End of KH2 Sora vs Kharn the Betrayer

[Crimson Dragoon]

Inspired by the recent 40k threads. Who comes out on top?

[Anuer]

I might've, just might've given this to Sora if he had Riku with him, if only to play the devil's advocate. However, Kharn is decked in power armor (Which can be hit by missles and stay intact with ease), has a plasma pistol (Which could simply kill Sora in one hit) and an axe that would easy chop to boy to peices if he got close.

Kharn is very much insane, both in battle and out. He acts like a beserker who clad in power armor, no less. Simply against Sora, the boy hardly stands a chance.

[Enclave]

I might've, just might've given this to Sora if he had Riku with him, if only to play the devil's advocate. However, Kharn is decked in power armor (Which can be hit by missles and stay intact with ease), has a plasma pistol (Which could simply kill Sora in one hit) and an axe that would easy chop to boy to peices if he got close.

Kharn is very much insane, both in battle and out. He acts like a beserker who clad in power armor, no less. Simply against Sora, the boy hardly stands a chance.

You haven't actually played Kingdom Hearts 2 have you?

[Anuer]

You haven't actually played Kingdom Hearts 2 have you?

You think I'm underestimating Sora or overestimating him?

[Enclave]

Horribly under-estimating him.

[SuperSaiyan4]

well, i do admit that sora is uber strong, but i think all the reaction commands (such as sora teleporting to all over the place reflecting xigbar's bullets) made some exaggerations on sora's abilities.

[Enclave]

well, i do admit that sora is uber strong, but i think all the reaction commands (such as sora teleporting to all over the place reflecting xigbar's bullets) made some exaggerations on sora's abilities.

Those are like mini-cut scenes that show what Sora is capable of doing. You may not like it but that is what Sora can do.

[Anuer]

I wouldn't say that. The strongest card in his arsenal is Session, which he needs Riku to pull off anyway. His spells wouldn’t really crack through power armor, and I’m not sure if we’re allowing him to drive, as he has no allies at the moment.

Space Marines are genetically engineered supermen who stand several feet higher than tallest man today, are armed with the equivalent of a rocket launching gun, have gone through discipline which has made fear a non-issue, and are clad in power armor which can shrug off lasers as if they were nothing.

Now take one of those and infuse him with chaotic evil. He is the veteran of countless battles in a career that has spanned millennia. His plasma pistol can melt metal as if it were butter. His axe can tear through flesh as though it were paper. Sora is strong, yes, but has doesn’t have the constitution to hold up to much of that. Nor can he Keyblade pull off the quick kill he’d need to finish off Kharn without being literally chopped to ribbons.

Standing alongside the other warriors in 40k, he’s one of the finest, and one of the most bloodthirsty. Sora might be the Keyblade master, and does have some good tricks in his arsenal, but I doubt he could handle the technology of Kharn, let alone the man’s skills.

[Enclave]

He is facing somebody who has kicked the ass of Gods and Titans. Somebody who has flat out killed an immortal Genie in 1 on 1 combat. A person who can cut through skyscrapers like a hot knife through butter. A person who ran head on into 1,000 heartless and after killing them all wasn't even out of breath.

Seriously, do not underestimate Sora. He is just a monster in KH2.

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Oh and just so you know, from a storyline perspective he doesn't need Donald and Goofy to drive. The very first time he drives into Valor form if you recall Goofy is still standing there and actually comments on the colour of Sora's clothes. Of course he won't need to drive to win this.

[SuperSaiyan4]

He is facing somebody who has kicked the ass of Gods and Titans. Somebody who has flat out killed an immortal Genie in 1 on 1 combat. A person who can cut through skyscrapers like a hot knife through butter. A person who ran head on into 1,000 heartless and after killing them all wasn't even out of breath.

Seriously, do not underestimate Sora. He is just a monster in KH2.

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Oh and just so you know, from a storyline perspective he doesn't need Donald and Goofy to drive. The very first time he drives into Valor form if you recall Goofy is still standing there and actually comments on the colour of Sora's clothes. Of course he won't need to drive to win this.

i don't mean to be rude or anything, but you seem to be very biased...
sora is a character/protagonist based on a game... his abilities are bound to be exaggerated to make the player feel more excited about the game. why would kingdom hearts be a fun game unless it had tough bosses and challenges.

[Enclave]

Le Sigh

In the game these are things he has done which means that these are his abilities, things he can do. It means they are not exaggerated because he actually did them and thus can do it.

I'm not being biased here, I'm being a realist. You are the one being biased claiming things he has done don't count because they are exaggerations even though he actually did them in game. Also the game is not hard, it's quite easy actually. Doesn't change the fact that Sora is incredibly powerful in KH2.

[Random Nobody]

The only thing that doesn't count when using games in the OBD is game mechanics. I can't say, for example, that Sora one hits Kharn because he has an attack stat of 200 or something like that. Things they do, however, count.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Le Sigh

In the game these are things he has done which means that these are his abilities, things he can do. It means they are not exaggerated because he actually did them and thus can do it.

I'm not being biased here, I'm being a realist. You are the one being biased claiming things he has done don't count because they are exaggerations even though he actually did them in game. Also the game is not hard, it's quite easy actually. Doesn't change the fact that Sora is incredibly powerful in KH2.

hmm, if sora was able to move at a speed that made him look as if he was teleporting from one place to another, and cut buildings down within a blink of an eye, why couldn't he do that to the organization members and finish them in one shot? IT'S A GAME, targeted at kids around the age 8 to 14 generally. to make the game more playable for the younger generation, the creators just gave sora certain, and also cool-looking, reaction commands....

im not being biased here. i don't even know who Khan is, so i'm not really siding with that guy. i'm just trying to make a point that, even though sora is shown doing all that stuff, those reaction commands seem to be exaggerated with moves that a normal kid who lived in the islands all his life wouldn't be able to do under normal circumstances.

and watch the secret movie for kingdom hearts 3 in the kingdom hearts 2 final mix secret trailer. those chasers are suppose to be like the original wielders of the keyblade and sora is a teenager, who played wood-sword-fights with riku as he grew up. the chasers seem really really inferior to what you described sora was capable of doing. if sora comes back in teh third game, don't you think sora would be a bit overkill :P

[Enclave]

hmm, if sora was able to move at a speed that made him look as if he was teleporting from one place to another, and cut buildings down within a blink of an eye, why couldn't he do that to the organization members and finish them in one shot? IT'S A GAME, targeted at kids around the age 8 to 14 generally. to make the game more playable for the younger generation, the creators just gave sora certain, and also cool-looking, reaction commands....

im not being biased here. i don't even know who Khan is, so i'm not really siding with that guy. i'm just trying to make a point that, even though sora is shown doing all that stuff, those reaction commands seem to be exaggerated with moves that a normal kid who lived in the islands all his life wouldn't be able to do under normal circumstances.

and watch the secret movie for kingdom hearts 3 in the kingdom hearts 2 final mix secret trailer. those chasers are suppose to be like the original wielders of the keyblade and sora is a teenager, who played wood-sword-fights with riku as he grew up. the chasers seem really really inferior to what you described sora was capable of doing. if sora comes back in teh third game, don't you think sora would be a bit overkill :P

The reason Sora doesn't kill Org members in 1 hit is rather obvious. They like him have super human durability. It's rather obvious really.

Reaction commands are not exaggerations they are what he is capable of doing. If you are going to take the position that he isn't capable of those things you are going to have to prove it. Good luck with that by the way.

Finally, you have no idea who the Chasers are so everything you said about them is totally you making wild guesses. We do have 1 fact about them though. In Kingdom Hearts Final Mix+ Sora fights the older Armoured guy and beats him. They cannot really be much more powerful than Sora if Sora beats the strongest of the 3 of them.

[The Internet]

Reaction commands are not exaggerations they are what he is capable of doing. If you are going to take the position that he isn't capable of those things you are going to have to prove it. Good luck with that by the way.

And you have no idea if he is capable of using those abilities outside of the reaction command cutscenes.

Prove that he can, you made the claim, back it up or shut up.

Further more, if you don't know anything about WH40K, leave the thread.

Kharn curbstomps.

[Enclave]

And you have no idea if he is capable of using those abilities outside of the reaction command cutscenes.

Prove that he can, you made the claim, back it up or shut up.

Further more, if you don't know anything about WH40K, leave the thread.

Kharn curbstomps.

My proof is the fact that he has done them and there was nothing suggesting that he couldn't at other points.

If you cannot come up with any reason to dispute what I have said then I kindly ask you to shut up instead.

[The Internet]

My proof is the fact that he has done them and there was nothing suggesting that he couldn't at other points.

If you cannot come up with any reason to dispute what I have said then I kindly ask you to shut up instead.

I prove it because he does not do them outside of cut scenes. Never. And I don't take actions done in cut scenes as canon.

[Enclave]

I prove it because he does not do them outside of cut scenes. Never. And I don't take actions done in cut scenes as canon.

Well then I hardly care about your opinion now do I? Cut scenes are what show's what characters are really capable of doing. It is the actual gameplay which is usually a bad indicator.

For instance, Dante from DMC. If you go by gameplay he is slightly above peak human with a few nifty abilities and able to morph into some low level demons. In cut scenes however he has insane regeneration, incredible speed and fighting prowess and is just on the whole a complete monster. The cut scene Dante by the way is the real Dante, the gameplay Dante is weakened to give the player challenge.

Of course not always are characters weakened in gameplay, sometimes they are strengthened. Take Final Fantasy VII Cloud. In cut scenes he is a fairly skilled swordsman, in gameplay though he is capable of becoming all but invincible thanks to specific ways of equipping Materia. Cut Scene Cloud is the real Cloud.

[The Internet]

Because the feats of video game characters are extremlly non consistant. That's why I take anything a game character does with a grain of salt. And I could care less what you think, you don't know WH40K, you're not worth argueing with. Kharn wins.

[Enclave]

Because the feats of video game characters are extremlly non consistant. That's why I take anything a game character does with a grain of salt. And I could care less what you think, you don't know WH40K, you're not worth argueing with. Kharn wins.

His cut scene abilities are consistant. It isn't like in 1 cut scene he is cutting sky scrapers in half and the next he is struggling with a similar feat.

Anyways, if you have that bias towards video game characters then why even bother speaking your opinion in a thread concerning one? You are clearly biased towards them and thus your opinion is totally worthless in that regard.

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Oh and if you are curious as to my reasoning for why Sora would win. It's quite simple really. Those in favour of Kharn winning instead of trying to point out why Kharn would win are trying to claim that Sora's cut scene abilities don't count. This tells me that Kharn doesn't have feats on the same level as Sora in cutscenes. Every other vs topic I go into people give reasons why the person they think should win would win. This one though they are not, very curious.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Well, Kharn did slaughter over 200 Khorne Berserkers by himself(all of them were attacking him at once and each Berserker was armored with something that can withstand Bolters, which basically have the power of a grenade, and were also armed with Bolters), plus has an axe empowered by daemonic energies, allowing it to shred futuristic tanks easily. Also, his armor protects him from magical attacks by 40k psykers.

[A]

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http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemarines/kharn/images/kharn-art-01.jpg

or

http://www.littleshopofcomics.com/files/kingdom_hearts_vol_3.jpg

Kharn the Betrayer can win wars by himself, what is Sora going to do, Omnislash him with his key?

[Wesley]

Next thing you know, Sora will be stomping the God Emperor of Man...

Having Square Enix supplying choregraphy to you is instant win. No bones about it.

[Arishem]

Huge, but awesome Kharn picture:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8610/warhammerwallpaperbyhalwh3.jpg

[Wesley]

Huge, but awesome Kharn picture:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8610/warhammerwallpaperbyhalwh3.jpg

Those huge muscles will phail in the face of little boy power!

[Arishem]

Sora will put an end to his unquenchable bloodlust with the soothing voice of Hikaru Utada. :P

[Anuer]

I'll admit I was wrong about the drives. It's been awhile since I played KH II. However, I'm still giving this one the Kharn.

Kharn is the veteran of countless battles, who hasn't even come close to death in several millennia. That alone gives him eons of experience in combat over Sora, which has to be factored in. Also remember that he's far more vicious in combat, which I think would give him a benefit over Sora.

The man's weapon is a power weapon in 40k, which means it allows no armor saves. That pretty much means that if Sora gets hit by it, he's wasted, if not only for the weapon's strength but for Kharn's. Don't factor out his pistol, either. That's also a killer.

As for Sora's feats? The 1000 Heartless Battle? He took down rank and file grunts with plenty of help from lasers, while Kharn took down 200 elite beserkers by himself, as Crimson Dragoon stated, all of which could probably do the 1000 man battle, or at least most of it.

Also, I don't really buy the fact that the reaction commands are what he can do at all times. If they were, he would have certainly teleported around while fighting Xenmas or thrown down Rising Suns at normal Heartless. In fact, the name 'reaction command' implies they are reactions, or something he doesn’t do on his own. But I'm really starting to digress here, my apologies.

In the end, Sora has some flashy skills, but the second he gets close to Kharn, he's a splattered mess.

[Cy]

Kharn can take hits the level sky-scrapers with essentially no damage. Also, slicing apart sky-scrapers just means Sora can cut through brick and his weapon has a special property that allows it to slice through objects larger then it appears it should be able to. He's still shown nothing that would be capable of slicing through the armor of Kharn. Also, Kharn can tear apart light tanks with his bare hands, and tank armor >>> brick. He is also arguably as fast as Sora (teleporting notwithstanding), but has more deadly weapons. He could probably fight over 10,000 heartless and stomp them easily.

I say Kharn stomps.

[Enclave]

As for Sora's feats? The 1000 Heartless Battle? He took down rank and file grunts with plenty of help from lasers

In the original concept for that battle there was supposed to be behemoths and Wyverns and a number of other rather high level Heartless, the reason there wasn't was simply because of the limitations of the PS2 itself.

Also skyscrapers are not made of brick. They are made of concrete and steel, considerably stronger than brick.

Anyways, how would Kharn stack up against a cosmic powered Genie? Because like I said, Sora killed one of those and he did it long before he reached his peak power in KH2. Sora also has defeated a God (Hades) and not to mention the most powerful being in his universe (Xemnas after absorbing the power of Kingdom Hearts).

I'm just having trouble believing that this Kharn guy has had feats that are that ridiculous.

[Crimson Dragoon]

In the original concept for that battle there was supposed to be behemoths and Wyverns and a number of other rather high level Heartless, the reason there wasn't was simply because of the limitations of the PS2 itself.

Also skyscrapers are not made of brick. They are made of concrete and steel, considerably stronger than brick.

Anyways, how would Kharn stack up against a cosmic powered Genie? Because like I said, Sora killed one of those and he did it long before he reached his peak power in KH2. Sora also has defeated a God (Hades) and not to mention the most powerful being in his universe (Xemnas after absorbing the power of Kingdom Hearts).

I'm just having trouble believing that this Kharn guy has had feats that are that ridiculous.

Kharn does have feats that are very ridiculous. The killing of 200 Berserkers by himself is one of them and slicing up futuristic tanks with his chainaxe is another. These tanks were made to withstand ground combat in a universe that basically has soldiers that have weapons with the power of a grenade launcher but with the ROF of a machine gun. Plus isn't Kharn empowered by Khorne the Blood God? BTW, 40k Chaos Gods regularly destroy or rearrange planets at their height. Kharn will have a lot of power to draw upon.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

[ZergKage]

Kharn can take hits the level sky-scrapers with essentially no damage. Also, slicing apart sky-scrapers just means Sora can cut through brick and his weapon has a special property that allows it to slice through objects larger then it appears it should be able to. He's still shown nothing that would be capable of slicing through the armor of Kharn. Also, Kharn can tear apart light tanks with his bare hands, and tank armor >>> brick. He is also arguably as fast as Sora (teleporting notwithstanding), but has more deadly weapons. He could probably fight over 10,000 heartless and stomp them easily.

I say Kharn stomps.

Just wanted to point out to you that Sora not only sliced through Skyscrapers but was hitting them at Xemnas' shields to break them apart.

[Anuer]

If a genie is immortal and it dies, it really wasn't immortal now was it?

As for Kharn, he is almost certainly empowered by Khorne, a blood god. Khorn is so powerful he isn't bound by the rules of the universe, and Kharn is Khorne's favorite.

And remember, Sora didn't take on Xenmas alone. He needed Riku's help. In fact, all of Sora's great victories were with his friends. Kharn fights alone, as where he charges his allies don't tend to walk away from alive.

As a poster has stated before, Kharn shrugs off blasts from grenade launchers shooting with the speed of a machine gun, and can tear a land raider apart with his axe. A land raider is a mobile battle fortress, which Sora's keyblade couldn't break down.

[ZergKage]

There is so much more that Sora can do besides using the Keyblade. If Kharn used his Axe Sora could reflect the damage back at him(which i seem to remember makes the attack stronger) as well as other magics like Gravity,Fire,Ice,Lighting.

I will say that i have absolutely no knowledge of the 40kverse but if the best feats he has is taking multiple grenades and tearing through a "futuristic" tank then he has to step his game up.

And Sora defeated a number of people solo in the first KH as well as some in KH2. 2 of which Being a Genie and Hades

[Wesley]

Yeah, Sora is so awesome with those really huge feet of his. When he says he's going to put his foot up your ass, you better take him seriously because that would really hurt.

[Goodfellow]

Sora got a nicer personality, so I'm prepared to cheer on him:nod

[Crimson Dragoon]

There is so much more that Sora can do besides using the Keyblade. If Kharn used his Axe Sora could reflect the damage back at him(which i seem to remember makes the attack stronger) as well as other magics like Gravity,Fire,Ice,Lighting.

I will say that i have absolutely no knowledge of the 40kverse but if the best feats he has is taking multiple grenades and tearing through a "futuristic" tank then he has to step his game up.

And Sora defeated a number of people solo in the first KH as well as some in KH2. 2 of which Being a Genie and Hades

If Sora tries to use Reflect on Kharn's chainaxe, I would think that Kharn could just overpower it, since he's empowered by a God that hates magic and Sora's other magical attacks would also get nullified as well. Kharn has this anti-psyker barrier which prevents mid-level 40k psykers from fucking with him. Keep in mind that these psykers tear through armies of superhuman soldiers regularly with their powers. Sora cannot beat Kharn in his base form. Final Form might make a difference.

[The Internet]

I'm still inclined to think that he would just grab Sora and tear his head off.

[ZergKage]

If Sora tries to use Reflect on Kharn's chainaxe, I would think that Kharn could just overpower it, since he's empowered by a God that hates magic and Sora's other magical attacks would also get nullified as well. Kharn has this anti-psyker barrier which prevents mid-level 40k psykers from fucking with him. Keep in mind that these psykers tear through armies of superhuman soldiers regularly with their powers. Sora cannot beat Kharn in his base form. Final Form might make a difference.

So because this god hates magic Kharn automatically can overpower something gods(Hades) and genies(Jafar) couldnt overpower themselves??? Hell, the Keyblade unlocked a door locked by Zeus himself. Being empowered by a god gets you no automatic win in the OB when you beat gods yourself.

Pretend your talking to someone that has never read a single sentence of 40K. Has this god ever nullified magical attacks on Kharn before or is that something your just wishing would happen??

Again, from what i was able to understand, Psykers are things that use Psychic abilities to fight not magic and strength/sword play. Sora has no psychic abilities so bringin up that Kharn has psychic defenses is irrelevant.

[Wesley]

Sora has the magic of Disney and the choregraphy of Square Enix! He Cannot LOSE!

[Enclave]

If Sora tries to use Reflect on Kharn's chainaxe, I would think that Kharn could just overpower it, since he's empowered by a God that hates magic and Sora's other magical attacks would also get nullified as well. Kharn has this anti-psyker barrier which prevents mid-level 40k psykers from fucking with him. Keep in mind that these psykers tear through armies of superhuman soldiers regularly with their powers. Sora cannot beat Kharn in his base form. Final Form might make a difference.

Reflect works on Hades, what makes you think that if Hades cannot overpower the reflect spell that Kharn's god can? Hatred of something doesn't grant you power over the thing you hate.

Also Sora has fought many people solo. He defeated Roxas solo, after merging with Roxas and finally becoming whole he defeated non-Kingdom Hearts empowered Xemnas and he did that rather easily.

Hell in Chain of Memories he spent almost the entire time solo because his friends were transformed into cards when not in the hallways between worlds.

Seriously people, you are comparing somebody who has regularly kicked the ass of Gods and those stronger than Gods. Now I am not going to outright say that Kharn loses because I don't know enough about him (at least people are finally starting to give feats of Kharn's instead of trying to say that Sora's feats don't count) but seriously people, do NOT under-estimate Sora. Square made him rather sickeningly powerful.

[Orion]

Reflect works on Hades, what makes you think that if Hades cannot overpower the reflect spell that Kharn's god can? Hatred of something doesn't grant you power over the thing you hate.

Also Sora has fought many people solo. He defeated Roxas solo, after merging with Roxas and finally becoming whole he defeated non-Kingdom Hearts empowered Xemnas and he did that rather easily.

Hell in Chain of Memories he spent almost the entire time solo because his friends were transformed into cards when not in the hallways between worlds.

Seriously people, you are comparing somebody who has regularly kicked the ass of Gods and those stronger than Gods. Now I am not going to outright say that Kharn loses because I don't know enough about him (at least people are finally starting to give feats of Kharn's instead of trying to say that Sora's feats don't count) but seriously people, do NOT under-estimate Sora. Square made him rather sickeningly powerful.

Because kingdom heart's gods are pathetic and warhammer's are actual gods.

[Wesley]

Only the movies are canon!

[Enclave]

Because kingdom heart's gods are pathetic and warhammer's are actual gods.

Purely opinion. How about you base that on some facts?

[Wesley]

Purely opinion. How about you base that on some facts?

The fact that reflect works on Hades is a pretty good indication that they, in fact, do suck. <.<

[Enclave]

Ah, so your proof is fanboyism? Good, that means I can ignore you easily enough.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Purely opinion. How about you base that on some facts?

Warhammer 40k Gods can casually rearrange entire planets and their top daemon minions can have an effect lightyears away. An example is the daemon Ghargantuloth, whose mere prescence caused insanity to populations lightyears away from its location.

[The Internet]

Did this insolent little cunt insult Khorne by comparing the likes of a true god to a shitty disney peace of shit mythical god (who, oh, by the way, even in the true myths, would be beaten by any of Khorne's lower daemons?)

[Wesley]

Ah, so your proof is fanboyism? Good, that means I can ignore you easily enough.

It's more like anti-Kingdom Heartsism then anything. >.> I'm neg repping you for ignoring me though. :cry

[ZergKage]

So is this over?? Are you guys gonna bring any sort of fact to debate with or continue to just throw out insults.

[Wesley]

So is this over?? Are you guys gonna bring any sort of fact to debate with or continue to just throw out insults.

Time to unpimp the thread. *closes* Oh snap!

[The Internet]

So is this over?? Are you guys gonna bring any sort of fact to debate with or continue to just throw out insults.

Maybe you should read the thread, seems you missed the several mentions of what Kharn did.

[Wesley]

It doesn't really matter that Kharn can tear through Khorne Beserkers and mainline battle tanks. Sora is the Alpha and the Omega in the Kingdom Hearts Storyline. Mulan said he was a master swordsman even! MULAN PEOPLE! Who's more credible then Mulan?

No one, that's who!

[The Internet]

I'm just laughing to my self visualizing this fight.

[ZergKage]

Maybe you should read the thread, seems you missed the several mentions of what Kharn did.

I've gone through this thread. So far Kharn does not sound impressive to me. There has only been one mention of his speed to which someone just said he is as fast as Sora without any proof. I feel i shouldnt have to post any of Sora speeds feats, if you want to see them youtube it. If Sora uses a drive he would be faster than his base form which in my opinion Kharn would not be able to keep up with.

I've seen people say that Kharn can rip apart futuristic tanks(with his hands or Axe) and that he has a plasma gun that can melt metal. I've heard that he has a mid level Psyker shield that blocks their psych abilities. Sora can cut through skyscrapers with the slightest of ease as well as hitting skyscrapers across long distances to destory shielding. Sora controls a load of different magics(as well as summons) that could be used to kill Kharn.

I've seen people say that Kharn can take (1 says missiles, 1 says grenade) type attacks due to having some sort of power armor but that does not mean he is invincible. I would say hitting a skyscraper like barry bonds hits a baseball is greater than getting hit by nades. Or being hit by different types of magic that hurts genies and gods.

[Wesley]

And that's the power of the keyblade! *Stupid Grin*

[Crimson Dragoon]

I've gone through this thread. So far Kharn does not sound impressive to me. There has only been one mention of his speed to which someone just said he is as fast as Sora without any proof. I feel i shouldnt have to post any of Sora speeds feats, if you want to see them youtube it. If Sora uses a drive he would be faster than his base form which in my opinion Kharn would not be able to keep up with.

I've seen people say that Kharn can rip apart futuristic tanks(with his hands or Axe) and that he has a plasma gun that can melt metal. I've heard that he has a mid level Psyker shield that blocks their psych abilities. Sora can cut through skyscrapers with the slightest of ease as well as hitting skyscrapers across long distances to destory shielding. Sora controls a load of different magics(as well as summons) that could be used to kill Kharn.

I've seen people say that Kharn can take (1 says missiles, 1 says grenade) type attacks due to having some sort of power armor but that does not mean he is invincible. I would say hitting a skyscraper like barry bonds hits a baseball is greater than getting hit by nades. Or being hit by different types of magic that hurts genies and gods.

Oh yeah, slicing small buildings that weren't built for combat and can't fire back is sooo much more impressive than taking apart 40k battle tanks. And no, Sora's magic cannot be used to kill Kharn since he has that shield thing I mentioned(you know, the one that blocks army-killing Alpha-class psyker attacks). His summons don't have too much punch either. Sora's best bet is to go Final Form and use his speed to find some sort of weakness in Kharn's armor.

[ZergKage]

Oh yeah, slicing small buildings that weren't built for combat and can't fire back is sooo much more impressive than taking apart 40k battle tanks. And no, Sora's magic cannot be used to kill Kharn since he has that shield thing I mentioned(you know, the one that blocks army-killing Alpha-class psyker attacks). His summons don't have too much punch either. Sora's best bet is to go Final Form and use his speed to find some sort of weakness in Kharn's armor.

In my opinion you werent using the 40k battle tanks feat as combat prowess, only as a stregth feat. So then dont rebuttal with, "well the building cant fight back." As i said to you Sora not only sliced through those but was hitting them across long distances to destory Xemnas' shieldings. To me that is more impressive than destorying a battle tank. If you want combat prowess Sora has that too.


And no, this is what you said.

If Sora tries to use Reflect on Kharn's chainaxe, I would think that Kharn could just overpower it, since he's empowered by a God that hates magic and Sora's other magical attacks would also get nullified as well.

This implies that Khorne(whom is not in this fight) hates magic and therefore is going to negate everything Sora throws at Kharn. So you're saying its Khorne and Kharn vs Sora???

and...

Kharn has this anti-psyker barrier which prevents mid-level 40k psykers from fucking with him. Keep in mind that these psykers tear through armies of superhuman soldiers regularly with their powers.

"anti-psyker barrier" implies that it only works against psykers. And from what i've read about psykers they use psychic abilities which Sora has zero of so its irrelevant.

None of what you said there says Kharn has a barrier against magic. Let alone Sora summoning Genie. Let me guess....Genie has no punch???

[Crimson Dragoon]

In these debates, we should assume psychic abilities=magic in order to avoid further confusion. Some aspects of both universes have to be put together in versus.

I guess I didn't emphasize built for combat enough. The materials of said buildings most likely don't match up to 40k tank material.

[Arishem]

40K psykers use mind powers and sorcery. In fact, the two go hand in hand in that universe. You're also not far off when you asked if it's Kharn and Khorne versus Sora. Champions of Chaos have their patron gods' power funneled into them. A named champion has even great access to their deities energy.

[wheres the beef?]

sora would own him nuff said.

[The Internet]

If by tha, you mean charge it, get grabbed, and Kharn popping off his head and drinking his guts and blood, than sure.

[Gaelek_13]

Kharn would probably lose this fight, but even if he died Khorne would just revive him again later. This has happened once or twice in the past on the only occassions where Kharn has actually been killed.

[atom]

Sora bends over.

[ZergKage]

In these debates, we should assume psychic abilities=magic in order to avoid further confusion. Some aspects of both universes have to be put together in versus.

I guess I didn't emphasize built for combat enough. The materials of said buildings most likely don't match up to 40k tank material.


And i've looked at a majority of 40K tanks.(Wiki) They just look like your normal tanks. Do tanks have any durability feats that make you think Sora couldnt destory one??


40K psykers use mind powers and sorcery. In fact, the two go hand in hand in that universe. You're also not far off when you asked if it's Kharn and Khorne versus Sora. Champions of Chaos have their patron gods' power funneled into them. A named champion has even great access to their deities energy.

Well i'm going to ask 3 different questions, one of which hasnt been answered.

1. Is the shield Kharn has only designed to shield him against Psykers(anything Psykers do) and not any other mage type class.

2. And am i right in assuming that just like High Templars(Starcraft) that even tho Psykers can use Fire and lightning attacks(i didnt see any mention of ice) that its still a psychic attack.

3. Like i said in #2 there was never a mention of ice so i'm assuming ice would still be a go right.

And i can understand someone having the power of someone else but i also understand its a game. During the game i'm guessing Khorn cant keep gaining new abilities and getting stronger by Kharnes interactions. I mean he has died in the past. If i'm wrong left me know because like i said Sora has beaten gods so having a little bit of a gods power does not equal a win.

[konflikti]

Well i'm going to ask 3 different questions, one of which hasnt been answered.

1. Is the shield Kharn has only designed to shield him against Psykers(anything Psykers do) and not any other mage type class.

2. And am i right in assuming that just like High Templars(Starcraft) that even tho Psykers can use Fire and lightning attacks(i didnt see any mention of ice) that its still a psychic attack.

3. Like i said in #2 there was never a mention of ice so i'm assuming ice would still be a go right.

And I assume that because Sora has never blocked Kharn's axe before(Kharn was never mentioned in KH), it will go straight trough it and maim Sora. I like this kind of logic.

[Enclave]

And I assume that because Sora has never blocked Kharn's axe before(Kharn was never mentioned in KH), it will go straight trough it and maim Sora. I like this kind of logic.

Sora has deflected hell fire (Hades throws this all the time), dragon fire (Malificent in KH1), lasers generated by the most powerful being in the universe and any number of other physical/magical attack with the Keyblade. The Keyblade has never once been damaged by anything that we have yet seen (in KH2 Final Mix+ the Keyblade that was damaged didn't have a Keychain and thus we cannot be certain it is a true Keyblade so it is best not to base anything on that until we play KH3) and has never been incapable of blocking an incoming attack including the laser swords wielded by Xemnas (the most powerful being in the universe).

[ZergKage]

And I assume that because Sora has never blocked Kharn's axe before(Kharn was never mentioned in KH), it will go straight trough it and maim Sora. I like this kind of logic.

I never mentioned Sora blocking with the Keyblade. Sora has a magical ability called Reflect that has reflected(and i believe it multiplies) anything throwin at him in KH2. So what i was sayis that even if Khorn was able to hit Sora( which is very unlikely) that he would only reflect that damage back at Khorn. Let me know if you have any more questions.

[Wesley]

I like how 40k doesn't make anything absolute. Makes you feel like even you could make a contribution, no matter how small.

[Darklyre]

I like how 40k doesn't make anything absolute. Makes you feel like even you could make a contribution, no matter how small.

How else would you get any recruits for the Imperial Guard?

[Wesley]

How else would you get any recruits for the Imperial Guard?

Exactly. Even The Emperor would lose if he faced a strong enough army. He wasn't The God Emperor of Himself you know. He was the pinnalce of what a man could become and ultimately He led humanity. He didn't fight our battles, he didn't single handiedly defeat our enemies.

He instilled in us the will and united us to stand on our own.

Kharn's something of the same way. Very powerful in his own right, but he can be killed in undignified ways, like being gunned down by hundreds of Lasguns held by fresh recruits. on the otherhand, at the head of an army he's practically unstoppable.

No, not in the literal sense like the Juggernaut. You know a character's usefulness has ended when his name becomes literally synmoyous with a word.

[konflikti]

I never mentioned Sora blocking with the Keyblade. Sora has a magical ability called Reflect that has reflected(and i believe it multiplies) anything throwin at him in KH2. So what i was sayis that even if Khorn was able to hit Sora( which is very unlikely) that he would only reflect that damage back at Khorn. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Way to miss the whole point of the reply. It wasn't about whether Sora can block or not, it was about the stupid idea of "because it wasn't mentioned it wouldn't work, it works".

[ZergKage]

Way to miss the whole point of the reply. It wasn't about whether Sora can block or not, it was about the stupid idea of "because it wasn't mentioned it wouldn't work, it works".

:huh

I'm asking 3 questions about Khorn and Psykers. Asking because i dont know. If Khorn has an anti-Psyker shield that blocks anything Psykers do and Psykers dont have Ice magic, isnt it a fair question??? You know because Sora has Ice magic and he could use that against Khorn. So when i say "i never saw ice magic mentioned" its because i looked at a few things and saw that it wasnt mention but i'd still like to ask people that know more about than i do.

[Wesley]

Does Kharn have a shield to protect him from Little Boy Power?

...I thought not. :nod

[Guy Gardner]

Kharn, perhaps not by a curbstomp, but ultimately in the end.

First off, magic doesn't work. Does Hades have control over magic? No? Thought so. Greek Gods have no control over magic, so why would Hades? Plus, Disney Hades doesn't have an iota of the power that Khorne wields.

Khorne does have some control over magic, if only in a nullifying way. His brother-God is, well, the God of Sorcery and Change, so I'd think him, being the most outright powerful, could swing his stuff to be immune to one of his relatives.

Heck, I don't know why I'm even justifying why he can when we know he does: Collars of Khorne, along with a variety of other things from the Blood God, have always been completely immune to magic and magical effects. How he has it, how he does it may be beyond us. Maybe it's his utter hatred of magic infused with his pure force of will that makes these things utterly immune. Maybe it's the fact that he IS a part of the Warp, from which all magic comes from, and that being made from it he can protect his followers from it. I don't know. But any source of canon will tell you this: Khorne followers with the Collar of Khorne and a multitude of other things are NOT effected in the SLIGHTEST by magic.

So magic is out. Mages and Psykers are just different names for basically the same thing, as they both draw from the same power source for the same effects.

Now on Kharn's feats: Kharn is perhaps the greatest combat God outside of the Primarches. His weapon literally cuts through anything. It's not just him cutting through a tank; it's him cutting through a tank company. It's not him taking on 200 soldiers; It's taking on 200 thousand-year-old soldiers wearing armor that deflects missiles, anti-tank gun shells, and artillery barrages with a decent amount of consistency, who are totally dedicated to hand-to-hand combat, and wield chainsaw axes that can cut men in half. And just to say, he hasn't found anything that was really challenging in his 10,000 years of life.