doesn't does it? Yeah of course bringing evidence concerning Sasuke's speed is nothing special in this case right? Of course not. Sasuke is slow because he is a ninja and bullets > ninjas right? Of course that's right(I just went on a off-topic tangent there!).
Nevermind the fact that people in real life miss with guns. Never mind the fact that real life humans are not as fast as Sasuke.
Bullets > Ninjas trumps that.
I mean everyone in the battledome with a gun must be a expert marksman right? That's why they have a large clip and a automatic weapon right? To enhance their already accurate marksmanship.
I think I said this already, I think people might have missed it even though it was bolded and was a sentence on it's own but I'll post it again because people here seem to suffer from 'I do not want to read your posts carefully' syndrome.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
(I first saw CBG say that, it's a great line. Very smart)
I'll answer your question with a rhetorical question because it seems I can only get the point across when I fill my posts with sarcasm. Hell I'll even bold it and put it as italics just so you don't miss out on it.
If you were running as fast as you could and I started shooting at you, do you think every bullet would hit?
If you answered 'yes' to the above question then GTFO of this forum and go jump off a cliff. Darwin awards FTW.
If you answered 'no' to the above question then good work, you're not an idiot.
Now with that in mind, I would like to ask you 'Why do you think that is the case?[b] (bold italics for the win!).
Here are some of my reasons for this most complex conundrum:
1. Not everyone is a expert marksman.
2. A automatic weapon is not 100% accurate.
3. You are very fast.
4. The weapon recoil was screwing my aim.
Reasonable answers do you not agree? (rhetorical question again for the double digit IQ people).
Now put Sasuke in that scenario, someone who is (as far as the human eye is concerned) able to do instant movement for short distances continuously and with little effort. Do you think either you or I could hit him?
Now I hear you say this 'Gai you idiot u suk nooob kek! A marine is a expert marksman with a super accurate rifle that will never miss and shoots ten gajillion mega bullets per second cos it's too powerful and sasuke is only a ninja so he will get hit cos bullets > ninjs lol kek gtfo fag'.
Oh no! You have totally dismantled my entire Lord of the Rings essay post! Never fear, the prick poster that pisses everyone off will never be beaten (that's me in case you thought I was referring to you. Idiots)!
1. Marines are not 100% accurate.
My reasoning for this? Well I should be asking [b]you people for it since you're claiming that the marines are PROBABLY expert marksman (bold italics!). That was harsh, only one genius was saying that with his very concise arguement that was supported by very credible sources.
Well I rebut that point with these:
1. If you use in game feats as canon (and if you do, you're a idiot) then I will ask you to explain to me these inconsistencies:
- How can a small zergling that is killed from being hit by a jeep survive a direct hit from a Battlecruiser?
- How can a Siege tank in siege mode on lower ground miss occasionally against a unit on higher ground? What about all its high tech wizz bang gadgets that allow it to hit targets very far distances? Does this mean that the Tank targeting system in Tanks suck against anything slightly higher than them?
- How does a marine destroy a battlecruiser? (if someone says 'shooting it' then I will kick you with my foot. Yes 'my' foot)
- Why can't a Guardian hit other flying units? Is it so hard to fly a bit higher then start shooting?
- As with the previous point, why can't the Devourer hurt land units? Is it that complex to fly down and hit those blasted Missile Turrets?
Zerg still have a lot to evolve.
Yeah there is isn't there? I guess no-one (bolt italics are sexy, they are over 9000) can say the real outcome for this fight because we'll never see a canon fight between Sasuke or a marine. If I am wrong then feel free to lay it on me though.
If you are posting this in response to me saying Sasuke will win (which I didn't) then you are mistaken. However I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are just asking me this question due to your most curious nature.
I would have originally said Dynamic Entry by Sasuke is not Gai. He is an Uchiha so most likely he will just use the Art of Run (bold italics!) and escape. I will then illogically assume the marine will shoot randomly for no reason whatsoever and eventually will run out of bullets. Then I will assume that he will go and try and hit on Kerrigan. Who kills him.
Sasuke wins
Thing I dont get about shunshin no jutsu is they can show the characters to be going very fast, then at later times in a fight its like they can't just teleport behind their opponents like they sometimes can.
The fact against the sound nin doesnt provide a time frame for the fight. No one knows how long it took. COuld have been fast like 30 seconds, could have been 30 minutes.
People with large clip and automatic weapons need to take use it to take down multiple enemies k? This doesn't mean they are not expert marksman, do you wanna go on a battlefield with a dinky gun or a huge gun with lots of anmmo?
Not every bullet would have to hit me. Seriously, its not like u need to shoot a 100% accuracy. Only enough hits so the target goes down. So if the shooter doesn't shoot at 100% then the sasuke can't be killed ?
Please dont attack me by calling me names.
Goodfellow
05-25-2007, 01:38 PM
Seriously Gai, he doesn't really need to shoot.
He can just grab him in melee and just punch his skull in.
Wrong kind of Marine:oh
You're talking about Space Marines now.
Reznor
05-25-2007, 02:20 PM
Nevermind the fact that people in real life miss with guns. Never mind the fact that real life humans are not as fast as Sasuke.
Bullets > Ninjas trumps that. Yeah. The most annoying threads are the ones were everyone is well versed in the party line. X____X
This is rape.
Sasuke's chidori will hit head on, since he's much faster than the Marine. that will pierce his armor and he'll be done.
Worse case scenario: Sasuke goes behind him, overpowers him - (Sasuke is probably stronger than the Marine, even if he's not, Sasuke's hand-to-hand skill will still let him win a grapple) and takes his gun and shots him with that.
If anyone wants to pull out game statistics and say "X attack doesn't kill them, and X >>> Chidori" then I'll point out that a jeep does more damage to zergling than a Battlecruiser and Zealots psi-blades XD
omg laser pew pew!
05-26-2007, 01:19 AM
are honestly arguing that body flicker is faster than a submachine gun? You don't have to know about both sides to see who the clear winner is.
i've read every chapter of naruto since part 2
Sasuke took down about a thousand nin, but how much time did it take? Did he do it instantly? No we don't know because we're only shown the aftermath.
*sigh*
Even after my stupidly and inanely huge post that addressed this point, PEOPLE STILL DO NOT READ IT CAREFULLY (I bought bold italics back......yeah! You don't know where it's at. Yeah!)
Are you trying to flame bait me? I'm seriously asking you this, if you've read my previous post in this thread then you will see that I addressed it as well as fifty trillion other points.
Expecting other people to read my posts before posting?
That's Blasphemy! That's madness!
Madness? THIS. IS. NARUTOFAN!
Bold italics
No he's arguing that body flicker is faster than someone's ability to lock onto a target.
I'm sure those thousand ninja weren't just sitting there playing with themselves while waiting for their turn.
STARCRAFT 2!
Seriously Gai, he doesn't really need to shoot.
He can just grab him in melee and just punch his skull in.
Oh yes. I mean marines are that fast right? I mean I totally saw those marines wtfpwn those hydralisks during the Battle of the Amerigo. Oh wait
I lied
Thing I dont get about shunshin no jutsu is they can show the characters to be going very fast, then at later times in a fight its like they can't just teleport behind their opponents like they sometimes can.
That's beside the point, I never said that Sasuke could dodge the marine or gun-fire forever. However if I did then please point it out
The fact against the sound nin doesnt provide a time frame for the fight. No one knows how long it took. COuld have been fast like 30 seconds, could have been 30 minutes.
Look at it like this.
You have a lot of Naruto ninjas after you (and it's generally accepted than any Naruto ninja > human physically). It doesn't matter how long it takes but the fact that you beat them all without getting hit once. If this fight was Kiba then hell yeah, I say the Marine will most likely win but this is Sasuke. Someone who has time and time against implemented the powerful Art of Run into his normal fighting techniques (and that's why he's the Uchiha prodigy, he can run and fight).
People with large clip and automatic weapons need to take use it to take down multiple enemies k? This doesn't mean they are not expert marksman, do you wanna go on a battlefield with a dinky gun or a huge gun with lots of anmmo?
That doesn't have anything to do with my point. My point is that a automatic gun will never be as accurate as a semi-automatic one(or something like that), that just makes it even harder to hit a already fast opponent.
Not every bullet would have to hit me. Seriously, its not like u need to shoot a 100% accuracy. Only enough hits so the target goes down. So if the shooter doesn't shoot at 100% then the sasuke can't be killed ?
So.......are you supporting my arguement or something here? I can't decipher what you mean.
Please dont attack me by calling me names.
Oh don't worry, you're one of the more intelligent people here.
Crimson King
05-26-2007, 01:36 AM
Forgive me, I never knew Naruto ninjas could now move faster than hypersonic speeds. I also didn't know the marine couldn't spray wildly.:notrust
Ok this has gone on far enough.
Terran: *Gets out machine gun*
Terran: *Starts spinning around shooting crazily*
The end.
omg laser pew pew!
05-26-2007, 02:04 AM
Oh why do I bother......
Yeah, don't. Even if the Marine can't touch Sasuke, Sasuke has no moves that would hurt him to begin with. Not to mention stim packs would improve his reaction time and abilities significantly. Really though, do you REALLY think Sasuke can beat a Marine?
If so then.... nevermind.
Lord Yu
05-26-2007, 02:22 AM
Ok this has gone on far enough.
Terran: *Gets out machine gun*
Terran: *Starts spinning around shooting crazily*
The end.
Sasuke would likely reach him during that period and killed him or stopped him from using that gun.
Lord Yu
05-26-2007, 02:29 AM
Sasuke would likely reach him during that period and killed him or stopped him from using that gun.
My point is it's not that simple.
But it is so simple. I don't even know why I put that "*Pulls out machine gun*" part. A marine has never been shown without his gun already out.
Spin and shoot my friend, spin and shoot.
Lord Yu
05-26-2007, 02:48 AM
Then it becomes a matter of arc. If the marine spins around like an idiot Sasuke could just duck and push him over.
Ok? Push him over? And while he is falling Sasuke will be off guard and get full of holes.
Fenix
05-26-2007, 03:44 AM
a single marine is not gonna kill sasuke
he'll run out of ammo and get tired way before sasuke is gonna get hurt
then it's just a matter of popping open his helm glass and kill him
terran marines = regular muscle guys
Starcraft Terran marines are cheap knockoffs of WH40K Space Marines.
oh plz, because people in big ass space suits is a Warhammer speciality right? fail
a single marine is not gonna kill sasuke
he'll run out of ammo and get tired way before sasuke is gonna get hurt
then it's just a matter of popping open his helm glass and kill him
terran marines = regular muscle guys
Terran Marines have infinte ammo. Besides, Sasuke can't get past steel. Sasuke bends over and takes the rape like a man.
Lol, terran marines are chock full of neural implants that increase reaction time, and with a rapid fire uranium 238 machine gun with a long range the marine pretty much owns sasuke.
And BTW kunais and bullets don't travel at the same speed, if sasuke managed to dodge several kunais at once it doesn't automatically mean he can do the same for a barrage of bullets.
The World Book Encyclopedia[/I]. New York: World Book, 1998.]With modern propulsion techniques, the projectile's initial velocity may be as high as 4000 feet (1200 meters) per second for some rifles and 5000 feet (1500 meters) per second for some large guns."
and thats for one bullet
a standard MK 47 fires 600 rounds/min [wiki]
the standard Effective range 300Min
one round contains 30 bullets, that 9000 bullets per minute.
thats not taking into account the technological advancement of the terran( faster rounds per minute, longer range, more round capacity e.t.c)
Hell a well trained U.S officer with that new assault rifle can take him out.
Fenix
05-26-2007, 03:58 AM
Terran Marines have infinte ammo. Besides, Sasuke can't get past steel. Sasuke bends over and takes the rape like a man.
and zerglings can survive a hit from battlecruisers right? stop the game mechanics, most of it makes no sense. oh wait i forgot im replying to someone who's clueless about everything OBD. denial? do a post history on yourself, print it out and have some1 else read it :wink
and zerglings can survive a hit from battlecruisers right? stop the game mechanics, most of it makes no sense. oh wait i forgot im replying to someone who's clueless about everything OBD. denial? do a post history on yourself, print it out and have some1 else read it :wink
Um they're carapace is super hard and infused with their bodies. they can survive warp jumps ad the harshness of space, so I dont see why they cant endure one or two hits from a battle cruiser.
omg laser pew pew!
05-26-2007, 05:36 AM
Um they're carapace is super hard and infused with their bodies. they can survive warp jumps ad the harshness of space, so I dont see why they cant endure one or two hits from a battle cruiser.
SOMEONE PLEASE END THIS IDIOCY!
I cannot believe you just said that.
I seriously cannot believe you think it's perfectly reasonable for the same zerglings that get killed from the tires of a jeep to survive a Battlecruiser blast.
Tell me this is a joke, tell me it is a joke please......for your sake and my sanity
SOMEONE PLEASE END THIS IDIOCY!
I cannot believe you just said that.
I seriously cannot believe you think it's perfectly reasonable for the same zerglings that get killed from the tires of a jeep to survive a Battlecruiser blast.
Tell me this is a joke, tell me it is a joke please......for your sake and my sanity
It's funny how you can just jump on a minor plot hole like that. Apart from that minor fluke it is possible, now stop being a jack ass.
so are you going to counter my previous post or are you going to keep making noise?
Goodfellow
05-26-2007, 06:36 AM
Meh, a zergling is able to get through a marines armor (sooner or later:laugh), so a chidori or those new tricks Sasuke has shown would probably do through the marine's armor. I'd say it depends mostly on terrain.
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05-26-2007, 07:03 AM
It's funny how you can just jump on a minor plot hole like that. Apart from that minor fluke it is possible, now stop being a jack ass.
A minor plot hole? Do you have any evidence that's it's a plot hole?
Well if that is a plot hole then is the fact that a Marine destroying a Battlecruiser/Carrier or whatever a plot hole as well? Is the fact that a SCV can kill a Ultralisk/Archon/Siege Tank a plot hole as well? Is the fact that a single zergling can make a large mechanical facility a plot hole?
I'm sorry but I enjoy being a jack ass. Not only does it mean I can rip you to shreds (or your arguement) but I can be funny at the same time.
so are you going to counter my previous post or are you going to keep making noise?
I was hoping to save you the face of getting your precious arguement destroyed since I could tell that you put effort into it but if you insist...
Lol, terran marines are chock full of neural implants that increase reaction time, and with a rapid fire uranium 238 machine gun with a long range the marine pretty much owns sasuke.
Reference to the film clip 'Battle of the Amerigo'
For my first evidence, during the clip you see some marines fight melee hydralisks. During the fight you see the hydralisks get hit multiple times yet none of the times do you see any of the bullets leave any exit wounds, in fact none of the hydralisks are shown to even have any entry wounds.
Of course you will say 'A hydralisk is not Sasuke' to which I will reply 'Thank you genius, I did not know that'. Jokes aside, I would like to point out that even without any entry wounds, the Hydralisk were still killed by being hit by the bullets (which resembled rubber bullets more than anything).
Also you will see alot of missed shots even though the distance is less than 10 metres and the Marines were shooting down fairly narrow corridors.
Reference to the film clip 'The Acension' (not sure if that is its proper name, I mean the last zerg cinematic for Brood Wars)
For this piece of evidence, I would like to refer to the part in which a Infested Terran runs up and self detonates a bunker. While the infested Terran was running up to the bunker, you see (from the perspective of inside the bunker) a marine trying to shoot the infest terran down. He fails quite badly since the terran sends him flying really high.
How do these pieces of evidence apply here? Let me answer that with my own question, 'If a marine cannot hit a infested terran or a hydralisk with any sort of accuracy, how do you expect a marine to have much luck hitting a much faster target?'.
Bold italics!
To this you might retort by saying 'but teh marine is really fast! they have neural impants dat make them react at lightspeed!'. A fair enough point, however I would like to point out in this case that during the 'Battle of the Amerigo', a marine was killed because a hydralisk (who was making alot of hydralisks sounds like 'adklfhaskdhf' and whatnot) who came up behind him. Also the marine had his visor up so he can't use the excuse of not hearing him. Sasuke could implement a similar technique, 'shun shin'ing behind the marine to which the Marine will be forced to turn around his weapon (he could shoot wildly but he certainly won't hit someone behind him), giving time for Sasuke to do something.
And BTW kunais and bullets don't travel at the same speed, if sasuke managed to dodge several kunais at once it doesn't automatically mean he can do the same for a barrage of bullets.
Ok give me a sec, I'm just going to classify you as one of the 'I don't read your posts before posting' people. Sorry about that, that's just me being a 'jack ass'.
I will riposte your arguement with some another rhetorical question,
Do the claws of zerglings move at the speed of sounds??
If you answered yes then well, I'll stop arguing with you. I have better things to spend with my time like smashing my head against a brick wall.
If you answered no then congratulations, I won't class you as a complete nitwit.
How does this apply to this case you ask? Well if the claws of a zergling can break through the armour of a marine, why couldn't a chidori? Also bear in mind that not all of a marine is completely armoured heavily. There are gaps where the different pieces connect.
and thats for one bullet
a standard MK 47 fires 600 rounds/min [wiki]
the standard Effective range 300Min
one round contains 30 bullets, that 9000 bullets per minute.
thats not taking into account the technological advancement of the terran( faster rounds per minute, longer range, more round capacity e.t.c)
Hell a well trained U.S officer with that new assault rifle can take him out.
Thanks for that lecture, I'll be sure to save it and remember that so when I see a hot chick, I can use these facts to try and pick her up.
It doesn't matter how fast you shoot if your enemy is not where you are aiming.
Keep that in mind, if you want to bring up how fast those rifles shoot again then be prepared. I will insult you heavily.
*retarded bullshit*
'If a marine cannot hit a infested terran or a hydralisk with any sort of accuracy, how do you expect a marine to have much luck hitting a much faster target?'.
*More retarded bullshit*
Do the claws of zerglings move at the speed of sounds??
*Bullshit*
How does this apply to this case you ask? Well if the claws of a zergling can break through the armour of a marine, why couldn't a chidori? Also bear in mind that not all of a marine is completely armoured heavily. There are gaps where the different pieces connect.
I Decided to cut out the bullshit you were spewing and only narrow down on the ones that aren't so fucking retarded.
Last time I checked chidori doesn't move at the speed of sound so where your getting that nonsense I do not know.
And it seems you have forgotten how long it takes sasuke to charge up that chidori, a couple minutes at most. and because the chidori sounds like a thousand birds I don't think it'd take that long for the marine to locate him and bump him full of uranium.
Another thing you've forgotten, is the running charge chidori requires, it requires at least a couple meters to be effective. Just think about it. three meters of sasuke holding a ball of light, thats as loud as hell running for three meters. Hell sasuke should just take a target sign and run around screaming "RAPE ME".
apart from chidori what would sasuke pull off? katon cant work because of the suit, and taijutsu is bloody useless.
I suggest the next time that you feel an urge to embarrass yourself and bore others, that you summon all your might, and resist.
I Decided to cut out the bullshit you were spewing and only narrow down on the ones that aren't so fucking retarded.You're basically ignoring the parts where he dismantled your previous arguments.....
apart from chidori what would sasuke pull off? katon cant work because of the suit, and taijutsu is bloody useless.
Also.... isn't this post skip Sasuke?
Kusanagi
One would think that if a Zergling's claws can break through a Marine's suit, Sasuke's sword could do the same. Body flicker behind the Marine + stab him in the back of the neck.
gg Terran Marine
You're basically ignoring the parts where he dismantled your previous arguments.....No I'm ignoring the parts where he tries to capitalize on inconsistencies found in the game. he said it himself game stats are incredibly unreliable. and in a long winded post, he only stated one thing.
marines wouldn't be able to hit sasuke cause of body flicker.
so yeah, I did remove the unimportant parts.
Kusanagi
One would think that if a Zergling's claws can break through a Marine's suit, Sasuke's sword could do the same. Body flicker behind the Marine + stab him in the back of the neck.
gg Terran MarineI haven't seen sasuke cut through anything even remotely close to the armor found on a terran marine. comparing kusangi which couldn't even cut through the thirds rod (harder than diamond lols.) what makes you think he'd cut through tempered neo-steel?
Didn't Gai point out that there's weak points in the armor?
Didn't Gai point out that there's weak points in the armor?
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/1179583995942.jpg
I dont think so, the joints are pretty well armored, and the neck region isn't vulnerable.
But the face is lol!
Unless their visor's as strong as the metal of their suit, it won't hold up, imo.
Reference to the film clip 'Battle of the Amerigo'
For my first evidence, during the clip you see some marines fight melee hydralisks. During the fight you see the hydralisks get hit multiple times yet none of the times do you see any of the bullets leave any exit wounds, in fact none of the hydralisks are shown to even have any entry wounds.
Of course you will say 'A hydralisk is not Sasuke' to which I will reply 'Thank you genius, I did not know that'. Jokes aside, I would like to point out that even without any entry wounds, the Hydralisk were still killed by being hit by the bullets (which resembled rubber bullets more than anything).Also you will see alot of missed shots even though the distance is less than 10 metres and the Marines were shooting down fairly narrow corridors.To this you might retort by saying 'but teh marine is really fast! they have neural impants dat make them react at lightspeed!'. A fair enough point, however I would like to point out in this case that during the 'Battle of the Amerigo', a marine was killed because a hydralisk (who was making alot of hydralisks sounds like 'adklfhaskdhf' and whatnot) who came up behind him. Also the marine had his visor up so he can't use the excuse of not hearing him. Sasuke could implement a similar technique, 'shun shin'ing behind the marine to which the Marine will be forced to turn around his weapon (he could shoot wildly but he certainly won't hit someone behind him),
Your ignorance is baffling, the hydralisks were not killed by any bullets, the bomb on the ship detonated, neither did the hydralisks make any audible sounds, it was a fairly dark corridor so their missing a few (and really they didnt really miss in as much it didnt get through the carapace.)
for refernce here is the cut scene (in german lols) and you'll notice that half of what your saying is bullshit.http://youtube.com/watch?v=YuB5Tu9dyHE
You also posted rubbish on the zerg ending. how would you knoe whether or not the bullets hit? the graphics on it was incredibly crappy (1998 game) even when the infested terran jumps right in front of the still shooting gun you dont even see any bullet wounds. Like I said your basing your entire argument on the graphical inconsistencies of a game.http://youtube.com/watch?v=263ZqtllwRg
Crimson King
05-26-2007, 11:47 PM
For the zergling and jeep thing, since when the fuck was it stated that the zergling was killed? It was merely knocked down.
Dr. Boskov Krevorkian
05-26-2007, 11:56 PM
I'm sorry, but doesn't the face of the Ghost just scream "idiot?"
omg laser pew pew!
05-27-2007, 01:27 AM
I Decided to cut out the bullshit you were spewing and only narrow down on the ones that aren't so fucking retarded.
Please, if you want to throw around insults then may you please stop?. I don't believe I've used any naughty language against anyone so far.
Last time I checked chidori doesn't move at the speed of sound so where your getting that nonsense I do not know.
Where. Did. I. Say. A. Chidori. Moves. At. The. Speed. Of. Sound.
Please. Find. The. Post. Where. I. Say. A. Chidori. Moves. At. The. Speed. Of. Sound.
And it seems you have forgotten how long it takes sasuke to charge up that chidori, a couple minutes at most. and because the chidori sounds like a thousand birds I don't think it'd take that long for the marine to locate him and bump him full of uranium.
Are you really a brick wall in real life? This is not a insult, this is a truthful question. You are very much like other twats in this thread, you completely ignore my other posts even though I take the courtesy to read yours.
Are you forgetting that Sasuke can 'teleport' around place? Do you think that the marine will know where Sasuke moves too? Do you think that the marine will instantly know where he is?
Even still if the marine shoots in Sasuke's general direction, what's stopping Sasuke from doing it continuously or something like that? The problem with YOUR arguement is that you talk like Sasuke will prance around like a little ninny. Well until you have a scan of Sasuke seriously doing that then I'm sorry, Sasuke will not be standing still in a fight.
Another point, it seems even if I bold italics my posts, some people still somehow miss it. Maybe they just have poor eyesight so I'll increase the font size and change the colour so it's more noticeable.
Another thing you've forgotten, is the running charge chidori requires, it requires at least a couple meters to be effective. Just think about it. three meters of sasuke holding a ball of light, thats as loud as hell running for three meters. Hell sasuke should just take a target sign and run around screaming "RAPE ME".
Because yes, Sasuke will stand in front of the marine. Because yes, Sasuke will not move to cover like he didn't do against Gaara.
Oh wait.
Nevermind, I think you forgot what happened in the manga.
apart from chidori what would sasuke pull off? katon cant work because of the suit, and taijutsu is bloody useless.
Why are you asking me this strawman? Did I ever bring up the point of taijitsu or a katon? I do not believe I ever did thus I would like you to stop asking me irrelevent questions that are not pertinent to what I posted.
Also your ignorance is very blinding, never once did I seriously say in this thread that Sasuke would win yet you and alot of the other ignorant people in this thread seem to be under the guise that because I am disagreeing with your view, that I am on the other side.
I suggest the next time that you feel an urge to embarrass yourself and bore others, that you summon all your might, and resist.
Embarrass myself? Of course I'm embarrassing myself because the whole Battle dome is after me calling me an idiot. They're all saying I'm wrong aren't they? Never mind the fact that a admin has agreed with me, never mind the fact that I've been repped for my posts in here because people agree with me, nevermind the fact that there are other people posting in here that agree with my view. I'm embarrassing myself on a cosmic scale.
Let's laugh at Gai because he is embarrassing himself.
(Big blue Bold italics ftw!)
My suggestion to you is if you want to try and insult me intellectually then get some experience. Judging from the way you comprise and select your insults, I have been in far more debates than you ever will.
No I'm ignoring the parts where he tries to capitalize on inconsistencies found in the game. he said it himself game stats are incredibly unreliable. and in a long winded post, he only stated one thing.
Do you want to know why I said that? Because if I just said 'The marine will miss Sasuke most of the time' then I'll have wankers after me going 'omfg u fag the marine will rape saukes!' so instead I made two mammoth posts in here with a clear layout and evidence on solidifying my post.
marines wouldn't be able to hit sasuke cause of body flicker.
I did not say that. I said that the marine will not be able to get a clear lock on Sasuke because of shunshin no jutsu. Or at least implied it, take your pick.
so yeah, I did remove the unimportant parts.
You thought it was unimportant? :cry
I made them big because I thought you like it big
I haven't seen sasuke cut through anything even remotely close to the armor found on a terran marine. comparing kusangi which couldn't even cut through the thirds rod (harder than diamond lols.) what makes you think he'd cut through tempered neo-steel?
I have mentioned this point twice before in this thread alone, but you're one of the people that have selective reading capabilities. Don't worry, I'm a nice Gai, I'll repost it here again:
THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT THE EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE
Understand that point? Good.
I won't mention the fact that's it's a fallacy to assume 'Sasuke hasn't been shown to cut something that hard so that means he can't cut something that hard'.
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/1179583995942.jpg
I dont think so, the joints are pretty well armored, and the neck region isn't vulnerable.[/quote]
As Taichou said, I doubt that visor is as tough as the rest of the hide.
Your ignorance is baffling, the hydralisks were not killed by any bullets, the bomb on the ship detonated, neither did the hydralisks make any audible sounds, it was a fairly dark corridor so their missing a few (and really they didnt really miss in as much it didnt get through the carapace.)
for refernce here is the cut scene (in german lols) and you'll notice that half of what your saying is bullshit.http://youtube.com/watch?v=YuB5Tu9dyHE
Apparently you missed how the first hydraliask was killed. Please re-watch it. Also note how the grenade fired does not kill the hydralisk, in fact all it does is blow up the corridor up, creating some smoke which the hydralisks effortlessly walk through.
You also posted rubbish on the zerg ending. how would you knoe whether or not the bullets hit? the graphics on it was incredibly crappy (1998 game) even when the infested terran jumps right in front of the still shooting gun you dont even see any bullet wounds. Like I said your basing your entire argument on the graphical inconsistencies of a game.http://youtube.com/watch?v=263ZqtllwRg
So first you blame it on a plot-hole and now you blame it on 'graphical inconsistencies'?
What next, Jesus?
For the zergling and jeep thing, since when the fuck was it stated that the zergling was killed?
Well tell me something, if a zergling can survive a hit from a Battlecruiser (you know those capital size Terran vessels that are packed to the brim with firepower) then how can a jeep knock it out?
That's like saying it's reasonable for a stray rock to knock Spider-man out.
It was merely knocked down.
Of course, that's its Battle-cruiser level durability there.
Wait I know the real reason why, Jeeps are to Zerg as Kryptonite is to Superman! That's why!
Are you really a brick wall in real life? This is not a insult, this is a truthful question. You are very much like other twats in this thread, you completely ignore my other posts even though I take the courtesy to read yours.
Are you forgetting that Sasuke can 'teleport' around place? Do you think that the marine will know where Sasuke moves too? Do you think that the marine will instantly know where he is?
Even still if the marine shoots in Sasuke's general direction, what's stopping Sasuke from doing it continuously or something like that? The problem with YOUR arguement is that you talk like Sasuke will prance around like a little ninny. Well until you have a scan of Sasuke seriously doing that then I'm sorry, Sasuke will not be standing still in a fight.
Another point, it seems even if I bold italics my posts, some people still somehow miss it. Maybe they just have poor eyesight so I'll increase the font size and change the colour so it's more noticeable.What I'm getting at is what sasuke will do after teleporting around the marine. there is no visible weak spot that a sword can pierce through the armor. The visor is not ordinary glass or just plastic, this a environmental body suit that can with stand the rigors of orbital space. It's safe to say that it'd be bullet proof at the very least. And sasuke hasn't shown the strength needed too cut through materials like that.
You keep on going back to "well sasuke can shun his way out of it" and I ask you. What would he do after? cut neo steel? katon an enviromental suit? his only bet is chidori and you seem to conveniently forget that chidori is as loud as hell and is as bright as a fluorescent bulb on crack, and the first prep to it (the gathering of the chakra to the hand) requires him to stand still for the better part of thirty seconds. a trained marine can locate him and pump him up full of uranium. then there's the running charge, straight at the marine with a gun, not even be able to at least move in a zig zag motion to avoid the bullets. in both movies one or two bullets touched the zerg when they tried to charge forward like that, they shrugged it off because of their carapace, sasuke cant shrug off one bullet, one bullet to anywhere to his body would mean instant death or slow painful death from uranium poisoning.
Why are you asking me this strawman? Did I ever bring up the point of taijitsu or a katon? I do not believe I ever did thus I would like you to stop asking me irrelevent questions that are not pertinent to what I posted.
There is no straw man, I'm exploring what possible moves sasuke can pull off besides chidori (since chidori is a gambit at best).
Apparently you missed how the first hydraliask was killed. Please re-watch it. Also note how the grenade fired does not kill the hydralisk, in fact all it does is blow up the corridor up, creating some smoke which the hydralisks effortlessly walk through.
Whats baffling is even why you bring this up. Unless your trying to say sasuke can get hit by grenades or has the durability to with stand it then your just making a moot point.So first you blame it on a plot-hole and now you blame it on 'graphical inconsistencies'?
What next, Jesus?any body that watched this two clips can very much agree with me on this, it's clearly there for all to see.I have mentioned this point twice before in this thread alone, but you're one of the people that have selective reading capabilities. Don't worry, I'm a nice Gai, I'll repost it here again:
THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT THE EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE
Understand that point? Good.
I won't mention the fact that's it's a fallacy to assume 'Sasuke hasn't been shown to cut something that hard so that means he can't cut something that hard'.Unless sasuke can show feats portraying his ability to do so he very well cant. It's like saying konohamaru can <insert feat here > because it hasn't been proven otherwise. thats a load of bull right there.I did not say that. I said that the marine will not be able to get a clear lock on Sasuke because of shunshin no jutsu. Or at least implied it, take your pick.
any one with a third grade reading comprehension can very much see what your trying to say dont try to dodge around it or change your words.Do you want to know why I said that? Because if I just said 'The marine will miss Sasuke most of the time' then I'll have wankers after me going 'omfg u fag the marine will rape saukes!' so instead I made two mammoth posts in here with a clear layout and evidence on solidifying my post.and the ones that hit would bloody end the battle, sasuke cannot afford to get hit even once. You seem to have played the game and you do know that they have U - 238 shells. and Uranium is fucking fatal even at a distance. the two large posts you made are based on inconsistencies and you portrayed the entire thing in unfavorable light. anyone here who watches the videos can see for them selves what actually happened instead of listening to you take things out of context.
And I'll stop the insults if you stop the snide remarks and subtle insults, this is not an insult contest, but if I see anything even mildly resembling an insult I will retaliate.
Ok, time for me to destroy yet another thread.
Photon Canons can't kill Marines.
Guns can't kill Marines
Lasers can't kill Marines
Nuclear Aftershock can't kill Marines
Sasuke can't do shit.
Automatic win for Marine.
*THREAD CLOSED*
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05-27-2007, 06:57 AM
What I'm getting at is what sasuke will do after teleporting around the marine. there is no visible weak spot that a sword can pierce through the armor. The visor is not ordinary glass or just plastic, this a environmental body suit that can with stand the rigors of orbital space. It's safe to say that it'd be bullet proof at the very least. And sasuke hasn't shown the strength needed too cut through materials like that.
Proof? I mean if a zergling can get through a marine armour then why can't a chidori?
You keep on going back to "well sasuke can shun his way out of it" and I ask you. What would he do after? cut neo steel? katon an enviromental suit?
Again I would like to ask you why are you asking me what Sasuke will do. Did I ever seriously state that Sasuke will win? I do not believe I did. I am here to destroy the arguments of the idiots in here that don't even have a one-hundred point IQ between them.
his only bet is chidori and you seem to conveniently forget that chidori is as loud as hell and is as bright as a fluorescent bulb on crack,
Because of course the Marine can see behind him very well. He must have eyes on the back of his head. I mean they worked very well when that hydralisk cam from behind him right?
and the first prep to it (the gathering of the chakra to the hand) requires him to stand still for the better part of thirty seconds.
Because the Marine will instantly know where he is.
a trained marine can locate him and pump him up full of uranium. then there's the running charge, straight at the marine with a gun, not even be able to at least move in a zig zag motion to avoid the bullets.
Of course. Nevermind the fact that the whole point of the run is to move so fast, you can't even be seen.
But then again you've forgotten that Sasuke doesn't always need to do a run up to use a chidori, unless of course he somehow did use a run up when he first chidori-ed Naruto at the battle of the VotE.
in both movies one or two bullets touched the zerg when they tried to charge forward like that, they shrugged it off because of their carapace,
Do you have proof that the the infested terran was hit?
But I sense a 'plot-hole' here. If those bullets are so powerful and they were hitting that infested terran then why was the infested terran not showing any sort of pain? Even still, if he doesn't feel pain his body should at least recoil back a bit from where he was hit. I don't remember seeing that.
sasuke cant shrug off one bullet, one bullet to anywhere to his body would mean instant death or slow painful death from uranium poisoning.
Thank you for this insightful point. You have converted me completely, before I was under the guise that Sasuke could take many clips before falling over but now I realize that he cannot take many hits at all.
There is no straw man, I'm exploring what possible moves sasuke can pull off besides chidori (since chidori is a gambit at best).
Do you know what I mean by strawman? Strawman is to counter a side issue or point that is irrelevant to the point at hand. What's your point about talking about taijitsu or katons? You bought up the point of katons and taijitsu and pointed out they were useless. Great. Score one for Red.
Whats baffling is even why you bring this up. Unless your trying to say sasuke can get hit by grenades or has the durability to with stand it then your just making a moot point.
Nice dodge. Did you even read what part I was countering? I guess you didn't. I could type out what the purpose of that post was but you'll probably dismiss it or go on another off-topic tangent that you're more comfortable with.
any body that watched this two clips can very much agree with me on this, it's clearly there for all to see.Unless sasuke can show feats portraying his ability to do so he very well cant.
Again your ignorance shows. You really don't know what a no-limits fallacy is do you?
It's like saying konohamaru can <insert feat here > because it hasn't been proven otherwise. thats a load of bull right there.any one with a third grade reading comprehension can very much see what your trying to say dont try to dodge around it or change your words.
Look Einstein (or Strawman, which one do you prefer? You're a master at both titles), I never said that Sasuke could cut it nor did I say Sasuke couldn't. I was addressing your lack of understanding of fallacies. Apparently you are unfamiliar with them and still seem to be under the guise that because I am arguing against you, I am on the opposition. Again I will repeat this:
I HAVE NOT SERIOUSLY STATED THAT SASUKE WILL WIN. STOP ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE I AM DEBATING AGAINST YOU, THAT I AM SAYING SASUKE WINS.
But it's not just you Red, everyone seems to think that because I disagree with them, I'm on the opposition. Really it's a good indicator on whether or not someone is a seasoned debater or not.
and the ones that hit would bloody end the battle, sasuke cannot afford to get hit even once.
Yeah, what was that again? I think I forgot already. Please tell me again. I think I'm having some memory problems even though you just told me this a few paragraphs ago.
Oh and you better tell me one more time in case I'll forget again.
You seem to have played the game and you do know that they have U - 238 shells. and Uranium is fucking fatal even at a distance.
And this is relevant to the arguement how? Did I ever bring up the point of the power of those bullets?
the two large posts you made are based on inconsistencies and you portrayed the entire thing in unfavorable light. anyone here who watches the videos can see for them selves what actually happened instead of listening to you take things out of context.
Take things out of context? Is this your arguement now after 'plot-hole' and 'graphical inconsistencies'?
Things I have said that happened in the video:
The marine are not 100% accurate in them. Does the video prove me wrong because I've looked at them plenty of times and they sure as hell don't look like expert marksman to me.
The infested Terran was not hit. Well I said this before, considering how powerful you say those bullets are, the infested terran should have at least lurched back a bit if he was hit even once. Since I don't see much lurching then I'll assume that he wasn't hit. (Did Gai just assume? Oh noes! That's a fallacy or whatever big fancy word your sprouting out now!)
And I'll stop the insults if you stop the snide remarks and subtle insults, this is not an insult contest, but if I see anything even mildly resembling an insult I will retaliate.
Another good indicator that you are not a good debator. Newbies to big debates seem to be so defensive at anything, if anything so much as looks at them wrong then they'll flop out their e-penis' in defense. Yeah well don't worry, once you've been in enough then you'll realize that I do not hate you nor do I intentionally go out of my way to insult you. It's just who I am, if I see someone make a idiotic post then I'll lay onto them.
Oh and one thing, can you please address these points I made a few posts ago? I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you somehow missed them since you didn't reply to them.
Well if that is a plot hole then is the fact that a Marine destroying a Battlecruiser/Carrier or whatever a plot hole as well? Is the fact that a SCV can kill a Ultralisk/Archon/Siege Tank a plot hole as well? Is the fact that a single zergling can blow up a large mechanical facility a plot hole?
I do believe they are valid points that need addressing. Are they plot holes as well?
Proof? I mean if a zergling can get through a marine armour then why can't a chidori? Assuming he can charge it up and rush at him without getting hit by a bullet. but apart from that yeah anything short of a chidori isn't phasing the marine.
Again I would like to ask you why are you asking me what Sasuke will do. Did I ever seriously state that Sasuke will win? I do not believe I did. I am here to destroy the arguments of the idiots in here that don't even have a one-hundred point IQ between them. I'm on the case that the marine would win, it's not my fault if your no doing the same for sasuke.
Because of course the Marine can see behind him very well. He must have eyes on the back of his head. I mean they worked very well when that hydralisk cam from behind him right? You seem to conveniently forget that a marine like any other human has a sense of hearing and also The chidori is named the "chidori" because it makes the sound of a thousand birds, with the charge up time and the heighten sense of reaction time and reflexes that wouldn't be the best course of action.
Of course. Nevermind the fact that the whole point of the run is to move so fast, you can't even be seen.
But then again you've forgotten that Sasuke doesn't always need to do a run up to use a chidori, unless of course he somehow did use a run up when he first chidori-ed Naruto at the battle of the VotE.So fast you cant be seen?
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He was seen by a couple of 12 year olds, and hundreds of non ninjas, hardly covert. and I'd like to you take note of how far he had to distance himself ( a couple meters) and I'd like you to note how bright the chakra in his hand was even sakura from a couple stands in the bleachers could see it, hell she could even here it to, notice how long it took him to charge it up. They had the time to have a small conversation, lols. In that time a marine can easily shoot him regardless of whether he's behind him or not. also for the fact that you have to have a running start it'd mean sasuke would shun away from the marine then start charging it up. regardless of whether it is in front or not the marine will hear ( or see since the chidori is notoriously bright) turn in the general direction and fire and I dont think sasuke would dodge it since he is already in the process of charging up the move, thus being caught by surprise.
If those bullets are so powerful and they were hitting that infested terran then why was the infested terran not showing any sort of pain? Even still, if he doesn't feel pain his body should at least recoil back a bit from where he was hit. I don't remember seeing that. all zergs have a carpace that can with stand to a certain degree bullets, since the infested terran is a zerg then there is no reason for it not to have one. and from the amerigo cutscene you saw even when the zerg were shot the did not recoil, not because the bullets was weak(lols) but because they can take it seemingly effortlessly.
Do you know what I mean by strawman? Strawman is to counter a side issue or point that is irrelevant to the point at hand. What's your point about talking about taijitsu or katons? You bought up the point of katons and taijitsu and pointed out they were useless. Great. Score one for Red.
I was simply heading off the eventual " well then sasuke can just katon him lols" and was showing you that aside from chidori (which is a gambit, takes time to charge and does have a limit) sasuke wont be able to do jack.
Nice dodge. Did you even read what part I was countering? I guess you didn't. I could type out what the purpose of that post was but you'll probably dismiss it or go on another off-topic tangent that you're more comfortable with. So what point were you trying to make with this
Apparently you missed how the first hydraliask was killed. Please re-watch it. Also note how the grenade fired does not kill the hydralisk, in fact all it does is blow up the corridor up, creating some smoke which the hydralisks effortlessly walk through.It was completely moot and has little relevance to the topic at hand. But I maybe wrong. Care to explain it?
Look Einstein (or Strawman, which one do you prefer? You're a master at both titles), I never said that Sasuke could cut it nor did I say Sasuke couldn't. I was addressing your lack of understanding of fallacies. Apparently you are unfamiliar with them and still seem to be under the guise that because I am arguing against you, I am on the opposition. Again I will repeat this:
I HAVE NOT SERIOUSLY STATED THAT SASUKE WILL WIN. STOP ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE I AM DEBATING AGAINST YOU, THAT I AM SAYING SASUKE WINS.
But it's not just you Red, everyone seems to think that because I disagree with them, I'm on the opposition. Really it's a good indicator on whether or not someone is a seasoned debater or not. Lol wut? you make all these implied statements and when I counter them it's a fallacy. lols. well it's my own fault for falling into it not yours. that aside if your not here to prove that sasuke can win then your pretty much wasting your time and mine I should add. Or do you think your defending th uchiha honour by debating uselessly? lols.
Yeah, what was that again? I think I forgot already. Please tell me again. I think I'm having some memory problems even though you just told me this a few paragraphs ago.
Oh and you better tell me one more time in case I'll forget again.Yeah I think I should, lemme quote myself again.
and the ones that hit would bloody end the battle, sasuke cannot afford to get hit even once.
And this is relevant to the arguement how? Did I ever bring up the point of the power of those bullets?.......
And this is relevant to the arguement how? Did I ever bring up the point of the power of those bullets? Lol wut? your asking the relevance of a character's weapon in a battle? I believe your a seasoned debater and I shouldn't have to explain the most obvious connection.
Take things out of context? Is this your arguement now after 'plot-hole' and 'graphical inconsistencies'?
Things I have said that happened in the video:
The marine are not 100% accurate in them. Does the video prove me wrong because I've looked at them plenty of times and they sure as hell don't look like expert marksman to me.
The infested Terran was not hit. Well I said this before, considering how powerful you say those bullets are, the infested terran should have at least lurched back a bit if he was hit even once. Since I don't see much lurching then I'll assume that he wasn't hit. (Did Gai just assume? Oh noes! That's a fallacy or whatever big fancy word your sprouting out now!) Lol they hit their targets more than once., and you already know that once is enough. you dont need 100% percent accuracy when you have an automatic machine gun may be 60% or 70% but not 100.
Wow because the Infested terran didn't recoil it obviously means that it wasn't hit, forget the fact that the hydralisk was hit and didn't recoil, or maybe a single cut scene that was created a decade before is not a clear indication of things such as marksmanship. yeah base your argument on it it's really reliable.
*long winded apology*Apology accept.
Oh and one thing, can you please address these points I made a few posts ago? I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you somehow missed them since you didn't reply to them.
Which ones would that be, all I see are posts you just don't seem to wanna come to terms with.
I do believe they are valid points that need addressing. Are they plot holes as well? Like you said before, game stats are highly inconsistent, bringing them up is a waste of time.
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05-28-2007, 02:50 AM
Assuming he can charge it up and rush at him without getting hit by a bullet. but apart from that yeah anything short of a chidori isn't phasing the marine.
As I said, a chidori doesn't always require a run up.
I'm on the case that the marine would win, it's not my fault if your no doing the same for sasuke.
Oh you can think the marine will win, I'm not debating your opinion. However what I am debating is the idiotic arguement that 'bullets > ninjas' or 'The marine sprays Sasuke'.
You seem to conveniently forget that a marine like any other human has a sense of hearing and also The chidori is named the "chidori" because it makes the sound of a thousand birds, with the charge up time and the heighten sense of reaction time and reflexes that wouldn't be the best course of action.
Just because chidori means '1000 birds' doesn't it makes the sound of a thousand birds. Because if it did make the sound of 1000 birds then Kakashi or Sasuke would both be deaf by now.
So fast you cant be seen?
*some pictures which was over the picture limit*
I never said he couldn't be seen, I said the point of running up is so you can't be seen.
That and it's meant to increase the power of the thrust but you already know that.
He was seen by a couple of 12 year olds, and hundreds of non ninjas, hardly covert. and I'd like to you take note of how far he had to distance himself ( a couple meters) and I'd like you to note how bright the chakra in his hand was even sakura from a couple stands in the bleachers could see it, hell she could even here it to, notice how long it took him to charge it up. They had the time to have a small conversation, lols.
Of course. That's perfectly right. Assuming the fight is in a nice open location. Assuming that Sasuke is not far behind the marine. Assuming that Sasuke even needs a run up to break through the visor.
In that time a marine can easily shoot him regardless of whether he's behind him or not. also for the fact that you have to have a running start it'd mean sasuke would shun away from the marine then start charging it up. regardless of whether it is in front or not the marine will hear ( or see since the chidori is notoriously bright) turn in the general direction and fire and I dont think sasuke would dodge it since he is already in the process of charging up the move, thus being caught by surprise.
Again you assume that a chidori must require a run up. Do you remember the times that Sasuke and Kakashi have used it without moving?
all zergs have a carpace that can with stand to a certain degree bullets, since the infested terran is a zerg then there is no reason for it not to have one. and from the amerigo cutscene you saw even when the zerg were shot the did not recoil, not because the bullets was weak(lols) but because they can take it seemingly effortlessly.
But wait! If the zergling can survive a blast from a battlecruiser then a marine shouldn't even phase them!
Oh noes!
I was simply heading off the eventual " well then sasuke can just katon him lols" and was showing you that aside from chidori (which is a gambit, takes time to charge and does have a limit) sasuke wont be able to do jack.
Well that's fair enough but I'm not stupid enough to mention that.
So what point were you trying to make with this
It was completely moot and has little relevance to the topic at hand. But I maybe wrong. Care to explain it?
You said
Your ignorance is baffling, the hydralisks were not killed by any bullets, the bomb on the ship detonated, neither did the hydralisks make any audible sounds, it was a fairly dark corridor so their missing a few (and really they didnt really miss in as much it didnt get through the carapace.)
for refernce here is the cut scene (in german lols) and you'll notice that half of what your saying is bullshit.
I disagreed and referenced to the clip you showed.
Lol wut? you make all these implied statements and when I counter them it's a fallacy. lols. well it's my own fault for falling into it not yours. that aside if your not here to prove that sasuke can win then your pretty much wasting your time and mine I should add. Or do you think your defending th uchiha honour by debating uselessly? lols.
When you countered what? You said
any body that watched this two clips can very much agree with me on this, it's clearly there for all to see.Unless sasuke can show feats portraying his ability to do so he very well cant.
That is a fallacy. For example in Bleach, Aizen was shown that he didn't completely cut Ichigo in half. Does that mean that he cannot cut Ichigo in half just because he hasn't shown that he can?
Yeah I think I should, lemme quote myself again
What was that? I forgot again
Lol wut? your asking the relevance of a character's weapon in a battle? I believe your a seasoned debater and I shouldn't have to explain the most obvious connection.
Do you know why it's irrelevant to me? Becuase I never seriously said that Sasuke would win. I never said that the Marine cannot hurt Sasuke. I never said that the bullets will not hurt Sasuke
Understand?
Lol they hit their targets more than once., and you already know that once is enough. you dont need 100% percent accuracy when you have an automatic machine gun may be 60% or 70% but not 100.
Which brings me back to what I said in another post. That and it doesn't matter how much bullets are shot out if your target is not in front of you.
You seem to forget points I make in other points. Yes if the marine did start shooting in Sasuke general direction (and Sasuke was prancing around like a niny) then he'll obviously get hit, however if Sasuke was shunshin-ing around the place then the marine obviously won't know where to aim and shoot.
Wow because the Infested terran didn't recoil it obviously means that it wasn't hit, forget the fact that the hydralisk was hit and didn't recoil, or maybe a single cut scene that was created a decade before is not a clear indication of things such as marksmanship. yeah base your argument on it it's really reliable.
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Apology accept.
Well it was either that or I let myself be tortured by your stinging insults
Which ones would that be, all I see are posts you just don't seem to wanna come to terms with.
How can those be 'posts I don't seem to wanna come to terms with' when it's something I quoted from my post. That doesn't make any sense for me to quote myself and 'I don't wanna come to terms with' myself.
Like you said before, game stats are highly inconsistent, bringing them up is a waste of time.
Weren't you the person saying it's alright for a zergling to survive a battle-cruiser hit?
Okay since we're on the same page (sasuke will lose) there's really no need to continue or I'm too lazy but one thing I'd like to clarify is the chidori is LOUD and CONSPICUOUS so a sneak attack is out the window. It also takes time to charge and with that sound of a thousand birds and that light flashing like a mad electrical appliance then it's not all that useful. And he MUST run in a straight line at a given speed.
One Thousand Birds
Sasuke using One Thousand Birds
Name: Chidori, 千鳥, literally "One Thousand Birds", English "Chidori" or "One Thousand Birds" (used interchangeably)
Type: A-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Kakashi Hatake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakashi_Hatake), Sasuke Uchiha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasuke_Uchiha)This jutsu is Kakashi's only original technique, though he now uses an S-ranked version known as the Lightning Blade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28H-R%29#Lightning_Blade). He created it around the time he was promoted to Jonin, and later taught it to Sasuke. This jutsu channels a large amount of chakra into the user's arm. The amount of chakra is so great that it becomes visible to the naked eye. The technique actually alters the nature of the user's chakra, effectively converting it into electricity. As a side effect of the conversion process, the large amount of chakra, and the speed at which the user moves, this technique makes a loud noise similar to many birds chirping, hence the name (if the user is not in motion, it merely makes an electric crackling sound). Once the technique is completed, the user charges forward and stabs their enemy with it. The amount of thrust combined with the large concentration of chakra allows the user to stab through almost anything; as such it is usually fatal to the enemy. This technique is classified as an assassination technique because of the speed at which it is performed, despite the loud noise it produces.
This jutsu has a major drawback, however. The speed at which the attack must be done, combined with the fact that the user must run in a straight line, causes a tunnel vision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_vision)-like effect for the user. This allows their enemy to easily counter the attack, making it a potentially lethal move for the user. Though this drawback would seem to make learning the technique fairly pointless, Sasuke and Kakashi are able to avoid the drawback because of their Sharingan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekkei_genkai#Sharingan) eyes, which take in every detail regardless of how fast the user is moving. As an additional drawback, the large amount of chakra required limits its use to a few times a day (two for Sasuke, four for Kakashi). Sasuke can manage one more than normal with the use of his cursed seal. Should the user attempt to go beyond their limit, all of their chakra will be drained and their very life force could go along with it, killing them. An additional problem, though not necessarily a debilitating one, is the fact that the large amount of chakra can also injure the user's hand if they put too much force into the attack. Sasuke does this while battling his brother, Itachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29#Itachi_Uchiha), causing some of the skin to peel from his hand and leaving it slightly smoldering after the attack was finished.
In real history, Chidori was the name of katana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana) owned by famous samurai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai) Dousetsu Tachibana (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dousetsu_Tachibana&action=edit). The legend says that one day Dousetsu was neary hit by a lightning bolt while taking shelter from rain under a tree. He escaped by using his katana, Chidori, to split the lightning in half. Thereafter the name of the katana was changed to Raikiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raikiri) (雷切), in this context meaning "lightning cutter". Chidori also means plover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plover).
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this shows that moving in a straight line like that leaves you open for a counter (Lee's dialogue).
but we're repeating things, Sasuke would lose but depending on the terrain and lighting he'd have a hell of chance.
and rember guns dont kill people, people kill people and if the person holding the gun has shit for brains he'll have ha ass handed to him so guns dont "pwn" ninjas.
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05-29-2007, 02:21 AM
Okay since we're on the same page (sasuke will lose) there's really no need to continue or I'm too lazy
Where the hell did I say Sasuke would lose?
but one thing I'd like to clarify is the chidori is LOUD and CONSPICUOUS so a sneak attack is out the window. It also takes time to charge and with that sound of a thousand birds and that light flashing like a mad electrical appliance then it's not all that useful.
Why do I have to keep explaining this?
What's stopping Sasuke from performing a chidori from really far away out of hearing and view?
And he MUST run in a straight line at a given speed.[/quote]
Just like how Kakashi used it to kill Kakuzu right? He needed a run up there. Or how Sasuke used it against Naruto at the VotE right? Both had run ups?
this shows that moving in a straight line like that leaves you open for a counter (Lee's dialogue).[/quote
You're missing the context in which that was said, it was stated in a world where basically everyone and their grandmas, pet dogs and postman could hang upside down from trees, see things much better than any normal human and do weights that only the strongest normal human could.
That and the fact that there's a possiblity that Sasuke won't attack from the front.
[quote]but we're repeating things, Sasuke would lose but depending on the terrain and lighting he'd have a hell of chance.
and rember guns dont kill people, people kill people and if the person holding the gun has shit for brains he'll have ha ass handed to him so guns dont "pwn" ninjas.
That I can live with
Just like how Kakashi used it to kill Kakuzu right? He needed a run up there. Or how Sasuke used it against Naruto at the VotE right? Both had run ups?
In the VotE(Assuming you mean the last fight before he went to oro.) I believe sasuke did do it will running in all the cases he has used chidori he has used it while running (except for the second retrieval arc with sai).
And the reason kakashi didn't need the running charge is because what he did was not a chidori.Lightning Blade
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Kakashi using Lightning Blade.
Name: Raikiri, 雷切, literally "Lightning Edge" English "Lightning Blade"
Type: S-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Kakashi Hatake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakashi_Hatake)This jutsu is an enhanced form of the One Thousand Birds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28H-R%29#One_Thousand_Birds), and has the same, albeit more powerful, effect. Kakashi is the only one able to use it, and it is named as such because he once cut a lightning bolt with it before it hit the ground. This jutsu requires a larger amount of chakra and better chakra control. This is exemplified in their respective appearances. Whereas the One Thousand Birds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28H-R%29#One_Thousand_Birds) creates a large mass of chakra in one hand that appears near-white, the Lightning Blade is considerably more concentrated and appears in the normal blue color of chakra. Kakashi can only use this technique four times in a given day.
After the timeskip, Kakashi is able to create a Lightning Blade in each hand to attack two targets in unison, similar to the Twin Lightning Blade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28Other_media%29#Twin_ Lightning_Blade) introduced in Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto:_Ultimate_Ninja_2). Unlike its video game predecessor, however, Kakashi merely creates a Lightning Blade in each hand instead of splitting an existing one. He also demonstrates the ability to surround his own hand in electricity to increase the effectiveness of a chop. Doing so doesn't appear to be as stressful as the full technique, since he can do it in addition to his four-time limit.
Why in the world is this thread this long?
Durability: Terran Marine easily, he shrugs off Photon Blasts.
Speed: Sasuke obviously
Attack: Terran Easily
Techinque: Probably Sasuke
Durability + Attack > Speed + Techinque
Sasuke can't hurt Terran. Terran won't get hurt by Sasuke and has the weapons to kill Sasuke easily.
Khamzul
05-29-2007, 08:21 AM
Sasuke can't hurt Terran. Terran won't get hurt by Sasuke and has the weapons to kill Sasuke easily. I would say that Sasukes Sword of Kusunagi (http://devilbox.dead.org/n/301-310/308/Naruto_v35_ch308_p07.png) could cut a terrans armor, and I mostly stand by Gai's opinion in this fight. However, I would say that this really depends on the situation. Open space favors Marine, and enclosed spaces favors Sasuke. Where the line goes is up to definition. I personally would say that anything more dense then a rocky landscape (like Tsunade vs Jiraiya vs Orochimaru) would mean that Sasuke wins.
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05-29-2007, 08:57 AM
In the VotE(Assuming you mean the last fight before he went to oro.) I believe sasuke did do it will running in all the cases he has used chidori he has used it while running (except for the second retrieval arc with sai).
Did you forget what Sasuke did before Naruto started leaking Kyuubi chakra?
And the reason kakashi didn't need the running charge is because what he did was not a chidori.
They're the same things, just different names :/
Why in the world is this thread this long?
Durability: Terran Marine easily, he shrugs off Photon Blasts.
Speed: Sasuke obviously
Attack: Terran Easily
Techinque: Probably Sasuke
Durability + Attack > Speed + Techinque
Sasuke can't hurt Terran. Terran won't get hurt by Sasuke and has the weapons to kill Sasuke easily.
A marine can only take two photon hits in the game, three if it receives any armour upgrades. How on Earth is that 'shrugging off'? Please use your brain at least once, I know you haven't touched it for a while now but
And Bijuu, this is a serious question that I am going to ask you.
May you leave the battledome? I have not seen one post from you that even borders on intelligent. Ever
A marine can only take two photon hits in the game, three if it receives any armour upgrades. How on Earth is that 'shrugging off'? Please use your brain at least once, I know you haven't touched it for a while now but
Hahaha. Is that all you can do? Insult people?
May you leave the battledome? I have not seen one post from you that even borders on intelligent. Ever
No, but you don't have to insult people constantly.
Reznor
05-29-2007, 06:05 PM
Fine. If we are using game mechanics.
A zergling has.... what... 25 HP? And a jeep owns a zergling. The zergling couldn't function after it got hit, which means it was dead. Which means that a jeep does at least 25 damage. A marine would die from 2 attacks from a jeep. (i.e. Jeeps are more impressive then Photon cannons, lets not bring them up.)
Now, look at how far Naruto punched Sasuke in the VotE battle. That's way farther that a Jeep collision would throw you. And Sasuke took a few hits from that.... pre-time skip :omg
Going by that, Sasuke could easy take several Jeep hits, which are much more devastating then mere "Bullets"
His basic attacks would also tear up that Marine!
Now, let's stop rocking the game mechanics XD
What are you talking about? There aren't Jeeps in StarCraft...
Reznor
05-29-2007, 08:34 PM
What are you talking about? There aren't Jeeps in StarCraft...
Check out the first cut-scene in the Terran Campaign.
But that isn't in game mechanics.. are you sure you know what in-game-mechanics are?
Reznor
05-29-2007, 11:03 PM
But that isn't in game mechanics.. are you sure you know what in-game-mechanics are? We need something to compare the game mechanics to. If you want to use exclusively game mechanics, then I don't know how you'd do that. Sasuke doesn't go off the same system.
My point was that you can't just take the game's mechanics just like that.
I'm sure that a marine at 1 HP, at the brink of death, should be somehow disabled. I don't think that they are taking every hit that comes at them directly and to the face. It's an easier representation to have it not one-shot them, since they'll try to at least avoid bulk of the damage.
We need something to compare the game mechanics to.
Then that was a bad example. Since the zerg could've been like at 1HP and the Jeep coming at the Zerg could've taken 1 HP. Or maybe the Zerg was infected, etc etc
omgbbq
05-30-2007, 12:20 AM
Yeah, Photon blasts don't instant kill Marines, Chidori will just tickle him.
quoted for truth.
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05-30-2007, 01:18 AM
Hahaha. Is that all you can do? Insult people?
Hahaha. Is that all you do? Be stupid?
No, but you don't have to insult people constantly.
Hey at least I didn't neg rep someone and leave someone else's name
Hell I don't even neg rep fullstop
You're trash Bijuukage and I'm not saying that out of spite. You post in here without any idea of what you're truly putting yourself into, you try to be smart and ask 'smart' questions when in actual fact you make yourself look more dumb then you were before the question was fired. Your lack of reading skills is what hampers your true potential, maybe if you read some posts and does some small research and use that pea sized grey mass inside your skull, between the ears then you might rise past a 'complete and utter twat bag' to a plain and simple 'twat bag'. Seriously, do you have anything better to say? Did you even read any posts? Do you even have a brain with which to compute anything that has been already posted in this thread?
I'm not an easy guy to really tick off but for some strange reason, whenever I see the shite load that is a Bijuukage post, I just cringe. I cringe because you are wasting the oxygen that could be used for something more important, I cringe because whenever you eat or drink you are wasting food that could be better spent for something important like being thrown into the bin. How do you do that? How do you continously top the level of idiocy in your posts time and time again?
Well I could keep ranting but I'm woefully off-topic. And that's not good
STARCRAFT 2!
Green Lantern
05-30-2007, 01:33 AM
Oi oi! Easy there tiger! 1 strike
Hahaha. Is that all you do? Be stupid?
Again with the insults eh?
Hey at least I didn't neg rep someone and leave someone else's name
Ok? This is relevant how? Oh wait, it isn't.
Hell I don't even neg rep fullstop
You're trash Bijuukage and I'm not saying that out of spite. You post in here without any idea of what you're truly putting yourself into, you try to be smart and ask 'smart' questions when in actual fact you make yourself look more dumb then you were before the question was fired. Your lack of reading skills is what hampers your true potential, maybe if you read some posts and does some small research and use that pea sized grey mass inside your skull, between the ears then you might rise past a 'complete and utter twat bag' to a plain and simple 'twat bag'. Seriously, do you have anything better to say? Did you even read any posts?
Wow, if you knew anything you would know that if I am replying to you then I have obviously read your post -_-.
Do you even have a brain with which to compute anything that has been already posted in this thread?
Again, if I'm reading this then I obviously I have a brain. Same with replying.
I'm not an easy guy to really tick off but for some strange reason, whenever I see the shite load that is a Bijuukage post, I just cringe. I cringe because you are wasting the oxygen that could be used for something more important, I cringe because whenever you eat or drink you are wasting food that could be better spent for something important like being thrown into the bin. How do you do that? How do you continously top the level of idiocy in your posts time and time again?
You know you do have choice.. you don't have to reply to me. I don't even know why you wasted you time with that very long, irrelevant post of yours. I'll admit that your probably smarter then me seeing how I'm only 8 years old. But hey, its all fun and games to me :D
Green Lantern
05-30-2007, 01:59 AM
Time out.
As of this post, this thread is officially reset. Everything said or done before this post does not exist, bar the original post.
You may now begin debating this thread again.
Time out.
As of this post, this thread is officially reset. Everything said or done before this post does not exist, bar the original post.
You may now begin debating this thread again.
Its like time travel... woworz.
Anyway, I still think the Terran wins. But it won't be easy. Gai made some good points. Bullets won't be enough. But I think the Terran will win, assuming he is maxed out in armor, attack, and has plently of stim packs without the side effects. Ha.
FanB0y
05-30-2007, 04:19 AM
Sasuke wins because he has a name.
Reznor
05-30-2007, 07:59 AM
I don't see how the Marine could stop Sasuke from taking his gun.
I don't see how the Marine could stop Sasuke from taking his gun.
How bout holding unto it? I mean sasuke hasn't shown exceptional strength (so he cant cut thru neo-steel), the entire battle hinges on two things, chidori and the topography.
@gai sorry bout the pause.
can you give scans of sasuke performing chidori without the initial run up? Because I'm hella sure he hasn't done it (apart from the electricity all over his body thing).
Sasuke lacks the physical strength to stop a Marine from pulling his weapon out. It's kind of like Warhammer 40K, do you know what they do these guys? Their injected full of steroid and muscle growth hormones as well as genetic tampering and splicing to bring them far beyond any normal human's peak.
He will break Sasuke in half.
Darklyre
05-30-2007, 05:38 PM
Actually, are Starcraft Marines gene-modified? I thought they were only former criminals that had been brain-wiped.
Yes they have. Read the novels. Their basically like inferior versions of the Warhammer 40k Imperial Guardsmen.
Darklyre
05-30-2007, 06:04 PM
Yes they have. Read the novels. Their basically like inferior versions of the Warhammer 40k Imperial Guardsmen.
Uh, inferior to Imperial Guardsmen?
They wouldn't even be good enough for latrine duty, then. The IG are cannon fodder on levels of Episode IV-VI stormtroopers (even worse, because it takes them millions to achieve what a few brigades of stormtroopers could).
Uh, inferior to Imperial Guardsmen?
They wouldn't even be good enough for latrine duty, then. The IG are cannon fodder on levels of Episode IV-VI stormtroopers (even worse, because it takes them millions to achieve what a few brigades of stormtroopers could).
Well you know what I meant. The average marine in Starcraft > elite Jounins.
omg laser pew pew!
05-31-2007, 03:12 AM
How bout holding unto it? I mean sasuke hasn't shown exceptional strength (so he cant cut thru neo-steel), the entire battle hinges on two things, chidori and the topography.
@gai sorry bout the pause.
can you give scans of sasuke performing chidori without the initial run up? Because I'm hella sure he hasn't done it (apart from the electricity all over his body thing).
1 (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol26.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14215)
2 (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol26.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14216)
Remember that?
Even so, there is still a delay to charge it up and such. Not to mention that its supposedly loud.
Fenix
05-31-2007, 03:24 AM
Well you know what I meant. The average marine in Starcraft > elite Jounins.
Hmm no
The Marines in Liberty's Crusade sucked
The Marines in Speed of Darkness also sucked
What other novel am I missing ? I don't think I read all the Terran-focused books, or maybe I did
Average Marine in Starcraft are slightly above average rl marines. Not to mention their reflexes are severely hindered by the armor despite the protection it gives.
They never or even came close to exhibit the physical capabilities of an above Naruto ninja.
This is just a war of attrition, the Marine will run out of steam first.
Read the books, play the game, maybe visit -x17 on East if it still exists. This thread is choke full of SC noobs.
1 (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol26.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14215)
2 (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol26.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14216)
Remember that?
Well good point. but that doesn't remove the actual lag it takes to charge up.
Reznor
05-31-2007, 04:18 PM
How bout holding unto it? I mean sasuke hasn't shown exceptional strength (so he cant cut thru neo-steel), the entire battle hinges on two things, chidori and the topography. No, Sasuke can take it.
If Sasuke snatches it, it's not an equal strength context. His grip is stronger than Sasuke's pulling weight. Plus, Sasuke has way more hand-to-hand proficiency than the marine.
This is on top of the fact that you are underestimating Sasuke's strength. Ninjas that aren't known for their strength are decently strong. Look at Haku jumping with Zabuza on his back. The best direct evidence for Sasuke's strength is him lifting Naruto by the shirt with one arm pretty easily.
No, Sasuke can take it.
If Sasuke snatches it, it's not an equal strength context. His grip is stronger than Sasuke's pulling weight. Plus, Sasuke has way more hand-to-hand proficiency than the marine.
This is on top of the fact that you are underestimating Sasuke's strength. Ninjas that aren't known for their strength are decently strong. Look at Haku jumping with Zabuza on his back. The best direct evidence for Sasuke's strength is him lifting Naruto by the shirt with one arm pretty easily.
Sasuke is not Zabuza, Sasuke is not Gai. Sasuke is not Kakashi. Sasuke is not Kyuubi/Tailed Naruto. Sasuke is not Kakuzu. Sasuke is not Tsunade. Sasuke is not Lee. Sasuke is not Suigetsu. Sasuke is not Juugo. Sasuke is not one of the Sannin. Sasuke is not Haku.
Tell how that relates to Sasuke's lack of personal strength feats compared to their's and how Sasuke is somehow as magically strong as them? The Terran Marines in Starcraft, according to the game and books are altered and genetically engineered to surpass normal human limits by a signifigant fold.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong but the former half of this post is not, Reznor. Tell me how those ninjas feats make them Sasuke's?
Fenix
05-31-2007, 06:06 PM
The Terran Marines in Starcraft, according to the game and books are altered and genetically engineered to surpass normal human limits by a signifigant fold.
You're wrong
Go actually read the manual and novels
You're wrong
Go actually read the manual and novels
Even if I am, Sasuke is being over-rated when it comes to speed and strength. He has displayed no physical strength feats whatsoever.
Terran Marines can survive a few hits from Dark Templars and other higher tier units that are physically superior to them.
Don't see Sasuke taking on a Dark Templar and coming close to winning.
Reznor
05-31-2007, 06:35 PM
Sasuke is not Zabuza, Sasuke is not Gai. Sasuke is not Kakashi. Sasuke is not Kyuubi/Tailed Naruto. Sasuke is not Kakuzu. Sasuke is not Tsunade. Sasuke is not Lee. Sasuke is not Suigetsu. Sasuke is not Juugo. Sasuke is not one of the Sannin. Sasuke is not Haku.
Tell how that relates to Sasuke's lack of personal strength feats compared to their's and how Sasuke is somehow as magically strong as them? The Terran Marines in Starcraft, according to the game and books are altered and genetically engineered to surpass normal human limits by a signifigant fold.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong but the former half of this post is not, Reznor. Tell me how those ninjas feats make them Sasuke's? You're right.
Sasuke is obviously much weaker than most other ninjas.
That's why when Haku got in a weapon lock with Sasuke, Sasuke was easily overpowered and why he couldn't throw Haku away from Naruto.
Obviously, Sasuke needed to train his body a la the the Earth scrolls advice.
He's way weaker than anyone else in Naruto.
Fenix
05-31-2007, 09:31 PM
Even if I am, Sasuke is being over-rated when it comes to speed and strength. He has displayed no physical strength feats whatsoever.
Terran Marines can survive a few hits from Dark Templars and other higher tier units that are physically superior to them.
Don't see Sasuke taking on a Dark Templar and coming close to winning.
Let's see here
1. So you admit you were making stuff up
2. Terran Marines DO NOT survive few hits from dark templar. Dark Templar one shot them both at the unupgraded level and fully upgraded level - gratz on wrong again
3. Sasuke taking on a templar has nothing to do with Sasuke taking on a Marine
Let's see here
1. So you admit you were making stuff up
How am I making stuff up? I said if I'm wrong or mistaken, then I am. Don't be fucking stupid.
On that note, I haven't played Starcraft since 2001. I guess I'm stupid if I can't remember details like that from six years ago.
Fenix
05-31-2007, 09:57 PM
How am I making stuff up? I said if I'm wrong or mistaken, then I am. Don't be fucking stupid.
On that note, I haven't played Starcraft since 2001. I guess I'm stupid if I can't remember details like that from six years ago.
So you come into a thread, support one side using false information
Okay....so in other words you are wrong?
Sasuke > Marine then
Reznor
05-31-2007, 11:20 PM
A marine can't take on a D. Templar since he can't see it.
Sasuke, on the other hand, could react to hearing it and possibly spot the distortions caused by it.
Marines aren't good at dodging attacks. (Which he'd need to against a DT)
Sasuke is good at dodging attacks.
The fact that you think that a Marine fares better than Sasuke against a Dark Templar baffles me.
Sasuke, on the other hand, could react to hearing it and possibly spot the distortions caused by it.Lol wut? where is your basis for this?
No, Sasuke can take it.
If Sasuke snatches it, it's not an equal strength context. His grip is stronger than Sasuke's pulling weight. Plus, Sasuke has way more hand-to-hand proficiency than the marine.
This is on top of the fact that you are underestimating Sasuke's strength. Ninjas that aren't known for their strength are decently strong. Look at Haku jumping with Zabuza on his back. The best direct evidence for Sasuke's strength is him lifting Naruto by the shirt with one arm pretty easily.
Do you know what a terran marine is? To put it into perspective here's and excerpt from the preview of starcraft ghost
What was even more surprising is that the "boss" was a simple Terran marine. To a Starcraft player, a marine is basically a worthless grunt, useful only in numbers or against workers. On a real-world scale, however, a Terran marine is an enormous, ridiculously armored walking tank that outweighs a Ghost by a factor of about a billion.
I honestly dont see sasuke taking a gun from this guy. The problem is that the marines power isn't properly put into focus here. he isn't some guy where a couple layers of metal and holding a gun. and to think sasuke would just run up to him and take his gun is ridiculous.
Terran Marines shouldn't even be compared to Dark Templars. They shouldn't even have been brought up in this thread.What was even more surprising is that the "boss" was a simple Terran marine. To a Starcraft player, a marine is basically a worthless grunt, useful only in numbers or against workers. On a real-world scale, however, a Terran marine is an enormous, ridiculously armored walking tank that outweighs a Ghost by a factor of about a billion.This is the most ridiculously exaggerated quote I've ever read on these forums.
A billion times heavier than a Ghost!?
How could you bring this into a debate and expect it to be taken seriously?
This is the most ridiculously exaggerated quote I've ever read on these forums.
A billion times heavier than a Ghost!?
How could you bring this into a debate and expect it to be taken seriously?
Wow just because the person I quoted (an editor who previewed the game Starcraft ghost before it was canceled) employed the use of a hyperbole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)
doesn't mean you should miss the point entirely.
lols.
Khamzul
06-01-2007, 10:54 AM
^I still don't understand what you are meaning. How can we find anything useful in that quote when the whole sentence is a hyperpole?
Lol wut? where is your basis for this? Kakashi reacting to someone invisible (http://devilbox.dead.org/n/241-250/242/naruto_ch242_p13.png), then someone might take into account the sharingan (http://devilbox.dead.org/n/241-250/242/naruto_ch242_p19.png). I won't speak for Reznor, but I think this would be my basis for such a assumption.
^I still don't understand what you are meaning. How can we find anything useful in that quote when the whole sentence is a hyperpole?must you make me point out the obvious? A terran marine is heavily armored in real world comparisons that was the point I was trying to buttress.
Kakashi reacting to someone invisible (http://devilbox.dead.org/n/241-250/242/naruto_ch242_p13.png), then someone might take into account the sharingan (http://devilbox.dead.org/n/241-250/242/naruto_ch242_p19.png). I won't speak for Reznor, but I think this would be my basis for such a assumption.
Gejutsu and invisibility are two different things. don't confuse them
Kimimaro
06-01-2007, 01:35 PM
must you make me point out the obvious? A terran marine is heavily armored in real world comparisons that was the point I was trying to buttress.
Gejutsu and invisibility are two different things. don't confuse them
So is ninjutsu and genjutsu, don't confuse them.
Reznor
06-04-2007, 12:24 PM
I'm willing to hear this thing about Marines being like tanks - I could very well be underestimating them. Do you have anything besides this guy's quote? He uses alot of exaggerations, so I hope you understand that I can't accept that at face value.
Though, I also don't think you are correctly putting Sasuke's power into focus. Sasuke can move much faster than a human can see. That kick that starts the lion combo is pretty powerful. A kick like that to the hand would make it impossible to hold the gun, regardless of how armored he is.
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And about spotting the DT, I meant that Ninja have great senses. He could hear the DT, since they aren't inaudible and that they have great vision. (Sakura saw the CS on Sasuke's neck from hundreds of meters away while Sasuke was moving + fighting. They also heard Neji and Naruto's conversations. They have great senses. Sasuke's is going to be even better since he's naturally observant and he has the sharingan.)
Wow just because the person I quoted (an editor who previewed the game Starcraft ghost before it was canceled) employed the use of a hyperbole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)
doesn't mean you should miss the point entirely.
lols.......hyperbole is just a synonym of exaggeration.
Did you even read that article?
So because I didn't say hyperbole instead of exaggerate(when both are synonyms) in my post, it's somehow funny?
Also, you're trying to bring an heavily exaggerated statement, one that doesn't even try to hide it's bias, into this discussion?
must you make me point out the obvious? A terran marine is heavily armored in real world comparisons that was the point I was trying to buttress.Then you should have just said that, instead of quoting someone that's just a game (p)reviewer. He's not even someone from Blizzard.
If you had gotten a less exaggerated quote from one of the creators of StarCraft, while also citing a source, then I would have had no reason to disbelieve you.
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