Venom (Marvel comics) versus Sasuke Cursed Seal II (Naruto Part II)

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This is current Sasuke who have access to (some of?) Orochimaru's skills since he have absorbed him.
For instance when he used the snakes to stop Jugou and Suigetsu from killing eachother.

The fight takes place in Tokyo.

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This is some major rape.

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I know that Venom can dodge bullets and that he is superior to Spider-man in all aspect's (with the exception of intelligence) and that he is in the 40 tons class.

But Sasku would at least be able to cause some damage, wouldent he?

And woulent Sasuke have any sound based attacks? - After all he lived in the Sound village for 3 years - symbiotes are weak to sound.

[Enclave]

I know that Venom can dodge bullets and that he is superior to Spider-man in all aspect's (with the exception of intelligence) and that he is in the 40 tons class.

But Sasku would at least be able to cause some damage, wouldent he?

And woulent Sasuke have any sound based attacks? - After all he lived in the Sound village for 3 years - symbiotes are weak to sound.

Actually, Spidy is a fair bit faster and easily more agile than Venom. Also Venom's emulation of the Spider Sense isn't anywhere close to as effective as the real thing. Spidy's is true pre-cognition while Venom's is the symbiont seeing what's happening and then relaying the information to his host which takes a split second thanks to the human brain and how long it takes to process the information. Of course then there is the fact that Venom's reflexes are human level (the symbiont's are super human so bullet dodging is all the Symbiont and not a concious effort of the host to dodge them) however Parker's natural reaction times trump even the symbiont's.

Spidy's web also appears stronger than Venom's (Venom would never be able to hold Ironman in webbing the way we saw Spidy do it in the preview). Basically the only edge Venom has on Parker is strength/durability and really his strength is quite variable depending on the writer. You see I have seen Venom written as being just a LITTLE stronger than Parker (around class 11 while Parker was class 10) while he has also been written as considerably stronger than Parker and even about equal with Carnage (though I don't think I have ever seen him quite on the level of Toxin). Of course this was pre-The Other.

Also the way Spidy is currently being written, he would probably decimate Venom.

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Also, we have 0 evidence that Sasuke has any sound based attacks. Also it is high pitched sound that Venom is weak against not just sound in general, has to be quite a high frequency/volume. Now then, if Katon's weren't so painfully useless in Naruto I would say Sasuke has a CHANCE at winning if he got lucky and hit with a prolonged one on Venom but again, Katon's are horribly useless in Naruto and besides Venom would likely avoid the Katon anyways unless it was a VERY wide spread attack.

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Oh and just so you know, not all symbiont's are weak against fire and sound. If I recall Carnage doesn't have the fire weakness and I THINK Toxin doesn't have the fire or sound weakness (each generation is stronger than the last when it comes to the Symbiont's)

[Sylar]

Venom easily wins.

[Random Nobody]

This is a joke right? Your only argument for how Sasuke could win this is that he might have some Sound-based attack that could possibly affect Venom and that he just hasn't used it yet. Venom destroys Sasuke.

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Appearently fire separates Eddie Brock from the symbiot as well, Katon techniques will be his downfall.
Sasuke has the speed advantage as well, he moves faster than the naked eye (his encounter with Naruto, chapter: Reunion) Venom don't.

[Sylar]

Whose eyes?

Perception is different in people.

Saying someone is "faster than the eye can see" might not aply to someone else's eyes.

[St. Jimmy]

Venom Defanetly

[Aokiji]

In one fight he traded blows with the Juggernaut (bitch), as I heard. What can Sasuke do against Venom?

[Hale]

Well he has katon's and venom can be seperated from his symbiote, Is venom even fast enough to hit sasuke?

[ZergKage]

Sasukes best chance would be a Katon followed by cutting whomever the OP is using under the symbiote which i could see happening.

[Linkdarkside]

sasuke(part1) not using sharingan can kill venom very easy

[Enclave]

Appearently fire separates Eddie Brock from the symbiot as well, Katon techniques will be his downfall.
Sasuke has the speed advantage as well, he moves faster than the naked eye (his encounter with Naruto, chapter: Reunion) Venom don't.

Lol, Venom is capable of fighting Spider-Man. Trust me, Venom has the speed advantage.

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Lol, Venom is capable of fighting Spider-Man. Trust me, Venom has the speed advantage.
But Sasuke is no push over anymore, seriously he took down Naruto's entire team.
He also manage to overcome Orochimaru and absorb him.

Naruto is actually getting pretty stable and imbalanced at the same time.

And as Venom has the spider-sense Sasuke has the Sharingan to foresee the foes moves.

And Naruto got his head driven through granite when Sasuke fought him for the first time (for real) and still survived.

[Enclave]

So? Sharingan isn't going to help much considering how fast Venom is. The eyes will see it but the body won't be able to react fast enough. Also Venom has taken hits from people much stronger than Spidy and Spidy by the way is able to punch through concrete like it was paper.

While he isn't as fast as Spidy he is still fast enough to avoid gun fire and the symbiont itself has reaction times capable of catching bullets midair with the goo it is made of (the host doesn't have this level of reaction times but that doesn't matter much as the Symbiont will protect the life of it's host).

[Random Nobody]

Well he has katon's and venom can be seperated from his symbiote, Is venom even fast enough to hit sasuke?

Yes he is and Katon's don't matter if you dodge them.

sasuke(part1) not using sharingan can kill venom very easy

I really hope your joking.

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Have you ever considered that Venom might dodge the bullet's before they come out of the gun, maybe he see's the cop's trigger the gun's.

Because a human eye taks 18 pictures per second, and normal human's can see Venom no matter how fast he runs.

Why do people underestimate Naruto so much?

[Random Nobody]

You missed the part about catching bullets didn't you?

[The last Dalek]

Wich venom is it Mac Gargen or Eddy Brock

It dosnt really make though Venom still eats him

[Enclave]

We aren't under-estimating Naruto, we just know that Naruto characters are not going to be surviving against Venom. Venom is just faster and stronger than the Naruto characters.

I'm so sick of people making vs topics with Naruto characters against opponents they just don't stand a chance against. Happens way too often.

[The last Dalek]

Wich venom is it Mac Gargen or Eddy Brock

It dosnt really make a diference though Venom still eats him

[Giovanni Rild]

Giant fireball jutsu and kill. Make a bushin to distract

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You missed the part about catching bullets didn't you?
Yeah I did, can you post a scan of it?

[omgbbq]

venom wins..

[Enclave]

Yeah I did, can you post a scan of it?

The Symbiont catching bullets or would Spidy doing it be good enough? Finding scans of Spidy is MUCH easier than finding scans of Venom.

[Suzumebachi]

Make a bushin to distract

Spider sense.

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The most Sasuke could do is paralyze him using Chidori Nagashi. If that doesn't work, the rape is confirmed.

[Reznor]

We don't exactly know what he can do in Part 2. Who was he actually fought seriously? Orochimaru, who took him down, via a trick.

We don't know what he can do, it's all speculation.

Sound and Fire attacks will work effectively. Problem is that Ninja suck against people with precog, since it makes it hard to sneak attack. He'd have to get it to a point were, even though Venom knows its coming, he can't do anything about it.

Sasuke's planning is more reactionary. i.e. he reacts intelligently and quickly, but only one or two moves ahead. So, he'll probably have to actually out speed or near speed Venom.

Again, hard to say, since we don't know enough about Sasuke at this point.

[Suzumebachi]

Sound and Fire attacks will work effectively.

Its disappointing how many Sound ninja don't even use sound jutsu.

[Reznor]

Its disappointing how many Sound ninja don't even use sound jutsu. Yeah, there's no assurance that he will use Sound attacks.

[Dark Evangel]

I doubt that Chidori would do anything.

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Spider sense.

When did Venom have spider-sense

And I say this'll be a very very good match since Venom could easily tank most of Sasuke's attacks (I don't see chidori hurting him much). Sasuke will need to rely on a katon but all Naruto katon fail so they probably won't hurt Sasuke

Also Sasuke has the speed to match Venom at least, he'll get pounded into the ground in a pure brawl through

[Giovanni Rild]

Dosu can beat him. He revolves around sound jutsu.

[AbnormallyNormal]

sasuke wins. venom is strong and fast but sasuke is even faster, although not stronger. but sasuke will use sharingan genjutsus to fuck up venom's mind then just shoot lightning bolts through him repeatedly, or blow him up with fire from sasuke's mouth, or have a shit load of snakes poison bite him

[Heartgobbler]

Ok, so we have another Narutoverse vs ... thread.

I am disappointed to see most of it is trolling. There are however some people who give valid arguments.

Now, here are my thoughts.

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Venom's abilities:

physical stats: He is obviously very strong. He can leap about as far as Spider-man, He was able to throw a small car at about 50 metres.

He is agile but much less so that Spider-man (that's what saves Spider most of the time). He certainly hasn't got spider sense. (when Spider-man planted a bug on him, Eddie didn't realise it until the symbiote moved it into his sight. Also, there are many instances of Venom getting hit with projectiles, such as his battle against Styx and Stone )

toughness: bullets won't take him down but they do sting. (I remember Stone's darts hurt enough to make him angry.) As for blunt trauma, he can safely take a blow from someone of similar strength to his own.

Other powers: can scale walls, produce web, change color to become invisible. He can extend his symbiote into tentacles but any body part that gets uncovered returns to normal human strength and durability.

Vulnerabilities: sound and fire.

Other factors: experienced fighter. His double mind could protect him from mind attacks but I have no proofs to confirm or deny that.

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Sasuke's abilities. (considering CS II)

physical stats: Sasuke's strength hasn't really been shown in the show, his best feat being shishi rendan (kicking a guy several metres into the air). However, most ninja in the series proved capable of jumping between trees while carrying more than their own weigth (such as Sasuke in a barrel)
He can jump very high (he can also fly in CS form) He is fast enough to blitz other ninjas (see - latest manga episodes)

toughness: During the Valley of the End battle, enraged Naruto punched CSII Sasuke, pushing him about 3 feet into solid rock. Sasuke was merely out of breath.

Other powers: can use various ninjutsu, especially fire and lightning. (It is a logical assumption that he has no sound jutsus. All the sound jutsus we have seen so far required some sort of tool, such as an implant, bells or special gauntlet. Sasuke has no such thing. ) While fire jutsus rarely hit, this is a factor of narration not jutsus themselves. Also, Sasuke could use large area fire jutsus even before timeskip.

Sharingan: sharingan gives Sasuke two important abilities. First, it allows him to perform genjutsu attacks without handseals. Second, it gives him perfect perception of movement, even to the point of motion prediction. This allows him to both dodge attacks, even very fast ones, and to successfully attack fast-moving enemies. (During Konoha invasion, he was able to survive several minutes against half-released Gaara. His sharingan had 2/3 of its full power back then)

Equipment: lightning-edged sword, various thrown weapons, bomb tags.
( I think chidori can pierce Venom. This is exactly what it was designed for - piercing tough targets. It was able to pierce Gaara's sphere of sand. It went right through Kakuzu's iron skin, which had been able to take Chouji's spiked meat-tank without a scratch.)

weaknesses: overconfident. prone to giving speeches. time limit to CS mode.

other factors: after timeskip, Sasuke can also be considered "experienced". However, he is still reluctant to kill, which could be his undoing in this battle.

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Putting it all together, I don't see a curbstomp either way.

They both have a number of surprises up their sleeves.

Sasuke has more means of really hurting Venom and will win if he puts them to proper use. What he must look out for most, is Venom's web. If he gets entangled, his advantage of mobility will be denied and Venom will be able to use his superior strength to its full potential.

[FireEel]

Which writer for Venom?

In his weakest form he loses to Spiderman, in his strongest he defeated classic Juggernaut in a physical brawl.

[Gunshin]

What speed feat does Venom have that tops Sasuke's?

[Heartgobbler]

in his strongest he defeated classic Juggernaut in a physical brawl.

... god. I hope they fired the guy who wrote that issue.

I mean, classic Juggernaut allowed Cannonball from X-force to ram him at full speed and the poor chap almost got himself killed.

He continued to fight after being reduced to a bloody skeleton

He took only 10 second to get his sight back after Shatterstar put a pair of swords through his eyes.

He stopped Thor's hammer by staring at it intently

He toppled one of WTC towers.

Whoever had him defeated by Venom in a straigth fight must have been drinking at work.

[Gunners]

Venom would get his ass kicked. Against post timeskip Naruto and Sasuke I don't really see him winning this match. Tajuu KB, possible zombies, summons. Futon Rasengan, Chidori sword. He would get handled.

Bleh I read it as Naruto and Sasuke against Venom. Meh, I still think Sasuke would win, if a Katon blast is effective against Venom I see him landing the blast at some point during the fight. The only way I think he would lose the match up is if he were to run out of chakra.

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Venom would get his ass kicked. Against post timeskip Naruto and Sasuke I don't really see him winning this match. Tajuu KB, possible zombies, summons. Futon Rasengan, Chidori sword. He would get handled.

Bleh I read it as Naruto and Sasuke against Venom. Meh, I still think Sasuke would win, if a Katon blast is effective against Venom I see him landing the blast at some point during the fight. The only way I think he would lose the match up is if he were to run out of chakra.

Two things

1. People think that abit of fire will instantly wtfpwn a symbiote. That is not the case. During 'Maximum Carnage', Venom was being tortured by Carnage, this involved holding him over a fire and blasting him with soundwaves as well as hitting him. Venom survived this and came back and owned Carnage

2. Naruto katons suck

[Havoc]

Which writer for Venom?

In his weakest form he loses to Spiderman, in his strongest he defeated classic Juggernaut in a physical brawl.

If by defeated you mean was pummeled by Juggernaut, then yes, he defeated calssic Juggernaut.

[Seto Kaiba]

Just putting this out, but wouldn't the symbiote try to abandon its host for Sasuke and take over him? Could it take over him?

[Havoc]

Why would it do that?

[Seto Kaiba]

Why would it do that?

Wouldn't Sasuke be likely stronger than its current host, at least without the symbiote? I thought it sought out stronger host bodies. I'm just asking.

[Havoc]

Wouldn't Sasuke be likely stronger than its current host, at least without the symbiote? I thought it sought out stronger host bodies. I'm just asking.

No, it wouldn't do that.

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Why is this thread 3 pages? What exactly is Sasuke going to do to Venom? Venom obliterates Sasuke within a minute.

[Reznor]

2. Naruto katons suck You've said this a few times now XD
Why do you think they suck so much?

Large ones, like the ones the 3rd used, or the one that missed Naruto in the VotE battle were pretty powerful. Are you sure you aren't characterizing them by the smaller scattershots?

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They don't do anything damage. Regardless of size. I mean, they can't even burn clothes.... Or anything really for that matter.

[Reznor]

They don't do anything damage. Regardless of size. I mean, they can't even burn clothes.... Or anything really for that matter.
When? Expect for Naruto. He's always a cheater.

[Hale]

Yeah katon's not working is generally a plotline issue, and i still don't see how venom can keep up with sasuke's speed then again i'm not a comic book guy so if i see some scan's i'll believe that maybe this is the rapestomp that everyone seems to think it is

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You've said this a few times now XD
Why do you think they suck so much?

Large ones, like the ones the 3rd used, or the one that missed Naruto in the VotE battle were pretty powerful. Are you sure you aren't characterizing them by the smaller scattershots?

Ok my apologies, not all katons suck. The one Asuma used actually hurt someone

Nevermind it was himself, at least someone was hurt

[Hale]

Ok my apologies, not all katons suck. The one Asuma used actually hurt someone

Nevermind it was himself, at least someone was hurt
You need to be fair though... out of all the elements in the naruto wheel, i think fire's the one i would absolutely make sure i didn't get hit with if i had a choice

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You need to be fair though... out of all the elements in the naruto wheel, i think fire's the one i would absolutely make sure i didn't get hit with if i had a choice

I think a fuuton or a doton would be worse

Those have actually hurt people.

[FireEel]

If by defeated you mean was pummeled by Juggernaut, then yes, he defeated calssic Juggernaut.

Who was the one running away and screaming, "I ain't paid enough to take this kind of punishment!"

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Who was the one running away and screaming, "I ain't paid enough to take this kind of punishment!"

If you know anything about Juggernaught then you would know that it was just bad writing. Juggernaught can make a force-field around himself so he pretty much can't take any damage. If angry Hulk or God Blasts from Thor can't hurt him then Venom can't

[Heartgobbler]

No, it wouldn't do that.

Actually, it would be logical for a symbiote to abandon a host for a stronger one (especially, one with more hatred to feed upon). But Venom symbiote is already permanently bound to Brock. Last time it tried to abandon Brock (when Spider-man offered to welcome it back) it just ended knocking Venom out.

Why is this thread 3 pages?

Read it and you will know. Its only three pages.

What exactly is Sasuke going to do to Venom?

Ditto

Yeah katon's not working is generally a plotline issue,

Yea. It seems to be suffering from Zabuza Sword syndrome. That is, it never strikes anyone important (bacause that would mean mutilating/killing someone important). But it is a factor of narration, so if Sasuke landed in Marvel universe, it would no longer apply.

Note that against other people (that is, not the important ones) Katon is effective even in Narutoverse. During the hospital roof fight, Sasuke breathed a large fireball and although the real Naruto was not affected, 50 of his clones weren't so lucky.

[Gunners]

Two things

1. People think that abit of fire will instantly wtfpwn a symbiote. That is not the case. During 'Maximum Carnage', Venom was being tortured by Carnage, this involved holding him over a fire and blasting him with soundwaves as well as hitting him. Venom survived this and came back and owned Carnage

2. Naruto katons suck
Naruto Katons could take out a house, they don't suck. Being held over a fire is diffrent to getting hit by a fire blast.

I have realised something with Naruto. If a character survives a deadly jutsu, people will automatically assume the jutsu is weak and not see the possibility that they possibly underrate the durability and in times evasive skills of Naruto character.

Ahhh well, I guess it is too easy to say ''Naruto loses'' and hop on the bandwagon.

[FireEel]

If you know anything about Juggernaught then you would know that it was just bad writing. Juggernaught can make a force-field around himself so he pretty much can't take any damage. If angry Hulk or God Blasts from Thor can't hurt him then Venom can't

It wasn't bad writing, it was fucking bad writing.

It's hard to identify what is bad writing anymore. We get Spiderman who knocks out Fire Lord, Wolverine who can hurt the Hulk, Captain America who can dodge bullets...

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Naruto Katons could take out a house, they don't suck. Being held over a fire is diffrent to getting hit by a fire blast.

Well a katon is pain only for a few minutes at most, Venom was held over the fire for around a whole day. That's a very big different

I have realised something with Naruto. If a character survives a deadly jutsu, people will automatically assume the jutsu is weak and not see the possibility that they possibly underrate the durability and in times evasive skills of Naruto character.

It's quite a common joke that Naruto katons suck. It's really anything serious, just a inside joke

Ahhh well, I guess it is too easy to say ''Naruto loses'' and hop on the bandwagon.

Screw you, I'm one of the few people that defend Naruto in this forum. Most of the other retarded posters here jump on the comic bandwagon even those idiots haven't read a single comic in their whole life. If anything, Naruto supporters should thank me

It wasn't bad writing, it was fucking bad writing.

It's hard to identify what is bad writing anymore. We get Spiderman who knocks out Fire Lord, Wolverine who can hurt the Hulk, Captain America who can dodge bullets...

Well I'm a Venom fan so I liked it :D

[Giovanni Rild]

It wasn't bad writing, it was fucking bad writing.

It's hard to identify what is bad writing anymore. We get Spiderman who knocks out Fire Lord, Wolverine who can hurt the Hulk, Captain America who can dodge bullets...

Logan started out as a Hulk villain.

[Comic Book Guy]

Rild is right -- Wolverine did started out as a Hulk villain.

[Enclave]

Granted it has been a LONG time since I read that comic, however wasn't Hulk fighting somebody else in addition to Wolverine and Wolverine didn't really accomplish much at all in that fight? Also it was only in 1 comic so I would hardly consider that a "Hulk villain".

Also on the subject of the Symbiont leaving Mac Gargan for Sasuke. Sorry that isn't how the Symbiont chooses it's host. While it likes super powered people it will not leave it's current host unless the other being is preferred and like I said, it's not just about super powers.

If it was all about powers then Brock would have lost the Symbiont a whole lot sooner than he did. Fact is that the symbiont LIKES Brock just like the Carnage symbiont LIKES Cletus (both non-powered). Currently the Symbiont is merged with Mac Gargan, I bet you anything that if the Symbiont thought it had a chance to re-merge with a willing Peter Parker or Eddie Brock it would leave Mac in a second, however I doubt there is anybody aside from Parker or Brock who the Symbiont would leave Mac for.

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Granted it has been a LONG time since I read that comic, however wasn't Hulk fighting somebody else in addition to Wolverine and Wolverine didn't really accomplish much at all in that fight? Also it was only in 1 comic so I would hardly consider that a "Hulk villain".

Also on the subject of the Symbiont leaving Mac Gargan for Sasuke. Sorry that isn't how the Symbiont chooses it's host. While it likes super powered people it will not leave it's current host unless the other being is preferred and like I said, it's not just about super powers.

If it was all about powers then Brock would have lost the Symbiont a whole lot sooner than he did. Fact is that the symbiont LIKES Brock just like the Carnage symbiont LIKES Cletus (both non-powered). Currently the Symbiont is merged with Mac Gargan, I bet you anything that if the Symbiont thought it had a chance to re-merge with a willing Peter Parker or Eddie Brock it would leave Mac in a second, however I doubt there is anybody aside from Parker or Brock who the Symbiont would leave Mac for.

While I largely agree with you, the Venom symbiote and Eddie ended up despising each other before it left him. However I place that purely on plot and Marvel wanting to new host for Venom