Alright..let us talk about gay-bashing.

[Catatonik]

Specifically as it exists in the music cultures.

Hip-hop, Black-metal and Hardcore fans this is especially for youse guys.

So, the hip-hop culture (ESPECIALLY the mainstream sewage, but not limited to) is riddled and rife with gay-bashing hate. The anti-homosexuality vitriol spewed by so many emcees from so many different walks is frightening. I mean, the anti-homosexual contempt is building and building and leaves on to wonder what kind of explosion is going to result from it.

Even otherwoise intelligent Emcees such as Immortal Technique, Vinnie Paz and others drop derogatory anti-gay sentiments like candy through their usually intelligent, open-minded and thought-provoking lyrics, further re-inforcing an already monolithic stereo-type of hate and ignorance.

The black-metal genre....well, it has its issues as well. Racism, bigory, sexism..all are prevalent through the insular and withdrawn black metal communities. With gay-bashing and fag-raging being some of the communities favourite hobbies.

The same goes for much of the Hardcore communities.

At one point, metal as a whole was extremely anti-gay, but once the man called the Metal God came out of the closet...it was kind of hard for the majority to still adore his music and spend their spare time fag-bashing.

Anyone with two ounces of brain meat can realize that such ignorance is exactly that. Ignorance, unfounded bigotry and prejudice re-inforced by negative stereo-types and fear.

The growing bigotry of these communities is something we as a music fans should be aware of and leery of. The inevitable result is going to be messy if the music communities refuse to expand, and musicians keep enhancing these stereo-types out of fear or greed.

Hip-hop needs its own Rob Halford to come out of the closet and say, "I am gay, but I will kick your ass in a battle".

hell, a gay battler who was good would be a nice start.

You know, someone who when called gay or fag, laughs, accepts it and returns fire with a zinger about getting dick on his terms not the opponents.

The fact is, as far as basic reality goes:

Homosexuality is common. In all cultures. It is never going to go away.

A person should have the right to have consensual sex with peers of their choice. Not spend their time being slagged by people who feel that men liking men, is a threat to their own heterosexuality.

Hell, most guys should pray for more gays. It means greater odds of getting a woman.

Whatever the case though, this viral bigotry is a dangerous disease and one that needs to be fought with everything we can bring to bear.

[Dr. Boskov Krevorkian]

No, they're not.

It's the artists themselves, not the genre of music.

[Catatonik]

Another big problem is, at least in my town, there are rising anti-gay sentiments in Punk rock.

Dudes, Darby Crash of the immortal Germs was gay. Punk is supposed to be about being against the common thought, because common thought sucks. Well guess what, prejudice is not limited to racism, and punk rock, specifically Oi! punk already have enough problems with that.

As for the problems in Hip-Hop, black metal and hardcore: Well that's just one more reason not to listen to these types of music. It's royally shitty music, with bad sentiments.

Thank you for helping to add a dash of ignorance to a conversation ABOUT ignorance.

Firstly, I am talking about a trend, not the genre as a whole. It is a trend within the sub-cultures associated with these genres I am speaking out against, not the genres.

Black metal, hip-hop and hardcore all have amazing music created by open-minded awesome people.

The surface is just covered in fecal matter (but that is a rant for all music).

If you are not a fan of the three genres, sucks to be you, but do not drop ignorant lines like 'it's royally shitty music with bad sentiments' it makes you look like another waste of DNA.

[erictheking]

I would say it's an issue of society in general, so the artists behind the music are the ones holding anti-gay views rather than any particular genre of music inherently holding them. Meaning those people would dislike gays whether they were in the music business or not, probably.

By the way, Immortal Technique and Vinnie Paz are both Muslim so it shouldn't be really surprising. But anti-gay sentiments are much more overtly existent in dancehall, ragga, etc. as compared to hip-hop.

[Catatonik]

Except that dancehall and ragga do not have the world-wide impact that Hip-hop has now, or metal had in the eighties.

I am not saying it is the fault of the genres, merely that the prevalence of said bigotry in each genre is turning into a self-perpetuating monster.

Look at the growth of anti-homosexual lyrics and themes in the past ten years of hip-hop.

Also, Technique has said he is not Muslim, merely that he is representing the underdogs side his views. The interview he stood as an Agnostic.

But I did not know Vinnie was Muslim.

Still, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu or otherwise, is irrelevant. Each of these cultures needs to also face up to the issue. Homosexuality is both natural and common.

[Efraim Longstocking]

I haven't heard much gaybashing in lyrics. Nothing really serious, anyway. I might not listen to the right (meaning: wrong) artists.

Yup, more gay guys is what we need, but lesbians should only exist in porn. :nod

I wouldn't consider homosexuality natural in any way, though. Basiclly because the meaning of sexuality is reproduction. Humans of the same sex can't complete that task. Despite that, I think people have the right to decide whom to love or fuck without taking shit from anyone.

From experience, the gay men I have met somewhat speak in a terribly annoying way. You notice that they are gay before they mention it. It's like they parody the common prejudices that TV, etc. projects of them.

[Catatonik]

well then there is that double-standard where women being bi-sexual is hot, and encouraged.

[Efraim Longstocking]

Well, that's because men thinks of them as a chance for a threesome. Very hot.

I could never see myself have a gay relationship. Maybe some experimentation could be fun. I have actually got turned on by guys to, although porn guys are hideous. Actually I don't get turned on much by regular porn at all. Just very hot lesbian sex, hentai and erotic novel. My imagination works a lot better.

[Catatonik]

Porn is a trigger for the visual sensors
not necessarily sexy.

But the bi-sexual female=hot, but bi-sexual men=VILE is a really idiotic double standard to be continuously re-inforced.

[Hokage Naruto]

But the bi-sexual female=hot, but bi-sexual men=VILE is a really idiotic double standard to be continuously re-inforced.

But so is the n-word, and if that was enforced sadly a decent amount of hip-hop would be gone or drastically changed good and bad.

[Efraim Longstocking]

Actually, the last person I kissed was a dude. :oh

I started "gay chicken" with him and I had no idea he was bi. It wasn't hot.

[Catatonik]

But so is the n-word, and if that was enforced sadly a decent amount of hip-hop would be gone or drastically changed good and bad.

Who said anything against enforcing a ban on the word or anything? I am saying the communities need to wake up and realize how ignorant and hypocritical this stance is.

I know the mainstream is the primary problem, but that will implode soon enough. I am trying to spark conversation here concerning this issue.

What it comes down to, is that fans and artists alike need to confront this problem, individually and as a collective so we can continue to grow.

[sj2k]

The thing with the n word hokage is that whether or not you agree with it, when hip hop artists use the word nigger, or nigga, they don't have the hate behind it that they have with fag. They don't actually hate black people, to them its just a word, I have heard some people talk about using it to claim the word back from the hatered. But the gay bashing is just that, its not trying to bring it to the forefront, its not in good fun, its actual bashing of an entire group of people.

I agree its something that needs to be stopped. But I would say its the idea behind it, not the words themselves so much that need to be stopped. Like I said with nigger, its not seen as bad today in the hip hop culture for the most part (at least main stream) because its not seen as being used with any harmful intent. But the gay bashing does have harmful intent, and hate behind it.

[Catatonik]

Well said my friend, well said. ^

[Efraim Longstocking]

What if fags use the word fag?

[Catatonik]

It is not the word that is the problem. A word is just a word, it is the whoile implication that homosexuality is wrong that is the problem.

Like the word Nigger, Fag is used often by the targets of the hate themselves, often as a positive indication.

It is not the word, but the motivation behind the word.

[cygnus]

I didn't know Rob Halford was gay. I never really sought information about him though....

I heard some hilarious gay rapper dude, forget what his stage name was, but he pretty much talked about raping guys with his posse of gay, black dudes and taking out his oppressed childhood on them and stuff...

He was actually a really good gangster rapper, but I've never really taken any rap seriously....

[Steven Pinhead]

...Okay bitches, who negged me without leaving a name?

[Dre]

i really dont care.

[Jink]

I remember watching a documentary on WHYY(i think) about homosexuality in Hip-Hop music. It was really good to but I can't seem to remember what it was called. I'll try and look it up.

[Catatonik]

That would be cool.

and appreciated.

[Jink]

Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes is a documentary written and produced by Byron Hurt, which aired on the PBS Emmy-winning series, "Independent Lens." The documentary explored the issues of masculinity, violence, homophobia and sexism in hip-hop music, through interviews with artists, academics and fans. The premiere of the film took place at the Sundance Film Festival, being welcomed by a standing ovation. It has also won Best Documentary at the San Francisco Black Film Festival and screened at the Roxbury Film Festival.
Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes on PBS.com (http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/)
Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip-Hop:_Beyond_Beats_and_Rhymes)

I'm pretty sure this is the documentary I watched. I recommend it to anyone who is interested on the topic. Sadly I couldn't find a torrent.

[Ram]

The genres mentioned put a premuim on machismo; strength, manlines, virility, traits which are considered to be lacking in homosexuals. Plus they're an easy target; insulting sexuality will never be as controversial as making remarks about race or or nationality, you won't get an immediate gay rights uproar if so it will be civil. Making comments about homosexuals is also a way to reinforce their own masculinity.

[Tehol Beddict]

I want to expand on this a bit. Stepping away from the mainstream, since they've hardly anything worth listening to to say, and looking more at the ones you seemed surprised with, like Immortal Technique, making it a prevalent ingranation of thought pattern rather than individual homophobia, as it might seem. I'll explain why, or try to.

As ram said above, it is an issue of machismo, strength, virility, etc, some very base animal qualities of the male psyche. These things are not very commonly associated with the gay male, who is rather generally believed to be a more sensitive, effeminate type, breaking a boundary between male and female traits that the traditional male consciousness literally screams in protest to. [The male/female duality ties into what I'm saying as well, as we've made it a struggle against the same front. Should be pretty easy to see what I mean once you've read it]

Now, I'm not sitting here telling you that all straight men are meat eating bulk lifters, or that all gay men are teary eyed soap watchers. What I'm saying is that the perception eventually and inevitably gave way to vernacular. Vernacular that, even as homosexuality becomes more and more accepted [across the US anyways, where we still struggle with false christian ideologies on the subject] took stronger and stronger root. The reason for that is simply a balance of duality.

Regardless of what anyone would like to believe, we are animals at heart, and our instincts tell us to hunt and be strong, compete for power, territory, and mates. This has turned into certain social practices over time, as all of our instincts to necessity do. The issue with social practices and duality arises when the intentionally consuming/adaptive social construct and our intelligence as a whole is forced to accept something outside of ourselves that opposes the natural dominance of a founding idea, as it was simply not programmed to comprehend beforehand. So, into our macho world, homosexuality becomes, once again, more publicly prevalent, forcing into the construct, a dash of metaphysical perspective. It doesn't take place immediately; you only need to look at the news for the last five years to see how it fights against the change its undergoing. Petty things, like refusing rights and marriage, trying to make compromises, anything to not give the heart of itself up to reformation. Sort of like the secretly weak villain in a bad movie backing away crying and begging from the quipping overzealous hero who refuses to see anyone's plight but his own.

Sensing, finally, that the change is inevitable [after all, we created the social construct collectively for this very thing, knowing that on an individual level, the vast majority could not adapt, mentally] we fall back on our last bastion; the power of words. Now, we are clever enough to realize that saying fag and queer won't last as direct insults to the homosexual community. However, what if, over a period of time, they were fortified in vernacular rite, as a cry to our manly roots, and the echo of a long dead challenge to all that opposes it? That's not insulting gays, unless it is their mantle of choice to agree with the effeminate labels we gave them then, labels that we ourselves now agree are wrong.

This looks a bit into the future obviously, but it gives a look into why artists we respect as intelligent people and writers would still be able to say such things. It's just the world preparing its thorn for the new guys. Pun totally fucking intended. Take that Adam. Oh, double-whammy! ...Triple blow! Etc, ad infinitum.

-

In parting, let me address this issue of bisexuality that you brought up [rather, let me open with it so I can sort of segue]. I am one of those who will watch two women and a man, yet will turn away otherwise. Why? Too much dick, and I'm unattracted to it to the point that if it outweighs the number of women involved, nothing is done for me. Now, there is a psychological failing on my part here. I am well aware of this, as I am well aware of how, exactly to break down the boundaries involved in my psyche. To take it from here to the roots without another paper-worth of discussion, however, let me point out that the struggle present in the social structure above has an underlying horror backing, and that is the knowledge that if you delve just too far into adaptive/accepting psychology, in the end, it is a much more hungry beast than it lets on; and demands, in the depths, far more than acceptance, it commands that you become it. The reason we seek bastions such as vernacularizing words is simply to maintain enough separation between acceptance and the abyss that is the singularity. Without the struggle and the little secret victories, we lose ourselves.

You know how we always talk about the mainstream [masses/society/etc], and how it has no soul, personality, or heart? It did that to itself to meet our demands; so if nothing else, at least respect the fact that it fights to protect our individuality, even though we've [necessarily] blinded it from the beginning and made it specifically to take all the blows that we didn't want to, or couldn't. Sure, it fights the wrong things sometimes, and fails far too often to stop internal stagnation, but, certified genius though I am, I cannot even fathom a stronger construct.

Though, in favor of the singularity, in looking at these things in this angle, it is very clear that we would be a phenomenal collective, far beyond the comprehension and abilities of current thought. I wish there was just one person who had programmed and masterminded these systems so I could go up to him and slap him across the face, before telling him how fucking amazing I think his mind is. Yahweh wouldn't have shit on that guy.

[Catatonik]

I cannot believe I completely missed this post.

Well said Mike.

My beef is that the truly intelligent artists can and should be able to break from the instincts tha lessen their intelligence and in turn lessen their open/mindedness.

More importantly though, I honestly think music is one of the greatest ways to crack these sad stereotypes and to give an outlet to intelligent mental evolution, and cultural-social growth.

[CalRahhh]

How 'bout some anti-gay bashing lyrics? :zaru

Clawfinger - The Faggot In You

Is it the faggot in you that's doing the talking,
why can't you accept what you see
Could it be you're afraid that you're not quite as straight
as you've been making yourself out to be
Cos' you talk about it like it's a disease
In desperate need of a fast remedy
You keep on telling us all how you feel so damn sorry
For their pain and all their agony

The male that's inside of you
is rejecting the female inside of you, find the faggot in you

Tell me one thing why can't you realize
It's not something a person can plan
It's not like you wake up and get out of bed
And decide to fall in love with a man
It's either there or it's not and there's no right or wrong
And there's no big decision to make
Cos' we are what we are and we feel what we feel
And that's something you'll just have to take

The male that's inside of you
is rejecting the female inside of you, find the faggot in you

If you're so sure and you feel secure
About yourself and your reality
Then why do you need to reject and refuse
Where other people stand sexually
You've got a problem if you have a problem
With seeing two people embrace
Cos' regardless of sex race colour or creed
It's something you'll just have to face

The male that's inside of you
is rejecting the female inside of you, find the faggot in you

If you're so certain that you can't fall in love
With a man then what is there to fear
It could well be that the truth of the matter
Is in fact that you're actually queer

[Catatonik]

Nice post, cannot say I have heard the track, but I will probably track it down out of curiousity.

[Big Boss]

People are going to have their opinions on gays. You can't change it. I watched this one show where there were people who were talking about gay bashing and they were saying things like "OH I don't mind it's not a big deal, It's who they are..." and all that jazz until they asked them what they would do if one of their children where gay and they all answered "oh hell no, i woudn't have that in my house" and everyone else agreed. It was pretty funny. I can be open minded about the issue to an extent, but it would just disgust me if I saw men being openly gay.

[Catatonik]

...it would disgust you if you saw men being openly gay?

Why?

Seriously.

What is it that offends people so much about men liking men (or the double standard of being okay with lesbians)?

Honestly, what is the big issue?

it is NOT unnatural, homosexuality appears in many animal species, and has a pretty good reasoning don not believe me? Read a book entitled Sex, Time and Power).

[Big Boss]

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or anything but I suppose it's just the way I was raised. If I come across the book I'll take a look at it.

[Audrey]

I think Cata's on to something with this topic. The amount of downright fear of gays among black metal fans these days is alarming. A lot of bands don't care about it one way or the other, but the political ones (which I don't really listen to anyway) are mostly against it, and the majority of their fans are horrified of the idea of homosexuality.

However, there are also musicians like Gaahl of Gorgoroth, who is now openly gay, and bands like Wolves in the Throne Room who don't care one way or the other about stupid things like that.

[hokageryu]

mmm this is a very touchy topic with some people and i have honestly learned a lot, i have some gay friends both male and female and they are normal people, i don't know why people treat them like they are weird or abnormal, they are humans like the rest of us they think the same, they are the same. So i just think its rather weak for a person to have to use hatred towards gay people to try and sell their music, and on the note on Halford after i found out i was like now some of does lyrics make sense lol

[Cathodic.Catherine]

It doesn't really matter that these people are encouraging homophobia in their music. It does influence the fans most but these bands and rappers will eventually have to realize that there is nothing they can do about homosexuals and homosexuals will have to realize that there is nothing they can do about these homophobic artists. There will always be an issue concerning homosexuals because of religious beliefs and cultures. It's simply a matter of human nature and beliefs. I personally feel that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as they don't cause harm. But everyone must accept that there will always be people that contradict certain beliefs. It's inevitable that there will be homosexuals as well as homophobes in this world for as long as humans exists.

[Trias]

...it would disgust you if you saw men being openly gay?

Why?

Seriously.

What is it that offends people so much about men liking men (or the double standard of being okay with lesbians)?

Honestly, what is the big issue?

it is NOT unnatural, homosexuality appears in many animal species, and has a pretty good reasoning don not believe me? Read a book entitled Sex, Time and Power).

Nah, you see, there's nothing wrong with being disgusted with two men having sex or kissing them. There really is not. It's as natural as being disgusted by seeing some random guy shitting in his toilet. Everyone has rights to get disgusted by whatever he or she wants to.

Problem is, showing that disgust, and trying to eradicate the source, instead of accepting it as disgusting and just moving on. There are people that don't like dogs. Most of them just stay away from them, and live on. That's what people should do about gays (or any kind of people that they don't like) instead of trying to change them or ruin their lives.

We humans sometimes take things so serious.

[Catatonik]

A number of good arguements, and concerning the indivuality issue, I am sadly inclined to agree with that.

Yet, while there will always remain homophobes, that in now way alters my initial question concerning the growing prevalence among certain genres (and sub-genres) and the fact it is a push towards INCREASED antipathy towards this specific sub-group.

I hate to admit you have a point as well Trias, and well said.

[CrazyMoronX]

I think the media's pro-gay movement is more influential than a few bands calling people fags. You either hear both sides of the fence, or we don't have freedom of speech anymore.

[Cathodic.Catherine]

I think the media's pro-gay movement is more influential than a few bands calling people fags. You either hear both sides of the fence, or we don't have freedom of speech anymore.

Very well said.
I tend to see the pro-gay movement becoming bigger than the anti-gay movement. I actually think there might be a decline going on in the anti-gay movement. I mean, my mom [a strict conservative Christian] took me to a gay guy to cut my hair. That's far from where she was last fall.
And even so, who are we to take away homophobics' right of freedom of speech? If homosexuals are aloud to come out of the closet, homophobes should be aloud to express themselves. We should be grateful they do it with words here instead of violence like the middle east.

[Psallo a Cappella]

Personally, I've seen this occur in all genres, not only the ones you have singled out, OP. Just as groups of people, some are going to fit the stereotype, but many will not.

[Mrs.Lovett]

I like songs without words :zaru

I guess I just haven't noticed this type of stuff, since I normally don't listen to those said genres. But if it exists there, then it probably exists in all genres of music. You say it's more prevalent in metal & hip-hop probably just means there are more social conservatives who make those types of music.

[Catatonik]

Well, at the very least it has sparked some conversation.

Yes, the anti-homosexual sound is in all genres of music, though its growing prevalence within the listed genres is the most visible.

I am definitely pro-free speech. Very much so.

I am mostly curious as to why people think this growing trend is happening, where they stand on it and how they deal with it (especially as fans of said genres), as well as to get people to acknowledge and talk about this movement.

I am glad to see people make an effort to intelligently think about and respond to the OP, and thank you all for providing real answers instead of just bollocks one-liners.

[Gooba]

Let me start by saying I'm probably pretty ignorant of a lot of the music industry, so here is just an idea I'm throwing out and I'll let you guys who know more tell me I'm way off base or if there might be something to it.

I think that a lot of it is due to the counterculture nature of those genres and music in general. With gay acceptance becoming more and more mainstream these artists looking to rebel against the norms have started adding gay bashing to their lyrics.

As far as homosexuality being disgusting, or the "double standard" I disagree that it is wrong. I am personally very disgusted by male homosexuality. I am also disgusted by orange juice, steak, and shepherd's pie. I'm not a bad person because any of those disgust me, and I'm not bad because when I get hungry I don't fantasize about having a juicy steak. However, if I was to hate everyone who liked OJ and try to get it outlawed, then I'd have a problem. You guys can eat whatever you want whenever you want, I just shouldn't have to feel ashamed that I turn away.

Now lesbians... I shouldn't feel bad that when I get really hungry I think about a lot of bread and ketchup (my fav food). I'm OK if you think I'm disgusting for liking it, just don't try and stop me.

When it comes to sexual preferences there is no racism, sexism, ageism, double standards, or anything else. There is just what you like.

[CrazyMoronX]

Very well said, Gooba.

I'm actually quite open to letting bygones be bygones, ignoring what people do, and letting whomever do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't interfere with me. When it starts interfering with me, then it becomes a problem.

I'll listen to a song with anti-gay lyrics as well as one with pro-gay lyrics all the same if the music itself is enjoyable. That's all I really care about. I don't care about a few groups getting their feelings hurt, and I refuse to give them any power by supporting them. You don't like it, don't listen to it.

[Altron]

Very well said, Gooba.

I'm actually quite open to letting bygones be bygones, ignoring what people do, and letting whomever do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't interfere with me. When it starts interfering with me, then it becomes a problem.

I'll listen to a song with anti-gay lyrics as well as one with pro-gay lyrics all the same if the music itself is enjoyable. That's all I really care about. I don't care about a few groups getting their feelings hurt, and I refuse to give them any power by supporting them. You don't like it, don't listen to it.

^Agree with this totally.

[King]

The artists, imo, are representing their own views towards the certain topics, and do not necessarily represent the whole genre of hip-hop/rap music.

[Bishiri no Jyoou]

fuck the gays dont get your panties in a twist love; what gooba said is my honest opinion

[King]

fuck the gays dont get your panties in a twist love; what gooba said is my honest opinion

Maybe you shouldn't put um tags around the important part.

[Bishiri no Jyoou]

you're right.

i've been negged already :(

[Catatonik]

Act like a chump, get treated like a chump.

Simple enough.

[Killa Cam]

Specifically as it exists in the music cultures.

Hip-hop, Black-metal and Hardcore fans this is especially for youse guys.

So, the hip-hop culture (ESPECIALLY the mainstream sewage, but not limited to) is riddled and rife with gay-bashing hate. The anti-homosexuality vitriol spewed by so many emcees from so many different walks is frightening. I mean, the anti-homosexual contempt is building and building and leaves on to wonder what kind of explosion is going to result from it.

Even otherwoise intelligent Emcees such as Immortal Technique, Vinnie Paz and others drop derogatory anti-gay sentiments like candy through their usually intelligent, open-minded and thought-provoking lyrics, further re-inforcing an already monolithic stereo-type of hate and ignorance.
The hood aint checking for gay niggas. u :mad?

Hell, most guys should pray for more gays. It means greater odds of getting a woman..

*Pause* That's wild homo. Ole it's raining men ass nigga.

Step up your game if you praying more gays will make up for your lack of one.

[Cell]

Another big problem is, at least in my town, there are rising anti-gay sentiments in Punk rock.

Dudes, Darby Crash of the immortal Germs was gay. Punk is supposed to be about being against the common thought, because common thought sucks. Well guess what, prejudice is not limited to racism, and punk rock, specifically Oi! punk already have enough problems with that.

As for the problems in Hip-Hop, black metal and hardcore: Well that's just one more reason not to listen to these types of music. It's royally shitty music, with bad sentiments.

Punk has a long history of gay bashing. Moderat Likvidation's infamous "Anti-Fag Music" tape, the Meatmen's slew of gay-bashing songs, Aryan Disgrace's "Faggot in the Family" single, Iron Cross' "Psycho Skin" song, punk has been a very homophobic/sexist genre.

Anyways, when did Darby Crash become gay? I've never heard anything about that.

And, finally, HARDCORE IS A STYLE OF PUNK. Black Flag, Circle Jerks, all of those 80s bands are hardcore. Hardcore is not Hatebreed, all that tough guy shit. I mean, hip hop, black metal and hardcore aren't always homophobic. That's a generalization. Hip hop has a lot of amazing artists, like Shing02 who is a self proclaimed pacifist who speaks out against that kind of thing.

[Yōkai]

There's only 2 things i cant stand at all

1-Homophobia
2-gay people

[Cell]

There's only 2 things i cant stand at all

1-Homophobia
2-gay people

Very obvious contradiction is very obvious contradiction. :LOS

[Lord Yu]

Let me start by saying I'm probably pretty ignorant of a lot of the music industry, so here is just an idea I'm throwing out and I'll let you guys who know more tell me I'm way off base or if there might be something to it.

I think that a lot of it is due to the counterculture nature of those genres and music in general. With gay acceptance becoming more and more mainstream these artists looking to rebel against the norms have started adding gay bashing to their lyrics.

As far as homosexuality being disgusting, or the "double standard" I disagree that it is wrong. I am personally very disgusted by male homosexuality. I am also disgusted by orange juice, steak, and shepherd's pie. I'm not a bad person because any of those disgust me, and I'm not bad because when I get hungry I don't fantasize about having a juicy steak. However, if I was to hate everyone who liked OJ and try to get it outlawed, then I'd have a problem. You guys can eat whatever you want whenever you want, I just shouldn't have to feel ashamed that I turn away.

Now lesbians... I shouldn't feel bad that when I get really hungry I think about a lot of bread and ketchup (my fav food). I'm OK if you think I'm disgusting for liking it, just don't try and stop me.

When it comes to sexual preferences there is no racism, sexism, ageism, double standards, or anything else. There is just what you like.

You don't like orange juice?:uwah

[mystictrunks]

:laugh @ Vinnie Paz being an intelligent rapper.

[Hangatýr]

You be hatin' on da Pazman? :pek

[Killa Cam]

You be hatin' on da Pazman? :pek
For real the Pazmanian Devil be coming with mad smarts. This dude probably read the bible while watching Will and Grace.

[mystictrunks]

You be hatin' on da Pazman? :pek

I like JMT a lot but Paz just says off the wall shit half the time now.