Tassadar vs Goku

[RaTBoYs]

Executor Tassadar vs Saiyan goku.

who wins?

[Bullet]

Who is Executor Tassadar?

[Hype]

Who is Executor Tassadar?

Starcraft iirc

[Taleran]

En Tarro Adun, Saiyan.

[Red]

"We protoss do not run from our enemies it is here we shall make our stand"


Unless they have some sort of innate ability to destroy planets and star systems then they get curb stomped easily.

[Random Nobody]

Considering the fact that a Protoss fleet can't even destroy a Planet (they burn it, but they can't destroy it) what made you think Tassadar could beat Goku?

[omgbbq]

Considering the fact that a Protoss fleet can't even destroy a Planet (they burn it, but they can't destroy it) what made you think Tassadar could beat Goku?

this person speaks the truth.

[Taleran]

he uses his mind and turns Goku into a radish.....the end

[RaTBoYs]

Considering the fact that a Protoss fleet can't even destroy a Planet (they burn it, but they can't destroy it) what made you think Tassadar could beat Goku?

the fact that tassadar can make hallucinations of himself and he can attack goku psionically, and he can use psionic storms that rip apart zergs like nothing. keep it mind zerg carapace can take hundreds of depleted uranium shells from hundreds of marines yet one psionic storm go through that carapace like hot knife through butter. but goku i think has the speed advantage thats why i think it'd be a pretty close fight.

[Random Nobody]

I doubt the hallucinations would fool him as he can sense Ki and would now which one is real. And how does being able to tear apart Zerg mean it can suddenly hurt someone that can bust a planet, especially since that particular feat is beyond anything currently shown in Star Craft?

[RaTBoYs]

I doubt the hallucinations would fool him as he can sense Ki and would now which one is real. And how does being able to tear apart Zerg mean it can suddenly hurt someone that can bust a planet, especially since that particular feat is beyond anything currently shown in Star Craft?

Hallucination are illusions that affect the mind I doubt goku can resist a powerful psionic illusion.

Because Psionic storm doesnt hurt physically but mentally. Has anyone in DBZ shown resistance to psychic attacks?

oh and bustin a planet means invincibility now? last time I checked goku almost got killed by a virus, guess what bustin a planet is a feat beyond a mere virus but it still almost killed goku.

[Reznor]

Because Psionic storm doesnt hurt physically but mentally. Has anyone in DBZ shown resistance to psychic attacks? Yes. Tao resisted Blue's paralysis technique.

Also, Babidi could explode the heads of normal people, but obviously not Gohan, Piccolo or Dabura's.

[RaTBoYs]

Yes. Tao resisted Blue's paralysis technique.

Also, Babidi could explode the heads of normal people, but obviously not Gohan, Piccolo or Dabura's.

are those people's psychic powers as strong as tassadar's though? tassadar fought infested kerrigan evenly, a being that could control millions of the zerg swarm by herself psionically, a feat not even the overmind could do. remember the overmind needed cerebrates to relay command? by the end of brood war kerrigan could command the zerg all by herself. tassadar fought her evenly, although that was just a distraction for zeratul.

[Random Nobody]

Kerrigan has only shown psychic control over the Zerg, the race she happens to be connected too. Not to mention the entire debate over Tassadar's psychic powers is a moot point as Goku could just use his Instantaneous Movement to get close to Tassadar then blast him before he knows what's going on.

Seriously, Tassadar has nothing that puts him on Goku's league. If Tassadar was good enough to take on Goku, the Zerg would never have been a problem.

[RaTBoYs]

Kerrigan has only shown psychic control over the Zerg, the race she happens to be connected too. Not to mention the entire debate over Tassadar's psychic powers is a moot point as Goku could just use his Instantaneous Movement to get close to Tassadar then blast him before he knows what's going on.

Seriously, Tassadar has nothing that puts him on Goku's league. If Tassadar was good enough to take on Goku, the Zerg would never have been a problem.

Kerrigan controlling the entire Zerg Race alone shows how psionically powerful she is, controlling millions of zergs without the help of cerebrates is something even the overmind couldnt do. Kerrigan is a powerful psychic and Tassadar fighting with her evenly shows how powerful Tassadar in psychic powers.

Thats why i thought this would be a close fight because of goku's speed.

So ur saying goku alone could solo the whole zerg race?

[Random Nobody]

With ease. Instantly move to infected Planet, launch ki blast at infected planet, move to next infected Planet. His ability to wipe out Planet's is great then that of the Protoss fleet.

[RaTBoYs]

With ease. Instantly move to infected Planet, launch ki blast at infected planet, move to next infected Planet. His ability to wipe out Planet's is great then that of the Protoss fleet.

how is he gonna deal with orbital bombardment from guardians? cuz last time i checked goku cannot breathe in space. how is he gonna deal with powerful psychics of zerg race that control millions of zergs in their own individual broods?
how is he gonna deal with the space creatures of zergs? spawn broodling? the defiler's toxins?

[Random Nobody]

When have Guardians ever bombarded a planet from orbit? When have Cerebrates ever controlled, mindfucked, or done anything to a creature that wasn't a Zerg? How does a Queen hit Goku with Spawn Broodling when he's a hell of a lot faster then she is? How does a Defilier's Toxins effect Goku when he flies above them?

Oh and you do realize the DBZ characters have fired Ki blasts into space before right? Seriously, your overestimating the SCverse big time.

[RaTBoYs]

When have Guardians ever bombarded a planet from orbit? When have Cerebrates ever controlled, mindfucked, or done anything to a creature that wasn't a Zerg? How does a Queen hit Goku with Spawn Broodling when he's a hell of a lot faster then she is? How does a Defilier's Toxins effect Goku when he flies above them?

Oh and you do realize the DBZ characters have fired Ki blasts into space before right? Seriously, your overestimating the SCverse big time.

Guardians are orbital bombarders they did it in auir. pretty much every zerg is space capable.

Cerebrates can alter the DNA of terrans(non-zerg) to infest them. Kerrigan mind controlled razsagal the matriarch of the Dark Templars and the OLDEST protoss we have seen. Goku has to stop sometime after fighting 10,000 zergs and a queen put ensnare and then spawn broodling on him.

So goku being airborne means he is immune to every genetically engineered virus the defiler can make? I doubt it.

Yes DBZ characters have fired ki blast into space before but do u expect that one ki blast to kill all space faring zergs all at once? u know that there are millions upon millions of zergs right?

Im not overestimating SCverse at all. I think u overestimate goku.

[Random Nobody]

Guardians are orbital bombarders they did it in auir. pretty much every zerg is space capable.


Touche, but what stops Goku from shooting there attacks out of the sky with those tiny Ki attacks they spam all the time? Oh that's right, absolutely nothing.


Cerebrates can alter the DNA of terrans(non-zerg) to infest them.

Right if they capture them, which isn't gonna happen to Goku in the first place.


Kerrigan mind controlled razsagal the matriarch of the Dark Templars and the OLDEST protoss we have seen. Goku has to stop sometime after fighting 10,000 zergs and a queen put ensnare and then spawn broodling on him.


Right that makes sense, she just decided not to control the minds of Zeratul, Raynor, Fenix, etc. because she wasn't in the mood. Or maybe its because she infected the Matriarch, which also explains why Zeratul killed her instead of putting her in stasis. Any why would Goku get tired after killing that many? It's not like the Zerg are hard to kill I mean hell not one of them can survive a nuke and even end of Dragonball Piccolo Jr. could do blasts as big as that.


So goku being airborne means he is immune to every genetically engineered virus the defiler can make? I doubt it.


No the fact that he could fly out of the Defiler's range or do the smart thing and just kill it before it used said virus is what makes him "immune".


Yes DBZ characters have fired ki blast into space before but do u expect that one ki blast to kill all space faring zergs all at once? u know that there are millions upon millions of zergs right?

Im not overestimating SCverse at all. I think u overestimate goku.

And all Goku would really have to do to take out the Zerg is kill Kerrigan and maybe some straggler Cerebrates.

[RaTBoYs]

Touche, but what stops Goku from shooting there attacks out of the sky with those tiny Ki attacks they spam all the time? Oh that's right, absolutely nothing.

those arent ki blast. those are acid which can eat through the toughest metals the terran confederacy has to offer and eat through protoss technology.


Right if they capture them, which isn't gonna happen to Goku in the first place.

I concede about this point because they probably cant capture goku unless he is really tired and even if they do capture him its over.



Right that makes sense, she just decided not to control the minds of Zeratul, Raynor, Fenix, etc. because she wasn't in the mood. Or maybe its because she infected the Matriarch, which also explains why Zeratul killed her instead of putting her in stasis. Any why would Goku get tired after killing that many? It's not like the Zerg are hard to kill I mean hell not one of them can survive a nuke and even end of Dragonball Piccolo Jr. could do blasts as big as that.


maybe because controlling razsagal and the half of the zerg army is kerrigan's limits at that time. maybe controlling fenix and raynor would overwhelm her psionic powers. even the most primitive nukes can wipe out a city in one shot. do you really think that after all those years of technological advancements the terrans will not do something to increase the visciousness of those nukes dropped on zergs? Hell that just proves the resilience of the zergs, even after taking on both the terrans and the protoss they still kept coming back and in the end managed to reign over the two races.


No the fact that he could fly out of the Defiler's range or do the smart thing and just kill it before it used said virus is what makes him "immune".


one defiler probably but thousands of defilers? you are seriously underestimating the power of zergs in numbers. do you think they will go in a line to be slaughtered by goku? I think the zerg will be smart enough to surround him and overwhelm him.


And all Goku would really have to do to take out the Zerg is kill Kerrigan and maybe some straggler Cerebrates.

Kerrigan can control the zergs from far away she wont be near the battlefield.
besides it wont be as simple as that as kerrigan would probably be keeping her most deadliest zerg broods near her for protection. Torrasque, Devouring ones, Hunter killers, etc.

[Reznor]

This is Tassadar vs. Goku.

How is the Zerg relevant?

[Reznor]

are those people's psychic powers as strong as tassadar's though? tassadar fought infested kerrigan evenly, a being that could control millions of the zerg swarm by herself psionically, a feat not even the overmind could do. remember the overmind needed cerebrates to relay command? by the end of brood war kerrigan could command the zerg all by herself. tassadar fought her evenly, although that was just a distraction for zeratul. Taos? No.
Babidi? Maybe.

He is able to communicate with everyone on Earth at once.... and pick up their thoughts. And can kill them by exploding their heads.

Communicating with everyone on Earth is something that the North Kai can do, so it won't surprise the Supreme Kai that Babidi could... but he WAS surprised by the fact that Babidi was able to take over the King of Demons, even while already knowing about the ability to exploit evil in one's heart for Mind Control - meaning that control Dabura was quite the feat.

Even if Tassadar's psychic powers > Babidi's, I think that Goku could at least survive a few hits/delay the effects of anything Tassadar could throw at Goku... which is more than enough time to kill him (especially since he could probably speedblitz him before even one attack)

[omgbbq]

the fact that tassadar can make hallucinations of himself and he can attack goku psionically, and he can use psionic storms that rip apart zergs like nothing. keep it mind zerg carapace can take hundreds of depleted uranium shells from hundreds of marines yet one psionic storm go through that carapace like hot knife through butter. but goku i think has the speed advantage thats why i think it'd be a pretty close fight.

goku blocks planet busting attacks. you think uranium shells will hurt him?

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

Everything depends on how close Goku gets, and Goku is not the sort to blow a planet without at least seeing his enemy.

Tassadar mindrapes Goku and sends him into space. Saying any of the "psychics" in DBZ are on Tassadar's level is absurd, and saying that Goku - simpleminded as he is - could resist a Protoss high templar is ludicrous.

[RaTBoYs]

Taos? No.
Babidi? Maybe.

He is able to communicate with everyone on Earth at once.... and pick up their thoughts. And can kill them by exploding their heads.

Communicating with everyone on Earth is something that the North Kai can do, so it won't surprise the Supreme Kai that Babidi could... but he WAS surprised by the fact that Babidi was able to take over the King of Demons, even while already knowing about the ability to exploit evil in one's heart for Mind Control - meaning that control Dabura was quite the feat.


the overmind can pick up all the thoughts of zergs, control them, revive dead cerebrates, open up rifts in space for travel for the zerg swarm, put up strong psionic defences. Kerrigan is probably stronger than the overmind and Tassadar fought evenly with kerrigan so Tassadar is at least as strong as the overmind psionically.


Even if Tassadar's psychic powers > Babidi's, I think that Goku could at least survive a few hits/delay the effects of anything Tassadar could throw at Goku... which is more than enough time to kill him (especially since he could probably speedblitz him before even one attack)

yes, Goku can win if he can kill tassadar in time thats why I thought this fight would be a close one.

goku blocks planet busting attacks. you think uranium shells will hurt him?

uranium shells wont hurt goku but Tassadar doesn't use uranium shells, he uses his psionic abilities.

[Random Nobody]

those arent ki blast. those are acid which can eat through the toughest metals the terran confederacy has to offer and eat through protoss technology.

I know there not ki blasts, but what makes you think a ki blast can't destroy acid?


maybe because controlling razsagal and the half of the zerg army is kerrigan's limits at that time. maybe controlling fenix and raynor would overwhelm her psionic powers. even the most primitive nukes can wipe out a city in one shot. do you really think that after all those years of technological advancements the terrans will not do something to increase the visciousness of those nukes dropped on zergs? Hell that just proves the resilience of the zergs, even after taking on both the terrans and the protoss they still kept coming back and in the end managed to reign over the two races.


The point about the nukes was to point out that non of the Zerg would be able to survive blasts that End of Dragonball Piccolo Jr. could do. As for Kerrigan's mind control, she didn't take over there minds after the Matriarch was killed.


one defiler probably but thousands of defilers? you are seriously underestimating the power of zergs in numbers. do you think they will go in a line to be slaughtered by goku? I think the zerg will be smart enough to surround him and overwhelm him.


And you act like Goku's never fought armies before.


Kerrigan can control the zergs from far away she wont be near the battlefield.
besides it wont be as simple as that as kerrigan would probably be keeping her most deadliest zerg broods near her for protection. Torrasque, Devouring ones, Hunter killers, etc.

Instantaneous Movement fixes the distance problem, and what are the Zerg gonna do to stop him? The only way the Zerg could possibly beat Goku is by tossing Zerg at him till he gets tired, no one Zerg unit could stand up to him.


Everything depends on how close Goku gets, and Goku is not the sort to blow a planet without at least seeing his enemy.

Tassadar mindrapes Goku and sends him into space. Saying any of the "psychics" in DBZ are on Tassadar's level is absurd, and saying that Goku - simpleminded as he is - could resist a Protoss high templar is ludicrous.

When did Tassadar mindrape anyone?

[Reznor]

Everything depends on how close Goku gets, and Goku is not the sort to blow a planet without at least seeing his enemy.

Tassadar mindrapes Goku and sends him into space. Saying any of the "psychics" in DBZ are on Tassadar's level is absurd, and saying that Goku - simpleminded as he is - could resist a Protoss high templar is ludicrous. This is why I don't like when battles involve willpower. XD

Subjective signs aside, like "Goku is goofy", I gave good reasons why he'd be at least somewhat resistant to psionics.

What signs/evidence/reasoning for Tassadar >>> Babidi do you have?
the overmind can pick up all the thoughts of zergs, control them, revive dead cerebrates, open up rifts in space for travel for the zerg swarm, put up strong psionic defences. Kerrigan is probably stronger than the overmind and Tassadar fought evenly with kerrigan so Tassadar is at least as strong as the overmind psionically. In terms of Zerg Control... you mixed a whole lot of different things together.

[RaTBoYs]

I know there not ki blasts, but what makes you think a ki blast can't destroy acid?


goku has to stay stationary if he does the kamehameha, what makes you think that he can get all those acids?


The point about the nukes was to point out that non of the Zerg would be able to survive blasts that End of Dragonball Piccolo Jr. could do. As for Kerrigan's mind control, she didn't take over there minds after the Matriarch was killed.

because she doesn't feel like it thats why she did not control them.

After killing Duke and Fenix on Korhal, she remarks that "For the first time since my transfiguration I am wearied of the slaughter". She also retreats to Tarsonis "to rest" instead of pursuing the UED's fleet to Char (while she eventually assaults Char, it is only in retaliation to the UED attacking Tarsonis).

she rest instead of pursuing the UED's fleet to char shows she doesn't feel as entusiasthic about killing people anymore.

She can also launch Psionic Storms and control the minds of others,abilities only the Protoss' Templar and Archons possess and can only be performed through great training and willpower. Kerrigan was only shown, however, to be capable of controlling Raszagal, an elderly Protoss, and as she does not use this power on anyone else, it is possible she can only do this to someone who is mentally inhibited.

control the minds of others.


And you act like Goku's never fought armies before.


Goku might have fought an army before, but do you really think that army can stand up to the whole zerg swarm? I doubt it.



Instantaneous Movement fixes the distance problem, and what are the Zerg gonna do to stop him? The only way the Zerg could possibly beat Goku is by tossing Zerg at him till he gets tired, no one Zerg unit could stand up to him.


how is he gonna know where kerrigan is? zergs can have various toxins and infection abilities that can stop goku if the sheer numbers of zergs doesn't tire him out and kill him first. Again, you seriously underestimate the number of zergs.



When did Tassadar mindrape anyone?

Psionic storm anyone?

all info bout kerrigan taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Kerrigan

This is why I don't like when battles involve willpower. XD

Subjective signs aside, like "Goku is goofy", I gave good reasons why he'd be at least somewhat resistant to psionics.

What signs/evidence/reasoning for Tassadar >>> Babidi do you have?

the fact that babidi needs evil in heart to mind control someone shows that he isnt psionically strong. The only thing that babidi has shown psionically is mind control dabura who is the demon king therefore a lot of evil in the heart which makes it easy for him. He couldnt even fully mind control vegeta.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

What signs/evidence/reasoning for Tassadar >>> Babidi do you have?
How about the fact that Babidi never once controlled anything with his mind? His "control" is a magical contract that only works on evil people with a desire for power, while Tassadar can wave his hand and make Mother Teresa streak naked from the other side of the planet.

[Random Nobody]

goku has to stay stationary if he does the kamehameha, what makes you think that he can get all those acids?


Why would he need Kamehameha? He could just spam smaller ki blasts.


because she doesn't feel like it thats why she did not control them.

After killing Duke and Fenix on Korhal, she remarks that "For the first time since my transfiguration I am wearied of the slaughter". She also retreats to Tarsonis "to rest" instead of pursuing the UED's fleet to Char (while she eventually assaults Char, it is only in retaliation to the UED attacking Tarsonis).

she rest instead of pursuing the UED's fleet to char shows she doesn't feel as entusiasthic about killing people anymore.

She can also launch Psionic Storms and control the minds of others,abilities only the Protoss' Templar and Archons possess and can only be performed through great training and willpower. Kerrigan was only shown, however, to be capable of controlling Raszagal, an elderly Protoss, and as she does not use this power on anyone else, it is possible she can only do this to someone who is mentally inhibited.

control the minds of others.


You know I would counter your argument, but you kinda did it for me with the "can only do this to someone that is mentally inhibited" part.


Goku might have fought an army before, but do you really think that army can stand up to the whole zerg swarm? I doubt it.


Of course not, but Goku is a hell of a lot stronger then he was then.


how is he gonna know where kerrigan is? zergs can have various toxins and infection abilities that can stop goku if the sheer numbers of zergs doesn't tire him out and kill him first. Again, you seriously underestimate the number of zergs.


She's alive isn't she? If she's alive she has an energy signature he can track and transmit too. And how are the Zerg gonna be prepared for someone to instantly appear next to there Queen in the first place?


Psionic storm anyone?


Creating a storm with your mind is not mindraping someone. It's creating a storm with your mind.

[RaTBoYs]

Why would he need Kamehameha? He could just spam smaller ki blasts.

name me one fight that goku has never used kamehameha. why would this fight be any different.


You know I would counter your argument, but you kinda did it for me with the "can only do this to someone that is mentally inhibited" part.

"it is possible she can only do this to someone who is mentally inhibited."
it is only a possibility that she can only do it with someone uninhibited, but seeing as how she is psionically more powerful than the overmind I wouldn't doubt she can mind control someone.


Of course not, but Goku is a hell of a lot stronger then he was then.


but the sheer numbers would tire out Goku.


She's alive isn't she? If she's alive she has an energy signature he can track and transmit too. And how are the Zerg gonna be prepared for someone to instantly appear next to there Queen in the first place?


He still needs to search for her signature which would take time which would allow a window of opportunity for the zerg swarm to infect him with a virus or to spawn broodling on him. Besides kerrigan has psionic defenses up and I dont think Goku can pick up her energy signature if she has psionic defenses up.


Creating a storm with your mind is not mindraping someone. It's creating a storm with your mind.

Psionic storm attacks the minds of its targets and rips it to shreds.

[Random Nobody]

name me one fight that goku has never used kamehameha. why would this fight be any different.

Way to avoid the point. So your saying if Goku uses a Ki attack it has to be Kamehameha eh? Have you read DB/DBZ by any chance?


"it is possible she can only do this to someone who is mentally inhibited."
it is only a possibility that she can only do it with someone uninhibited, but seeing as how she is psionically more powerful than the overmind I wouldn't doubt she can mind control someone.


Except that its assumption. Which doesn't work in the OBD.


but the sheer numbers would tire out Goku.


Which would be there only chance of a victory.


He still needs to search for her signature which would take time which would allow a window of opportunity for the zerg swarm to infect him with a virus or to spawn broodling on him. Besides kerrigan has psionic defenses up and I dont think Goku can pick up her energy signature if she has psionic defenses up.

It doesn't take that long and its not like he can't dodge a few attacks well doing it. And when has Kerrigan used psionic defenses to make it look like she was dead? Because the only time they've been unable to get a energy signature from anyone was when they where dead, near dead, or they where an artificial life form (like the Androids).


Psionic storm attacks the minds of its targets and rips it to shreds.

Right the visible storm that rips them to pieces must have just been my imagination. :notrust

[RaTBoYs]

Way to avoid the point. So your saying if Goku uses a Ki attack it has to be Kamehameha eh? Have you read DB/DBZ by any chance?

he might use minor ki attacks here and there but are you honestly telling me that goku will not use kamehameha at all? because in every major villain of DB/DBZ goku has always used kamehameha.


Except that its assumption. Which doesn't work in the OBD.

how is kerrigan being more stronger than the overmind an assumption? The overmind had to use cerebrates to relay order to the swarm but kerrigan could do it alone. I dont see any assumption here.



Which would be there only chance of a victory.

Their numbers is what makes zerg, zerg. Im not denying the fact that no one zerg unit alone can stand against Goku, but together there are millions upon millions of zerg units. Which I think will tire goku out after fighting non-stop against millions of zergs.


It doesn't take that long and its not like he can't dodge a few attacks well doing it. And when has Kerrigan used psionic defenses to make it look like she was dead? Because the only time they've been unable to get a energy signature from anyone was when they where dead, near dead, or they where an artificial life form (like the Androids).

A few attacks maybe he can dodge but thousands of bombardment from guardians from orbit, thousands of ultralisk, thousands of hypersonic needles, thousands of zerglings, and thousands of glave wurms coming at Goku at once, I dont think he can dodge.

Instant Transmission:An ability Goku learned on his way back to Earth from Namek on a remote planet called Yardrat. It allows him to teleport nearly anywhere instantly so long as he focuses on a specific ki signal at the desired location or can see where he wants to go. He places two fingers on his forehead to focus on a power signal.

too bad kerrigan doesnt have a Ki signal because she doesnt use ki


Right the visible storm that rips them to pieces must have just been my imagination. :notrust

you mean the one from the game? well if you're taking game mechanics into consideration then how about the fact that a few dozen marines can take down a Battlecruiser, or the fact that the zerg overminds and cerebrates cannot be killed without the combined force of dark templar and templars.

[Kazuma the Shell Bullet]

while Tassadar can wave his hand and make Mother Teresa streak naked from the other side of the planet.

This statement is made of win

[omg laser pew pew!]

How about the fact that Babidi never once controlled anything with his mind? His "control" is a magical contract that only works on evil people with a desire for power, while Tassadar can wave his hand and make Mother Teresa streak naked from the other side of the planet.

When did Tassadar do any sort of mind control?

[Random Nobody]

he might use minor ki attacks here and there but are you honestly telling me that goku will not use kamehameha at all? because in every major villain of DB/DBZ goku has always used kamehameha.


When did I say he wouldn't use it? I just said he wouldn't use it to stop the bombardment.


how is kerrigan being more stronger than the overmind an assumption? The overmind had to use cerebrates to relay order to the swarm but kerrigan could do it alone. I dont see any assumption here.


No the assumption is that she could control someone that wasn't mentally inhibited.


A few attacks maybe he can dodge but thousands of bombardment from guardians from orbit, thousands of ultralisk, thousands of hypersonic needles, thousands of zerglings, and thousands of glave wurms coming at Goku at once, I dont think he can dodge.


When will Goku have that many enemies around him? He can spam blasts that are the equivalent of Nukes, which thin Zerg numbers real quick. If there was this many Zerg around him they'd be dead, unless he already got exhausted by that point.


Instant Transmission:An ability Goku learned on his way back to Earth from Namek on a remote planet called Yardrat. It allows him to teleport nearly anywhere instantly so long as he focuses on a specific ki signal at the desired location or can see where he wants to go. He places two fingers on his forehead to focus on a power signal.

too bad kerrigan doesnt have a Ki signal because she doesnt use ki


Neither does farmer with shotgun but he still has a ki signature.


you mean the one from the game? well if you're taking game mechanics into consideration then how about the fact that a few dozen marines can take down a Battlecruiser, or the fact that the zerg overminds and cerebrates cannot be killed without the combined force of dark templar and templars.

SC is a game, what other source is there? Also, when was it stated that the Overmind could only be killed by those combined energies, I mean it was killed by a spaceship crashing into it. As for the Cerebrates they could die, the Overmind would just bring them back. And both are those examples are part of the plot not game mechanics. When Psionic Storm is used it creates a storm of lightning that rips enemies apart, it is in no way mindrape.

[mystictrunks]

Goku should have resistance to psychics,seeing as how he is psychic himself. Aside form that Dragon Ball characters have been shown to not get completely gang raped by psychics in the case of Tao Pai Pai,and when Babidi didn't explode Piccolo and the others heads.

[EdwardElric]

Hahah, this thread reminds me of those SC DBZ maps I used to play...
Anyone else remember/know what I'm talking about? It was about 1 hour worth of leveling on structures, then about 5 minutes worth of action after that, lol. If you use SSJ3 Goku from those types of maps vs. Tassadar as seen in the campaigns, it would be a horrible rape.
Using real Goku, Tassadar would still die, but possibly not as fast. Psionic storm is strong, but it's not like Tassadar can spam it infinitely, not to mention it's a rather small AoE that Goku could dodge. And in all likelihood Goku would've easily blitzed Tassadar anyway.

[RaTBoYs]

When did I say he wouldn't use it? I just said he wouldn't use it to stop the bombardment.


I guess we both agree then that goku will use kamehameha sometime or another if he fights the zerg. And if he uses the kamehameha that time frame could be utilized by the zerg swarm to infect him with their toxins which is probably more deadlier than the heart virus that almost killed goku.


No the assumption is that she could control someone that wasn't mentally inhibited.


well seeing as how she is stronger psionically than the overmind who is stronger psionically than the Dark Archon who can mind control people, I don't think its a pretty farfetched idea.


When will Goku have that many enemies around him? He can spam blasts that are the equivalent of Nukes, which thin Zerg numbers real quick. If there was this many Zerg around him they'd be dead, unless he already got exhausted by that point.


umm because the zerg is numerous and they charge goku in a line waiting for their turn to be killed one by one. Has Goku even shown the ability to create that big of a blast without charge time? Great zergs around him would be dead, thing is they can replenish their numbers pretty quickly


Neither does farmer with shotgun but he still has a ki signature.


is that why the farmer had a ki level of 5? so is that ki just there because of magic?


SC is a game, what other source is there? Also, when was it stated that the Overmind could only be killed by those combined energies, I mean it was killed by a spaceship crashing into it. As for the Cerebrates they could die, the Overmind would just bring them back. And both are those examples are part of the plot not game mechanics. When Psionic Storm is used it creates a storm of lightning that rips enemies apart, it is in no way mindrape.

Novels for it. Overminds psionic can only be cancelled by the combined energy signatures of the Dark Templars and the Templars because to cancel out the zerg energy, that the Xel'Naga created, they needed the whole protoss energy signature which is the combined energies of Dark Templar and Templars. If cerebrates could die then why did they need zeratul specifically to destroy it? That spaceship is Garinthor infused with Zeratul's and Tassadars energy thats why the resulting explosion killed the overmind.
Psionic storms rips apart the minds of its victims, how can goku protect himself from that? or protect himself from hallucination?

And in all likelihood Goku would've easily blitzed Tassadar anyway.

As I said Goku's speed is why I think this fight would be close.

Hahah, this thread reminds me of those SC DBZ maps I used to play...
Anyone else remember/know what I'm talking about? It was about 1 hour worth of leveling on structures, then about 5 minutes worth of action after that, lol.

those map were a bitch to beat lol, gohan was broken though he could level pretty fast. Most version of that map have secrets now that gives you like 30,000 ki.

[Random Nobody]

I guess we both agree then that goku will use kamehameha sometime or another if he fights the zerg. And if he uses the kamehameha that time frame could be utilized by the zerg swarm to infect him with their toxins which is probably more deadlier than the heart virus that almost killed goku.

Goku's not a moron, he's not gonna charge up a huge Kamehameha well still surrounded by enemies. He'd use it well out of there range, or as a last resort to destroy whatever Planet he's on.


well seeing as how she is stronger psionically than the overmind who is stronger psionically than the Dark Archon who can mind control people, I don't think its a pretty farfetched idea.


Except that she's never been shown to do it. Therefore its assumption.


umm because the zerg is numerous and they charge goku in a line waiting for their turn to be killed one by one. Has Goku even shown the ability to create that big of a blast without charge time? Great zergs around him would be dead, thing is they can replenish their numbers pretty quickly


Piccolo Diamou fired city-busting blasts pretty fast.


is that why the farmer had a ki level of 5? so is that ki just there because of magic?


It's there because he's a living thing. Every living thing has a Ki signature.


Novels for it. Overminds psionic can only be cancelled by the combined energy signatures of the Dark Templars and the Templars because to cancel out the zerg energy, that the Xel'Naga created, they needed the whole protoss energy signature which is the combined energies of Dark Templar and Templars. If cerebrates could die then why did they need zeratul specifically to destroy it? That spaceship is Garinthor infused with Zeratul's and Tassadars energy thats why the resulting explosion killed the overmind.
Psionic storms rips apart the minds of its victims, how can goku protect himself from that? or protect himself from hallucination?


And I haven't read the novels I played the games so there what I go by. As for why Zeratul was needed I'd have to ask if you actually payed attention to SC's plot. When Tassadar tricked Kerrigan with his fake duel, Zeratul killed Zasz. When informed of this, Kerrigan states that the Overmind will just ressurect him and then she is informed that something cut off Zasz connection to the Overmind. That something was Zeratul's Dark Templar energies. So yes, Cerebrates can die, they can just be resurrected as long as the Overmind is around. And Zeratul wasn't even at the final battle, it was Tassadar leading the Protoss and Raynor leading his Terran group and them both fighting the Zerg. All Tassadar did was ram him ship into it and it was enough to destroy it.

Also, how can Psionic Storm one-hit Goku when it can't even one hit everyone in Star Craft? Not to mention its an Area of Effect attack he'd have no trouble getting out of the way of in the first place.

[RaTBoYs]

Goku's not a moron, he's not gonna charge up a huge Kamehameha well still surrounded by enemies. He'd use it well out of there range, or as a last resort to destroy whatever Planet he's on.


and he probably will never get a chance where he isnt surrounded by enemies. Fine he can destroy the planet but what then? he cant breathe in space. You assume that it would be goku on one side and zergs on another but you fail to see that the zergs surrounds their opponents flanking and trapping him in the middle.


Except that she's never been shown to do it. Therefore its assumption.


Dark Archons can Mind Control people. Kerrigan is stronger than a Dark Archon. She has only used her powers on Razsagal. If a dark archon can mind control why not a psionically superior kerrigan?


Piccolo Diamou fired city-busting blasts pretty fast.


too bad its goku in the fight and not Piccolo.


It's there because he's a living thing. Every living thing has a Ki signature.


Maybe in DBZ universe but last time i checked Starcraft hasnt even mentioned any Ki in any books nor game.


And I haven't read the novels I played the games so there what I go by. As for why Zeratul was needed I'd have to ask if you actually payed attention to SC's plot. When Tassadar tricked Kerrigan with his fake duel, Zeratul killed Zasz. When informed of this, Kerrigan states that the Overmind will just ressurect him and then she is informed that something cut off Zasz connection to the Overmind. That something was Zeratul's Dark Templar energies. So yes, Cerebrates can die, they can just be resurrected as long as the Overmind is around. And Zeratul wasn't even at the final battle, it was Tassadar leading the Protoss and Raynor leading his Terran group and them both fighting the Zerg. All Tassadar did was ram him ship into it and it was enough to destroy it.

Also, how can Psionic Storm one-hit Goku when it can't even one hit everyone in Star Craft? Not to mention its an Area of Effect attack he'd have no trouble getting out of the way of in the first place.

yes cerebrates can die when they are cancelled out by the combined energies of dark templar and high templars. thats why every attempt of killing one before horribly failed. So how will goku cut off a cerebrates link with the overmind if he doesnt have the dark templars energies?

In the final confrontation with the Overmind, the Protoss drew upon the services of the Dark Templar along with Raynor's Raiders. Together, both forces fought their way to the Overmind. The Overmind, already in a state of psychic shock due to the assassination of two of its cerebrates by the Dark Templar, Zeratul, was helpless. Its guardian cerebrates were unable to successfully defend it and Tassadar was able to destroy it, along with himself, through the use of Dark Templar energy before it could escape.

Zeratul might not have been there but tassadar still used Dark Templar energies along with his own to cancel out the existence of the Zerg overmind.

Ever heard of game balancing? wouldnt it be broken as hell if a psionic storm can just one hit kill anything it touches. Psionic storm is a storm created by the templar to rip apart an opponents minds apart.

Tassadar can create hallucinations of himself. He has protoss shields. Psionic storm in the starcraftverse isnt as small as in the game. It also rips apart the minds of its targets. What is stopping Tassadar from spamming hallucinations of himself making goku waste his ki blast and being attacked by psionic storm while busy wasting his energies on a hallucination?

[mystictrunks]

If Goku wished to destroy the planet he could simply fire a planet destroying attack from afar then teleport away before it reaches the planet.

[RaTBoYs]

If Goku wished to destroy the planet he could simply fire a planet destroying attack from afar then teleport away before it reaches the planet.

but most zergs are at space how would goku deal with them then?

[mystictrunks]

Wait,I thought we were talking about Tassadar,where did all these zergs come from O.o

[RaTBoYs]

Wait,I thought we were talking about Tassadar,where did all these zergs come from O.o

oh nvm that lol thought u were random nobody. Well as I said before it all depends on what goku does first. If he just decides to go for the one-hit kill and speedblitz tassadar, he wins. But if he decides to mess around for a bit he will get beat by tassadar's psionic powers in my opinion. But if he does destroy the planet tassadar is done for.

[Reznor]

How about the fact that Babidi never once controlled anything with his mind? His "control" is a magical contract that only works on evil people with a desire for power, while Tassadar can wave his hand and make Mother Teresa streak naked from the other side of the planet.
the fact that babidi needs evil in heart to mind control someone shows that he isnt psionically strong. The only thing that babidi has shown psionically is mind control dabura who is the demon king therefore a lot of evil in the heart which makes it easy for him. He couldnt even fully mind control vegeta.
He is able to communicate with everyone on Earth at once.... and pick up their thoughts. And can kill them by exploding their heads.

Communicating with everyone on Earth is something that the North Kai can do, so it won't surprise the Supreme Kai that Babidi could... but he WAS surprised by the fact that Babidi was able to take over the King of Demons, even while already knowing about the ability to exploit evil in one's heart for Mind Control - meaning that control Dabura was quite the feat.

I'm not saying that Babidi can beat Tassadar as his own game, but that he has enough of his own games to merit being in Tassadar's league.

Example: Can Tassadar mantain telepathy with everyone on Earth? Tassadar uses communicators to even speak with individuals. I guess that means he's not that psionically powerful? :-( See? You can compare that kind of thing too to make the same arguement, that's the flaw.

[RaTBoYs]

He is able to communicate with everyone on Earth at once.... and pick up their thoughts. And can kill them by exploding their heads.

Communicating with everyone on Earth is something that the North Kai can do, so it won't surprise the Supreme Kai that Babidi could... but he WAS surprised by the fact that Babidi was able to take over the King of Demons, even while already knowing about the ability to exploit evil in one's heart for Mind Control - meaning that control Dabura was quite the feat.

I'm not saying that Babidi can beat Tassadar as his own game, but that he has enough of his own games to merit being in Tassadar's league.

Example: Can Tassadar mantain telepathy with everyone on Earth? Tassadar uses communicators to even speak with individuals. I guess that means he's not that psionically powerful? :-( See? You can compare that kind of thing too to make the same arguement, that's the flaw.

scans of that guy exploding people's heads. Can he pick up everyones thought at once or one by one? if so I want to see some scans.

well since tassadar can fight kerrigan evenly without getting murdered he is probably stronger psionically than the overmind who can maintain psionic control over the zergs and cerebrates. the overmind can also revive dead cerebrates instantaenously. the overmind can open up rifts in space for space travel for the swarm. since the overmind can do it, then I wont be surprised if tassadar can too.

Tassadar is psionically connected to every protoss at once 24/7 unless he severs that psionic link.

If the only thing the psychics in DBZ can do is maintain telepathy with each other, which is natural to every psychic in starcraft, they dont even come close to the psionic powers of the psychics in starcraft, that can create mind storms, open up rifts, control millions upon millions of zergs, create strong psychic barriers, reviving fallen allies, and mind control.

[Reznor]

scans of that guy exploding people's heads. Can he pick up everyones thought at once or one by one? if so I want to see some scans. I don't have the link to the online DB manga.
If someone has that, it would help.

He relayed a audio/visual message to everyone asking about Trunks whereabouts. He then told them they could contact him by thinking to him.

I'm not sure if its filler, but one of the tournament officials gave him useless info, so he exploded his head.

well since tassadar can fight kerrigan evenly without getting murdered he is probably stronger psionically than the overmind who can maintain psionic control over the zergs and cerebrates. the overmind can also revive dead cerebrates instantaenously. the overmind can open up rifts in space for space travel for the swarm. since the overmind can do it, then I wont be surprised if tassadar can too. There are a number of logical leaps in that.

Kerrigan can control masses of Zerg better than the Overmind? I'm not sure about that. Even if she can, that's in Brood War, so she may have improved from the point she fought Tassadar (when was that?)

Secondly, beating the Overmind in one function doesn't mean she beats him in other functions.

Now, the Tassadar fighting Kerrigan evenly doesn't imply that Tassadar has equal psionic power. Most of Kerrigan's psionics are based around Zerg control and stuff, not overt attacks. Kerrigan's Total Psions > Tassadar's Psionics > Kerrigans overt Psionics. That would make the most sense.

Tassadar is psionically connected to every protoss at once 24/7 unless he severs that psionic link.

If the only thing the psychics in DBZ can do is maintain telepathy with each other, which is natural to every psychic in starcraft, they dont even come close to the psionic powers of the psychics in starcraft, that can create mind storms, open up rifts, control millions upon millions of zergs, create strong psychic barriers, reviving fallen allies, and mind control.Babidi had a barrier.
Large scale telekinesis is also in DB.

Revival and opening rifts have been done, but not by the psychics.

My only point with the psychic arguement is that you can't expect that "Mindrape" just is an auto-success that wins it for him.

Goku has some resistance to that, with the aforementioned logic.
Tassadar can't stand up to a blast from Goku.
Goku is faster.

[RaTBoYs]

I don't have the link to the online DB manga.
If someone has that, it would help.

He relayed a audio/visual message to everyone asking about Trunks whereabouts. He then told them they could contact him by thinking to him.

I'm not sure if its filler, but one of the tournament officials gave him useless info, so he exploded his head.


did he relay it to everyone on earth?


There are a number of logical leaps in that.

Kerrigan can control masses of Zerg better than the Overmind? I'm not sure about that. Even if she can, that's in Brood War, so she may have improved from the point she fought Tassadar (when was that?)

Secondly, beating the Overmind in one function doesn't mean she beats him in other functions.

Now, the Tassadar fighting Kerrigan evenly doesn't imply that Tassadar has equal psionic power. Most of Kerrigan's psionics are based around Zerg control and stuff, not overt attacks. Kerrigan's Total Psions > Tassadar's Psionics > Kerrigans overt Psionics. That would make the most sense.


The overmind had to use cerebrates to relay his order to the zerg broods, kerrigan only needed herself to control the entire zerg swarm. There was no indication that she improved from SC original to SC:BW, all she did was try to kill of the UED and manipulate raynor and fenix, no real training was done.

Well seeing as the overmind did all those by psionic and kerrigan did all those better than the overmind I can see that she is better than the overmind.

Kerrigan could use psionic storm so she has some psionic attacks. Kerrigan might be a little bit better than Tassadar but tassadar has potent psionics.


Babidi had a barrier.
Large scale telekinesis is also in DB.

Revival and opening rifts have been done, but not by the psychics.

My only point with the psychic arguement is that you can't expect that "Mindrape" just is an auto-success that wins it for him.

Goku has some resistance to that, with the aforementioned logic.
Tassadar can't stand up to a blast from Goku.
Goku is faster.

How large? and scans please. Kerrigan could control millions of zergs upon a vast distance. Protoss can talk to people psychicly over long distances. Dark archons can mind control people, Templars can create a storm that rips apart the minds of others and more.

Revivals might have been done but is it as fast as the overminds?

Well seeing as how tassadar's psionic powers is vastly more powerful than babidi's who has never shown real mind control, I think that goku will get his mind ripped apart by one psionic storm. but as I said before if Goku can speedblitz tassadar he will win.

[Reznor]

did he relay it to everyone on earth? Yeah.

The overmind had to use cerebrates to relay his order to the zerg broods, kerrigan only needed herself to control the entire zerg swarm. There was no indication that she improved from SC original to SC:BW, all she did was try to kill of the UED and manipulate raynor and fenix, no real training was done.

Well seeing as the overmind did all those by psionic and kerrigan did all those better than the overmind I can see that she is better than the overmind. How is that better than the overmind? She doesn't have nearly the same brood size.

She had to kill the overmind, with limited zerg help, because it would override her. Even now, she is winning against crippled forces - protoss have lost Auir, Mengsk lost his Empire, UED lost a large portion and their overmind. She didn't take people full force, she played people against each other.

Even if her Zerg Control > Overmind, that doesn't mean she can do everything the Overmind does. She has no need to make space rifts for Cerebrates.
How large? and scans please. I still don't have them. We'll have to wait for someone that does.

Kerrigan could control millions of zergs upon a vast distance. Protoss can talk to people psychicly over long distances. Dark archons can mind control people, Templars can create a storm that rips apart the minds of others and more. Those are alot of different people though. I was just citing Babidi. Of course SCverse has more total psychic abilites.

I'm saying that Babidi is close to the more powerful psychics in SC.
Well seeing as how tassadar's psionic powers is vastly more powerful than babidi's who has never shown real mind control, I think that goku will get his mind ripped apart by one psionic storm. but as I said before if Goku can speedblitz tassadar he will win. When has Tassadar ever "mindraped" anyone?

[lordridley]

no matter how you put it, tassadar is powerful alone and has a masive battlefleet on his side. i mean not even goku could beat a swarm of 500,000 protoss intercepters(maybe not that many but you get the point).

[RaTBoYs]

Yeah.

How is that better than the overmind? She doesn't have nearly the same brood size.


its better because it means she is psionically more powerful than the overmind who had to use cerebrates to control the zerg swarm. And she may have a smaller brood size, maybe smaller like 1 million zerg but its not that smaller than the overmind's brood.


She had to kill the overmind, with limited zerg help, because it would override her. Even now, she is winning against crippled forces - protoss have lost Auir, Mengsk lost his Empire, UED lost a large portion and their overmind. She didn't take people full force, she played people against each other.


okay I dont really get what youre trying to say here. Kerrigan never had to kill the overmind, tassadar killed the overmind. UED lost their expeditionary force, they still had a potent space fleet. Protoss did lose Auir but some of their troops maybe like 40-50% evacuated to shakuras, where the Dark Templars are. Mengsk did regain his empire with the help of kerrigan who led the assault against the UED and some of the zergs. Kerrigan's army is still the most strongest one in a powerful universe.


Even if her Zerg Control > Overmind, that doesn't mean she can do everything the Overmind does. She has no need to make space rifts for Cerebrates.
I still don't have them. We'll have to wait for someone that does.


evidence suggest that she is psionically more powerful than the overmind, might not be that much powerful but she is at least as powerful. Thats why she doesnt create rifts, but how does that prove babidi is as strong as tassadar?


Those are alot of different people though. I was just citing Babidi. Of course SCverse has more total psychic abilites.

I'm saying that Babidi is close to the more powerful psychics in SC.


Name me one thing that babidi has done that puts him as an equal of any powerful psychics in SC. Psychics in SC doesnt need evil in the heart to mind control someone. Psychics in SC telepathically(sp?) communicate with each other thousands of lightyears away from each other. Psychics in SC can create space rifts.

Tassadar can create hallucinations of himself, Tassadar can create a psionic storm that can rip an opponents mind apart. Tassadar is psionically linked to every protoss 24/7 unless he severs that connection.


When has Tassadar ever "mindraped" anyone?

Psionic storm.

[~Shin~]

Hallucination are illusions that affect the mind I doubt goku can resist a powerful psionic illusion.

Because Psionic storm doesnt hurt physically but mentally. Has anyone in DBZ shown resistance to psychic attacks?

oh and bustin a planet means invincibility now? last time I checked goku almost got killed by a virus, guess what bustin a planet is a feat beyond a mere virus but it still almost killed goku.

What are you talking about? A virus attacks on a cellular level by taking control of one's cells and replicating itself and destroying the host cell eventually. Destroying a planet doesn't mean that one is immune to every kind of bacteria or virus. They have no connection whatsoever.

[RaTBoYs]

What are you talking about? A virus attacks on a cellular level by taking control of one's cells and replicating itself and destroying the host cell eventually. Destroying a planet doesn't mean that one is immune to every kind of bacteria or virus. They have no connection whatsoever.

so how will goku deal with a pschic attack? or tons of hallucinations of tassadar?

[Reznor]

Name me one thing that babidi has done that puts him as an equal of any powerful psychics in SC. Psychics in SC doesnt need evil in the heart to mind control someone. Psychics in SC telepathically(sp?) communicate with each other thousands of lightyears away from each other. Psychics in SC can create space rifts. You are taking one thing that SC characters can do and comparing it to Babidi's ability in that, ignoring his other abilities.

Can anyone in SC communicate with everyone on the planet at once with audio and optional visual, pick up the thoughts of anyone that tries to think back to him and explode their heads?

Apples and Oranges.

Babidi has different abilites, but the magnitude is very impressive.

Babidi couldn't explode the heads of the more powerful DB characters, so it's not unreasonable that he could withstand a few of Tassadars attacks.

[RaTBoYs]

You are taking one thing that SC characters can do and comparing it to Babidi's ability in that, ignoring his other abilities.

Can anyone in SC communicate with everyone on the planet at once with audio and optional visual, pick up the thoughts of anyone that tries to think back to him and explode their heads?

Apples and Oranges.

Babidi has different abilites, but the magnitude is very impressive.

Babidi couldn't explode the heads of the more powerful DB characters, so it's not unreasonable that he could withstand a few of Tassadars attacks.

Kerrigan can communicate with everyone in her swarm which is vastly more larger than the DB earth's population. Tassadar is always connected to the protoss race except if he severs that connection. Psionic storm rips aparts the minds of its targets.

not really because everything babidi can do tassadar can do better.

Telepathic communication? exploding peoples heads? not that different from tassadar's telepathic communication abilities and psionic storm capabilities.

It shows how weak psychicly he is. All the people babidi mind controlled are people with evil in their heart, thats how his mind control works. And I dont remember babidi actually exploding a guy's head in DBZ. Saying Goku, with a simple mind, can withstand an attack from a 356 year old being who has achieved the title of executor in a highly psionic race, is a pretty big assumption.