Ace vs. Iceman

[Dark Evangel]

Fire vs. Ice

[Havoc]

Well, Iceman can't lose this fight. So at worst it would be a tie.

How is Ace fire based powers compared to The Human Torches?

[Kuya]

Ace is no Human Torch. Johnny could take Bobby, but no way is Ace gonna take Iceman.

[Orion]

Ace is no Human Torch. Johnny could take Bobby, but no way is Ace gonna take Iceman.

And how is iceman going to take ace?freeze him?.

[Enclave]

Ace is no Human Torch. Johnny could take Bobby, but no way is Ace gonna take Iceman.

Yea.....sorry no. Bobby should be fully capable of "flame off"ing Johnny.

Johnny is a good fire controller but hardly the best. Remember, Johnny is still Johnny beneath those flames, a normal human. Bobby is ice through and through.

[Nice Gai]

Icemans powers have been unleashed and evolved so much in Xmen. I believe at one time he was powerful he couldnt change back to his human self. Ace may be able to pull off a win but I doubt it. Iceman can reach near below Absolute Zero temperatures. I look at it as first hit type situation wins.

[Enclave]

Icemans powers have been unleashed and evolved so much in Xmen. I believe at one time he was powerful he couldnt change back to his human self. Ace may be able to pull off a win but I doubt it. Iceman can reach near below Absolute Zero temperatures. I look at it as first hit type situation wins.

Actually his inability to revert to his fleshy human form was not because of how powerful he was but because of a mental block. He is still that powerful just he overcame that specific mental problem of his (he has plenty more though!). Also Iceman cannot reach near Absolute Zero, he can actually reach Absolute Zero (you cannot go below that).

[martryn]

he can actually reach Absolute Zero

Ha ha, I got a laugh out of that.

[Enclave]

Umm, why? I don't see how it is funny.

[martryn]

Umm, why? I don't see how it is funny.

You can't reach absolute zero, dork. It's impossible.

[Spy_Smasher]

^ In the Marvel U it may be. I'm not sure if he's ever actually done it (it may have just been hype) but its definitely been claimed he could do it.

[Enclave]

You can't reach absolute zero, dork. It's impossible.

It's called comics moron, they don't exactly obey the laws of physics.

[martryn]

It's called comics moron, they don't exactly obey the laws of physics.

They do to a point. Anyway, it's impossible for Iceman to reach absolute zero. Maybe really, really close, but not absolute zero.

[Enclave]

They do to a point. Anyway, it's impossible for Iceman to reach absolute zero. Maybe really, really close, but not absolute zero.

He has been said to reach absolute zero and thus has reached absolute zero. Fiction doesn't need to follow real life laws of physics sorry to tell you. It can break them whenever it feels like it.

I don't particularly care at this point if you don't believe me, I'm just going to write off your posting and not bother responding to it because if you cannot understand the concept of fiction then you are not worth the effort.

[ezxx]

It's impossible for people to have powers as well. Reaching absolute zero isn't really that unbelievable in a comic or manga.

[A]

Absolute Zero = a temprature where which where the particles of an atom (electrons, neutrons and protons) are no longer in motion.
This is at 0 Kelvin or -273,16 Celcius, and yes you can go bellow that.

[Spy_Smasher]

This is a retarded conversation. Fictional universes are not required to follow the physical laws of our universe. We assume that they do until they are shown to be different. It's that simple.

The truth is that many of our real-world scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse and that the other universes (called "branes") have wildly different physics than ours does. How's that for mind-blowing?

[Nice Gai]

Manga can care less about physics compared t at least comics bring in the physics aspect after characters powers are introduced. FMA is all physics though except when it comes to the philosopher stone.

My bad about my last post about Absolute Zero I didnt mean to cause a ruckus up in here. I just remember he was carrying someon and they were like you are almost at absolute Zero. Was there a time he actually hit it? Was it Emma Frost that put that mental block on him? Damn its been awhile I need to reread and catch back up. Marvel Universe scares me because of so many dimensions and stuff its hard to see what a character is really capable of.

[Enclave]

Manga can care less about physics compared t at least comics bring in the physics aspect after characters powers are introduced. FMA is all physics though except when it comes to the philosopher stone.

My bad about my last post about Absolute Zero I didnt mean to cause a ruckus up in here. I just remember he was carrying someon and they were like you are almost at absolute Zero. Was there a time he actually hit it? Was it Emma Frost that put that mental block on him? Damn its been awhile I need to reread and catch back up. Marvel Universe scares me because of so many dimensions and stuff its hard to see what a character is really capable of.

I'm certain he has reached absolute zero before. The incident I am thinking of I believe he had some help reaching it but he did do it.

[hachiroku7143]

Absolute Zero = a temprature where which where the particles of an atom (electrons, neutrons and protons) are no longer in motion.
This is at 0 Kelvin or -273,16 Celcius, and yes you can go bellow that.

No, you can not go below absolute zero. Since temperature is the MEASURE of the MOVEMENT of particles, and at absolute zero every single particle in the whole universe would stop, this is the lowest temperature possible.

[Sasori]

^ Yea lol

Unless he means something else.

[Havoc]

Icemans powers have been unleashed and evolved so much in Xmen. I believe at one time he was powerful he couldnt change back to his human self. Ace may be able to pull off a win but I doubt it. Iceman can reach near below Absolute Zero temperatures. I look at it as first hit type situation wins.

What are you talking about? Exactly how would Ace win? How would this be a first hit situation when Iceman can reform from anything Ace does?


Please answer these questions for me.

[Orion]

What are you talking about? Exactly how would Ace win? How would this be a first hit situation when Iceman can reform from anything Ace does?


Please answer these questions for me.

Please answer my question from earlier,how is iceman pulling a win?ace is fire incarnate,what the hell is iceman going to do freeze him?

[Havoc]

Please answer my question from earlier,how is iceman pulling a win?ace is fire incarnate,what the hell is iceman going to do freeze him?

OK, it would first be nice to know who in this thread even said he would win...


Oh that's right, no one did.

[Orion]

Your comment about iceman simply reforming from everything ace does seem's to imply that ace would loose.

[~Shin~]

You can't reach absolute zero, dork. It's impossible.

It's also impossible for people to move galaxies from one location to another but it's possible in comics.

[Havoc]

Your comment about iceman simply reforming from everything ace does seem's to imply that ace would loose.

No, it would imply that Ace has no means of beating Iceman.

When did I ever say Iceman would win? Please learn to read.

[Envy]

lol.. Absolute Zero means just that. You can't get lower than absolute zero and no, he can't go to absolute zero or else he dies pretty much. Everything stops at absolute zero guys

[martryn]

and at absolute zero every single particle in the whole universe would stop

That's not true either. There is still movement, it's just movement that requires the absolute lowest energy.

It's also impossible for people to move galaxies from one location to another but it's possible in comics.

Yes, though their powers break the laws of physics, their powers are also limited by the laws of physics. I mean, take the Flash. He moves faster than the speed of light. How? Not through physics, but because they introduced the Speed Force. It's the same concept.

[Kuya]

Yea.....sorry no. Bobby should be fully capable of "flame off"ing Johnny.

Johnny is a good fire controller but hardly the best. Remember, Johnny is still Johnny beneath those flames, a normal human. Bobby is ice through and through.

Johnny gets rid of the moisture in the air. And stays Nova.

[Nahrootoe]

That's not true either. There is still movement, it's just movement that requires the absolute lowest energy.

Exactly. Quantum mechanics tells us that absolute zero is zero-point energy. There's still theoretically energy there, there is just zero heat emitted.

Yes, though their powers break the laws of physics, their powers are also limited by the laws of physics. I mean, take the Flash. He moves faster than the speed of light. How? Not through physics, but because they introduced the Speed Force. It's the same concept.

Precisely. People need to stop with the "logic/physics/insert law of nature here" doesn't apply. It does apply. However, each author chooses to render a separate internal logic within their creation. In fact, if such a comic were to exist in which all rules of logic and physics were simply disregarded, you wouldn't be able to understand it. Guaranteed.

[A]

No, you can not go below absolute zero. Since temperature is the MEASURE of the MOVEMENT of particles, and at absolute zero every single particle in the whole universe would stop, this is the lowest temperature possible.
What the hell are you jabbering about, absolute zero is not some kind of fictional "infinite negative" temprature.
Absolute zero is when no particles are in movement, therefore we have the scale Kelvin, it's based on the Absolute zero temprature, because when something raches -273,16 celcius or 0 kelving the particles are no longer in motion, the particle has no termo-energy. heat spread, why? - Because heat is energy. A particle is given a amount of heat, if you remove all termo energy from a particle it will have the temprature 0 kelvin or -273,16 celcius.

Would stop all motion in the universe ... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[Spy_Smasher]

Then we all agree that within the Marvel U, it's possible to lower an object's temperature to absolute zero? Well, that's something, I guess.

[A]

You can go lower than absolute zero here as well.
In outer space (vacuum) it's still very very cold, yet it has no particles, thus it has a temprature, yet not because there are no particles there.
But if you put an object there it will fast reach the same temprature.

So scientists have been able to manipulate tempratures bellow zero Kelvin, but when they add particles to that space they will only reach -273,16 celcius, because they have no more termo energy to release.

[Gunners]

I give this match to Ace. As Iceman is now he will probably die after he has to reform himself a few times.

[masterriku]

Ace because he can create infinite amounts of fire and is in a sense fire itself
but that just fanboy in reality they would fight till the end of time because of the nature of there powers.

[Enclave]

Johnny gets rid of the moisture in the air. And stays Nova.

Iceman doesn't need moisture to use his powers. At one time it was thought his powers revolved around ice and moisture however more recently I believe it was Emma Frost who realised that his powers are in actuality a form of energy manipulation. While he does have rather effective hydrokinesis it is thanks to his energy manipulation powers. Besides, Johnny cannot affect the moisture within his own body while Bobby most certainly can.

[Taleran]

Iceman in epic curbstomp


his power isn't even emenating cold, its stealing heat


gg Ace.

Iceman is able to lower his body temperature without causing harm to himself, reaching negative 105°F within a few tenths of a second. He is able to freeze any moisture in the air around him into unusually hard ice to form ice-slides and various projectiles and shields. He can travel rapidly along these ice-slides or ice-bridges by causing ice to form rapidly beneath and behind his feet, pushing him along the slick surface. He is also able to summon moisture from the air and create a flood. Iceman is immune to sub-zero temperatures and has thermal vision: the ability to detect objects visually by how much heat the objects generate. According to the laws of thermodynamics, cold is defined as the absence of heat. Therefore, Iceman does not actually emanate cold, but rather absorbs and dispels heat. Since heat is a form of energy, Iceman's power can be defined as a psionic ability to manipulate thermal energy.

[A]

Full potential Iceman could with thoughts instantly freeze anyone causing them to die.
In KMF Iceman repect thread there are also scans which says that he could with his power cuase a 2nd ice-age and kill every human on the planet.

[Comic Book Guy]

Full potential Iceman could with thoughts instantly freeze anyone causing them to die.

David Haller aka Legion.

[A]

Yes, but in a area which there are no particles, in other words vacuum, you can manipulate a energy absorbing field, which will cool down matter putten into the area to -273,16 C.
When the matter have released the thermo-energy stored within it will add some heat to the empty space, thus no other matter putted within should be able to reach -273,16 C, yet you can add more than one substance and get all of them cooled down to -273,16.

And you -273,16 is "absolute zero"

Cold does not spread, it only absorb heat.
Heat do however spread.

If I put an iron bar in the refrigerator and 10 minutes later take it out it will feel cold because the heat from my hand will conduct into it.

If the iron bar is hot however the energy will conduct into me.

Heat is as you know energy, and cold is the opposite, in other words not.

The universe does not stop when a particle has no thermo-energy left, the particle just stops moving, by just adding a fraction heat to it it will start moving again.

And there is no such thing as infinity heat either, why? Because after a particle reaches a certain level of thermo-energy it will shatter, this kids are called plasma.

Universe will freeza, lol, I though most of the members here were at least in their teen's. Or possible they might have been affected by old sci-fi.

And people already negged me 3 times for this, which is the truth.

I'm among the best students in my class in physic's, and today I even asked my teacher regarding this and guess what? - I was correct!

[Comic Book Guy]

Reznor is the other physics major here. Id also has some rudimentary knowledge on the subject as well.

*remembers their debate over absolute zero about a year ago*

[Sasori]

Yes, but in a area which there are no particles, in other words vacuum, you can manipulate a energy absorbing field, which will cool down matter putten into the area to -273,16 C.
When the matter have released the thermo-energy stored within it will add some heat to the empty space, thus no other matter putted within should be able to reach -273,16 C, yet you can add more than one substance and get all of them cooled down to -273,16.

And you -273,16 is "absolute zero"

Cold does not spread, it only absorb heat.
Heat do however spread.

If I put an iron bar in the refrigerator and 10 minutes later take it out it will feel cold because the heat from my hand will conduct into it.

If the iron bar is hot however the energy will conduct into me.

Heat is as you know energy, and cold is the opposite, in other words not.

The universe does not stop when a particle has no thermo-energy left, the particle just stops moving, by just adding a fraction heat to it it will start moving again.

And there is no such thing as infinity heat either, why? Because after a particle reaches a certain level of thermo-energy it will shatter, this kids are called plasma.

Universe will freeza, lol, I though most of the members here were at least in their teen's. Or possible they might have been affected by old sci-fi.

And people already negged me 3 times for this, which is the truth.

I'm among the best students in my class in physic's, and today I even asked my teacher regarding this and guess what? - I was correct!Makes sense. Good work.

Unless Rez disputes this lol

[Gunners]

Nah he is correct.

I still think Iceman will lose this match if he is not at his full potential as reforming himself will harm him. It doesn't really phaise Ace ( though he could have advanced himself from the last I read of him, Iceman that is).

[Elyon]

I'd have to say Ace could take this...it depends on how long he can draw out the battle.

And whether or not either can actually damage the other. Bobby can reach Absolute Zero, but Ace can burn as hot as the sun. Or at least make a miniature sun. Unless Bobby concentrates as hard as he can, i'm pretty sure there's no possible way for him to stay at Absolute Zero in the presence of the heat. Sicne Ace's powers (theoretically) have no limit, he can just sit there letting Bobby absorb everything.

FYI, Ace can also turn his body into fire.

For every time Bobby tries to freeze Ace, Ace can burn Bobby. It's basically a tie. No real winner.

[Dark Evangel]

What if this is a full potential Iceman?

[Id]

Reznor is the other physics major here. Id also has some rudimentary knowledge on the subject as well.

*remembers their debate over absolute zero about a year ago*

God that was like a 4 page debate on, Cumus “Aurora Execution” (absolute zero) would work on Buu.

Me and Reznor no longer speak to each other since then.:can

[Reznor]

God that was like a 4 page debate on, Cumus “Aurora Execution” (absolute zero) would work on Buu. I remember that XD

Me and Reznor no longer speak to each other since then.:can*speaks to Id*