OP team vs. Magneto

[Dark Evangel]

Luffy
Ace
Aokiji
Eneru
Smoker

Were all teamed up against a full-powered Magneto.

[tinoxtreme]

If it is a full-powered Magento, he would win with a curbstomp.

[Kimimaro]

I doubt anything could go past his shield.

[tinoxtreme]

Not to mention he can redirect the iron in your blood stream to cause aneurysms and unconsciousness. Now that's fucked up. lol

[Kagutsuchi]

Magneto in some giant curbstomp.

[Orion]

Magneto in some giant curbstomp.

Magneto hurts a logia how?

[Shuntensatsu]

Magneto hurts a logia how?

My thoughts exactly, and you have two of the most powerful Logia's in this battle. Along with Smoker who he also has no chance of hurting.

[Kimimaro]

Magneto once fought Xavier telepathically without psychic defenses (plus, Xavier was struggling), so wouldn't he like, be able to mindfuck the rest?

[Orion]

Magneto once fought Xavier telepathically without psychic defenses (plus, Xavier was struggling), so wouldn't he like, be able to mindfuck the rest?

And this happened when?I dont ever remember magneto being a xavier lvl telepath.

[The Internet]

Eneru and Smoker's bodies ARE there elements. He can not hurt them in any way. Same for Ace.

And Luffy's body is rubber, how would magnetism effect him?

[Comic Book Guy]

Magneto once fought Xavier telepathically without psychic defenses (plus, Xavier was struggling), so wouldn't he like, be able to mindfuck the rest?

Magneto is a low-level telepath, or had some implications of being one. I suppose this is referring to when Xavier and Magneto had a battle of wills on the Astral Plane (which Magneto actually manifested an astral form of himsef).

Against a serious Xavier, Magneto has no defenses save for his psi-shielded helmet.

[Megadoomer]

Magneto can manipulate metal, right? Well, the jutte on Smoker's back is made of seastone, which is a metal unique to the One Piece world. Couldn't he use Smoker's jutte in some way to win?

Correct me if I'm wrong on this. I haven't read the X-Men comics in a long time.

[Giovanni Rild]

He uses Eneru as a weapon. Uses Smoker's weaopn against him and butt-rapes the whole lot of em.

[Shuntensatsu]

He uses Eneru as a weapon. Uses Smoker's weaopn against him and butt-rapes the whole lot of em.

I see you aren't even considering trying to make sense today.

[tinoxtreme]

Alright, but does the one piece universe have the regular anatomy of a human? Because if they do, they have a good amount of iron in their bloodstream. And Magneto can manipulate that to do a lot of crazy shit.

[Shuntensatsu]

Alright, but does the one piece universe have the regular anatomy of a human? Because if they do, they have a good amount of iron in their bloodstream. And Magneto can manipulate that to do a lot of crazy shit.

Not Logia fruits. Logia fruit users are in fact their element. Enel is in fact Lightning itself, as Ace is fire and Ao Kiji is Ice. They cannot take any form of physical damage unless you have some method of nullifying their DF.

[Orion]

Alright, but does the one piece universe have the regular anatomy of a human? Because if they do, they have a good amount of iron in their bloodstream. And Magneto can manipulate that to do a lot of crazy shit.

How do you manipulate the blood of someone who is fire thunder and smoke.........

[masamune1]

Not Logia fruits. Logia fruit users are in fact their element. Enel is in fact Lightning itself, as Ace is fire and Ao Kiji is Ice. They cannot take any form of physical damage unless you have some method of nullifying their DF.


Magneto can manipulate Lightning (albeit to a lesser extent than metal). He can, in fact, manipulate the entire Electro-Magnetic Spectrum, but the Lightning alone means the OP team is history.

[tinoxtreme]

Well some types of smoke have metal in em, so assuming that Smoker has metal in his smoke, he could easily seperate all the metal from the smoke particles and either attach it to his magnetic shield or send them somewhere else. Or he could just levitate him and hold him under the water with Magnetic pressure.

Also Magneto usually protects himself with a personal forcefield that he can quickly expand to protect large areas. His forcefield has withstood the effects of multiple nuclear weapons, volcanic eruption, the depths of space and attacks from multiple Avengers or X-Men, including Phoenix, Thor, and even Galactus (during the Secret Wars).

Not to mention he can control ferrous particles in the atmosphere, and alter the Earth's magnetic field which extends into space as the magnetosphere, prodigiously increase his own strength to superhuman levels.

So If Magneto could stand up against hits from freakin Galactus with his Magnetic field, how the hell are the OP guys going to get though? lol

[Orion]

Well some types of smoke have metal in em, so assuming that Smoker has metal in his smoke, he could easily seperate all the metal from the smoke particles and either attach it to his magnetic shield or send them somewhere else. Or he could just levitate him and hold him under the water with Magnetic pressure.

Also Magneto usually protects himself with a personal forcefield that he can quickly expand to protect large areas. His forcefield has withstood the effects of multiple nuclear weapons, volcanic eruption, the depths of space and attacks from multiple Avengers or X-Men, including Phoenix, Thor, and even Galactus (during the Secret Wars).

Not to mention he can control ferrous particles in the atmosphere, and alter the Earth's magnetic field which extends into space as the magnetosphere, prodigiously increase his own strength to superhuman levels.

So If Magneto could stand up against hits from freakin Galactus with his Magnetic field, how the hell are the OP guys going to get though? lol

I never said any of the op guys were getting through his forcefield,I know quite well magneto is a beast and whenever the x-men beat him it is pure pis,but he also cant kill the logias so its a tie.

[masamune1]

Magneto's powers are very location-dependant. By this, I mean that he can do more harm in a city than he can in say... the countryside, simply because there is more metal to control.

However, he is very vesatile, and like I said can control the entire electro-magnetic spectrum. finding something for him to manipulate is probably an easier task than it first appears. Nonetheless, we can't tell how well Magneto will do until we know the enviroment he is fighting in.

[Shuntensatsu]

Magneto can manipulate Lightning (albeit to a lesser extent than metal). He can, in fact, manipulate the entire Electro-Magnetic Spectrum, but the Lightning alone means the OP team is history.

Enel's ability to manipulate Lightning is a hell of a lot stronger and more refined than Magnetos. There is no way in hell Magneto is going to be stronger at controlling Lightning than someone who is lightning itself. Not to mention the fact that Enel has mantra and Lightning speed, so he can kill Magneto before he even executes his first move.

[EvilMoogle]

Magneto hurts a logia how?

He opens a wormhole where they're standing and juts them across space and existence?

At least, that's how I'd do it, assuming that he can't simply destroy them in some more traditional fashion.

Seriously, this is a Magneto rape-stomp. Anyone who doesn't think so has no idea what "full-powered Magneto" can do.

(And this ignores the fact that technically "full-powered Magneto" would be the Magneto that was possessed by Xorn with all the powers of all the mutants depowered by House of M. But even the strongest incarnation of Magneto before this could stomp the entire One Piece universe without breaking a sweat)

[Orion]

He opens a wormhole where they're standing and juts them across space and existence?

At least, that's how I'd do it, assuming that he can't simply destroy them in some more traditional fashion.

Seriously, this is a Magneto rape-stomp. Anyone who doesn't think so has no idea what "full-powered Magneto" can do.

(And this ignores the fact that technically "full-powered Magneto" would be the Magneto that was possessed by Xorn with all the powers of all the mutants depowered by House of M. But even the strongest incarnation of Magneto before this could stomp the entire One Piece universe without breaking a sweat)

Im trying to remember when magneto started throwing people through space on a whim.....and cant,and being in space isnt a problem for the logia's again this is a tie because magneto cannot hurt them and they cant hurt him.

[EvilMoogle]

Im trying to remember when magneto started throwing people through space on a whim.....and cant,and being in space isnt a problem for the logia's again this is a tie because magneto cannot hurt them and they cant hurt him.

Er, Logia's have been shown to be able to survive in space indefinitely when?

Hell, you can't even prove that logia's can survive without food (which they would need to do even assuming they could return under their own power). They still eat, so the safe assumption is they need to eat unless the comic says otherwise later.

And Magneto has been shown to make wormholes on multiple occasions to distant locations (light-years away).

Magneto taking hits from Thor and She-Hulk:
http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg

Magneto deflecting a light attack (note shield down before attack):
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6231/magcontrolsphotons0ki.jpg
You were saying about a speed-blitz?

Lightning is worthless against Magneto (worse actually, it actually makes him stronger):
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2016/mags22sh.jpg

Magneto teleporting across earth via a wormhole:
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur0821de3.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur0822gi2.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur0825xx4.jpg

[Shuntensatsu]

Er, Logia's have been shown to be able to survive in space indefinitely when?



Guess you don't read the manga because Enel has been on the moon for a long time.

[EvilMoogle]

Guess you don't read the manga because Enel has been on the moon for a long time.

Key word was "indefinitely." If Magneto drops the Logia's off on say Pluto it would take years for them to travel back to Earth. They'll starve to death before they can return (even assuming they all can return, I doubt Smoker could survive in space due to his particular nature).

Or Magneto could just enclose them all in shields of force and wait. Or disperse them across the planet (gosh, I wonder what would happen when part of them hits the ocean).

If nothing else, Magneto has the out of he can win if he notices that they react to the ocean (or any water really). Nothing One Piece has is breaking his shield so it's Magneto's to win. Only question is how long.

[atom]

Yeah, uhm. Is Magneto as fast as half the speed of light...? Nope, He dies. The end.

[EvilMoogle]

Yeah, uhm. Is Magneto as fast as half the speed of light...? Nope, He dies. The end.

Is Magneto? No, he's no-where near that fast.

His powers seem to be instantaneous though. Scroll up and I link a scan of him blocking a lightspeed attack though.

Unless you're arguing that the people listed have attacks faster than the speed of light he can block them. And nothing in the OP universe will break through his shield once it's up (actually, it's debatable Blackbeard could, but he's not in the fight so who cares).

So basically Magneto easily kills the non-logia's and any logia's that foolishly revert to flesh-and-blood then it's a stalemate until Magneto realizes the logia's are weak against water. At which point Magneto wins.

[atom]

Enel and all of his attacks are half the speed of light. In other words. Enel shocks Magneto and Magneto being a normal human/mutant dies.

[EvilMoogle]

Enel and all of his attacks are half the speed of light. In other words. Enel shocks Magneto and Magneto being a normal human/mutant dies.

Yes, and Dazzler and Captain Marvel ("Photon" now iirc)'s attacks are the actual speed of light (and actually are light if you care), and Magneto can block those.

Just where am I losing you? Enel and all of his attacks will bounce off of Magneto's shield.

Of course, even if they didn't for some reason, Magneto has stated a number of times to Storm that being struck by lightning/electrical attacks only makes him stronger.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2016/mags22sh.jpg

[atom]

If you want to play the statement game, then Enel stated that he is god. If you assume that all statements are true. Then Enel is omnipotent and rapes Magneto.

Anyway sure it would make him stronger <_<. Anyway, worst case scenario Smoker takes off his sword and just turns into Smoke and chokes Magneto. Then Enel proceeds to kill.

[EvilMoogle]

If you want to play the statement game, then Enel stated that he is god. If you assume that all statements are true. Then Enel is omnipotent and rapes Magneto.
Watch closely:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2016/mags22sh.jpg
Storm strikes Magneto with a lightning bolt. Magneto is not harmed. Even if he's lying about the "getting stronger" part, he's obviously unphased by the electrical attack. Thus Enel in his lightning form is worthless (and if he reverts to human form he loses quite quickly).

Anyway sure it would make him stronger <_<. Anyway, worst case scenario Smoker takes off his sword and just turns into Smoke and chokes Magneto. Then Enel proceeds to kill.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6231/magcontrolsphotons0ki.jpg
From this image we learn two things.
1: Magneto can form his shield fast enough to block light speed attacks.
2: Magneto's shield is tight enough to block photons (light).

If he can block photons, smoke particles aren't getting through.

[Giovanni Rild]

I see you aren't even considering trying to make sense today.

Magneto rapes them all with smoker's seastone dagger. Simple enough for ya?

[atom]

Watch closely:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2016/mags22sh.jpg
Storm strikes Magneto with a lightning bolt. Magneto is not harmed. Even if he's lying about the "getting stronger" part, he's obviously unphased by the electrical attack. Thus Enel in his lightning form is worthless (and if he reverts to human form he loses quite quickly).


http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6231/magcontrolsphotons0ki.jpg
From this image we learn two things.
1: Magneto can form his shield fast enough to block light speed attacks.
2: Magneto's shield is tight enough to block photons (light).

If he can block photons, smoke particles aren't getting through.
can he attack with the shield on?

[EdwardElric]

Enel and all of his attacks are half the speed of light. In other words. Enel shocks Magneto and Magneto being a normal human/mutant dies.

That statement itself is a contradiction. Mutants are not mere "normal humans." No "normal" humans I know of can control the entire electromagnetic spectrum, and create WORMHOLES and travel through them.

[Leskyel]

Luffy, Rob and Zoro are 100% screwed.
As for the rest. Magneto can't hurt Ace, Smoker and Enel and they can't hurt him. :\

[atom]

I meant normal human as in he is still only human, albeit a insanely strong one

[Dark Evangel]

Magneto's barrier was able to block Wanda's hex magic.

[Sylar]

I wonder if Mag's barrier could block Solar Emperor or Raigou...

Those are island busting attacks by the way.

[Havoc]

Mags shields took a blast from Phoenix.

[Dark Evangel]

I wonder if Mag's barrier could block Solar Emperor or Raigou...

Those are island busting attacks by the way.Magneto's barrier can even block planet destroying attacks such as a punch from Galactus, Thor's God Force, Full blast from Phoenix, Hulk who destoyed meteor twice the size of earth.

[EvilMoogle]

can he attack with the shield on?

Yup, and by all appearances keeping his shield up is not even a strain. Magneto at his heights of power is a scary being.

And Magneto's very intelligent and flexible. Once he figures out that "normal" tactics don't work against the logia-types, he'll try different things. Eventually he'll find something that works (and given that Ace is there, using water won't exactly be a stretch to think of. Not much of a stretch for Smoker too.).

An average showing of Magneto might fall (I'd still bet on Magneto, but there's at least a chance he'd lose), but at his height of power he absolutely dominates the fight.

Granted it's a metal feat but here's a fun one just to show what sort of thing you're dealing with:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetoripslogansadamantiumoutqy9.jpg

That's Magneto ripping the indestructible adamantium from Wolverine's bones.
(I realize that since it's a metal feat it's less impressive, but come on, in theory that's an impossible level feat)

[atom]

Interesting. But I still don't see how he could do anything to the Logias. Couldn't the logia's just walk past the barrier? Enel could teleport inside of it. Or use mantra to predict when its about to activate and go instead of it before its formed. etc etc.

[Dark Evangel]

Can he attack while the barrier is on?, or active?Yes because EvilMoogle said so.

[atom]

Still wouldn't make any difference. See post above. (2 posts above actually)

[EvilMoogle]

Interesting. But I still don't see how he could do anything to the Logias. Couldn't the logia's just walk past the barrier? Enel could teleport inside of it. Or use mantra to predict when its about to activate and go instead of it before its formed. etc etc.

I don't see how they could walk/fly through it. It has blocked all manners of different energy attacks. And Enel isn't fast enough to get inside it even if he can predict when Magneto's going to raise it (again, Magneto can raise it fast enough to react to light-speed attacks. Magneto's senses are not "normal human" he can observe things going at the speed of light. Especially when those things are in fact parts of the EM spectrum that his powers are attuned to).

I don't know, I don't see it as a major stretch for Magneto to try using water attacks when there's a guy made out of fire there (or a guy made out of smoke, water's actually very good at getting particles out of the air). Magneto may not be up there with Reed Richards, but he is a genius.

[atom]

Yeah, but Enel could predict that he is about to raise it, teleport to him in about a span of a 1 secondish in advance so when its up, Enel is already inside of the force field. Then 1 million volts to the head.

Good game.

[Dark Evangel]

Don't forget that Magneto has class 100 strength.

[wheres the beef?]

pfff magneto doesn't stand a chance fuck x-men shit lol ooo look at their tights -_- he cant even touch ace :DDD

[Dark Evangel]

I wanna remind everyone that I replaced Zoro and Rob Lucci for Aokiji

[Kage no Yume]

Yeah, but Enel could predict that he is about to raise it, teleport to him in about a span of a 1 secondish in advance so when its up, Enel is already inside of the force field. Then 1 million volts to the head.

Good game.

Enel's mantra works by listening to the opponent's body, and predicting the movements the muscles are going to make. Magneto doesn't move a certain muscle when using his shield. Not that it matters, as it's already been shown that Enel attacking Magneto would probably get Enel absorbed, and make Magneto stronger.

Interesting. But I still don't see how he could do anything to the Logias. Couldn't the logia's just walk past the barrier? Enel could teleport inside of it. Or use mantra to predict when its about to activate and go instead of it before its formed. etc etc.

Nothing, not even photons (smaller than electrons, which Enel is made up of), can get past his barrier. He can put it up instantly. The OP team will not get through.


And as it's been mentioned numerous times, Magneto uses the conveniently placed metal bar on Smoker's back, which just happens to be seastone, to blast holes through the logia users' heads.

Seriously, since it's the closest and most convenient piece of metal in the area, the fight will be over pretty quickly.

[Louis-954]

Originally Posted by feitan
Magneto hurts a logia how?

My thoughts exactly, and you have two of the most powerful Logia's in this battle. Along with Smoker who he also has no chance of hurting.
Well the human body does have Iron in it.

[Orion]

Enel's mantra works by listening to the opponent's body, and predicting the movements the muscles are going to make. Magneto doesn't move a certain muscle when using his shield. Not that it matters, as it's already been shown that Enel attacking Magneto would probably get Enel absorbed, and make Magneto stronger.



Nothing, not even photons (smaller than electrons, which Enel is made up of), can get past his barrier. He can put it up instantly. The OP team will not get through.


And as it's been mentioned numerous times, Magneto uses the conveniently placed metal bar on Smoker's back, which just happens to be seastone, to blast holes through the logia users' heads.

Seriously, since it's the closest and most convenient piece of metal in the area, the fight will be over pretty quickly.

Has seastone been confirmed to actually be metal?I dont remember either way.

[EvilMoogle]

Yeah, but Enel could predict that he is about to raise it, teleport to him in about a span of a 1 secondish in advance so when its up, Enel is already inside of the force field. Then 1 million volts to the head.

Good game.

A) "1 secondish" is a long freaking time to someone that can react to lightspeed attacks.

B) We've already proved that electrical attacks (at the very least) do not hurt Magneto.

This is getting tiresome. I'll shift tactics and try this: Since we've proven Magneto can react faster than all the OP people, he starts the fight by stopping the blood flow to the brain of all his opponents (including the logia's who haven't had a chance to transform yet). They all have strokes and die.

Good game.

[ÐÈPRÈŞŞÈÐ]

It's over, EvilMoogle won. Magneto is above Team One Piece.

[ZergKage]

Magneto rapes them all with smoker's seastone dagger. Simple enough for ya?

This will be the best way to kill the Logia and as long as he has his shields up their attacks will be useless

[omg laser pew pew!]

Full powered Magneto is basically the Magneto half of what Onslaught. In other words he can give himself insane levels of strength and durability

[atom]

A) "1 secondish" is a long freaking time to someone that can react to lightspeed attacks.

B) We've already proved that electrical attacks (at the very least) do not hurt Magneto.

This is getting tiresome. I'll shift tactics and try this: Since we've proven Magneto can react faster than all the OP people, he starts the fight by stopping the blood flow to the brain of all his opponents (including the logia's who haven't had a chance to transform yet). They all have strokes and die.

Good game.
If you want to play that game. Enel speedblitz and kills Magneto before he puts on his armor or helmet.

[Havoc]

Wtf are you even talking about? You're not even putting up a real argument now.

[ZergKage]

So this is Naked Magneto putting on his clothes vs Team OP?

[Elyon]

If Magneto can manipulate Smoker's sword, then the entire team is dead. Otherwise, Magneto can't compare.

[Havoc]

Magneto can't compare? Do you even know the full extent of his powers?


At the very least, Magneto can win by ringout.

[Elyon]

Against OP? PNJ incarnated?

[Havoc]

Speak english please.

[Elyon]

Translations:
One Piece brings the ultimate...there's no other word for them.

Here's an example:
Luffy gets tossed around by Blueno and has to use Gear 2. Suddenly he eats meet, then he goes after Lucci and it's basically Blueno all over again. Except, Lucci's at most 5 times stronger than Blueno.

Luffy alone would eat some meat and tear through Magneto after getting his ass whooped all over the place.

[Havoc]

Yea, because we use stuff like that in the OB...fights here are not bond by plot, sorry.

[atom]

Does rubber have any metallic substances in it?

[ZergKage]

My best guess would be no.

[Havoc]

I don't believe so. But Luffy will have plenty of metal in him when he is impaled.

[Elyon]

He doesn't need to be impaled, just being near the sword would neutralize all thier powers. Except Smoker unless he took his clothes off.

Yea, because we use stuff like that in the OB...fights here are not bond by plot, sorry.
That's how OP characters are, so it would still have to count. Unless you're going to downgrade them.

[Havoc]

That's not downgrading. You can't you plot based situations in OB. Or else Captain America and Wolverine would beat the OP universe by themselves.


If you're talking about something different then please explain to me what you mean.

[Elyon]

Plot or not, Luffy's character has the uncanny ability to suddenly get strong enough to go all out on the big boss and win while barely getting away with his life only around a day or so after they wipe the floor with him. All he has to do is eat some meat and have some motivation.

[King Bookah]

Does Luffy have access to meat in this fight?

Also, that is an interesting problem. Luffy does have the ability to magically heal by eating meat (which is bull BTW), but is it PNJ or what?

[Dark Evangel]

Does Luffy have access to meat in this fight?

Also, that is an interesting problem. Luffy does have the ability to magically heal by eating meat (which is bull BTW), but is it PNJ or what?
Healing is not gonna help him fight against a full powered Magneto and even if luffy has gear 3. He has no chance in hell so that is why I put Aokiji in the fight.

[King Bookah]

Healing is not gonna help him fight against a full powered Magneto and even if luffy has gear 3. He has no chance in hell so that is why I put Aokiji in the fight.

Yeah, I know meat wasn't gonna help. Merely stating the obvious.:amuse

[Havoc]

Whatever Elyon, if you wanna be wrong that's up to you.

Luffy can go all out all he wants to while he's in space.

[King Bookah]

Ah, that good ole One Piece denial. Still as abundant as ever.

[Elyon]

Whatever Elyon, if you wanna be wrong that's up to you.
But i'm not wrong, it's a fact about Luffy.

But, Luffy isn't even a deciding factor in this fight. Compared to the others he's at the worst disadvantage. Luffy only has a paramecia fruit, the Logias'll take this.

Unless, once more, Magneto can use Smoker's sword. In which case they're all doomed because coming into contact means it saps thier strength and nullifies thier power.

[Havoc]

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/417866_1-the-official-magneto-respect-thread


Go there Magnetos respect thread. It's a good read.

[Elyon]

I'd rather not, i'll just stick to Wiki for now.

Unless there's some kind of metal in Ice, Smoke, or Fire, Magneto's powers won't work with those three. Aoikiji can freeze an ocean, Ace can make a second-sun, and Smoker can...make Magneto get lung cancer I guess...

[Havoc]

Why stick with wiki, when the respect thread is more reliable since it includes actual scans?

Besides, none of there powers will get past Mags shields.

[Elyon]

But none of Magneto's powers will have any effect, directly. The only thing he could do is gather thier opposing elements through the use of his own powers and hope it works. Like, make a metal pipe to direct water at Ace or something.

And even then it probably wouldn't work for very long. All those three would have to do is wear him down. Maybe just let Luffy do all the work for a while, then attack. They can draw an infinite amount of thier elements from thier bodies, so they won't run out of ammunition before Magneto runs out of energy.

[Giovanni Rild]

Does Luffy have access to meat in this fight?

Also, that is an interesting problem. Luffy does have the ability to magically heal by eating meat (which is bull BTW), but is it PNJ or what?

Knights Of The OB: 1

OPtards: 0

And that's PnJ unless he did it more than once.

[Dark Evangel]

But none of Magneto's powers will have any effect, directly. The only thing he could do is gather thier opposing elements through the use of his own powers and hope it works. Like, make a metal pipe to direct water at Ace or something.

And even then it probably wouldn't work for very long. All those three would have to do is wear him down. Maybe just let Luffy do all the work for a while, then attack. They can draw an infinite amount of thier elements from thier bodies, so they won't run out of ammunition before Magneto runs out of energy.Magneto doesn't just control metal that's movie crap. And Magneto btw control the whole electro magnetic spectrum which is btw the reason Enel is going down first.

[Elyon]

He's done it a couple times in the Enies Lobby arc, and once in the Arabasta arc.

After he's beaten by Blueno and owned by Lucci, he eats some meat on the train and suddenly humiliates Blueno just barely. Then goes on to eat meat again and takes on Lucci in an all out fight that he wins.

In the Arabasta arc, he was stabbed through the chest with Crocodile's hook, but then all he wanted was meat. After that he's fully healed without even a scar, then he goes on to kick Croc's ass in an all-out fight.

Magneto doesn't just control metal that's movie crap. And Magneto btw control the whole electro magnetic spectrum which is btw the reason Enel is going down first.
I know that already, I never said his powers were toward metal only. If that were the case he wouldn't be able to make his force-fields.

But, Enel has complete control over his powers. Even to the point that his heart could stop and he can start it again with them. Between those two it would be a battle of wills (no doubt Magneto would win). While that's going on, it could be easy for Ace to fry Magneto or smoker to...collapse his lungs or something.

[Havoc]

And why would Luffy even have meat in this fight?

[Elyon]

Same reason he had meat after the Blueno fight, he takes it just to eat when he feels like it. Luffy is worse than Goku, he trained himself to eat while he's sleeping.

[Giovanni Rild]

He's done it a couple times in the Enies Lobby arc, and once in the Arabasta arc.

After he's beaten by Blueno and owned by Lucci, he eats some meat on the train and suddenly humiliates Blueno just barely. Then goes on to eat meat again and takes on Lucci in an all out fight that he wins.

In the Arabasta arc, he was stabbed through the chest with Crocodile's hook, but then all he wanted was meat. After that he's fully healed without even a scar, then he goes on to kick Croc's ass in an all-out fight.


I know that already, I never said his powers were toward metal only. If that were the case he wouldn't be able to make his force-fields.

But, Enel has complete control over his powers. Even to the point that his heart could stop and he can start it again with them. Between those two it would be a battle of wills (no doubt Magneto would win). While that's going on, it could be easy for Ace to fry Magneto or smoker to...collapse his lungs or something.

This is where I ask for scans of each instance he healed from eating meat.

[atom]

He has a supply of meat in his pockets. He started recently doing this for some reason. Probably because of the gears.

[Dark Evangel]

If Phoenix's powers can't go through Magneto's how in the hell would Ace's fire works?

[Havoc]

But really Luffy is irrelevant. He is not getting to even touch Magneto.

Does Luffy bleed? I'm not sure :S If so odds are Magneto could control the iron in his blood, and that's gg for Luffy.



Seriously, Magneto shields block nukes, cosmic spidey blasts, phoenix blasts, etc. What makes you guys think these guys can get through his shields?

[eDyH]

Why is there any discussion of Luffy in here at all...?

He doesn't belong in this match.

With all of the Logia helpless to penetrate Magneto's shield, Luffy is a non-factor. (Unless I missed the part where he showed higher offensive capabilities than Galactus)

[ZergKage]

Oh dang.... I didnt realize Luffy had meat. Luffy wins this by himself.

[Elyon]

This is where I ask for scans of each instance he healed from eating meat.

They don't show him healing from meat. They just show (or say) he eats meat, then he runs off and fights again. No training period, sometimes it seemed in the same day.

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But really Luffy is irrelevant. He is not getting to even touch Magneto.

Does Luffy bleed? I'm not sure If so odds are Magneto could control the iron in his blood, and that's gg for Luffy.



Seriously, Magneto shields block nukes, cosmic spidey blasts, phoenix blasts, etc. What makes you guys think these guys can get through his shields?
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It's not about them getting through, it's about Magneto lowering it. Is Magneto an N/Ominpotent? He can tire.

[Havoc]

Do you know how long it will take Magneto prime to tire? He could just send his opponents away to get time to rest if needed.

[Elyon]

Maybe Luffy and Enel, but not Smoker, Aokiji, and Ace.

They can pull an unlimited amount of whatever element they possess from thier bodies. Even if they can only pull a set amount at once (such as Ace's limit is a miniature sun), they would just need to stream something lower than that amount but still lethal if it hits Magneto.

He's not invincible, and i'm sure those three alone could beat him. All Luffy would be there for is attacking while he's distracted.

[Dark Evangel]

I heard Magneto can control gravity? If so how would the OP team handle that?

[Elyon]

Does gravity affect fire, smoke, ice, or electricity?

[Dark Evangel]

Does gravity affect fire, smoke, ice, or electricity?
Actually it will affect their speed. So the answer is...YES

[Elyon]

Sure it affects thier speed...if thier bodies are solid.

[Giovanni Rild]

Sure it affects thier speed...if thier bodies are solid.

Gravity affects everything.

[Dark Evangel]

Ice and Rubber are solid. And even liquid can be affected by the gravity.

[Elyon]

Everything with mass...

No liquids here. Just gases and energy.

Aoikiji and Luffy are affected, that's it.

[Havoc]

Everything with mass...

No liquids here. Just gases and energy.

Aoikiji and Luffy are affected, that's it.

They all have mass, everything has mass...

[Giovanni Rild]

Everything with mass...

Fire is effected also. And Lightning becomes Eric's bitch

[Dark Evangel]

My point is Ice and Rubber will have more effect on gravity.

[Elyon]

Fire is effected also. And Lightning becomes Eric's bitch
If he can control it. Enel isn't just lightning, he has an actual mind and thinks he's a God. it'll be hard to take control of a mind like that.

Since when is fire affected by gravity? Fire has no solid form, it's just...fire.

[Havoc]

Why do you think fire doesn't float around?

[Elyon]

It does. How do you think the flames stand when it's burning?

[Lee's Suiken]

Christ, the american comic book homerism in the OB is unbelievably high for a anime forum.

Im going to go ahead and say its a draw... Or you guys gonna pull more shit out your asses just to keep this thread going?

[Giovanni Rild]

Well. I know now I'm not the dumbest one here.

Christ, the american comic book homerism in the OB is unbelievably high for a anime forum.

Im going to go ahead and say its a draw... Or you guys gonna pull more shit out your asses just to keep this thread going?

No. Logias lose. Eric kills them all with Smoker's dagger.

[Havoc]

It does. How do you think the flames stand when it's burning?

Wtf are you talking about?

[Elyon]

Im going to go ahead and say its a draw... Or you guys gonna pull more shit out your asses just to keep this thread going?

If you shoot a flame thrower into the air, what happens to the fire? It feeds on oxygen, and last time I checked oxygen isn't being weighed down. Fire isn't effected by gravity, just the things it burns on.

For fire to be affected by gravity, that means it has to have some sort of mass. Mass is something that takes up space, can be weighed, and ...I forget the last thing. Fire doesn't take up space, and i'm pretty sure it can't be wieghed. Gravity won't affect what doesn't have weight.

Im going to go ahead and say its a draw... Or you guys gonna pull more shit out your asses just to keep this thread going?
Yeah, i'll live with a draw.

[Havoc]

If you shoot a flame thrower into the air, what happens to the fire? It feeds on oxygen, and last time I checked oxygen isn't being weighed down. Fire isn't effected by gravity, just the things it burns on.

For fire to be affected by gravity, that means it has to have some sort of mass.


Yeah, i'll live with a draw.

EVERYTHING HAS MASS!


Everything is affected by gravity. Some things mass are so small that it appears gravity has no affect, but that is not the case.


I'm sorry, but you have no idea what mass is.

[Elyon]

Does light have mass? No seriously, does light have mass?

[Dark Evangel]

Aren't all matter can be affected by the gravity?

[Elyon]

I'm guessing that meant can't all matter be affected by gravity...

Maybe matter is what I meant to say. Most likely. I'll do this tomorrow, i'm going to sleep.

[Giovanni Rild]

mass

Mass (symbolized m) is a dimensionless quantity representing the amount of matter in a particle or object. The standard unit of mass in the International System (SI) is the kilogram (kg).

Mass is measured by determining the extent to which a particle or object resists a change in its direction or speed when a force is applied. Isaac Newton stated: A stationary mass remains stationary, and a mass in motion at a constant speed and in a constant direction maintains that state of motion, unless acted on by an outside force. For a given applied force, large masses are accelerated to a small extent, and small masses are accelerated to a large extent. The following formula applies:

F = ma

where F is the applied force in newtons, m is the mass of the object or particle in kilograms, and a is the resulting acceleration in meters per second squared. The mass of an object can be calculated if the force and the acceleration are known.

Mass is not the same thing as weight. Weight has meaning only when an object having a specific mass is placed in an acceleration field, such as the gravitational field of the earth. At the earth's surface, a kilogram mass weighs about 2.2 pounds, for example. But on Mars, the same kilogram mass would weigh only about 0.8 pounds, and on Jupiter it would weigh roughly 5.5 pounds.

When expressing large or small masses, prefix multipliers are used. The table below shows the most common alternative mass units and their relationship to the kilogram.


Here ya go.

[Havoc]

Light is actually crazy when it comes to mass. The photons that make up light have no mass, so a beam of light would have no mass.


But that is really irrelevant.

[Giovanni Rild]

The Point is the Logias lose within 1 minute. Seastone Dagger anyone?

[Dark Evangel]

What if the seastone dagger is not included in the fight? I'm pretty sure Mags can beat them without the seastone dagger. Best would be a tie.

[Giovanni Rild]

What if the seastone dagger is not included in the fight? I'm pretty sure Mags can beat them without the seastone dagger. Best would be a tie.

Smoker is know to keep it on him. And without it, Eric can force them into water anyway.

[Dellishell]

Smoker is know to keep it on him. And without it, Eric can force them into water anyway.So rild, your a toph fan too?

[Havoc]

The character Toph was based off of Rild :omg

[Giovanni Rild]

So rild, your a toph fan too?

Yeah, what of it?

[Envy]

Evilmoogle raped every OP supporter. Why isn't this thread dead yet

[Dellishell]

Yeah, what of it?I'm just saying what happened to the privious Avatar you once had? And why the sudden intrest on Toph?

Plus so am I.

[Green Lantern]

Are we done here? Should this be locked?

Yay or nay?

[Havoc]

yay .

[mystictrunks]

Yay .

[Green Lantern]

Good enough for me.

Locking.