Akatsuki vs X-Men

[masamune1]

Akatsuki: Itachi, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochimaru

X-Men: Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Storm, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Psylocke

Both teams have been fully briefed on each other. All jutsu Akatsuki have shown is allowed.

Location: (Abandoned) New York City.

Just to show you that Akatsuki really would make decent opponents for the X-Men.

Begin!

[A]

Be more specific, the X-men you have named have many versions, both alternate and prime states.

For instance Wolverine was in his prime when he had the RV crystal, which basicly made him Eternity.

Then we have Gambit, new sun who can destroy planets at whims.

And so forth.

If it's their weakest version I'll go for the Akatsuki though, otherwise the X-men.

[masamune1]

Be more specific, the X-men you have named have many versions, both alternate and prime states.

For instance Wolverine was in his prime when he had the RV crystal, which basicly made him Eternity.

Then we have Gambit, new sun who can destroy planets at whims.

And so forth.

If it's their weakest version I'll go for the Akatsuki though, otherwise the X-men.

All are classic X-Men. Wolverine has Adamantium skeleton, but no cosmic powers. Gambit can blow stuff up, but not on a planetery-scale.

They are strong, but not ridiculously so.

[TWF]

X-Men win. Storm will blast them all into the atmosphere.

[Shuntensatsu]

Wolverine's Jobber Aura takes this.

[Comic Book Guy]

Be more specific, the X-men you have named have many versions, both alternate and prime states.

For instance Wolverine was in his prime when he had the RV crystal, which basicly made him Eternity.

You mean the Crystal of Ultimate Vision?

Was the enemy who originally used the crystal was as strong as Eternity?

Then we have Gambit, new sun who can destroy planets at whims.

No, not really.

New Sun accidently burnt up all the people on the planet in a ritual gone wrong.

Then New Sun destroyed the planet when full-power Gambit overloaded him with Gambit's own energies. Unable to handle or maintain his own and Gambit's energies/powers, he exploded, taking the planet with him.

[A]

You mean the Crystal of Ultimate Vision?

Was the enemy who originally used the crystal was as strong as Eternity?

The RV crystal, it was stated that he surpassed the Phoenix, and he looked like Eternity.

No, not really.

New Sun accidently burnt up all the people on the planet in a ritual gone wrong.

Then New Sun destroyed the planet when full-power Gambit overloaded him with Gambit's own energies. Unable to handle or maintain his own and Gambit's energies/powers, he exploded, taking the planet with him.
Point is he could do it again, if he lived that is.

[masamune1]

Wolverine's Jobber Aura takes this.

No Jobber Aura. No Plot no Jutsu. Just the villains fighting the heroes. And Gambit and Wolverine.

[Comic Book Guy]

Two critical things:

Battlefield?

How far are they apart from each other?

[Shadow Replication 1480]

How do the Akatsuki have strong mental defenses? Plus, it's kinda pointless to mention that since there's no telepath on the X-Men team(Psylocke's a telekinetic now, no TP).

[Darklyre]

Deidara would be tripping balls upon seeing Psylocke, since she's invisible to cameras, apparently. His normal eye would see her, his mechanical one wouldn't.

[masamune1]

Two critical things:

Battlefield?

How far are they apart from each other?

It's New York, and it's abandoned. Read the start.

They start off, say... 30 feet part from each other. They can all go throughout the city, and separate if that's how it unfolds.

How do the Akatsuki have strong mental defenses? Plus, it's kinda pointless to mention that since there's no telepath on the X-Men team(Psylocke's a telekinetic now, no TP).

Well, I'm sure that mentally they're tough as nails. Sabretooth once resisted a mind-probe just by thinking of something else. If he can do it, so can they.

But it was just something I put in for the match, such is my priviledge as threadstarter.
And your right, it kind of irrelevant, but I originally had Jean Grey in the match.
I took her out because, if things got serious, she could probably take out the whole other team by herself. It's a little unfair.

[Artificial_Sunshine]

Err, as much as I would like to see this battle, American Comics heroes vs. ANYONE from manga is kind-of overkill.

Psylocke (the Crimson Dawn powered version) could take down Akatsuki by herself... (Anything involving magical goo deserves to be mentioned)

Maybe if it was like, Dust (from New Mutants) and Leila Miller (HoM) we could have some form of debate... (I say Leila is immune to Tsym...Itachi, because her main power is to revert fake realities to the correct ones)

Can we have another X-men vs. Akatsuki, minus the omegas? Maybe Akatsuki vs. New Mutants, or Gen X...

[Shadow Replication 1480]

Sabertooth's also had his mind fucked with almost as much as Wolverine, so that's not really the same thing. Plus, a mind probe isn't the same as someone mentally raping the shit out of you, but since Jean's not there, it's pointless to keep talking about it so I'll drop it.

Back on-topic: I'd have to give it to the X-Men since it's in NYC which is basically their backyard and there's no one around for them to worry about saving if the fight gets out of hand, so they can do as much wide-area damage as they see fit. I can see the nins taking down a few of the mutants, but they honestly have no way to stop Wolverine and if Storm gets in the air, they are colossally fucked.

[mystictrunks]

Cyclops opens his visor and massacres the Akatsuki.

[MdB]

Err, as much as I would like to see this battle, American Comics heroes vs. ANYONE from manga is kind-of overkill.

No, just no.

[masamune1]

Sabertooth's also had his mind fucked with almost as much as Wolverine, so that's not really the same thing. Plus, a mind probe isn't the same as someone mentally raping the shit out of you, but since Jean's not there, it's pointless to keep talking about it so I'll drop it.

Back on-topic: I'd have to give it to the X-Men since it's in NYC which is basically their backyard and there's no one around for them to worry about saving if the fight gets out of hand, so they can do as much wide-area damage as they see fit. I can see the nins taking down a few of the mutants, but they honestly have no way to stop Wolverine and if Storm gets in the air, they are colossally fucked.

Regarding Sabretooth, he actually employed a technique to defeat the telepathy. The telepath in question (ctually a weak one, by X-Men standards) had in fact got into his mind, but Sabretooth used his experience with telepathy to defeat him. His mental trauma and experimentation were never even brought up.

The NYC advantage is also a little incorrect. Akatsuki are ninjas, and will hide if things get to dangerous. The X-Men know New York, but that won't help until they can find their enemies. As for Wolverine, Itachi can stop him: you're forgetting, the teams have been fully briefed on each other. Itachi knows Wolverine's past inside-out, and if he catches him in Tsuyokomi theres no telling the horrors he will choose to dreg up. Also, Amateratsu could probably kill Logan, though his skeleton may still be intact.
With regards to Storm, Deidara poses the same threat to the X-Men- if he gets in the air, the X-Men can be bombed to oblivion.

Akatsuki have a good chance of winning, though if I'm being honest I chose one of the weaker X teams. There are some from Xavier's school who could solo them, and in their prime few can take on the entire Narutoverse. But this team, for all it's talent, has a had fight on it's hands.

[mystictrunks]

Cyclops lifts up his visor and blows up NYC. *Yauns* 1 star thread.Lock It.


P.S. Amaretsu won't kill Logan,seeing as how he can't die. He'll just regen back to life in a couple of hours.

[Sylar]

Nightcrawler teleports their heads off.

[EvilMoogle]

Current Psylocke solos this. Sorry.

Storm could probably do it alone too, if she has enough time to do anything.

If you took Itachi out of the Akatsuki side and Psylocke and Storm from the X-Men side it'd be an interesting fight.

[Crimson King]

Err, as much as I would like to see this battle, American Comics heroes vs. ANYONE from manga is kind-of overkill.


So you're saying Captain America can take on Demon Eyes Kyo?
:laugh :laugh

[Ryugaisan]

Err, as much as I would like to see this battle, American Comics heroes vs. ANYONE from manga is kind-of overkill.


lol Dark Schneider.

[Sylar]

lol Dark Schneider.

..... would get raped by Squirrel Girl.

[Havoc]

Cyclops lifts up his visor and blows up NYC. *Yauns* 1 star thread.Lock It.


P.S. Amaretsu won't kill Logan,seeing as how he can't die. He'll just regen back to life in a couple of hours.

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[Green Lantern]

Cyclops lifts up his visor and blows up NYC. *Yauns* 1 star thread.Lock It.


P.S. Amaretsu won't kill Logan,seeing as how he can't die. He'll just regen back to life in a couple of hours.

MT has been infected with a Bizzaro jplaya symbiote :oh

[Shadow Replication 1480]

The NYC advantage is also a little incorrect. Akatsuki are ninjas, and will hide if things get to dangerous. The X-Men know New York, but that won't help until they can find their enemies.
That would matter if there were innocents around to make the X-Men team worry about accidentally killing bystanders. With an empty NYC, they're free to practically reduce everything to rubble to smoke out the nins(most likely, plus, they have the firepower to do so) or bury them under tons of crap.

As for Wolverine, Itachi can stop him
No, he can't.

you're forgetting, the teams have been fully briefed on each other. Itachi knows Wolverine's past inside-out, and if he catches him in Tsuyokomi theres no telling the horrors he will choose to dreg up.
Logan's had his mind screwed with by people who make Itachi look like a choirboy, so I don't see Tsukiyomi(sp?) doing much except pissing him off. Plus, if the teams are fully briefed on each other, Logan'd be expecting it and would probably not look into Itachi's eyes in the first place.

Also, Amateratsu could probably kill Logan, though his skeleton may still be intact.
He has to hit him with it first. Even then, it's not enough to keep him down permenantly.

With regards to Storm, Deidara poses the same threat to the X-Men- if he gets in the air, the X-Men can be bombed to oblivion.
Not against Storm. She'd roast him in the air and if he tried to get Number 18 off, she could blow it away before it got near her teammates.

[Enclave]

MT has been infected with a Bizzaro jplaya symbiote :oh

Actually, MT is probably correct. Cyclopse is fully capable of leveling a huge section of forest without even exerting himself. He has more than enough fire power to take out buildings.

Also, Amateratsu could probably kill Logan, though his skeleton may still be intact.

The absolute worse that Amateratsu could do is reduce Wolverine to a skeleton which is something he is fully capable of regenerating from.

[Hamaru]

I don't have much to say other then Itachi would not beat Wolverine.

[omgbbq]

x-men in a massive curbstomp

[mystictrunks]

MT has been infected with a Bizzaro jplaya symbiote :oh

He's capable of dusting small planets. NYC would be nothing to him.

[Random Nobody]

X-Men take this.

[Green Lantern]

He's capable of dusting small planets. NYC would be nothing to him.

Yeah yeah, its just the delivery of the post seemed very... "jplayaish" :P

[masamune1]

1. Wolverine would not survive Amateratsu. His skin would be annihilated, as would his brain and internal organs (via his eyes and mouth). The only DNA left to regenerate from (not that his regen powers are on that level anyway) would be found in his bone marrow, which of course is useless since it is covered in Adamantium.
And as for Itachi being a poorer torturer than the Weapon X scientist's?
Perhaps. But it's irrelevant, because Itachi can simply make him relive that torture (admittedly, he'd probably go Bersrker, but that's not the point, and would make Logan a danger to the X-Men, anyway).

2. Cyclops and Storm can, indeed, level all of New York City. So can Deidara and Kakuzu. Kisame can flood the place, and Orochimaru can decimate it with snakes. In any case, decimating New York just put's your teammates- and in some cases yourself- at risk, as everyone can be crushed by the rubble.

3. Psylocke's Crimson Dawn powers are not that great for battle, particularly since Akatsuki have been briefed about them. Teleporting is not something that is new to Akatsuki- they can all do it to an extent- and if they think it's that dangerous they can simply try to kill her first. Also, she has never used it to decimate a team of super-powered villians before, despite fighting so many, so I don't see why she would start now.

4. Practically everyone in Akatsuki (except, perhaps, Sasori) possesses superhuman speed, agility and reflexes, can walk on walls and water, and have been trained fighters since they were children (most of the X-men began their training in their teens). Individially, they breath fire, cause floods, summon giant snakes, use country-crushing puppet armies (made from murdered ninja's), make bombs from clay, ressurect deceased ninja masters as slaves, kill you with your own blood, etc. They have a far wider range of powers than the X-Men, and are as superior combatant's (with the possible exceptions of Psylocke and Wolvrine, but they won't win easily, either.

5. All are in character, so most (though not all) of the X-Men will not be going for a straight-out kill, at least until a teamate dies. Nightcrawler certainly won't be teleporting their heads off, as he has never done that even in a rage.

I am not saying Akatsuki will win this, but they will be a lot tougher than sme of you are making out. This match can go either way. Don't forget that.

[Sharinganmaster29]

dont underestimate akatsuki!!!!!kisame and itachi could easily pwn x-men...just a gigantic wave and except the ones that can fly their fucked up...and sotrm and roque are tkaen care of itachi;););)don speak about a manga u hevnt read...any genjustu would be too damaging 4 a mutant to survive!!!!

any genius is not even average in front of an uchiha!!!

[Dio Brando]

dont underestimate akatsuki!!!!!kisame and itachi could easily pwn x-men...just a gigantic wave and except the ones that can fly their fucked up...and sotrm and roque are tkaen care of itachi;););)don speak about a manga u hevnt read...any genjustu would be too damaging 4 a mutant to survive!!!!

any genius is not even average in front of an uchiha!!!
Don't speak about a comic you haven't read.

[Darklyre]

1. Wolverine would not survive Amateratsu. His skin would be annihilated, as would his brain and internal organs (via his eyes and mouth). The only DNA left to regenerate from (not that his regen powers are on that level anyway) would be found in his bone marrow, which of course is useless since it is covered in Adamantium.


Actually, I'd question that one. I believe the adamantium used for Logan's skeleton has bonded with the atomic structure of the bones now, turning it into Adamantium Beta, which means it's basically the same strength of regular adamantium but doesn't inhibit his cells from moving through.

[scipioafricanus]

The amaterasu is suppose to burn for 7 days and night and burn with the intensity of the sun. I fail to see how any part of wolverine would able to survive from such a fire, not just any fire but one that burns with the same temperature and intensity us the sun, ie a fussion reaction (hydrogen bomb anyone?)
Forget about wovlerine's adamantium let alone his bones, they will be burnt to ashes, there would be nothing left to regenerate from.

Another thing is i dont see how storm could take down kakuzu, he can deal and counter all elemental damage and combine them. He would simply counter all of storm attacks, plus to he needs to be killed 5 times before he kicks the bucket.

Dont forget that all the akatsuki can use bunshins, so killing them wont be so simply, and some have near immortality techniques orochimaru, hidan, sasori to name a few. For example let pit orochimaru against wolverine or even cyclops if you like. He would just keep regenerating if he took any damage, we've seen him get thorn to bits by KN4 and i doubt any of the featuring x-men pack a better punch than it.

[Comic Book Guy]

Sun temperature won't melt the bones -- but it will prevent flesh from growing back.

If Storm is able to get in the air, her weather manipulation is an advantage.

You don't see Kakuzu able to summon hurricanes and lightning itself from the sky.

Deidara can take to the air and try to take her out, and I can see it happening, Storm being in-character.

If serious, Storm could probably summon a huge, high class hurricane or several and level all of New York.

Dont forget that all the akatsuki can use bunshins, so killing them wont be so simply, and some have near immortality techniques orochimaru, hidan, sasori to name a few. For example let pit orochimaru against wolverine or even cyclops if you like. He would just keep regenerating if he took any damage, we've seen him get thorn to bits by KN4 and i doubt any of the featuring x-men pack a better punch than it.

Cyclops hit Juggernaut with an optic blast that can supposedly level a small planet.

Of course, there's Marvel and continuity. . .

[scipioafricanus]

Sun temperature won't melt the bones -- but it will prevent flesh from growing back.

If Storm is able to get in the air, her weather manipulation is an advantage.

You don't see Kakuzu able to summon hurricanes and lightning itself from the sky.

Deidara can take to the air and try to take her out, and I can see it happening, Storm being in-character.

If serious, Storm could probably summon a huge, high class hurricane or several and level all of New York.



Cyclops hit Juggernaut with an optic blast that can supposedly level a small planet.

Of course, there's Marvel and continuity. . .

Are you imply that the suns temperature wont melt bones? lol, infact you are right because it wont only melt them, they would be vapourised instantanously. There would be nothing left, except an imprint of where wolverine once stood.

Kakuzu doesn't need to summon storms from the sky, he could create them with the masks on his back, he would counter storms storm with his own storm, the masks can deal lighting, fire, water,wind and earth. Basically all of storm's attacks are futile.

[Comic Book Guy]

I are you imply that the suns temperature wont melt bones? lol, infact you are right because it wont only melt them, they would be vapourised instantanously. There would be nothing left, except an imprint of where wolverine once stood.

Adamantium has withstood sun temperatures before. Unless retconned, Adamantium doesn't conduct heat, and had been in a heart of a star before.

Kakuzu doesn't need to summon storms from the sky, he could create them with the masks on his back, he would counter storms storm with his own storm, the masks can deal lighting, fire, water,wind and earth. Basically all of storm's attacks are futile.

Element attacks does not necessarily equal to the weather itself.

Since when has a ninja summoned a Class 5 Hurricane, for example?

[Enclave]

I are you imply that the suns temperature wont melt bones? lol, infact you are right because it wont only melt them, they would be vapourised instantanously. There would be nothing left, except an imprint of where wolverine once stood.

I think you are forgetting what Wolverine's bones are made of. The temperature of a star is nothing to adamantium.

Anyways, another feat of Scott's was during Civil War and this is VERY impressive.

He started shooting Bishop and of course Bishop started absorbing the blast. Scott unloaded so much energy into Bishop that he caused Bishop to actually start overloading from too much energy. It takes a lot of energy for that to happen to Bishop, a LOT.

[scipioafricanus]

fair point

[mystictrunks]

Are you imply that the suns temperature wont melt bones? lol, infact you are right because it wont only melt them, they would be vapourised instantanously. There would be nothing left, except an imprint of where wolverine once stood.

Kakuzu doesn't need to summon storms from the sky, he could create them with the masks on his back, he would counter storms storm with his own storm, the masks can deal lighting, fire, water,wind and earth. Basically all of storm's attacks are futile.

Adamantium has taken attacks that make the suns heat look laughable . . .


Kazaku imitates the elements while storm controls them. The elements he has don't even function like the real deal.

Class 5 hurricane >>>> Windsegan
Tsunamis >>> Water Dragons.

[Havoc]

If Naruto was in this fight it'd be a different story. Naruto could dominate them all by himself.

[RoguefanAM]

Even with Naruto, I still see the Akatsuki losing.

Example 1: Psylocke catches Naruto via TK and crushes him to death.

Example 2: Cyclops hits him with a full power blast and crushes him as well.

Example 3: Nothing Naruto can do will kill Wolverine, I repeat, nothing. Yes, Wolverine is that overpowered. I hate it too, but it’s the truth. Eventually Naruto grows tired of trying to kill the stubby Canadian and Wolvie introduces Naruto to his claws.

[Havoc]

Kyuubi chakra is too wild to be contained by any tk, Psylocke would get dominated.

Naruto would be too fast for Cyclops to even hit, and even if he did he could heal.

Rasengan will destroy Wolverine, sorry to inform you of this.

Naruto casually takes out the majority of the Marvelverse by himself. yaun

[atom]

Lmao. Anyway. Sasori solos. First he defeats storm, adds her to puppet collection. Uses her techinques to destroy the rest of teh X Woman.

[Comic Book Guy]

Lmao. Anyway. Sasori solos. First he defeats storm, adds her to puppet collection. Uses her techinques to destroy the rest of teh X Woman.

If he manages to attack her before she lifts off, I suppose so.

But if Storm is in the air? I don't see what offense Sasori can mount.

[Pein]

If he manages to attack her before she lifts off, I suppose so.

But if Storm is in the air? I don't see what offense Sasori can mount.

uses iron sand and throws steel weapons and other things i dont know only thing i can think of

[RoguefanAM]

Kyuubi chakra is too wild to be contained by any tk, Psylocke would get dominated.

Saying that Kyuubi's chakra is wild doesn't automatically give him any resistance to TK. Psylocke’s TK is very powerful, she's strong enough to hold Rogue (who, at the time, could bench press 60 - 70 tons in Xtreme X-men) and her TK has gotten even stronger than that after her resurrection. And last I checked, Naruto’s not even stronger than Sakura, whose probably not even in the 40 ton range herself.

…So no, I don't think Kyuubi’s chakra going to help him avoid not getting killed.

Naruto would be too fast for Cyclops to even hit, and even if he did he could heal.

Cyclops beam has been stated, multiple times, to be lightspeed. Naruto, nor any of the other Akatsuki, have never been stated to anywhere near lightspeed. Again, I don't see him dodging anything Cyclops throws at him.

As for him healing, I see Cyclops pinning Naruto down with his optic blast while one of the other X-men decapitate him. I'd like to see him heal from that. *Evil Smirk*

Rasengan will destroy Wolverine, sorry to inform you of this.

Naruto casually takes out the majority of the Marvelverse by himself. yaun

Tell me, what has Rasengan done to merit such confidence? What makes you think that any damage done with that sort of attack won't be instantly healed by Logan's healing factor? Heck, Itachi's Amaterasu has a better chance of killing Logan than Rasengan.

[Comic Book Guy]

uses iron sand and throws steel weapons and other things i dont know only thing i can think of

Up to the clouds?

[SpitefulSerpent5]

Kyuubi chakra is too wild to be contained by any tk, Psylocke would get dominated.

Naruto would be too fast for Cyclops to even hit, and even if he did he could heal.

Rasengan will destroy Wolverine, sorry to inform you of this.

Naruto casually takes out the majority of the Marvelverse by himself. yaun

No.

The first two statements are accurate enough, but considering that Wolverine can regenerate from just about anything, I don't see how something Kabuto survived would even slow him down. Hell, even Rasenshuriken wouldn't stop Wolverine for too long.

Your comment on Naruto casually taking out the Marvelverse is just so obviously flawed I don't even need to discount it. However, I believe I will with simply one word: Galactus.



I think Akatsuki is being severely underestimated; who in that team besides Wolverine could recover from Sasori's poison? Not saying Akatsuki would win, but if they lost, they'd take a few guys down with them.

I honestly don't care who would win though, as long as cyclops was dead by the end of it.

[scipioafricanus]

Saying that Kyuubi's chakra is wild doesn't automatically give him any resistance to TK. Psylocke’s TK is very powerful, she's strong enough to hold Rogue (who, at the time, could bench press 60 - 70 tons in Xtreme X-men) and her TK has gotten even stronger than that after her resurrection. And last I checked, Naruto’s not even stronger than Sakura, whose probably not even in the 40 ton range herself.

…So no, I don't think Kyuubi’s chakra going to help him avoid not getting killed.



Cyclops beam has been stated, multiple times, to be lightspeed. Naruto, nor any of the other Akatsuki, have never been stated to anywhere near lightspeed. Again, I don't see him dodging anything Cyclops throws at him.

As for him healing, I see Cyclops pinning Naruto down with his optic blast while one of the other X-men decapitate him. I'd like to see him heal from that. *Evil Smirk*



Tell me, what has Rasengan done to merit such confidence? What makes you think that any damage done with that sort of attack won't be instantly healed by Logan's healing factor? Heck, Itachi's Amaterasu has a better chance of killing Logan than Rasengan.

Are you trying to say cyclopse can move his neck at the speed of light? His targeting is limited to the speed at which he moves his neck and i dont think he can move his neck at the speed of light, plus his beams move is a straight line, all it take is someone to to move from his line of sight, and we've all seen how fast people can move in naruto which even though is not at the speed of light is fast enough to aviod a blast from cyclopse.
Plus naruto wont simply die from getting crashed from a 40 tonne or so mass. Does any anyone recall the fight between naruto and sasuke at the valley of the end, we saw naruto instanteneously regenerate from a chidori to the heart.
If he does go kn4 then things will turn every interesting because nothing the mentioned x-men will stop him

[Darklyre]

Are you trying to say cyclopse can move his neck at the speed of light? His targeting is limited to the speed at which he moves his neck and i dont think he can move his neck at the speed of light, plus his beams move is a straight line, all it take is someone to to move from his line of sight, and we've all seen how fast people can move in naruto which even though is not at the speed of light is fast enough to aviod a blast from cyclopse.
Plus naruto wont simply die from getting crashed from a 40 tonne or so mass. Does any anyone recall the fight between naruto and sasuke at the valley of the end, we saw naruto instanteneously regenerate from a chidori to the heart.
If he does go kn4 then things will turn every interesting because nothing the mentioned x-men will stop him

Except Psylocke TKing him into orbit, or Cyclops taking his visor off and raping everything for miles around.

[Sharinganmaster29]

Don't speak about a comic you haven't read.

lol thats so lame

[Dio Brando]

lol thats so lame

Well it's true. You clearly have no idea what the X-men are truly capable of. It helps if you read other peoples posts. It helps if you have knowledge on both sides in question. It helps when you are not a fanboy.

[RoguefanAM]

Except Psylocke TKing him into orbit, or Cyclops taking his visor off and raping everything for miles around.

Heck, I didn't even think of Psylocke TKing him into orbit. :doh

Are you trying to say cyclopse can move his neck at the speed of light? His targeting is limited to the speed at which he moves his neck and i dont think he can move his neck at the speed of light, plus his beams move is a straight line, all it take is someone to to move from his line of sight, and we've all seen how fast people can move in naruto which even though is not at the speed of light is fast enough to aviod a blast from cyclopse.
Plus naruto wont simply die from getting crashed from a 40 tonne or so mass. Does any anyone recall the fight between naruto and sasuke at the valley of the end, we saw naruto instanteneously regenerate from a chidori to the heart.
If he does go kn4 then things will turn every interesting because nothing the mentioned x-men will stop him.

Cyclops doesn't have to move his neck anywhere; he can up his beams to a level where they cover his entire field of vision. Naruto’s fast, but he’s not fast enough to disappear from Cyclops field of vision before he gets tagged. Like I said before, I don't see Naruto dodging his blasts.

As for Naruto regenerating...I still say he won't regenerate from decapitation. What's he going to do without his head? Besides, he's no Wolverine...

B-U-T, since you seem so set on your opinions, let's just agree to disagree.

[mystictrunks]

Are you trying to say cyclopse can move his neck at the speed of light? His targeting is limited to the speed at which he moves his neck and i dont think he can move his neck at the speed of light, plus his beams move is a straight line, all it take is someone to to move from his line of sight, and we've all seen how fast people can move in naruto which even though is not at the speed of light is fast enough to aviod a blast from cyclopse.
Plus naruto wont simply die from getting crashed from a 40 tonne or so mass. Does any anyone recall the fight between naruto and sasuke at the valley of the end, we saw naruto instanteneously regenerate from a chidori to the heart.
If he does go kn4 then things will turn every interesting because nothing the mentioned x-men will stop him

No one in Naruto moves at speed of light.


Cyclops sneezes and his glasses fall off destroying all of NYC along with Akatsuki. Congratualtions Cyclops just killed the Mets,Yankess,and Heat because of allergies.

[Hamaru]

Kyuubi chakra is too wild to be contained by any tk, Psylocke would get dominated.

Naruto would be too fast for Cyclops to even hit, and even if he did he could heal.

Rasengan will destroy Wolverine, sorry to inform you of this.

Naruto casually takes out the majority of the Marvelverse by himself. yaun

Naruto would NOT be able to recover from a full powered attack from cyclops. It is like being hit by over 100 tons. In fact it is said that it's strong enogh to split a small planet....

About the wolverine thing......Hell no. Naruto could use up all the chackra he wants but it wont kill Wolverine. He has taken hits from The Hulk, The Thing, and a Nuke......I doubt Naruto would be the one to top all of that.

Lmao. Anyway. Sasori solos. First he defeats storm, adds her to puppet collection. Uses her techinques to destroy the rest of teh X Woman.

This must be a joke.... Sasori would NEVER beat storm. When Storm, Wolverine, and the Hulk were out numberd 200-2000 (forgot which one) She told back up to sit back and watch. Her lightning would destroy Sasori's puppets with ease, She could also blow them away with a tarnado.

[Enclave]

Personally I want to know where people get the idea that Naruto characters are so fast from. I've seen nothing to suggest that they have a very high level of super speed. Sure they do that "teleport" thing that is done in manga/anime however that is just to signify that they are fast, not necessarily super fast.

I've yet to see any evidence to support a Naruto character capable of reactively dodging a bullet.

[masamune1]

Firstly, stop talking about Naruto. He is not even in this fight.

Secondly, whilst Akatsuki members do not move at the speed of light, they are faster than the X-Men in this match. They have super-speed, even though it is not on the level of, say, Quicksilver, and none of the X-Men in this fight posses that knd of speed.

Again, Cyclops and Storm can, indeed, level most of the city. But they won't.
Aside from the fact that that would kill most of their teammates (and, in Cyclops' case, possibly himself), both of these X-Men practice great emotional restraint. They are not going to unleash their full power unless they have no other choice. If Akatsuki have killed most of the other X-Men, then yes: they may do it then. But they will not simply blast away as some of you are sugesting.

[Enclave]

If (and that is a strong if) Naruto characters do have some level of super speed it is not a very high level. Also you seem to think that extra speed is going to make much difference, it won't. You said yourself that the speed isn't on the level of say Quicksilver yet completely forget the fact that the X-Men have dealt with Quicksilver in the past.

[masamune1]

If (and that is a strong if) Naruto characters do have some level of super speed it is not a very high level. Also you seem to think that extra speed is going to make much difference, it won't. You said yourself that the speed isn't on the level of say Quicksilver yet completely forget the fact that the X-Men have dealt with Quicksilver in the past.

True enough, but they are faster than these X-Men. And whilst they have dealt with Quiksilver, he only had his superspeed to fall back on. Akatsuki have a far larger range of powers and abilities than he does, and a lot more destructive potential.

I would put their speed at about Spiderman's level, perhaps slightly below (due to his suerior agility). Spidey is far faster than these X-Men, though.

It would make a difference, in the same way their fighting abilities, genjutsu, puppets, giant snakes, immortality, puppet armies etc. would make a difference. They are physically superior to most of these X-Men, and again have more powers.

[Enclave]

Again, that is where we differ again. I wouldn't even put Naruto characters speed on the level of Venom's let alone Spider-Man's. Hell I wouldn't even give them the same speed/reaction time of Nightcrawler (who is probably only a little below Venom but a fair ways below Spidy, I might put them around Beast's level of speed which is slightly super human though I would put their agility well below Beasts)

Either way though one wide angle optic blast from Scott and all of Akatsuki is done (Seriously, he once leveled a huge section of a forest with a single wide angle beam that wasn't even close to full power). Or 1 tornado/blizzard combo from Storm and Akatsuki loses. Or Wolverine goes into a berserker rage and starts slaughtering them while they are unable to deal any lasting damage to him. Nightcrawler starts teleporting heads off (if I recall correctly he can take parts along with him, not just the whole. Somebody correct me if I am wrong on this). Psylocke starts crushing them with TK.

It's like you don't know what these X-Men are really capable of. There are so many ways for this group to OHKO or even kill large groups of Naruto characters without even exerting themselves. This group has taken on threats far beyond that of Akatsuki and come out on top. It's just unfair.

[Hale]

Again, that is where we differ again. I wouldn't even put Naruto characters speed on the level of Venom's let alone Spider-Man's. Hell I wouldn't even give them the same speed/reaction time of Nightcrawler (who is probably only a little below Venom but a fair ways below Spidy, I might put them around Beast's level of speed which is slightly super human though I would put their agility well below Beasts) How do they get put on venom or even spiderman level of speed they consistantly disappear and reaapear behind their targets i don't think venom or spiderman ever do this

[Enclave]

Anime/manga "teleportation" is more an effect to show that they are fast than evidence of super speed. I have seen that "teleportation" in all kinds of manga and even more notably in anime. It is hardly evidence.

Now if you want some serious evidence to support just how fast Spidy is then I will tell you something that basically cinches just how damn fast Parker really is. While under mind control Parker was capable of moving so fast that even Daredevil with his enhanced senses couldn't keep track of him and this was Parker under mind control and not working at full capacity. Perhaps that will show you just how fast Parker moves when he goes into his speed blitz mode.

Also you will see in comics that almost never do characters dissapear and reappear behind their opponent, that is a classic manga/anime thing (again, mostly anime). Using that drawing style you could make the statement that Naruto characters are as fast as Dragonball characters which I think even you will agree is a ridiculous statement.

[masamune1]

Anime/manga "teleportation" is more an effect to show that they are fast than evidence of super speed. I have seen that "teleportation" in all kinds of manga and even more notably in anime. It is hardly evidence.

Now if you want some serious evidence to support just how fast Spidy is then I will tell you something that basically cinches just how damn fast Parker really is. While under mind control Parker was capable of moving so fast that even Daredevil with his enhanced senses couldn't keep track of him and this was Parker under mind control and not working at full capacity. Perhaps that will show you just how fast Parker moves when he goes into his speed blitz mode.

Also you will see in comics that almost never do characters dissapear and reappear behind their opponent, that is a classic manga/anime thing (again, mostly anime). Using that drawing style you could make the statement that Naruto characters are as fast as Dragonball characters which I think even you will agree is a ridiculous statement.


The "teleporting" is meant to be a sudden burst of speed, not actual teleportation (they have that too, eg. Goku uses it to avoid a Kamehameha from Cell). The reason you don't get how fast Naruto ninja really are is because their speed is usually compared to each other.

But they are very, very fast, certainly on spiderman's level. Rock Lee and Sasuke have both went faster than Gaara's Sand, which is an automatic defence against almost all attacks, and is very fast itself. The Sharingan is sometimes used as a plot device to allow Uchiha's to keep up with extreme speed.

All akatsuki are faster than either Sasuke or Lee, and certainly beyond these X-Men.

[RoguefanAM]

Firstly, stop talking about Naruto. He is not even in this fight.

So? It'd make the fight more even if he were. With him there's at least a chance that the Atasuki take out a few X-men.

The "teleporting" is meant to be a sudden burst of speed, not actual teleportation (they have that too, eg. Goku uses it to avoid a Kamehameha from Cell). The reason you don't get how fast Naruto ninja really are is because their speed is usually compared to each other.

But they are very, very fast, certainly on spiderman's level. Rock Lee and Sasuke have both went faster than Gaara's Sand, which is an automatic defence against almost all attacks, and is very fast itself. The Sharingan is sometimes used as a plot device to allow Uchiha's to keep up with extreme speed.

All akatsuki are faster than either Sasuke or Lee, and certainly beyond these X-Men.

Whether the Akatsuki are physically faster than the X-men does not matter. They’re not fast enough to dodge the X-men’s attacks. Period.

[Hamaru]

Firstly, stop talking about Naruto. He is not even in this fight.

Secondly, whilst Akatsuki members do not move at the speed of light, they are faster than the X-Men in this match. They have super-speed, even though it is not on the level of, say, Quicksilver, and none of the X-Men in this fight posses that knd of speed.

I'm guessing you just watched the X-man cartoons. Storm can move hella fast when she needs to and Wolverine does have super speed. As for feats to back that up he dodged bullets before and an Optic Blast from point blank rang. He also made Spiddy question his speed once in a fight (one of many fights). After a furry of hits from spiddy when at the same time spiddy grabbed him, Wolverine had his fist under spiddy's chin:oh

I would put their speed at about Spiderman's level, perhaps slightly below (due to his suerior agility). Spidey is far faster than these X-Men, though.

[Enclave]

The "teleporting" is meant to be a sudden burst of speed, not actual teleportation (they have that too, eg. Goku uses it to avoid a Kamehameha from Cell). The reason you don't get how fast Naruto ninja really are is because their speed is usually compared to each other.

But they are very, very fast, certainly on spiderman's level. Rock Lee and Sasuke have both went faster than Gaara's Sand, which is an automatic defence against almost all attacks, and is very fast itself. The Sharingan is sometimes used as a plot device to allow Uchiha's to keep up with extreme speed.

All akatsuki are faster than either Sasuke or Lee, and certainly beyond these X-Men.

I read your first sentence and ignored the rest.

If you would notice I always put the quotes around the word teleport specifically because I know it isn't actual teleportation. After my explanation of the manga/anime "teleport" I would think that would be obvious. If you cannot bother to properly read my posts don't expect me to bother with reading yours.

I'm guessing you just watched the X-man cartoons. Storm can move hella fast when she needs to and Wolverine does have super speed.

Wolverine does NOT have super speed of any degree. In fact he has a little below peak human speed thanks to his heavy skeleton (without it he would probably have peak human speed). Any instance of him moving faster than is humanly possible is simply bad writing which abounds in comics involving Wolverine.

[Darklyre]

Wolverine doesn't have superspeed, but he uses his combat experience to guess at his opponent's movements and to move efficiently, making him seem faster than he actually is.

[Kokain]

Kisame should stick Wolverine in a Water Prison. Doesn't matter if he can regen, he's not going anywhere. And Beast should be in one too, until he drowns or Sasori poisons him, or Kakuzu fries him, or Hidan rituals him, or Orochimaru molests him, etc.

Orochimaru should Edo Tensei some Wolverine-level-regeneration-ability Hokages to join the fun.

And...I'm not sure from here. I think X-Men would likely win though, with some losses.

[Hamaru]

Wolverine does NOT have super speed of any degree. In fact he has a little below peak human speed thanks to his heavy skeleton (without it he would probably have peak human speed). Any instance of him moving faster than is humanly possible is simply bad writing which abounds in comics involving Wolverine

His reflexis and agility is above human possability......

Wolverine doesn't have superspeed, but he uses his combat experience to guess at his opponent's movements and to move efficiently, making him seem faster than he actually is.

Could be true....But it's not "Amazing Spiderman NR 6 1990". In this issue, Spidey and Wolvie square off in the end in an old cemetery in Berlin. I'm actually sitting with that comic in front of my right now, and Spiderman describes Wolverine as the fastest and deadliest fighter he had ever met. "He seems to be doing something to my head. He is making me slow," Spiderman said. He had to turn everything but his Spider Sense off and fight on instinct only. Finally, he managed to get Logan's head towards a tombstone and started to bash his head until it started to crumble (the tombstone, not Wolverine's head). Wolverine hardly noticed, and finally Spiderman understood that he could only win by using all of his strength to break Wolverines neck. Naturally, the blue and red whimp couldn't bear to kill him, and Logan knew that.

Since then we all find out that it would take more then breaking Wolverine's neck to kill him (Hulk ripped him in 2). But the point was that Spiddy said himself that Wolverine is fast and Spiddy is fast as hell. If you don't want to take my word for it look up the issue.

[Enclave]

Wolverine's reflexes and agility are slightly below peak human (Captain America has better reflexes than Wolverine and again the heavy skeleton is part of what keeps Wolverine from being peak human agile.

That instance with Spider-Man you are talking about is called bad writing (I've read the issue). If they don't either handicap Spidy or exaggerate Wolverine then the fight would be over in about 1 second.

I can totally understand why people always think Wolverine is stronger and faster, ect... than he really is. He gets so much terrible writing that people often forget that he is still within human limits. His super powers are his skeleton, sense of smell, claws and healing factor. That's it. He is slightly below Captain America in most attributes.

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Oh and back when that fight took place odds are breaking Wolverine's neck would have been able to kill him. Also your mention of Hulk ripping Wolverine in half just show's how little you know of comics. It was in the Ultimate universe that that happened, we are talking 616. Ultimate Hulk != 616 Hulk and Ultimate Wolverine != 616 Wolverine.

Characters from different universes are not equals. Look at Spider-Man specifically. Ultimate Spidy isn't as strong or fast as 616 Spidy, also doesn't appear at least currently to be as intelligent (though still a genius). While they are very similar there are distinct differences.

Another great example is Ultimate Reed Richards compared to 616 Reed Richards. Power wise they seem nearly identical however Ultimate Reed seems to have a higher durability level than 616 Reed while 616 Reed seems to have greater control.

I can list off things like this all day long but you get the point. Just because a character from one universe can do something doesn't mean the same character from a different universe could.

[Hamaru]

Wolverine's reflexes and agility are slightly below peak human (Captain America has better reflexes than Wolverine and again the heavy skeleton is part of what keeps Wolverine from being peak human agile.

That instance with Spider-Man you are talking about is called bad writing (I've read the issue). If they don't either handicap Spidy or exaggerate Wolverine then the fight would be over in about 1 second.

I can totally understand why people always think Wolverine is stronger and faster, ect... than he really is. He gets so much terrible writing that people often forget that he is still within human limits. His super powers are his skeleton, sense of smell, claws and healing factor. That's it. He is slightly below Captain America in most attributes.

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Oh and back when that fight took place odds are breaking Wolverine's neck would have been able to kill him. Also your mention of Hulk ripping Wolverine in half just show's how little you know of comics. It was in the Ultimate universe that that happened, we are talking 616. Ultimate Hulk != 616 Hulk and Ultimate Wolverine != 616 Wolverine.

Characters from different universes are not equals. Look at Spider-Man specifically. Ultimate Spidy isn't as strong or fast as 616 Spidy, also doesn't appear at least currently to be as intelligent (though still a genius). While they are very similar there are distinct differences.

Another great example is Ultimate Reed Richards compared to 616 Reed Richards. Power wise they seem nearly identical however Ultimate Reed seems to have a higher durability level than 616 Reed while 616 Reed seems to have greater control.

I can list off things like this all day long but you get the point. Just because a character from one universe can do something doesn't mean the same character from a different universe could.

Wrong, Wolverine has enhanced sight, hearing, smelling, agility, strength and reflexes as well. Just because you think something may be bad writting does not make it false. Fact is that what the comic says>>>> logic.

And I know it was Ultimate Wolverine. That was a falt on my part however:P

[EvilMoogle]

It's really crazy that this is going on so long.

Seriously, just what will any of the Akatsuki do against Psylocke? Riddle me that.

She solos this. And ridiculously easily.

[Darklyre]

Logan's "enhanced strength" isn't due to actual superstrength, but rather his ridiculous regeneration increasing the efficiency of his muscles. His increased stamina is the same, the regeneration cuts his fatigue to nearly nothing.

[Hamaru]

Logan's "enhanced strength" isn't due to actual superstrength, but rather his ridiculous regeneration increasing the efficiency of his muscles. His increased stamina is the same, the regeneration cuts his fatigue to nearly nothing.

Nope, His regeneration helps him with stamina but it is his bones that give him the strength. In fact he was able to pick up a crap load of people and throw them through a wall in Wolverine vol.2 #1.

[Enclave]

He doesn't have enhanced lifting capacity. For instance, while he could support probably over 1 tonne over his head he couldn't lift 1 tonne over his head. This strength is still peak human. Remember, peak human in Marvel means that somebody is capable of benching approx. 800 lbs which explains how Wolverine could pick people up and throw them through a wall.

His reflexes are NOT super human, they are exceptional but they are not super human. In fact they are worse than Captain America's. Hell Cyclops has better reflexes than Wolverine.

He doesn't have super human agility, he has a little below peak human agility. Without adamantium he has approx. peak human agility.

I don't recall the enhanced sight or hearing but will say that it is within the realm of reason.

[omg laser pew pew!]

No one in Naruto moves at speed of light.


Uchihas are above light speed
So is Gai

[masamune1]

It's really crazy that this is going on so long.

Seriously, just what will any of the Akatsuki do against Psylocke? Riddle me that.

She solos this. And ridiculously easily.

Itachi points at her. The end.

Psylocke is no-where near as powerful as you seem to think she is. She cannot TK them into the sun, or outside the Earth, for the very simple reason that she has never done anything like that before.

Psylocke is physically a normal human. A Kunai to the throat would finish her off, and since everyone in Akatsuki is faster than her, this could very well happen.

[Endless Mike]

Except Psylocke is immune to telepathy or any kind of mental tampering.

In addition, she's a mountain buster and has superhuman speed and reaction due to her TK.

Not to mention Storm could just fly into the upper atmosphere and roast the entire continent by manipulating the solar wind and ozone.

[masamune1]

Except Psylocke is immune to telepathy or any kind of mental tampering.

In addition, she's a mountain buster and has superhuman speed and reaction due to her TK.

I'll admit: I had forgot about that. I suppose Itachi can just stab her

Not to mention Storm could just fly into the upper atmosphere and roast the entire continent by manipulating the solar wind and ozone.

Congratulations, Storm: you have just killed all of your friends.

Actually, forget Itachi. Oro or Sasori can kill Psylocke. Itachi will point at Storm, and make her think she's in an enclosed space. Her claustophobia will beat her for them.

[Endless Mike]

I'll admit: I had forgot about that. I suppose Itachi can just stab her

And her TK defenses mean nothing?

Actually, forget Itachi. Oro or Sasori can kill Psylocke. Itachi will point at Storm, and make her think she's in an enclosed space. Her claustophobia will beat her for them.

Sorry, Storm has resisted stronger TP than that.

[masamune1]

And her TK defenses mean nothing?

Well, firstly, I've just looked at Psylocke's page on Wikipedia, and I've remembered that these are meant to be the "classic" versions of the X-Men.
Psylocke, therefore, has no TK nor is she immune to telepathy.
She is more of the "Crimson Dawn" version, so yes: her TK defences mean nothing, because she does'nt have any.
That said, Itachi would moving too fast for her to dodge. TK may improve her speed, but not her reaction time, particularly at the start of the fight.


Sorry, Storm has resisted stronger TP than that.[/QUOTE]

It's not telepathy, it's Illusion-Casting. Itachi is basically a stronger and smarter version of Mastermind, with Naruto-ninja powers.

And please tell me where she has resisted high-level telepathy (you are underestimating how powerful these men really are).

[omg laser pew pew!]

Except Psylocke is immune to telepathy or any kind of mental tampering.

In addition, she's a mountain buster and has superhuman speed and reaction due to her TK.

Not to mention Storm could just fly into the upper atmosphere and roast the entire continent by manipulating the solar wind and ozone.

If Psylocke is that uber then she's not doing that great of a job displaying it in Exiles

[RoguefanAM]

If Psylocke is that uber then she's not doing that great of a job displaying it in Exiles

Yeah, well, it's kinda like Flash's situation. You know he could beat the bad guy in like 0.0000000001 of a second, but the author dumbs him down so the other character's get more screen time. Plus, if they used Psylocke to her supposed 'full-potential' then there would be no use for a team in the first place. :P

[EvilMoogle]

Itachi points at her. The end.
As pointed out before, current Psylocke is immune to all forms of mind control and reality warping.

Well, firstly, I've just looked at Psylocke's page on Wikipedia, and I've remembered that these are meant to be the "classic" versions of the X-Men.
Psylocke, therefore, has no TK nor is she immune to telepathy.
She is more of the "Crimson Dawn" version, so yes: her TK defences mean nothing, because she does'nt have any.
That said, Itachi would moving too fast for her to dodge. TK may improve her speed, but not her reaction time, particularly at the start of the fight.
Then why even include her in the fight? If you're going to use the just-telepath form of her, and then give her opponents immunity to telepathy why include her on the team at all?

I suppose you're using current-depowered-but-weaponless-Cyclops, Storm-while-she-was-depowered, Wolverine-right-after-he-got-his-adamantium- removed-and-had-no-healing-factor, and Gambit-in-a-coma-after-Rogue-drained-his-powers?

Yeah, the Akatsuki might win that fight. :P
[/sarcasm]

[masamune1]

As pointed out before, current Psylocke is immune to all forms of mind control and reality warping.

That's the statement you answered.

Then why even include her in the fight? If you're going to use the just-telepath form of her, and then give her opponents immunity to telepathy why include her on the team at all?

I suppose you're using current-depowered-but-weaponless-Cyclops, Storm-while-she-was-depowered, Wolverine-right-after-he-got-his-adamantium- removed-and-had-no-healing-factor, and Gambit-in-a-coma-after-Rogue-drained-his-powers?

Yeah, the Akatsuki might win that fight. :P
[/sarcasm]

As I've already explained, I originally had Jean Grey in this fight. THey were'nt immune to her attacks, but they were resistant. I took her out because, if she truly let loose, she probably could take out Akatsuki, if not the Narutoverse, single-handedly. I'll edit that part out, if it makes you feel better.

And the rest of the X-Men are all in their "classic" forms. Cycop's has his powers, and needs his visor; Storm has her powers; Wolverine has both his healing-factor and Adamantium skeleton, etc.

But you are truly underestimating the Akatsuki if you think the X-Men will have no trouble in this fight, artcularly since both teams are briefed on each other. Orochimaru (armless) once leveled a castle just to make an entrance;
Sasori once took out a coubtry; Itachi can beat opponents (including, perhaps with difficulty, this version of Psylocke) just by pointing at them; Deidara can blow up a good portion of the city; Hidan is nigh-unkillable; kisame can flood the place; and Kakuzu has enough firepower to demolish a skyscraper. They are also much faster than they're opponents, and better fighters than most of them.

Why, oh why, do I have to keep repeating myself?

[Sharinganmaster29]

Well it's true. You clearly have no idea what the X-men are truly capable of. It helps if you read other peoples posts. It helps if you have knowledge on both sides in question. It helps when you are not a fanboy.

well i was talkin about the anime X-MEN...i didnt even know there was a comic...and srry i didnt get your post right...

[Comic Book Guy]

well i was talkin about the anime X-MEN...i didnt even know there was a comic...and srry i didnt get your post right...

. . . You're kidding me, right?

X-Men is one of the comic culture icons of the world.

[Artificial_Sunshine]

well i was talkin about the anime X-MEN...i didnt even know there was a comic...and srry i didnt get your post right...

-_- ...... this is why I can't buy manga in my friendly neighborhood comic book store (dare would I label myself a dopey inferior manga reading female)

On Topic:

Who says Itachi is a better ninja than Psylocke? She had the whole 'The Hand' Kwannon brain switch thing, and has trained extensively (with Wolverine's occasional guidance) since. (I'd put her abilities a little bit below Kitty Pride, who no doubtingly can take down Akatsuki herself)

There's no real clarity on what Psylocke version, but I'm gonna assume she has her telekinetic kantana, so, if she's not using her psychic powers, she still can just physically fight.

Anyway, wasn't Gambit on this list? occasionally, he displays Omega level powers (depends on writer and storyline...)

Akatsuki's only hope is 'this' (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=174833) crackpot theory... Or maybe an inevitable House of M II; when every mutant is depowered, and then re-powered in special limited edition series...

[omg laser pew pew!]

well i was talkin about the anime X-MEN...i didnt even know there was a comic...and srry i didnt get your post right...

Wow talk about ignorance, X-Men is one of the most popular comic book franchises in the world. Up their with Wolverine, Hulk, Spidey, Batman and Superman

[Havoc]

well i was talkin about the anime X-MEN...i didnt even know there was a comic...and srry i didnt get your post right...

Wow....just, wow.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

remove psylocke.
use gambit within low end levels of power. take nightcrawler when not acting like blink and the end result is almost any individual akatsuki can blitz more then half the x-men and that a duo would blitz them all, with the only ones reacting being gambit and nightcrawler.